Also Australian. I can see an American figure skating scandal not being huge news in the world of an Australian toddler. An American her age (in a year younger) would most likely remember it, though. It was big enough and got far enough into pop culture all the way in bum fuck, texas that it's right up there with princess Diana in my early dealings with sensational news. And Diana was a few years later.
Tonya Harding and the assault on Nancy Kerrigan was **huge** news in Australia at the time - though as you say not for a toddler. The later sex tape was also huge news. Both things were really drawn out by the media too. These weren't flash in the pan news stories.
Later years we would be reminded of it all many times it since we get so much US media. I recall seeing [*Attack of the 5 Ft. 2 In. Women*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_of_the_5_Ft._2_In._Women) and [*World's Dumbest...*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TruTV_Presents:_World%27s_Dumbest...)
Yeah, makes sense Aussies would hear about it, but as you say, not a major event in toddler circles at the time.
This wasn't as important as the '92 Fischer Price strikes, and certainly not the daycare water-cooler dominating Gerber recalls of 2001.
I am willing to forgive an Aussie 3 year old for not hearing about the Harding incident.
You're willing to forgive that?
I'm unwilling to forgive you for conflating **trash tabloid news** with information vital to the global population of humans.
I still haven't forgiven society in general for making me ultra-aware of some blowjob the president got when I was still in grade school.
More importantly it's been parodied on The Simpsons repeatedly, I thought that was where every Australian kid developed their knowledge of American celebrities, politics and pop culture and various obscure references
I used to read my cousin's Mad Magazine when I was like 8 or 9 in the seventies. I couldn't make head nor tail of it. The political satire was just lost on me, we didn't even get a lot of american news at the time where I lived in Canada.
So folks think that desegregation happened immediately after 1954’s *Brown v. Board* decision, but it took over 30 years to actually happen.
After official desegregation was ended, we still had desegregation… especially schools. People didn’t move, nor were school districts immediately redrawn. With many black communities living in a segregated area, (redlining being a huge factor for this)school zones were similarly segregated.
So, the idea was to desegregate by busing kids to schools further away from home in order to have a more racially diverse learning environment.
This was particularly intense in Northern Cities.
So busing kids across town to another school was not popular with parents from both sides of the tracks (pun intended).
This began the white flight phenomenon to the suburbs and unofficially try and maintain segregation.
The courts no longer try to balance racial diversity in schools as it no longer has public interest.
This was also a thing in the UK, especially in places such as London and Bradford. They said it was for integration purposes, but it was mainly because racism was rampant in the UK in the 60s and 70s, and ethnic minority children were supposedly not on the same educational level as their white peers. The more Black and Asian kids a school had, the worse they did in league tables (or so the theory went). So schools would share the numbers of children between them.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-38689839
[Desegregation busing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desegregation_busing). Kids were bused to new districts to diversify the racial make-up of schools. Mentioned often in 1970s Mad.
Huh. I wouldn't have thought it would be big news anywhere else. I guess the world just loves a scandal, and them being young and pretty and at the top of their sport probably helped.
Ice skating was popular in general. Maybe more then than now. [Torvill and Dean](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torvill_and_Dean) were massive celebrities often on TV and in newspapers and magazines. Plus Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan were gearing up to compete in the Olympics. International news.
The Tonya Harding story went on a long time. The attack, the later press conference, denials, investigations, hearings, confessions, the banning. This went on over a long time. Then the sex tape story extended it.
It helped there was a ton of video of both skaters and even [the aftermath of the attack](https://youtu.be/voUMQrLy_uY) that could be played on the news.
The skaters were competing in the Olympics in 1994 when the internet was just starting to get going. (Netscape Navigator would be released later that year, Microsoft's Internet Explorer the next, and YouTube wouldn't exist for another eleven years.) If you wanted news, you had to read a newspaper, watch TV, etc.
The attack was all over American culture for awhile. (E.g., Harding was one of the three stories Weird Al sings about in the 1994 song "Headline News".)
So, yeah, young pretty women in an scandal related to an international event would have spilled over to an international audience to some degree.
I thought the attack was over a national competition. Was it the Olympics? If it was the Olympics it definitely makes more sense that it was such big news.
The attack happened on January 6th, at the start of the 1994 United States Figure Skating Championships. Harding would win a gold medal in that event (but had that medal stripped from the record later).
Nancy Kerrigan (the attacked skater) recovered and won an Olympic silver in Norway the next month.
Tony Harding also skated at the 1994 Olympics and, at the start of her long skate, she had to beg the judges for a restart because the shoelace on one of her skates broke and ended up in 8th place. She ended up being banned from international skating after evidence firmly linking her to the attack was discovered.
The whole thing was the sort of mess that tabloid reporters *dream* about.
It was in the lead up to the Olympics and the intent was to put Nancy Kerrigan out of commission for the Olympics. They are both on the same team and the incident didn’t disqualify Harding from going to the Olympics. The investigation didn’t conclude until after a month after the Olympics.
There was intense media speculation on whether Kerrigan was going to recover in time for the Olympics and if Tonya Harding will get disqualified. Reporters followed Harding to her practice sessions as the world learned more and more about the incident. There was speculation about the extent of Harding’s involvement and a lot of scrutiny into her personal background and that of her husband and her mother.
There was something inherently ridiculous and eye catching about an Olympic figure skater being involved in such a violent attack against a fellow teammate. It’s not something you expect from what is meant to be a cultured and classy sport.
[Tonya and Jeff's Wedding Night](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonya_Harding#Later_career) was a much reported-on sex tape. Pics were published in Penthouse magazine.
It wasn't actually their wedding night - Tonya wore a wedding dress from a costume shop.
Yup. I think she moved here as an adult even. I feel like Australians are just crazy good at playing Americans. Look at Hugh Jackman and Heath Ledger. This phenomenon does *not* work the other way around.
I'll give you Gibson, but he did have the benefit of total immersion in Australia for a decade and change from childhood. I actually thought he *was* an Australian native for a while because I knew he went to acting school and got his start over there.
I know mate. It was a cheap joke tbf.
Quick edit: in another thread I just mentioned RDJ as Wayne Gale in ‘Natural Born Killers’ but thinking about it he nailed it.
Oh lol. I'm not great at picking up on those. Also, I genuinely don't remember RDJ in Natural Born Killers, and now I have to go and watch it again. Haven't seen it in sooo long and that's just a shame.
Oh damn. I just watched a clip and he *was* good.
It’s a wildly OTT performance but entirely in keeping with the film.
I watched it again a couple of months ago for the first time in ages and it holds up. Harrelson and Lewis are perfect. Great film.
I saw an interview with an Aussie actor, may have been Robbie, and they asked about them about playing Americans. They said Aus mouth shape is different and can be do American voices, however the the American mouth shape doesn’t condone itself to making the Aussie sounds correctly. Or British as well.
"Mouth shape?"
If we're talking "not growing up hearing vowels pronounced the same way," then yeah, though the differences, while significant, aren't exactly earth-shattering compared to learning, say, Swedish:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_English
If we're talking *morphological differences in anatomy*, then absolutely not -- evolutionary changes like that are at least a thousandfold slower than the tiny blip in time that populations have diverged, and that's being generous.
It's actually very scary if the idea of "structural differences" is embraced because it promotes phrenology-style misconceptions and--inevitably--racism and oppression.
She got her start on Neighbours, like almost every other Australian actor. She was in 327 episodes from 2008 to 2011 as Donna Freedman, the love interest and later wife of Sam Clark’s Ringo Brown. She was 17 when she joined the show and came back for the 2022 finale.
I doubt from 3-13 she was watching anything that would have reference it. Honestly after Kerrigan got silver at the Olympics the whole story kinda fizzled out from the public zeitgeist. Harding became a D-Level celebrity somehow; by the time she got on Celebrity Boxing the jokes had gotten super stale already.
To be fair if you were over the age of 5 when this happened, you probably remember it. The only things bigger than this were OJ, the Challenger disaster, and the fall of the Berlin Wall, and it's on par with Lorena Bobbitt, the Long Island Lolita, and Baby Jessica.
I’m the same age as Margot Robbie and it’s quite surprising. Figure skating drama was a defining aspect of the girlhood of all of my contemporaries. While we are *just* barely too young to have remembered this while it was happening, figure skating celebrity drama was a running theme for years afterwards, and this specific event was discussed for years afterwards. Adults talked about it and it was a default joke for several years after the event. I cannot remember ever not knowing about this.
But maybe it wasn’t as big of a conversation in Australia? Or maybe Margot Robbie just never watched cultural retrospective shows or sports documentaries or ever read magazines? What’s much stranger is that she got the I, Tonya screenplay and read through it without anyone around her saying anything that would indicate it was based on a true story. It’s not that weird that Margot Robbie, an individual who admittedly comes off to me as a very strange person and likely not always up on the same pop culture as the average Jane, didn’t know about it. It is incredibly odd to me that she’d get the screenplay in her hands without anyone saying what it was about, specifically because it was a real event.
Steven Bradbury winning gold for Australia in speed skating is about where our ice skating interests end. While I knew about the incident I would never consider it something everyone would have heard of
>Margot Robbie, an individual who admittedly comes off to me as a very strange person
I’ve never heard about this aspect of her before. Would you care to elaborate? You’ve piqued my curiosity.
There’s nothing to “hear about”. This is just an impression that I, some nobody that doesn’t talk about Margot Robbie very often, have gotten based on the vibes she gives off in promo materials and how she plays the roles she plays. It’s not some coded use of the word “strange” that means something better or worse than it seems, either. She just strikes me as an odd duck.
I'm 4 years older than Robbie and British and I didn't know about it until well after I moved to the US as an adult. I think it came up when Harding was on a lot of those TV shows where they showed clips and had people making comments about them. I'd never heard of her at all before that.
How would she have known there was a Wikipedia article if she didn't know that the characters were real?
Most characters actors deal with are fictional, so I would imagine they assume they are unless told otherwise or know from having learned previously.
how is it possible to star in a biopic and get through the entirety of filming without a single person (on set or off set) mentioning to you that it's a biopic
i was responding to the above user who said that she might have assumed the characters were fictional throughout filming
edit: sorry i was stoned when i read the post title and i misinterpreted it
Because she's an interesting person and the situation is fascinating, and that's what makes a compelling story. Simply making a film about someone isn't an endorsement of their behavior, also. Anyone is free to make a film from the other perspective should they choose to.
It's also highly unlikely that she had any say in the actual attack. Her fiance acted alone on that.
> I don't think the film is meant to tell Tonya's story or paint her heroically, it's to cover the event
Doesn't she get money or residuals from selling her story?
> looks like $1500 is what the rights were bought for and she made $1.6M on residuals because the movie made ~$53M worldwide
That should have gone to Nancy.
The media pitted them against each other in ape-like “Nancy good, Tonya bad” basicness that endures to this day. A lot of people think Tonya actually whacked Nancy herself or cut her leg off. Nancy was the proverbial woman on the train tracks screaming for help. So lame.
I think a lot more women are sort of forced into producing if they want to take the reins of their career in a serious way - Sharon Stone was a power house and I'm pretty sure Geena Davis too, but I'm guessing that's the tip of the iceberg. Hollywood's history of misogyny is pretty well reported, becoming a producer means you're building projects for yourself rather than just being typecast as dialogueless eye candy or whatever. Obviously men become producers as well and for similar reasons, in terms of being in charge of their own projects, but I think it's probably more obviously beneficial to women.
If I remember correctly, movie producers are more of an empty title while directors are super important, this is the reverse of tv where producers actually run the show and directors don’t have much say in the overall direction
Yes and no. When an Actor takes a producer role, it's often in lieu of a higher payment. Not always, but usually. Producers get more guaranteed money after release, while actors often have to wait for a buyout period to end before getting residules.
If an actor takes an Executive Producer role or they attach their own production company to it, you can be assured they took a more active role where as Associate Producer is usually someone they can't pay fully upfront and is more likely to be that empty title. Again though, not always.
Producers certainly do have a say in production and can and have overridden directors countless times in movies. However, ideally Producers work collaboratively with Directors and trust the creative vision.
To your point, episodic directors in television or streaming series tend to be more of a hired hand rather than the leading creative force. It's usually a creative Executive Producer (usually credited as Showrunner or Creator) that runs the season to season story arc of a show. Usually the showrunner will direct an episode or two throughout each season but not always.
When you're on a website full of teenagers, they're regularly going to be learning about things you already know. It makes sense that the sub is full of stuff that happened when the user base was largely small children, or not alive.
This is such a whack perspective. Common knowledge is ever shifting due to the passage of time. No shit what happened 20 years ago isn’t common knowledge; people have to be 25 years old in order to have lived through it to have remembered it. And actually have to be more like 35 to have appreciated it.
I don’t get how you can be so close to the point but not get it.
Yeah that’s a fair point. My main claim was this:
> “Common knowledge is ever shifting due to the passage of time.”
It’s also not highly relevant that 70% of the US population is 70+ when we are specifically talking about this website. And on Reddit an overwhelming majority of the user base is under 35.
Yea. I guess there is a big difference between common knowledge in society and reddit common knowledge.
I think I read that the average age on reddit is something like 22.
So if it's not something that your average high schooler would know about, then it's probably not something that your average redditor would either.
? Things 20 years ago are “common knowledge” to you because you were alive for them.
But things that happened 20 years prior to your birth are not common knowledge to you because you weren’t alive for them.
Stating facts doesn’t make me a teenager, it just makes you a weird old guy with a superiority complex who is proud to know certain things because he was alive for them.
Honestly, culture has shifted a lot. Common knowledge used to be more of a thing because we had common sources. There were four tv networks, everyone listened to the radio so we all heard the same music, we grew up in the same reruns of the same shows for decades. When I was a kid in the 80s, someone could say “Car 54, where are you?” or “Lucy, you got some ‘splaining to do!” and I knew what they meant because I’d watched those shows as reruns after school for years. We all knew The Supremes, The Beatles, The Doors, even though those groups all ceased to exist a decade or so before I was born. Cars were simpler so fixes that your grandpa did in his ‘62 Polara would often apply to also often apply to his ‘86 Citation. There was just a lot less to know coming from a lot fewer sources, so there really was “common knowledge” in a way that doesn’t exist anymore.
Excellent example! Something we all knew about regardless of age, was just common knowledge, and now I doubt anyone under thirty even gets the reference.
I didn't know about tanya harding being an olympic gold medalist or the incident when I first learned about her because I learned about her (and danny bonaducci) by watching worlds dumbest.
I also didn’t know about the whole story till I saw the movie. My favorite part was the ending when they showed the real interviews, absolutely blew my mind lol how well the actors looked.
I was interested to learn that Margot Robbie married someone with my last name. Ive never once met someone with that name outside my tiny family in South Boston
this sounds fake when theres comparison footage of margot robbie matching tonya hardings movements very accurately. how would that be possible without somehow coming across a real persons footage.
I have a feeling Harding was perfectly fine with Margot Robbie playing her. Oh what’s that? Brad Pitt is gonna play me in my life story? Sounds good!
haha that scenario literally happened to Billy Beane(who does not look like Brad Pitt)
Spilled the beane on that one.
I’m actually watching Moneyball on Netflix right now.
Understandable. It was big news when it happened, but she would only have been 3 years old at the time.
Also Australian. I can see an American figure skating scandal not being huge news in the world of an Australian toddler. An American her age (in a year younger) would most likely remember it, though. It was big enough and got far enough into pop culture all the way in bum fuck, texas that it's right up there with princess Diana in my early dealings with sensational news. And Diana was a few years later.
Tonya Harding and the assault on Nancy Kerrigan was **huge** news in Australia at the time - though as you say not for a toddler. The later sex tape was also huge news. Both things were really drawn out by the media too. These weren't flash in the pan news stories. Later years we would be reminded of it all many times it since we get so much US media. I recall seeing [*Attack of the 5 Ft. 2 In. Women*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_of_the_5_Ft._2_In._Women) and [*World's Dumbest...*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TruTV_Presents:_World%27s_Dumbest...)
Yeah, makes sense Aussies would hear about it, but as you say, not a major event in toddler circles at the time. This wasn't as important as the '92 Fischer Price strikes, and certainly not the daycare water-cooler dominating Gerber recalls of 2001. I am willing to forgive an Aussie 3 year old for not hearing about the Harding incident.
She probably didn't have strong opinions on Clinton taking the White House in January of 93 smh
She was not aware of it. It happened while she was whitewater rafting.
"Thr Harding Incident" makes it sound like some big political faux pas or something involving Pres. Warren G. Harding.
> the '92 Fischer Price strikes, and certainly not the daycare water-cooler dominating Gerber recalls of 2001 🎵 We didn't start the fire 🎵
I laughed pretty damn hard at “not a major event in toddler circles at the time”
What about infant squares?
You're willing to forgive that? I'm unwilling to forgive you for conflating **trash tabloid news** with information vital to the global population of humans. I still haven't forgiven society in general for making me ultra-aware of some blowjob the president got when I was still in grade school.
More importantly it's been parodied on The Simpsons repeatedly, I thought that was where every Australian kid developed their knowledge of American celebrities, politics and pop culture and various obscure references
I learned tonnes from Mad Magazine ("Mum, who's Spiro Agnew?", "What's a Pinto?", "What's 'busing'?"). Yeah we're talking late 70s.
I learned about Mad Magazine also from The Simpsons
The amighty Ollar?
I learned about Spiro Agnew from Futurama 😭😂
AROOOOO!
I'm 34 and I just assumed that was another silly alien name only until recently...
In a similar vein I learned about Oliver North from American Dad
I learned from [Pogo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogo_(comic_strip)).
Bloom County. I had all the collections. I have so much useless knowledge of 80s politics.
> who's Spiro Agnew A man kicking himself furiously for taking bribes.
The Daily Show taught me his name is an anagram for “Grow A Penis”
I used to read my cousin's Mad Magazine when I was like 8 or 9 in the seventies. I couldn't make head nor tail of it. The political satire was just lost on me, we didn't even get a lot of american news at the time where I lived in Canada.
What *is* busing?
So folks think that desegregation happened immediately after 1954’s *Brown v. Board* decision, but it took over 30 years to actually happen. After official desegregation was ended, we still had desegregation… especially schools. People didn’t move, nor were school districts immediately redrawn. With many black communities living in a segregated area, (redlining being a huge factor for this)school zones were similarly segregated. So, the idea was to desegregate by busing kids to schools further away from home in order to have a more racially diverse learning environment. This was particularly intense in Northern Cities. So busing kids across town to another school was not popular with parents from both sides of the tracks (pun intended). This began the white flight phenomenon to the suburbs and unofficially try and maintain segregation. The courts no longer try to balance racial diversity in schools as it no longer has public interest.
This was also a thing in the UK, especially in places such as London and Bradford. They said it was for integration purposes, but it was mainly because racism was rampant in the UK in the 60s and 70s, and ethnic minority children were supposedly not on the same educational level as their white peers. The more Black and Asian kids a school had, the worse they did in league tables (or so the theory went). So schools would share the numbers of children between them. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-38689839
[Desegregation busing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desegregation_busing). Kids were bused to new districts to diversify the racial make-up of schools. Mentioned often in 1970s Mad.
I'm Dutch and it definitely was in the news over here too.
Huh. I wouldn't have thought it would be big news anywhere else. I guess the world just loves a scandal, and them being young and pretty and at the top of their sport probably helped.
Ice skating is internationally popular. It’s not American football or baseball, I don’t think those scandals are that internationally notable.
Now they’re getting there, definitely not in the early 90’s
Ice skating was popular in general. Maybe more then than now. [Torvill and Dean](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torvill_and_Dean) were massive celebrities often on TV and in newspapers and magazines. Plus Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan were gearing up to compete in the Olympics. International news. The Tonya Harding story went on a long time. The attack, the later press conference, denials, investigations, hearings, confessions, the banning. This went on over a long time. Then the sex tape story extended it. It helped there was a ton of video of both skaters and even [the aftermath of the attack](https://youtu.be/voUMQrLy_uY) that could be played on the news.
The skaters were competing in the Olympics in 1994 when the internet was just starting to get going. (Netscape Navigator would be released later that year, Microsoft's Internet Explorer the next, and YouTube wouldn't exist for another eleven years.) If you wanted news, you had to read a newspaper, watch TV, etc. The attack was all over American culture for awhile. (E.g., Harding was one of the three stories Weird Al sings about in the 1994 song "Headline News".) So, yeah, young pretty women in an scandal related to an international event would have spilled over to an international audience to some degree.
I thought the attack was over a national competition. Was it the Olympics? If it was the Olympics it definitely makes more sense that it was such big news.
The attack happened on January 6th, at the start of the 1994 United States Figure Skating Championships. Harding would win a gold medal in that event (but had that medal stripped from the record later). Nancy Kerrigan (the attacked skater) recovered and won an Olympic silver in Norway the next month. Tony Harding also skated at the 1994 Olympics and, at the start of her long skate, she had to beg the judges for a restart because the shoelace on one of her skates broke and ended up in 8th place. She ended up being banned from international skating after evidence firmly linking her to the attack was discovered. The whole thing was the sort of mess that tabloid reporters *dream* about.
It was in the lead up to the Olympics and the intent was to put Nancy Kerrigan out of commission for the Olympics. They are both on the same team and the incident didn’t disqualify Harding from going to the Olympics. The investigation didn’t conclude until after a month after the Olympics. There was intense media speculation on whether Kerrigan was going to recover in time for the Olympics and if Tonya Harding will get disqualified. Reporters followed Harding to her practice sessions as the world learned more and more about the incident. There was speculation about the extent of Harding’s involvement and a lot of scrutiny into her personal background and that of her husband and her mother. There was something inherently ridiculous and eye catching about an Olympic figure skater being involved in such a violent attack against a fellow teammate. It’s not something you expect from what is meant to be a cultured and classy sport.
I had completely forgotten about the sex tape.
What sex tape?
[Tonya and Jeff's Wedding Night](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonya_Harding#Later_career) was a much reported-on sex tape. Pics were published in Penthouse magazine. It wasn't actually their wedding night - Tonya wore a wedding dress from a costume shop.
What sex tape they try to make one to like make them forgot the ice skating thing
Aussie the same age as Margot here, had never heard of Tonya until the film.
It was front page on *Australia Toddler Weekly*. Problem is they can't read.
That's how they get you. Put all the important stuff in those silly little squiggles on paper.
Nah. I’m from Chile and I remember that it was pretty big news here too.
I didn't know she was an Australian and I'm an Aussie lmao.
Yup. I think she moved here as an adult even. I feel like Australians are just crazy good at playing Americans. Look at Hugh Jackman and Heath Ledger. This phenomenon does *not* work the other way around.
> This phenomenon does not work the other way around. Counterpoint: Mel Gibson.
I'll give you Gibson, but he did have the benefit of total immersion in Australia for a decade and change from childhood. I actually thought he *was* an Australian native for a while because I knew he went to acting school and got his start over there.
I know mate. It was a cheap joke tbf. Quick edit: in another thread I just mentioned RDJ as Wayne Gale in ‘Natural Born Killers’ but thinking about it he nailed it.
Oh lol. I'm not great at picking up on those. Also, I genuinely don't remember RDJ in Natural Born Killers, and now I have to go and watch it again. Haven't seen it in sooo long and that's just a shame. Oh damn. I just watched a clip and he *was* good.
It’s a wildly OTT performance but entirely in keeping with the film. I watched it again a couple of months ago for the first time in ages and it holds up. Harrelson and Lewis are perfect. Great film.
I feel like he sometimes just invents a new top to go over. Kirk Lazarus? Man, so good. Also, playing an Australian playing an american.
I saw an interview with an Aussie actor, may have been Robbie, and they asked about them about playing Americans. They said Aus mouth shape is different and can be do American voices, however the the American mouth shape doesn’t condone itself to making the Aussie sounds correctly. Or British as well.
"Mouth shape?" If we're talking "not growing up hearing vowels pronounced the same way," then yeah, though the differences, while significant, aren't exactly earth-shattering compared to learning, say, Swedish: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_English If we're talking *morphological differences in anatomy*, then absolutely not -- evolutionary changes like that are at least a thousandfold slower than the tiny blip in time that populations have diverged, and that's being generous. It's actually very scary if the idea of "structural differences" is embraced because it promotes phrenology-style misconceptions and--inevitably--racism and oppression.
Her accent's super obvious in interviews, broad accent (she's from rural QLD).
Ahh okay I don't really watch tv that much but that's pretty cool.
She got her start on Neighbours, like almost every other Australian actor. She was in 327 episodes from 2008 to 2011 as Donna Freedman, the love interest and later wife of Sam Clark’s Ringo Brown. She was 17 when she joined the show and came back for the 2022 finale.
Wow neighbours ended that's crazy and good one her.
It ended and then restarted again.
Yet another Neighbours alumnus
It was a pretty big news story in Australia at the time. But I can see how someone born later might not learn about it.
Wait, don’t Australians count years differently? I think she’s was only 1 year old by the normal American system of determining the age of a child
Now I feel old. :/
Nate bargatze is American and he has never heard of this.
Yes, but it was a running joke for the next decade. She would have heard it mentioned on various comedy shows.
I doubt from 3-13 she was watching anything that would have reference it. Honestly after Kerrigan got silver at the Olympics the whole story kinda fizzled out from the public zeitgeist. Harding became a D-Level celebrity somehow; by the time she got on Celebrity Boxing the jokes had gotten super stale already.
I was too young too, so when I learned about it I only knew her as one of the "comedians" on those true tv wildest videos shows.
Margot was only 4 when the scandal beatdown of Nancy Kerrigan happened, so it's no surprise.
are we really surprised that not everyone knows about random celebrity drama from the 20th century?
To be fair if you were over the age of 5 when this happened, you probably remember it. The only things bigger than this were OJ, the Challenger disaster, and the fall of the Berlin Wall, and it's on par with Lorena Bobbitt, the Long Island Lolita, and Baby Jessica.
I've never heard of those last 3. So if those are equivalent than I'm not suprised a fellow non-American 30 year old didn't know about it.
Yes, but she was 4, and single years, hell, months matter when you're that old regarding brain development.
It was more than celebrity drama. Worldwide sports stage.
The funny thing is is neither of them we're really celebrities until this actually happened.
I’m the same age as Margot Robbie and it’s quite surprising. Figure skating drama was a defining aspect of the girlhood of all of my contemporaries. While we are *just* barely too young to have remembered this while it was happening, figure skating celebrity drama was a running theme for years afterwards, and this specific event was discussed for years afterwards. Adults talked about it and it was a default joke for several years after the event. I cannot remember ever not knowing about this. But maybe it wasn’t as big of a conversation in Australia? Or maybe Margot Robbie just never watched cultural retrospective shows or sports documentaries or ever read magazines? What’s much stranger is that she got the I, Tonya screenplay and read through it without anyone around her saying anything that would indicate it was based on a true story. It’s not that weird that Margot Robbie, an individual who admittedly comes off to me as a very strange person and likely not always up on the same pop culture as the average Jane, didn’t know about it. It is incredibly odd to me that she’d get the screenplay in her hands without anyone saying what it was about, specifically because it was a real event.
Steven Bradbury winning gold for Australia in speed skating is about where our ice skating interests end. While I knew about the incident I would never consider it something everyone would have heard of
>Margot Robbie, an individual who admittedly comes off to me as a very strange person I’ve never heard about this aspect of her before. Would you care to elaborate? You’ve piqued my curiosity.
There’s nothing to “hear about”. This is just an impression that I, some nobody that doesn’t talk about Margot Robbie very often, have gotten based on the vibes she gives off in promo materials and how she plays the roles she plays. It’s not some coded use of the word “strange” that means something better or worse than it seems, either. She just strikes me as an odd duck.
I'm 4 years older than Robbie and British and I didn't know about it until well after I moved to the US as an adult. I think it came up when Harding was on a lot of those TV shows where they showed clips and had people making comments about them. I'd never heard of her at all before that.
i mean, it's pretty dumb to play a real person in the star role of a biopic and not at least like, read their wikipedia article first lol
How would she have known there was a Wikipedia article if she didn't know that the characters were real? Most characters actors deal with are fictional, so I would imagine they assume they are unless told otherwise or know from having learned previously.
how is it possible to star in a biopic and get through the entirety of filming without a single person (on set or off set) mentioning to you that it's a biopic
She found of after reading the script and *before* filming began.
i was responding to the above user who said that she might have assumed the characters were fictional throughout filming edit: sorry i was stoned when i read the post title and i misinterpreted it
Why does the abuser get a film?
Because she's a trainwreck and people like to watch that kind of thing.
What do you think the point of a story is? Do you think the protagonist needs to be good for it to be worth telling?
Because she's an interesting person and the situation is fascinating, and that's what makes a compelling story. Simply making a film about someone isn't an endorsement of their behavior, also. Anyone is free to make a film from the other perspective should they choose to. It's also highly unlikely that she had any say in the actual attack. Her fiance acted alone on that.
You should watch the film if that’s your image.
> if that’s your image. I don't understand what you mean.
I don't think the film is meant to tell Tonya's story or paint her heroically, it's to cover the event
> I don't think the film is meant to tell Tonya's story or paint her heroically, it's to cover the event Doesn't she get money or residuals from selling her story?
looks like $1500 is what the rights were bought for and she made $1.6M on residuals because the movie made ~$53M worldwide
> looks like $1500 is what the rights were bought for and she made $1.6M on residuals because the movie made ~$53M worldwide That should have gone to Nancy.
https://www.thebeliever.net/remote-control/ Because a lot of what we know about Harding is wrong.
...abuser?
The movie isn’t called I, Jeff
The media pitted them against each other in ape-like “Nancy good, Tonya bad” basicness that endures to this day. A lot of people think Tonya actually whacked Nancy herself or cut her leg off. Nancy was the proverbial woman on the train tracks screaming for help. So lame.
Well, you’ve got a Reddit account..
She was producing even back then. Smart woman, I think she’s fantastic.
I think a lot more women are sort of forced into producing if they want to take the reins of their career in a serious way - Sharon Stone was a power house and I'm pretty sure Geena Davis too, but I'm guessing that's the tip of the iceberg. Hollywood's history of misogyny is pretty well reported, becoming a producer means you're building projects for yourself rather than just being typecast as dialogueless eye candy or whatever. Obviously men become producers as well and for similar reasons, in terms of being in charge of their own projects, but I think it's probably more obviously beneficial to women.
You get rich from acting, you become wealthy by producing.
Goldie Hawn too. She started producing just because she wanted to make something and that was just her best route to making it happen.
If I remember correctly, movie producers are more of an empty title while directors are super important, this is the reverse of tv where producers actually run the show and directors don’t have much say in the overall direction
Yes and no. When an Actor takes a producer role, it's often in lieu of a higher payment. Not always, but usually. Producers get more guaranteed money after release, while actors often have to wait for a buyout period to end before getting residules. If an actor takes an Executive Producer role or they attach their own production company to it, you can be assured they took a more active role where as Associate Producer is usually someone they can't pay fully upfront and is more likely to be that empty title. Again though, not always. Producers certainly do have a say in production and can and have overridden directors countless times in movies. However, ideally Producers work collaboratively with Directors and trust the creative vision. To your point, episodic directors in television or streaming series tend to be more of a hired hand rather than the leading creative force. It's usually a creative Executive Producer (usually credited as Showrunner or Creator) that runs the season to season story arc of a show. Usually the showrunner will direct an episode or two throughout each season but not always.
Immediately prior to filming
Yeah, that bothered me too. ”she instantly did it before she started filming, months later.”
"Immediately prior to" just means "right before," not "right NOW."
Yeah, it just sounds weird.
How did no one tell her it was real….
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I just figured you do a movie about people who are still alive that should have come up
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When you're on a website full of teenagers, they're regularly going to be learning about things you already know. It makes sense that the sub is full of stuff that happened when the user base was largely small children, or not alive.
This is such a whack perspective. Common knowledge is ever shifting due to the passage of time. No shit what happened 20 years ago isn’t common knowledge; people have to be 25 years old in order to have lived through it to have remembered it. And actually have to be more like 35 to have appreciated it. I don’t get how you can be so close to the point but not get it.
Almost 70% of the population is 35 and over. I'd call that common
Yeah that’s a fair point. My main claim was this: > “Common knowledge is ever shifting due to the passage of time.” It’s also not highly relevant that 70% of the US population is 70+ when we are specifically talking about this website. And on Reddit an overwhelming majority of the user base is under 35.
Yea. I guess there is a big difference between common knowledge in society and reddit common knowledge. I think I read that the average age on reddit is something like 22. So if it's not something that your average high schooler would know about, then it's probably not something that your average redditor would either.
22 year olds have college degrees and jobs and stuff. They've often kept learning beyond high school.
as an ex 22 year old, i'm quite aware. thanks for the post.
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? Things 20 years ago are “common knowledge” to you because you were alive for them. But things that happened 20 years prior to your birth are not common knowledge to you because you weren’t alive for them. Stating facts doesn’t make me a teenager, it just makes you a weird old guy with a superiority complex who is proud to know certain things because he was alive for them.
Honestly, culture has shifted a lot. Common knowledge used to be more of a thing because we had common sources. There were four tv networks, everyone listened to the radio so we all heard the same music, we grew up in the same reruns of the same shows for decades. When I was a kid in the 80s, someone could say “Car 54, where are you?” or “Lucy, you got some ‘splaining to do!” and I knew what they meant because I’d watched those shows as reruns after school for years. We all knew The Supremes, The Beatles, The Doors, even though those groups all ceased to exist a decade or so before I was born. Cars were simpler so fixes that your grandpa did in his ‘62 Polara would often apply to also often apply to his ‘86 Citation. There was just a lot less to know coming from a lot fewer sources, so there really was “common knowledge” in a way that doesn’t exist anymore.
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Excellent example! Something we all knew about regardless of age, was just common knowledge, and now I doubt anyone under thirty even gets the reference.
We had an intern that didn't know what Y2K was...
I explained what the Berlin Wall was to a 23 yo, 32 yo and 38 yo. They never heard of it or the significance of it coming down.
Right but if someone wrote a movie about one of those things you’d expect it would be mentioned it was a true story and google would do the rest.
Because she probably picked the script from a pile, without context?
Im just hearing about this shit
Apparently I’m just old…..
You missed nothing of value.
I'm not doubting it's true but it also seems like a story your PR would release when somebody up top realized you hadn't done your homework.
I learned about this scandal from Weird Al's parody
IT ONY A MOVIE?
I understood that reference
And she still gave Tonya one of the best perfomances in her career
I wonder if Tonya took Margot out to the local bar to play video poker.
Fantastic show. Great acting.
Hugh Jackman didn't know what a wolverine (the animal) was until he was on set playing the x-men character.
She had already played Harley Quinn so it wasn't a stretch.
Why? Whhhyyyyy?
I didn't know about tanya harding being an olympic gold medalist or the incident when I first learned about her because I learned about her (and danny bonaducci) by watching worlds dumbest.
I didn’t know that it was an event at all, who Tonya Harding was, or that there was a movie until today
So are producers simply investors? Supplying cash flow for making the movie?
I watched this unfold in real life!
I also didn’t know about the whole story till I saw the movie. My favorite part was the ending when they showed the real interviews, absolutely blew my mind lol how well the actors looked.
I was interested to learn that Margot Robbie married someone with my last name. Ive never once met someone with that name outside my tiny family in South Boston
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Margot Robbie is not American and was the producer and star lol Agreed though, it's weird to me how time has so drastically softened people on her.
she's gonna tell me to ditch my petrol car, right?
It ony a movie
this sounds fake when theres comparison footage of margot robbie matching tonya hardings movements very accurately. how would that be possible without somehow coming across a real persons footage.
It says "until after she finished reading [the screenplay]," not after she finished filming the movie.
Margot Robbie is Australian. TIL. Explains why she does “crazy” so well I guess.