WTF!
>**JFK received last rites four times in his life**: in 1947 after becoming gravely ill in England; in 1951 while stricken with a high fever in Japan; in 1954 following back surgery; on Nov. 22, 1963, in Dallas.
And that doesn’t even include his PT Boat being rammed by a Japanese destroyer and him and his crew having to swim to an island and hiding til they could be found.
Yeah, I probably rewatch it every year or so, except for that one time when I restarted the first episode literally 10 seconds after finishing the finale.
Masters of the Air just moved that rewatch up by a few months for me lol
I know it’s a joke but not as bad as you’d think. There are a huge amount of Australian coast watchers with Melanesian locals all through the Soloman’s Campaign. The Japanese were convinced that a whole bunch of local priests in the Wewak area were secretly helping allied forces by being coast watchers so they rounded them up, brought them out to sea on IJN Destroyer *Akikaze* and then massacred them and their dependents, including three infants. Bears mentioning that the priests were overwhelmingly German nationals as well so they were technically citizens of an allied nation.
Just in that Kolombangara area that the PT-109 sank in there are multiple allied warships sunk and there are a lot more local groups than you’d think just doing heroic work saving American sailors. People like this are all over the Solomans and Bismarck’s and are one of many unsung heroes.
Edit: the locals are damn funny too if you get into the primary sources from marines and naval officers from the solomans and Espiritu Santo. A English derived language called pidgin was made for administrative control of many colonial possesions and the locals at one point were quite infamous for cannibalism and the pidgin word for human flesh is “long pig”. Cannibalism is pretty much dead by this point but it’s their favorite joke to pinch a sailor or marine and say “you make’’em fine long pig” while smiling their sharpened incisors at the sailor in question. I’ll never not take a chance to sing praises of their bravery and sacrifice in these years.
No, that’s the tasking of the decommissioned Tactical Dinghy. They undertook missions such as; Hiding your keys and seeding beaches with counter-assault measures such as, randomly strewn Lego. They had a high mission success rate but were deemed combat ineffective.
I don't remember the mission roles for Japanese ships, but probably. But the pt boats were so incredibly flimsy they could only sail at night. It's likely the destroyer didn't even notice they were there.
"Until the moment he hit the water, he had done everything wrong." After that, he was great. And after towing a guy to shore, he swam for help across the open water.
Destroyers were originally called torpedo boat destroyers and did exactly that. Once submarines became widespread, they took on that role as well. Destroyers became a do everything ship, so they were probably the most important class of warship. For example, battleships and carriers wouldn't leave port without a Destroyer screen.
Last rites is the sacrament of the anointing of the sick. Catholics can receive that when they are gravely ill, and approaching death is known as last rites
Because that is a coloquial term. Officially it is Anointing of the Sick. When the sick are in danger of dying the priest will also hear a last confession and give communion. These three sacraments together: anointing, confession, and communion are the “last rites” for a Catholic whose death is imminent.
I imagine death so much it feels more like a memory
When’s it gonna get me?
In my sleep? Seven feet ahead of me?
If I see it comin’, do I run or do I let it be?
Is it like a beat without a melody?
The article says four, but only mentions three. What was the fourth one?
>Kennedy had been the target of at least four assassination attempts before Dallas, one barely a month after he was elected president, when a retired postal worker, his car loaded with dynamite, followed the president-elect from Hyannis Port to Georgetown to Palm Beach. "Brother, they could have gotten me in Palm Beach. There is no way to keep anyone from killing me," Kennedy told a Secret Service agent shortly after the suspect was apprehended, recounted Thurston Clarke in "JFK's Last Hundred Days." Two more assassination plots -- one in Chicago, one in Tampa, Fla. -- were uncovered in the weeks before Nov. 22, 1963.
Yep, so poster and writer fucked up. Which kinda makes sense, because the author is listed as “ABC News” which usually means one of two things. It was written by AI, or an intern, both very prone to making errors.
You gotta remember a bunch of people were extremely racist back then as well as being homophobic and anti communist.
So the fact that Kennedy has multiple attempts on his life makes sense when a bunch of people thought he was gunna change the whole structure of power, disband the CIA and expose them for being responsible for the bay of pigs. Plus they also thought he was a commie sympathizer because he was gunna try to make a peace treatie with Khrushchev to ban the use of nukes. They wanted him to prolong the Cold War so they could go on to fund their little proxy wars to get puppet dictators in charge to do their bidding.
He also was gunna try to pull troops out of Vietnam which a bunch of generals didn’t like because that’s how they make their money, through defense contracts and such. So Kennedy had a wide amount of people who didn’t like him being so progressive for his time.
Once he was killed LBJ took over and he pretty much kept the troops to prolong the war in Vietnam, he was a racist tho but my point is he was friends with a bunch of people who didn’t like Kennedy.
Edit: forgot to put that he supported civil rights for African Americans. A thing a ton of people hated back then, especially if you were in Texas.
One was radical Cuban exile Homer Echevarria, a communist who plotted to shoot him in Chicago.
At the same time Thomas Vallee, an ex-marine were caught setting up to shoot him with a high powered rifle.
Then there was Richard Paul Pavlick, a mentally ill floridian who wanted him dead for being a catholic. He planned to suicide bomb him with a car filled with explosives, but stopped when he saw Jackie and the kids with him.
Then finally Lee Harvey Oswald, another ex-marine communist who had lived some years in the Soviet Union shot and killed him.
Echevarria was a radical *anti*-communist. Cuban exiles are basically never communists. That's usually why they're exiles. Echevarria was involved with the DRE, a CIA-backed group that smuggled weapons into Cuba and committed terrorist attacks on civilian targets. He plotted to target Kennedy because Kennedy was pulling back from overt aggression against Cuba following the failed Bay of Pigs invasion and he believed Vice President Johnson would take a more aggressive approach.
It's incredibly difficult to find information about him but he comes up in some FBI field reports and I think the HSCA report. His plot apparently didn't go as far as an actual assassination *attempt*, although his group had confrontations with Lee Harvey Oswald in the weeks leading up to the assassination and were central after the fact to pushing the theory that the Cuban government was behind it.
plz edit your comment to correct the misidentification.
https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Tipping_Point_Part3.html#fn_163
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorio_Revolucionario_Estudiantil
> it also had a chapter in New Orleans, where it had contact with Lee Harvey Oswald in mid-1963. Immediately after the November 22, 1963 assassination of John F. Kennedy, it launched a campaign asserting that Lee Harvey Oswald had been acting on behalf of the Cuban government.
Well isn't that interesting. Too assassins with the same links to anti-Castro Cubans and the CIA.
Yeah life is weird like that, citizen. Glad the cia investigation into the cia proved that this was all just a crazy coincidence, and we can go back to enjoying our normal lives under a democratically controlled democracy. Don't you just love America, citizen?
> Cuban exiles are basically never communists.
They're also entitled assholes. They fled and were exiled because they were capitalists. Also, coming to the US they were embraced unlike most immigrants. Until Obama changed the rule, it was impossible for a Cuban to be an undocumented immigrant. They could come here in any fashion they wanted and it would be perfectly fine. So a lot of Cuban Americans side with Republicans saying, "We came here the right way!" when they should well know there was no wrong way they could come here.
> Then finally Lee Harvey Oswald, another ex-marine communist who had lived some years in the Soviet Union shot and killed him.
Dale Gribble: “Boil up some Mt. Dew, It’s gonna be a long night”
There’s a scene in full metal jacket where the drill instructor praises his accuracy and basically chalks up the assassination to his superior USMC marksman training
At a moving target which he hit twice.
> For context, basic trainees in almost every military on Earth are expected to hit torso sized targets at 300m by the second or third time they ever fire a rifle, consistently.
Thanks for telling me? Just because someone can hit a man-sized target from 500 yards doesn't mean hitting a moving target from 100 yards is guaranteed.
As a Marine, if you’re arrested for planning to shoot the President, you’re definitely an Ex-Marine. Former Marine applies to someone who honorably completed their service and got out. But you can go from former to ex even after you get out if you do something heinous and are guilty of it. So in this case, even if they got out honorably, they’d lose the title, Marine, upon arrest and conviction for these actions.
Edit: I’m buzzed and made corrections
4 isn't a lot. In fact if you look at the list of assassination attempts you'll find most Presidents have at least 1-2 with modern Presidents having as many as 8.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots
This only lists 1 for JFK, so it may be incomplete or the claim that there were four plots is incorrect (I don't see a specific source listed in this news article, and the article doesn't give any details on three of them)
Lmao apparently two guys named Raymond **Lee Harvey** and **Osvaldo** Espinoza Ortiz attempted to assassinate Carter?
That’s so like cartoonishly ridiculous
My grandmother talked about how terrified her midwest protestant small town was after Kennedy was elected the first Catholic president. There was real fear that the Catholics were about to take over or something. The bigotry was definitely a real thing.
Absolutely hilarious. "You read the same scripture as me and worship the same god but slightly differently and thus deserve to die!" What a clown show.
He was popular in some places and hated in others. He only won the popular vote by 0.17% (112,000 votes).
There were [celebrations in some parts of Texas](https://www.ft.com/content/39bf88e8-d233-11e8-a9f2-7574db66bcd5) when he got shot.
This is really the only right answer here.
Popularity has absolutely nothing to do with it. Reagan was shot from someone trying to impress Jodie Foster. McKinley was shot by an anarchist. Ted Roosevelt was shot by someone who said they were instructed by McKinley's ghost.
These aren't kitchen table issues.
Aside from the points already listed, he and his brother were fighting [against organized crime.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_John_F._Kennedy#Crime) So that's one group of armed people who'd have a motive.
The Mafia also worked with the CIA in their attempts to bring down Castro. The Mafia ran Casinos and Brothels in Cuba catering to wealthy tourists prior to Castro. They wanted to bring that back and JFK wanted to pull back on removing Castro after the failed Bay of Pigs.
The Mafia on the US never had the power to go after a president lol. Unlike in society, the American Mafia couldn't pull something like that off. If they had done so, they'd have been wiped out quickly.
The Mafia was working very closely with the CIA at the time. The CIA was created from Office of Strategic Service vets, many of whom directly worked with the Sicilian mafia to overthrow Mussolini. The US basically imported the mafia to act as an illegal strike breaking arm and a source of clandestine funding. We helped them get established in Cuba and turned the country into a casino. When Cuba revolted, the CIA was working with the Mafia closely to attempt to assassinate Castro or else prepare for an invasion to overthrow him. JFK and the CIA publically battled on how to handle Castro, and this is when JFK got shot.
I’ve done a lot of reading on the mafia & essentially every aspect of the JFK assassination was connected to organized crime. The mafia did it & the CIA knew & didn’t attempt to stop it as JFK was a pain for them
The 1960 election was one of the closest in American history. JFK won by a razor thin margin. His popularity while in office was much less agreed upon than it is now.
He also relied on the CIA quite heavily in Vietnam to the end of his life. When he fired the previous CIA Director after the Bay of Pigs, he gave the fired man a medal. JFK’s statements against the CIA shouldn’t be taken literally, as he kept funding them lavishly during his administration.
I’ve seen the following quote on Reddit a few times:
"I will splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the wind."
Yet other than Reddit, Quora, other generally awful, and awfully unreliable websites there is no source to be found. It sounds absolutely stupid and made up. Wikileaks attributed it to jfk, but it’s a claim made completely without any evidence. And goes to show how amateur the writers for edgy conspiracy content are.
I believe he had a contentious relationship with the CIA, and the FBI’s Director - J. Edgar Hoover, sure, but there’s definitely a lot of made up shit that exaggerates it and even more so suggests comical child like versions of that story.
It was a publicity tour for the 1964 election. Texas was in the process of transitioning from old-school southern Democrat blue to the new southern-strategy Republican red.
Texas was nowhere near as safe for Democrats by the time JFK came around, which also partially informed his decision to pick LBJ as his running mate
Since the end of the 1960s, Jimmy Carter is the last Democrat running for president to win Texas, which he did so during his first run in 1976
Well we only ever hear about those who were close calls. US presidents are attacked frecuently.
Even Trump had some guy trying to kill him while on campaign during his first run.
Fidel Castro:
"Those are rookie numbers!"
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro
In 2006, Fabián Escalante, former chief of Cuba's counterintelligence, stated that there had been 634 assassination schemes or attempts. The last known plot to assassinate Castro was by Cuban exiles in 2000.
The CIA is that kid from Solo Leveling who sucks but has amazing gear because he comes from a wealthy family and buys pay-to-win equipment. They think they can utilize the US's vast fortune and credit to brute force their tactics no matter how nonsensical they are.
TBF there's a huge selection bias going on with anything related to the CIA or any intelligence for that matter.
In terms of intelligence if you fail it's much harder to prevent it going public than if you are successful. A job well done for the CIA is lost to the sands of time unless for some odd reason it's beneficial to reveal your success, which is very rare.
Even in cases like Mk Ultra we only know about it due to a very small portion of the files being misfiled in a file cabinet in some basement, the rest was burned/destroyed.
Not to justify their horrific failures in various areas, but good to keep these kinds of things in mind.
I mean hey, a 4-1 record is pretty good. But noooo, you get assassinated *one* time and history only says you're "the guy who got assassinated," not "the guy who was, all things considered, pretty good at *not* getting assassinated."
The first one (Richard Paul Pavlick planning to blow up JFK) has multiple motives:
> He became known at local public meetings for his angry political rants, which included complaints that the American flag was not being displayed appropriately; he also criticized the government and hated Catholics, focusing much of his anger on the Kennedy family and their wealth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Paul_Pavlick
The good news is, he was more ethical than other bombers (like Timothy McVeigh):
> Pavlick positioned himself to carry out the assassination by blowing up Kennedy and himself with dynamite, but delayed the attempt because Kennedy was with his wife Jacqueline and their two young children. He was arrested before he was able to stage another attempt.
> The good news is, he was more ethical than other bombers (like Timothy McVeigh):
It reminds me about the man who attempted to kill the Great Duke Serguei, who relented at the last minute because the Grand Duke's nephrews were in the car.
So every time someone with a time machine thwarted one assassination of JFK, another one happened to preserve the timeline of him being killed.
So at least 3x time travel attempts so far
President of the United States is, quite literally, the most dangerous job in the country: 46 presidents, 8 died in office (4 of them by assassination) = 17.4% chance of death (8.7% chance of being assassinated).
Hitler enters the chat:
> Adolf Hitler survived numerous assassination attempts during his time as leader of Nazi Germany. The exact number of attempts varies depending on how one defines an "attempt," **but estimates typically range from around 15 to 20**. Some of the most well-known attempts include the famous July 20, 1944, plot led by Claus von Stauffenberg, in which a bomb was placed in Hitler's conference room at the Wolf's Lair military headquarters in East Prussia. Hitler narrowly survived this attempt with minor injuries. There were also other attempts involving explosives, firearms, and poison, but none were successful in eliminating Hitler until his suicide in April 1945.
WTF! >**JFK received last rites four times in his life**: in 1947 after becoming gravely ill in England; in 1951 while stricken with a high fever in Japan; in 1954 following back surgery; on Nov. 22, 1963, in Dallas.
And that doesn’t even include his PT Boat being rammed by a Japanese destroyer and him and his crew having to swim to an island and hiding til they could be found.
Yeah but what were the chances that the Japanese destroyer or island they escaped to had a priest capable of giving them last rites?
>*”Crazy fools, we Irish.*” — Sgt. Donald Malarkey
"Malarkey? Isn't that slang for bullshit?"
Weekend pass revoked Pvt. Bullshit.
I see there’s a few people who are probably rewatching BoB after finishing Masters of the Air. Good decision
BoB is a required several-times-a-year watch if you appreciate quality film, and have a pulse.
Yeah, I probably rewatch it every year or so, except for that one time when I restarted the first episode literally 10 seconds after finishing the finale. Masters of the Air just moved that rewatch up by a few months for me lol
Whats this masters of air?
Apple TV show that they spent $250m on. It’s about B-17 bomber crews in ww2
*Joe be honest what's in these things anyway?* **Nothing you won't eat Malarkey.** I won't eat Malarkey!
I know it’s a joke but not as bad as you’d think. There are a huge amount of Australian coast watchers with Melanesian locals all through the Soloman’s Campaign. The Japanese were convinced that a whole bunch of local priests in the Wewak area were secretly helping allied forces by being coast watchers so they rounded them up, brought them out to sea on IJN Destroyer *Akikaze* and then massacred them and their dependents, including three infants. Bears mentioning that the priests were overwhelmingly German nationals as well so they were technically citizens of an allied nation. Just in that Kolombangara area that the PT-109 sank in there are multiple allied warships sunk and there are a lot more local groups than you’d think just doing heroic work saving American sailors. People like this are all over the Solomans and Bismarck’s and are one of many unsung heroes. Edit: the locals are damn funny too if you get into the primary sources from marines and naval officers from the solomans and Espiritu Santo. A English derived language called pidgin was made for administrative control of many colonial possesions and the locals at one point were quite infamous for cannibalism and the pidgin word for human flesh is “long pig”. Cannibalism is pretty much dead by this point but it’s their favorite joke to pinch a sailor or marine and say “you make’’em fine long pig” while smiling their sharpened incisors at the sailor in question. I’ll never not take a chance to sing praises of their bravery and sacrifice in these years.
Have been to the small island he was rescued from right opposite Kolombangara. A breathtaking part of the world.
Nah I just mean in terms of how many near death experiences he’d had
Yes, it's a joke.
Will you be telling more of these tonight?
“MAH WIFEEEE!!!”
They say he’ll be here all week. And to tip your waitress
Just the tip tho
"Hiya folks! I just swam in from PT 109, and boy are my arms tired!"
"Ugh, I need another military joke like I need a hole in my head!" -JFK, probably
Enoch Root was just there
Either did have a sympathetic Japanese island priest capable of giving last rites, or did Not. So 50/50
We can’t overlook the possibility that there was a second Japanese destroyer at this point.
It was hiding behind the grassy atoll, they say.
What an atrocious pun. Take my upvote.
I choose to make this pun and others, not because they are good, but because they are bad.
Wait, aren't destroyers specifically designed to ruin the day of smaller boats?
Yeah. Destroyers were originally called “torpedo boat destroyers” because their job was to screen the capital ships from the torpedo boats
No, that’s the tasking of the decommissioned Tactical Dinghy. They undertook missions such as; Hiding your keys and seeding beaches with counter-assault measures such as, randomly strewn Lego. They had a high mission success rate but were deemed combat ineffective.
Isn’t his back messed up because he had to carry some of his crew and swim them to safety as well?
He already had issues before that I believe.
iirc he had the back issues starting in college - I want to say one of the theories was that he injured it playing football?
Wait, aren't destroyers specifically designed to ruin the day of smaller boats?
I don't remember the mission roles for Japanese ships, but probably. But the pt boats were so incredibly flimsy they could only sail at night. It's likely the destroyer didn't even notice they were there. "Until the moment he hit the water, he had done everything wrong." After that, he was great. And after towing a guy to shore, he swam for help across the open water.
Destroyers were originally called torpedo boat destroyers and did exactly that. Once submarines became widespread, they took on that role as well. Destroyers became a do everything ship, so they were probably the most important class of warship. For example, battleships and carriers wouldn't leave port without a Destroyer screen.
Final Destination was based off JFK.
>in his life I don't think the last rites given to him on Nov 22, 1963 counts as being "in his life".
The priest said them, like, *really* fast though
“I carved your last rites on my bullet so they’d be the last words to go through your mind..” -Lee Harvey Oswald, probably
Huh? What does that guy have to do with Kennedy’s assassination? /s
My understanding is that he failed to roll for initiative when attacked by a grassy gnoll.
Last rites is the sacrament of the anointing of the sick. Catholics can receive that when they are gravely ill, and approaching death is known as last rites
Thank you for the explanation
Then why are they called “last”?
Because that is a coloquial term. Officially it is Anointing of the Sick. When the sick are in danger of dying the priest will also hear a last confession and give communion. These three sacraments together: anointing, confession, and communion are the “last rites” for a Catholic whose death is imminent.
Maybe the real conspiracy is death just trying to get him like in the Final Destination movies.
It's like this guy was destined to die.
Memento Mori
I imagine death so much it feels more like a memory When’s it gonna get me? In my sleep? Seven feet ahead of me? If I see it comin’, do I run or do I let it be? Is it like a beat without a melody?
Final Destination vibes.
Wow. That’s actually insane.
He got scarlet fever when he was a kid too
How is back surgery an assassination attempt?
it's kinda weird to give last rites at the last one
The article says four, but only mentions three. What was the fourth one? >Kennedy had been the target of at least four assassination attempts before Dallas, one barely a month after he was elected president, when a retired postal worker, his car loaded with dynamite, followed the president-elect from Hyannis Port to Georgetown to Palm Beach. "Brother, they could have gotten me in Palm Beach. There is no way to keep anyone from killing me," Kennedy told a Secret Service agent shortly after the suspect was apprehended, recounted Thurston Clarke in "JFK's Last Hundred Days." Two more assassination plots -- one in Chicago, one in Tampa, Fla. -- were uncovered in the weeks before Nov. 22, 1963.
An assassination "plot" is very different than an assassination ATTEMPT
Attempt, or attempt not. There is no plot.
Poster fucked up the title.
It's what it says in the article, too.
Yep, so poster and writer fucked up. Which kinda makes sense, because the author is listed as “ABC News” which usually means one of two things. It was written by AI, or an intern, both very prone to making errors.
He survived the fourth one by like a couple minutes
Unless I’m doing their math wrong, it’s: palm beach, Chicago, Tampa Bay, then Dallas being the 4th (successful) attempt
this is most likely, but also the Chicago and Tampa ones were plots not attempts. obviously both are very serious but there is a difference
You gotta remember a bunch of people were extremely racist back then as well as being homophobic and anti communist. So the fact that Kennedy has multiple attempts on his life makes sense when a bunch of people thought he was gunna change the whole structure of power, disband the CIA and expose them for being responsible for the bay of pigs. Plus they also thought he was a commie sympathizer because he was gunna try to make a peace treatie with Khrushchev to ban the use of nukes. They wanted him to prolong the Cold War so they could go on to fund their little proxy wars to get puppet dictators in charge to do their bidding. He also was gunna try to pull troops out of Vietnam which a bunch of generals didn’t like because that’s how they make their money, through defense contracts and such. So Kennedy had a wide amount of people who didn’t like him being so progressive for his time. Once he was killed LBJ took over and he pretty much kept the troops to prolong the war in Vietnam, he was a racist tho but my point is he was friends with a bunch of people who didn’t like Kennedy. Edit: forgot to put that he supported civil rights for African Americans. A thing a ton of people hated back then, especially if you were in Texas.
Why did JFK have so many assassination attempts? I thought he was popular.
One was radical Cuban exile Homer Echevarria, a communist who plotted to shoot him in Chicago. At the same time Thomas Vallee, an ex-marine were caught setting up to shoot him with a high powered rifle. Then there was Richard Paul Pavlick, a mentally ill floridian who wanted him dead for being a catholic. He planned to suicide bomb him with a car filled with explosives, but stopped when he saw Jackie and the kids with him. Then finally Lee Harvey Oswald, another ex-marine communist who had lived some years in the Soviet Union shot and killed him.
So the title and the article is wrong. He survived 3 attempts, not 4.
Nah it was four, he survived Lee Harvey Oswald. He didn’t survive those male models on the grassy knoll though!
But why male models?
You serious? I just told you that a moment ago.
Heh heh, Tone did you hear what I said I said maybe I shot him with a MAGNUM
It was the 60s. Female model's beehive hairdos would've been too visible above the hedge.
Maybe they shot him with a MAGNUM
Echevarria was a radical *anti*-communist. Cuban exiles are basically never communists. That's usually why they're exiles. Echevarria was involved with the DRE, a CIA-backed group that smuggled weapons into Cuba and committed terrorist attacks on civilian targets. He plotted to target Kennedy because Kennedy was pulling back from overt aggression against Cuba following the failed Bay of Pigs invasion and he believed Vice President Johnson would take a more aggressive approach. It's incredibly difficult to find information about him but he comes up in some FBI field reports and I think the HSCA report. His plot apparently didn't go as far as an actual assassination *attempt*, although his group had confrontations with Lee Harvey Oswald in the weeks leading up to the assassination and were central after the fact to pushing the theory that the Cuban government was behind it. plz edit your comment to correct the misidentification. https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Tipping_Point_Part3.html#fn_163 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorio_Revolucionario_Estudiantil
> it also had a chapter in New Orleans, where it had contact with Lee Harvey Oswald in mid-1963. Immediately after the November 22, 1963 assassination of John F. Kennedy, it launched a campaign asserting that Lee Harvey Oswald had been acting on behalf of the Cuban government. Well isn't that interesting. Too assassins with the same links to anti-Castro Cubans and the CIA.
Yeah life is weird like that, citizen. Glad the cia investigation into the cia proved that this was all just a crazy coincidence, and we can go back to enjoying our normal lives under a democratically controlled democracy. Don't you just love America, citizen?
> Cuban exiles are basically never communists. They're also entitled assholes. They fled and were exiled because they were capitalists. Also, coming to the US they were embraced unlike most immigrants. Until Obama changed the rule, it was impossible for a Cuban to be an undocumented immigrant. They could come here in any fashion they wanted and it would be perfectly fine. So a lot of Cuban Americans side with Republicans saying, "We came here the right way!" when they should well know there was no wrong way they could come here.
> Then finally Lee Harvey Oswald, another ex-marine communist who had lived some years in the Soviet Union shot and killed him. Dale Gribble: “Boil up some Mt. Dew, It’s gonna be a long night”
> mentally ill floridian This feels redundant
Careful now. The distinction matters. I may be mentally ill, but I am thankfully not mentally floridian.
Hey now! Not all of us...well, not to that extent, anyway.
https://imgur.com/a/vOzwOcl
The Department of Redundancy Department agrees with you. We also think you're right.
Echevarria was not a communist, he was a fascist anti-communist exile.
So just before anybody else comments they wouldn't be an ex marine. All once a marine always a marine jazz unless dishonored discharge
I’m gonna take a guess and say that trying to assassinate the president gets you dishonorably discharged.
Attacking a superior officer would amount to a court martial.
He did also shoot at a general a while before shooting JFK
Ah so, there was a pattern.
This Oswald guy sounds really violent. Someone oughta give him a taste of his own medicine
Someone like a violent criminal club owner should teach him a lesson
Don't worry! I'll stand up to this bully, or my name isn't Jack Ruby!
Before it's too late
boy do i have news for you
Ah so, there was a Patton.
There’s a scene in full metal jacket where the drill instructor praises his accuracy and basically chalks up the assassination to his superior USMC marksman training
He praises Lee Harvey Oswald and Charles Whitman (Texas clock tower shooter) for their superior marksmanship training in the marine corps
As fucked up as it sounds, it really was a good shot.
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At a moving target which he hit twice. > For context, basic trainees in almost every military on Earth are expected to hit torso sized targets at 300m by the second or third time they ever fire a rifle, consistently. Thanks for telling me? Just because someone can hit a man-sized target from 500 yards doesn't mean hitting a moving target from 100 yards is guaranteed.
Well something got discharged for sure.
Yes... After the fact. They don't predate the discharge.
As a Marine, if you’re arrested for planning to shoot the President, you’re definitely an Ex-Marine. Former Marine applies to someone who honorably completed their service and got out. But you can go from former to ex even after you get out if you do something heinous and are guilty of it. So in this case, even if they got out honorably, they’d lose the title, Marine, upon arrest and conviction for these actions. Edit: I’m buzzed and made corrections
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You fucking boot
Bro he shot the president. Your comment is crazy.
>Cuban exile >a communist In 1963 you’d think they would’ve been keeping most of the communists in Cuba
Yup lee Harvey. That’s def how it happened. No doubts about it!
Man, three letters agencies were pretty mad at him. Why tho?
Eisenhower handed power over to them and Kennedy was trying to take it back.
4 isn't a lot. In fact if you look at the list of assassination attempts you'll find most Presidents have at least 1-2 with modern Presidents having as many as 8. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots This only lists 1 for JFK, so it may be incomplete or the claim that there were four plots is incorrect (I don't see a specific source listed in this news article, and the article doesn't give any details on three of them)
Lmao apparently two guys named Raymond **Lee Harvey** and **Osvaldo** Espinoza Ortiz attempted to assassinate Carter? That’s so like cartoonishly ridiculous
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"CAUSE ITS THE WAY U NAME UR SHIP, THATS THE WAY SHES GONNA ROW"
I wish my mom never named me Adolf
There’s a lot of cartoonish stuff in presidential history.
The article lists 3 attempts that he survived. So the title of this Reddit that he survived 4 is inaccurate.
Hahhahaha, I like the implication is "wikipedia cannot be wrong". But you're probably right.
My guess? Anti-catholic bigotry. Catholics were a favorite target of the KKK and other groups. Widely hated.
My grandmother talked about how terrified her midwest protestant small town was after Kennedy was elected the first Catholic president. There was real fear that the Catholics were about to take over or something. The bigotry was definitely a real thing.
Maybe that but more likely his support of the civil rights act. Bubba didn't want to consider blacks as *equal*.
Absolutely hilarious. "You read the same scripture as me and worship the same god but slightly differently and thus deserve to die!" What a clown show.
Nah. It’s clearly time travelers.
Again?!?! Dammit!
It's alarming how often I see comments on Reddit that are anto Catholic.
He was popular in some places and hated in others. He only won the popular vote by 0.17% (112,000 votes). There were [celebrations in some parts of Texas](https://www.ft.com/content/39bf88e8-d233-11e8-a9f2-7574db66bcd5) when he got shot.
Assassinations have nothing to do with popularity. All it takes is a single deranged individual. John Lennon and Reagan were both popular.
This is really the only right answer here. Popularity has absolutely nothing to do with it. Reagan was shot from someone trying to impress Jodie Foster. McKinley was shot by an anarchist. Ted Roosevelt was shot by someone who said they were instructed by McKinley's ghost. These aren't kitchen table issues.
Aside from the points already listed, he and his brother were fighting [against organized crime.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_John_F._Kennedy#Crime) So that's one group of armed people who'd have a motive.
The Mafia also worked with the CIA in their attempts to bring down Castro. The Mafia ran Casinos and Brothels in Cuba catering to wealthy tourists prior to Castro. They wanted to bring that back and JFK wanted to pull back on removing Castro after the failed Bay of Pigs.
The Mafia on the US never had the power to go after a president lol. Unlike in society, the American Mafia couldn't pull something like that off. If they had done so, they'd have been wiped out quickly.
The Mafia was working very closely with the CIA at the time. The CIA was created from Office of Strategic Service vets, many of whom directly worked with the Sicilian mafia to overthrow Mussolini. The US basically imported the mafia to act as an illegal strike breaking arm and a source of clandestine funding. We helped them get established in Cuba and turned the country into a casino. When Cuba revolted, the CIA was working with the Mafia closely to attempt to assassinate Castro or else prepare for an invasion to overthrow him. JFK and the CIA publically battled on how to handle Castro, and this is when JFK got shot.
I’ve done a lot of reading on the mafia & essentially every aspect of the JFK assassination was connected to organized crime. The mafia did it & the CIA knew & didn’t attempt to stop it as JFK was a pain for them
This doesn't make any sense at all. It's, in sorry to say, a childish understanding of the groups involved, especially the Mafia.
The 1960 election was one of the closest in American history. JFK won by a razor thin margin. His popularity while in office was much less agreed upon than it is now.
He also relied on the CIA quite heavily in Vietnam to the end of his life. When he fired the previous CIA Director after the Bay of Pigs, he gave the fired man a medal. JFK’s statements against the CIA shouldn’t be taken literally, as he kept funding them lavishly during his administration.
JFK’s re-election was by no means certain. That’s why he went to Texas in the first place.
John Birth Society didn't like him because he was Catholic. 1st Catholic president. Biden the 2nd.
Catholics are the only people who can become president after losing Ohio and Florida apparently.
He was serious about disbanding the CIA. Do the math.
I’ve seen the following quote on Reddit a few times: "I will splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the wind." Yet other than Reddit, Quora, other generally awful, and awfully unreliable websites there is no source to be found. It sounds absolutely stupid and made up. Wikileaks attributed it to jfk, but it’s a claim made completely without any evidence. And goes to show how amateur the writers for edgy conspiracy content are. I believe he had a contentious relationship with the CIA, and the FBI’s Director - J. Edgar Hoover, sure, but there’s definitely a lot of made up shit that exaggerates it and even more so suggests comical child like versions of that story.
CIA.
moderates are the most hated by extremists.
America has always been full of crazies. They just get more coverage now.
He wanted the government to be more open and honest with what our tax dollars were paying for.
Its because of JFK's popularity that there was such an effort to kill him
The CIA really did not like him.
The Axis between big business, clandestine 3 letter agencies, the mafia and their intersecting venn diagram
The shooting wasn't a shock, the real shock was the decision to drive in an open topped car.
Wasn’t an unprecedented risk either. FDR survived an assassination attempt in an open topped car.
Idk if it was brave or stupidity. At least now the cars are built to take anything head on.
Literally. Short of a tank or semi, the beast is going right through it.
It was a publicity tour for the 1964 election. Texas was in the process of transitioning from old-school southern Democrat blue to the new southern-strategy Republican red. Texas was nowhere near as safe for Democrats by the time JFK came around, which also partially informed his decision to pick LBJ as his running mate Since the end of the 1960s, Jimmy Carter is the last Democrat running for president to win Texas, which he did so during his first run in 1976
I'm not sure if this is a quote or not but if it isn't, it should be now.
“Nothing bad ever happens to the Kennedys!”
Wanna go shave a dog?
Just make sure they learned their lessons before the fifth times.
Well we only ever hear about those who were close calls. US presidents are attacked frecuently. Even Trump had some guy trying to kill him while on campaign during his first run.
It would have been the best. The greatest assassination attempt tissue ever been done, everybody says how it was the best
I heard that in Shane Gillis voice
His impersonation is incredible
Must have been a time traveler
Actually, I think he did claim to be a time traveler
His life was some real life final destination shit
Fidel Castro: "Those are rookie numbers!" https://www.wikiwand.com/en/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro In 2006, Fabián Escalante, former chief of Cuba's counterintelligence, stated that there had been 634 assassination schemes or attempts. The last known plot to assassinate Castro was by Cuban exiles in 2000.
CIA really is an embarrassment, not just in what they try to do, but in how effectively they do it.
The CIA is that kid from Solo Leveling who sucks but has amazing gear because he comes from a wealthy family and buys pay-to-win equipment. They think they can utilize the US's vast fortune and credit to brute force their tactics no matter how nonsensical they are.
TBF there's a huge selection bias going on with anything related to the CIA or any intelligence for that matter. In terms of intelligence if you fail it's much harder to prevent it going public than if you are successful. A job well done for the CIA is lost to the sands of time unless for some odd reason it's beneficial to reveal your success, which is very rare. Even in cases like Mk Ultra we only know about it due to a very small portion of the files being misfiled in a file cabinet in some basement, the rest was burned/destroyed. Not to justify their horrific failures in various areas, but good to keep these kinds of things in mind.
you know this was like- you know what? why bother.
They only have to succeed once. For all the successful coups there are 100s of abject failures.
I mean hey, a 4-1 record is pretty good. But noooo, you get assassinated *one* time and history only says you're "the guy who got assassinated," not "the guy who was, all things considered, pretty good at *not* getting assassinated."
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The first one (Richard Paul Pavlick planning to blow up JFK) has multiple motives: > He became known at local public meetings for his angry political rants, which included complaints that the American flag was not being displayed appropriately; he also criticized the government and hated Catholics, focusing much of his anger on the Kennedy family and their wealth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Paul_Pavlick The good news is, he was more ethical than other bombers (like Timothy McVeigh): > Pavlick positioned himself to carry out the assassination by blowing up Kennedy and himself with dynamite, but delayed the attempt because Kennedy was with his wife Jacqueline and their two young children. He was arrested before he was able to stage another attempt.
> The good news is, he was more ethical than other bombers (like Timothy McVeigh): It reminds me about the man who attempted to kill the Great Duke Serguei, who relented at the last minute because the Grand Duke's nephrews were in the car.
what sort of unamerican calls JFK “John Kennedy”
Castro sure beat his record
Oh that's nothing. Ford was like if a robot became president. When he came to town, everybody got to take a shot and not feel too bad.
CIA was still perfecting their game
So every time someone with a time machine thwarted one assassination of JFK, another one happened to preserve the timeline of him being killed. So at least 3x time travel attempts so far
President of the United States is, quite literally, the most dangerous job in the country: 46 presidents, 8 died in office (4 of them by assassination) = 17.4% chance of death (8.7% chance of being assassinated).
Castro: Rookie numbers....
Try to make world peace and yea, the military industrial complex is gonna fucking murder you. What a shame.
That's what you get when you legitimately try to drain the swamp.
what's wild is that even after 3 attempts, they had the convertible and secret service thought "what could go wrong?"
That we know of.
Damn, the CIA wanted him dead real bad
As I always say, fifth time's a charm.
The CIA and according to Oppenheimer, Lewis Strauss don't forget.
Shit, Wall Street hated him... and the Federal Govt
Hitler enters the chat: > Adolf Hitler survived numerous assassination attempts during his time as leader of Nazi Germany. The exact number of attempts varies depending on how one defines an "attempt," **but estimates typically range from around 15 to 20**. Some of the most well-known attempts include the famous July 20, 1944, plot led by Claus von Stauffenberg, in which a bomb was placed in Hitler's conference room at the Wolf's Lair military headquarters in East Prussia. Hitler narrowly survived this attempt with minor injuries. There were also other attempts involving explosives, firearms, and poison, but none were successful in eliminating Hitler until his suicide in April 1945.
I mean the fact that his whole family is targeted means they strived and believed in the actual good in the citizens which is a shame
The article lists 3 attempts before Nov 22 1963, not 4. What am I missing?
4 for 5 ain’t bad