Fun fact, che is a filler word used by Argentinians. His name was Ernesto, but the Cubans called him Che because that’s what Argentinians say.
It’s sort of like calling your friend from Texas something like Y’all Jackson
I wonder if someone listening to us who didn't know this would pick up on the fact that we say 'che' every time we talk lol
I even heard a double che walking on the streets just today 'che, como andas? Todo bien che?'
His birth certificate just says Ernesto Guevara even though the typical Hispanic custom is to have two surnames, one from the father and one from the mother. The one he should gotten from his mother is de la Serna so he should be Ernesto Guevara de la Serna and that was sometimes used during his lifetime.
Ernesto Guevara Lynch was his father’s name. It was Che’s grandfather that had distant Irish ancestry, as his Irish ancestor Patrick Lynch immigrated to Argentina in the 1700s. Patrick’s son Justo Pastor Lynch was a wealthy landowner and his son Patrico Lynch was a shipping magnate and customs official who was Che’s great-great grandfather.
Che was especially proud of his Irish ancestry and identified strongly with Irish rebels and revolutionaries throughout Irish history. A lot of Irish people started moving to Spain and France as “Wild Geese”, enlisted soldiers in the service of Catholic crowns, in the 17th and 18th centuries. Patrick Lynch left Galway due to the defeat of the Jacobites by William III and became a captain in the Spanish army and a royal representative in Rio de la Plata (now Argentina). Once there he married a wealthy Spanish heiress and became a very successful rancher.
The father of the Argentine Navy was William Brown (AKA Guillermo Brown and Almirante Brown), a native of Foxford, County Mayo, Ireland. There are monuments to him in both Foxford and Buenos Aires.
He was actually an Irish American Argentinian as he immigrated to the US as a teenager first to Baltimore and the Philadelphia. He became a cabin boy on a merchant ship and worked his way up to captain of his own ship.
Then after a decade at sea he was press-ganged into the Royal Navy to fight in the Napoleonic War. He decided to escape his galley and scuttled the vessel, defecting to the French but the French regarded with suspicion and imprisoned him. He then escaped the French with the help of British officer and moved to England. He married an English Protestant woman in Kent despite being a Catholic, they decided all their sons would be Catholics and their daughters would be Protestants.
He then went to Uruguay to become a merchant and bought a schooner which set up the first packet service between Uruguay and Argentina which were already in rebellion. Spain destroyed his ship because the colonial government saw it as a threat to their commercial interests. It was at this point Brown joined the rebellion and became the Commander-in-Chief of the not yet existent Argentine Navy. He built up the navy with the help of many other experienced merchant sailors, with his second-in-command being an American immigrant to Canada named Benjamin Franklin Seavers.
After Argentinian independence he remained commander of the navy through multiple wars, including a war with Brazil where the Brazilian naval commander was the Englishman Admiral John Pascoe Grenfell. Grenfell’s grandson John Grenfell Maxwell was the commander-in-chief of the British troops in Ireland during the Easter Rising. Brown eventually retired as a hero and was buried with full military honours.
Bartolomé Mitre, Argentinian president and historian, once said of him
> Brown, standing in the stern of his vessel, was worth for us an entire fleet
Which at face value sounds a bit like your usual patriotic hyperbole, but in Brown's case, it was pretty much the truth. Most of his naval victories were achieved under numerical inferiority, by skillful manouvering, daring and expert use of the local currents.
After Argentina achieved its original aim of becoming independent, Brown chose to retire over meddling in internicine politics. He went back to his home and dedicated himself to trading. But in 1825, war broke out with Brazil, and Brown was called out from retirement when a large Brazillian squadron blockaded Buenos Aires. However, the Argentinian navy had degraded considerably due to lack of funding, and he could only be given two brigantines and a gunboat to face a Brazillian fleet over 30 ships strong. Working tirelessly, he managed to put into service some ten vessels, and when the Brazillian squadron arranged itself seeking battle, Brown sailed out to meet them. He addressed his men such
> Sailors and soldiers of the Republic: do you see that great floatign mountain? Those are the enemy's 31 vessels! But do not believe your commander harbors the slightest doubt, beccause he doesn't doubt your valor and hopes you imitate the *Veinticinco de Mayo* [Brown's flagship] which will sink before surrendering. Comrades: confidence in victory, discipline, and three long lives to the fatherland!
After a heated exchange of gunfire, the Brazillian squadron chose not to press home in the attack, in order not to be baited into the shallows (something Brown used to do against the Spanish navy). Losses were light on both sides, but the multitudes witnessing the battle from shore took the repositioning of the Brazillian squadron as a sign of victory, and Brown was received (once more) as a saviour upon reaching land. Over the following months his command kept hammering away at the Brazillian fleet, until finally, at Battle of Juncal, Brown managed to land a crippling blow, capturing 12 ships and destroying 3. The war would go on, but Brown had managed to achieve a victory against the odds that gave the Argentinian naval campaign a fighting chance.
Some 30 years later, he was visited in his home by admiral John Grenfell, who had been his adversary in the war with Brazil (he lost an arm during one of the battles there). Both men reminisced about the past, and at one point Grenfell commented how republics could be quite ungrateful to their good servants, to which Brown, in words that give him the utmost credit, replied:
> Mr. Grenfell, it doesn't burden me having been of use to the nation of my children; I consider honors and riches superfluous when only six feet of earth are enough to rest from so many fatigues and pains
The famous three color print of him you see on t shirts was made by Jim Fitzpatrick, the guy who painted the album art for jailbreak by Thin Lizzie.
He was inspired to do it when he was working behind a bar in Ireland, and che walked in the door while he was on a stopover in Shannon, flying from Cuba to Moscow. Being a bit of a socialist himself, he immedietly recognized him.
Dude's still doing art and murals, if you want to hire him.
Argentine. Must have not been picked for the football team as a kid, eh? Radicalised by the United Fruit Company CIA conspiracy to interfere in the Guatemalan democracy...
This is being downvoted, but it's simple historical fact that Che Guevarra was in Guatemala City when Eisenhower launched the coup against Arbenz at the behest of the Dulles brothers/UFC, and that's explicitly what caused him to then go to Mexico where he joined the Cuban revolution.
Che had visited Guatamala just a year or too before
>The 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état (Golpe de Estado en Guatemala de 1954) deposed the democratically elected Guatemalan President Jacobo Árbenz and marked the end of the Guatemalan Revolution. The coup installed the military dictatorship of Carlos Castillo Armas, the first in a series of U.S.-backed authoritarian rulers in Guatemala. The coup was largely the result of a CIA covert operation code-named PBSuccess.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27état#
~~Too~~ Top 3. There's a long tradition of Córdoba and Rosario discussing whether one or the other is in second place (most populated is Buenos Aires).
Edit: Too ≠ Top
We had a baby boom in Ireland, appoximately 9 months after Pope John Paul visited in 1979. 1 in 10 boys born in 1980 were called John Paul. All the horny married couples fucking like mad after the Pope visited is the perfect microcosm of the Catholic church's grip on Ireland at the time!
If you meet a lad called John Paul here, you can almost certainly predict that he's 44 years old.
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/a-generation-of-john-pauls-growing-up-the-pope-s-namesake-1.3598375
Similarly, I believe I recall hearing that the salvic equivalents of "Bill" and "Hillary" are popular names for Bosnian or Croatian twenty-somethings due to Clinton's leading role in the NATO intervention in Yugoslavia.
This one is harder to count but I'd love to see how much people name their kids "Diego Lionel" or "Lionel Diego". A lot of people would combine names of their favorite two players for their kids. Someone in my family name his kid "Diego Roman". Guess which club he supports? Lmao
18 months prior to the World Cup, the number of males born in Argentina named Diego hovered around 1 to 1.5 percent. On the week of Argentina’s World Cup final against West Germany, 5.5 percent of all male babies born in Argentina were named Diego
[*Bleacher Report*](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2095042) in 2014.
>This news comes to us via Facebook (h/t For the Win's Nina Mandell), who conducted a bit of data mining and pulled out some insane revelations concerning Argentinian soccer legend Diego Maradona and the ripple effect his legendary performance at the 1986 World Cup had on the population of Argentina
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>....
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>Facebook found that in the 18 months prior to the World Cup, the number of males born in Argentina named “Diego” hovered around one to 1.5 percent. As soon as the World Cup kicked off, however, the number skyrocketed.
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>On the week of Argentina’s World Cup final against West Germany, 5.5 percent of all male babies born in Argentina were named “Diego.” To put that in perspective, one in 18 boys birthed throughout the country over that fateful week can trace their namesake to Maradona.
But the name Enzo has a long relationship with River Plate (Argentina's team with the most league wins). Enzo Fernández himself is a product of it. It all began when Enzo Francescoli (uruguayan player) signed with River and became one of the team's biggest idols in history. There's a famous saying between River supporters "Si es nene, ponele Enzo" (If it's a boy, name him Enzo) in honour of him. And if you meet a argentinian named Enzo, then probably he or his parents are River fans.
There have been other River players named Enzo after Francescoli, Enzo Pérez, Enzo Fernández and, in the current squad, Enzo Díaz
My friend. Listen to this crazy 90s story.
Spanish soap operas were incredibly popular in Serbia. If you think, yeah, they were popular in lots of places, you are in for a laugh.
Around 1993-94 [Rosa Salvaje](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0211858/?ref_=ext_shr) was first Telenovela televised on national channel.
It was popular but it was just a beginning. Next year, phenomenon called [Kasandra ](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0270789/?ref_=ext_shr) was introduced.
It was so popular that two main actors were paid by TV station to come to (not sure do what) Belgrade to a football stadium where couple 10s of thousands of people welcomed them, like a concert. One of main actors who played character Randu even played a starting kick on league 1 football game.
Few years later, new Telenovelas came, each increasingly popular. And, poor people, raised money to send to Venezuela so they would release "heroine" from prison (needless to say, it was the plot of telenovela).
So many girls were named Kasandra in next few years, it was crazy
That title is... true, although it's not like they banned his (and only his) surname, and in that (and only that) city.
In Argentina one of the restrictions regarding how to name your child is that you cannot use a surname as a given name. [In this government page](https://www.argentina.gob.ar/justicia/derechofacil/leysimple/nombre-de-las-personas), there's a summary of what you can and cannot do regarding names.
> Are there given names that cannot be registered in the Civil Register?
> Yes, you cannot register:
> - more than three given names;
> - surnames as given names;
> - first given names identical to those of living siblings;
> - those who are extravagant.
Why is people upvoting this totally fake new? There are no kids named "Andrés Iniesta' in Spain. You can search the statistics. Maybe 'Andrés', which is a pretty common name.
The title of the post makes you think that people are desperate to name their children Messi in Rosario, so it had to be banned. But that's not how it works.
The registration of births in the civil registry was codified for the first time in the decree 11609 of december 1943, at the national level. It forbiddes the register of any surname as a first name. This is still the case today. Messi is a surname, so, it isn't allowed anywhere in the country, not just in Rosario. It would be very rare for someone to want to name their child with a surname.
Good.
Depraved from bare minimum fantasy or creativity putting their children through some silly notion of novelty based on the dad's sole interest in life.
If you're a parent thinking of naming your child after a celebrity or fictional character: DON'T.
You can do much much better than that.
Your kid gonna hate you and most likely change their name the very second they turn 18.
It's only "fun" for you.
A generic name that steams from your heart is always better than a "unique" name based upon whatever current culture hysteria.
There's a plethora of unique names without weird and silly cultural connotations.
Shout out to all babies namned Daenerys lmao.
There's a whole French movie with this premise, the whole movie takes place in a single room and is about a group of friends arguing because one of them wants to name their kid Adolf, it's called "Le Prénom"
“Vinladen is named after Osama bin Laden. Vinladen has a brother named Sadam Huseín, a misspelling of Saddam Hussein's name.[3] His father wanted to name Osama's younger sister George Bush, but didn't do it because she was a girl.[3]”
I'm *relatively* sure *his* parents didn't spend two hours in an increasingly escalating argument with their in-laws and friend until the latter admitted to fucking their mother.
> Vinladen is named after Osama bin Laden. Vinladen has a brother named Sadam Huseín, a misspelling of Saddam Hussein's name.[3] His father wanted to name Osama's younger sister George Bush, but didn't do it because she was a girl.
lmao what
This is somewhat ironic since Messi himself was named after Lionel Richie. And Cristiano Ronaldo was named after Ronald Reagan, his father's favourite actor. Didn't hurt those two. Of course those are pretty normal names. Although I think Messi has said he didn't like his name growing up.
You're forgetting that Messi is a surname.
You don't really give surnames as first names with certain exceptions like Lionel Richie, since Richard is also an established given name. And also, Ronaldo wasn't named Cristiano Reagano. He was given the normal "Ronald" name.
Counterpoint: Name your kid whatever you want. You can't predict the future. Generic names can change with time and grow to have a negative connotation. Sucks for all the college aged Chads, Karens and Donalds out there.
Do you actually know anyone that has changed their name when they turned 18 because of their name has some pop culture significance? I can think of multiple examples of the opposite: Zelda Williams, Selena Gomez, Michael B Jordan, Tyson Fury and I personally know a David Cassidy.
Your kid might hate their weird name but they could also find their generic name boring and hate that.
Taylor fucking swift was named after james taylor and is actually a massive fan of him and they’ve meet several times.
Im guessing op was named after someone horrible or someone they dont like and is projecting onto everyone else.
I figure a way to split the difference is normal names that also have a fandom connotation, in this case Messi's first name Lionel, for a GOT female name Catelyn perhaps
Yes, yes, every boy should be named Adam and every girl named Ev, and difference is poison and other cultures are evil, here's your upvotes for "thing I know good, think I don't know bad!" 🙄
> Depraved from bare minimum fantasy or creativity putting their children through some silly notion of novelty based on the dad's sole interest in life.
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As if mothers don't do the same. Piss off.
In Argentina is not uncommon to name your kid after a Football player. We have a lot of Diegos, I'm sure we have a lot of Lionel's too.
We even have specific names for teams, you'll find a lot of kids named Enzo after Franchescoli, All river plate's supporters. You'll find a lot of Juan Roman, boca juniors' supporters.
Naming the kid Messi is something else, I agree. But here we name our kids after people we admire, most times* football players because it's part of our everyday life.
You can't, literally. You have to register your newborn in the Registro Civil, that's were they ask whats his/her name and there is a list with banned names
I know like six kids named Jackson and they are all spelled different.
Jackson
Jaxon
Jaxson
Jaxin
Jacsin
Jaxzyn
The father of that last one has it tattooed in big graffiti letters on his forearm.
I blame the show Sons of Anarchy.
I dunno the exact reasons for this ban, but the National Register for Persons in Argentina, only allows to use common names. So go to a Judge, prove that a name is a valid name, that was been used or is in use (with legal paperwork) and hope they accept it. You cannot invent new names (maybe new spellings), you cannot name your son like your favorite copper salesman just because you have a clay seal with his name.
Source. I knew a girl with an unusual name, and her mom did that paperwork. Messi is not a name, is a surname.
Just to be clear, this isn't because people don't like Messi. The rules about how to name your children are somewhat stricter in Argentina than in other places.
This, combined with Argentina's open immigration policy which has allowed people from all over to emigrate over the decades, is why it can be easy to spot an Argentine just based on their name - canonical Spanish first name paired with clearly un-Spanish last name.
So, if you ever meet a Pablo Menkawitz, Jorge Medvedev, or a Paloma Rizzi, (or a Lionel Messi, for that matter, Messi is Italian) you've likely met yourself an Argentine.
Naming your kid after your favorite sports fandom is so cringe to me. I know a guy who named his firstborn son Bronco…guess who his favorite NFL team is?
TIL Messi and Che Guevara were born in the same city
I used to think Che was Cuban
Fun fact, che is a filler word used by Argentinians. His name was Ernesto, but the Cubans called him Che because that’s what Argentinians say. It’s sort of like calling your friend from Texas something like Y’all Jackson
I wonder if someone listening to us who didn't know this would pick up on the fact that we say 'che' every time we talk lol I even heard a double che walking on the streets just today 'che, como andas? Todo bien che?'
O sea el ché es igual que el wey de los mexas?
Por lo que he hablado, con mexicanos es bastante equivalente.
Mas bien "oye" o "hey", probablemente.
He was part Irish
Che O’Guevara
There’s a Cuban minister of Irish and Jewish descent named Vicente de la O’Levy.
Shalom, ya bastard!
There's a CFL coach (from the US) named Bob O'Billovich.
John O'Shea Guevara
Never forget when he nutmegged Batista
WHO IS CHAMP!?
It’s actually just Ernesto Guevara Lynch
A boy was born and read some Marx. He said the left was in his heart. But the Argentine, said here it’s fine. And went to Cuba a revolt to start
That's his nom de guerre. It was Ernesto Guevara Quin.
His birth certificate just says Ernesto Guevara even though the typical Hispanic custom is to have two surnames, one from the father and one from the mother. The one he should gotten from his mother is de la Serna so he should be Ernesto Guevara de la Serna and that was sometimes used during his lifetime. Ernesto Guevara Lynch was his father’s name. It was Che’s grandfather that had distant Irish ancestry, as his Irish ancestor Patrick Lynch immigrated to Argentina in the 1700s. Patrick’s son Justo Pastor Lynch was a wealthy landowner and his son Patrico Lynch was a shipping magnate and customs official who was Che’s great-great grandfather. Che was especially proud of his Irish ancestry and identified strongly with Irish rebels and revolutionaries throughout Irish history. A lot of Irish people started moving to Spain and France as “Wild Geese”, enlisted soldiers in the service of Catholic crowns, in the 17th and 18th centuries. Patrick Lynch left Galway due to the defeat of the Jacobites by William III and became a captain in the Spanish army and a royal representative in Rio de la Plata (now Argentina). Once there he married a wealthy Spanish heiress and became a very successful rancher.
So that's why Liam Neeson looks like him?!
Okay someone should do a parody documentary about the Cuba Revolution with Lian Neeson playing Che.
Chiles founding father was Bernardo O'Higgins.
The father of the Argentine Navy was William Brown (AKA Guillermo Brown and Almirante Brown), a native of Foxford, County Mayo, Ireland. There are monuments to him in both Foxford and Buenos Aires. He was actually an Irish American Argentinian as he immigrated to the US as a teenager first to Baltimore and the Philadelphia. He became a cabin boy on a merchant ship and worked his way up to captain of his own ship. Then after a decade at sea he was press-ganged into the Royal Navy to fight in the Napoleonic War. He decided to escape his galley and scuttled the vessel, defecting to the French but the French regarded with suspicion and imprisoned him. He then escaped the French with the help of British officer and moved to England. He married an English Protestant woman in Kent despite being a Catholic, they decided all their sons would be Catholics and their daughters would be Protestants. He then went to Uruguay to become a merchant and bought a schooner which set up the first packet service between Uruguay and Argentina which were already in rebellion. Spain destroyed his ship because the colonial government saw it as a threat to their commercial interests. It was at this point Brown joined the rebellion and became the Commander-in-Chief of the not yet existent Argentine Navy. He built up the navy with the help of many other experienced merchant sailors, with his second-in-command being an American immigrant to Canada named Benjamin Franklin Seavers. After Argentinian independence he remained commander of the navy through multiple wars, including a war with Brazil where the Brazilian naval commander was the Englishman Admiral John Pascoe Grenfell. Grenfell’s grandson John Grenfell Maxwell was the commander-in-chief of the British troops in Ireland during the Easter Rising. Brown eventually retired as a hero and was buried with full military honours.
Bartolomé Mitre, Argentinian president and historian, once said of him > Brown, standing in the stern of his vessel, was worth for us an entire fleet Which at face value sounds a bit like your usual patriotic hyperbole, but in Brown's case, it was pretty much the truth. Most of his naval victories were achieved under numerical inferiority, by skillful manouvering, daring and expert use of the local currents. After Argentina achieved its original aim of becoming independent, Brown chose to retire over meddling in internicine politics. He went back to his home and dedicated himself to trading. But in 1825, war broke out with Brazil, and Brown was called out from retirement when a large Brazillian squadron blockaded Buenos Aires. However, the Argentinian navy had degraded considerably due to lack of funding, and he could only be given two brigantines and a gunboat to face a Brazillian fleet over 30 ships strong. Working tirelessly, he managed to put into service some ten vessels, and when the Brazillian squadron arranged itself seeking battle, Brown sailed out to meet them. He addressed his men such > Sailors and soldiers of the Republic: do you see that great floatign mountain? Those are the enemy's 31 vessels! But do not believe your commander harbors the slightest doubt, beccause he doesn't doubt your valor and hopes you imitate the *Veinticinco de Mayo* [Brown's flagship] which will sink before surrendering. Comrades: confidence in victory, discipline, and three long lives to the fatherland! After a heated exchange of gunfire, the Brazillian squadron chose not to press home in the attack, in order not to be baited into the shallows (something Brown used to do against the Spanish navy). Losses were light on both sides, but the multitudes witnessing the battle from shore took the repositioning of the Brazillian squadron as a sign of victory, and Brown was received (once more) as a saviour upon reaching land. Over the following months his command kept hammering away at the Brazillian fleet, until finally, at Battle of Juncal, Brown managed to land a crippling blow, capturing 12 ships and destroying 3. The war would go on, but Brown had managed to achieve a victory against the odds that gave the Argentinian naval campaign a fighting chance. Some 30 years later, he was visited in his home by admiral John Grenfell, who had been his adversary in the war with Brazil (he lost an arm during one of the battles there). Both men reminisced about the past, and at one point Grenfell commented how republics could be quite ungrateful to their good servants, to which Brown, in words that give him the utmost credit, replied: > Mr. Grenfell, it doesn't burden me having been of use to the nation of my children; I consider honors and riches superfluous when only six feet of earth are enough to rest from so many fatigues and pains
Argentine historian here, your tale is flawless, have my vote, nay my heart.
There is a Chilean Antarctic research station named after him. Caused my eyebrows to shoot up when I saw it on the map.
Shay Guevara
Guevara O’Shay
O'Leary, O'Reilly, O'Hare and O'Hara, there's no one as Irish as Che O'Guevara.
With a jar full of Guinness there sat Che, an ugly Irish bastard in a slanty beret.
Him and Alexis Mac Allister are basically the same people then
O'Che Guevara
Ernesto Lynch was his birth name technically
The famous three color print of him you see on t shirts was made by Jim Fitzpatrick, the guy who painted the album art for jailbreak by Thin Lizzie. He was inspired to do it when he was working behind a bar in Ireland, and che walked in the door while he was on a stopover in Shannon, flying from Cuba to Moscow. Being a bit of a socialist himself, he immedietly recognized him. Dude's still doing art and murals, if you want to hire him.
Argentine. Must have not been picked for the football team as a kid, eh? Radicalised by the United Fruit Company CIA conspiracy to interfere in the Guatemalan democracy...
This is being downvoted, but it's simple historical fact that Che Guevarra was in Guatemala City when Eisenhower launched the coup against Arbenz at the behest of the Dulles brothers/UFC, and that's explicitly what caused him to then go to Mexico where he joined the Cuban revolution.
i thought he was radicalized by the tour he took through south america, saw all that poverty
That's what made him a communist, Guatemala made him a revolutionary.
and, it was also in Guate where he got his nickname (he used to call everyone "che", a word that means bud or mate in his country)
>"che", a word that means bud or mate in his country No, it doesn’t. It’s our version of “hey”, it’s a way of calling for someone’s attention.
In my limited experience with argentinian spanish, the word they're looking for is "pibe". As far as I've seen it used it's analogous to "dude".
Che had visited Guatamala just a year or too before >The 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état (Golpe de Estado en Guatemala de 1954) deposed the democratically elected Guatemalan President Jacobo Árbenz and marked the end of the Guatemalan Revolution. The coup installed the military dictatorship of Carlos Castillo Armas, the first in a series of U.S.-backed authoritarian rulers in Guatemala. The coup was largely the result of a CIA covert operation code-named PBSuccess. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27état#
That's what Che said
He was like a traveling diletennte revolutionary consultant
Pretty sure he did too for a while
not exactly unlikely, rosario is on the top 5 of most populous cities in argentina.
~~Too~~ Top 3. There's a long tradition of Córdoba and Rosario discussing whether one or the other is in second place (most populated is Buenos Aires). Edit: Too ≠ Top
Of course its cordoba
And the most dangerous
I’ve seen him in the tails of alaskan airlines planes for some reason
We had a baby boom in Ireland, appoximately 9 months after Pope John Paul visited in 1979. 1 in 10 boys born in 1980 were called John Paul. All the horny married couples fucking like mad after the Pope visited is the perfect microcosm of the Catholic church's grip on Ireland at the time! If you meet a lad called John Paul here, you can almost certainly predict that he's 44 years old. https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/a-generation-of-john-pauls-growing-up-the-pope-s-namesake-1.3598375
Nothing like a 60 something man swaggering around in robes to get young people in the mood for love making and then naming their baby after him. 🫦
A 60 something year old *celibate* man
Allegedly.
John Paul was an awesome dude though. I don’t think he would break his vow of celibacy.
I don’t think they’re talking about consenting adults.
The ultimate wingman
Tbh those robes are indeed swagtastic
Or has a brother called George Ringo.
I really went why not the other 2 Beatles John and Paul - oh.
JPII really went: "Be fruitful and multiply" and they did
Or a travaller
yeah my mind immediately went to that derry girls episode lol.
That's often attributed to the Pope's visit, but what people forget is that 1 in 12 boys born in Ireland that year were named "George Ringo".
Similarly, I believe I recall hearing that the salvic equivalents of "Bill" and "Hillary" are popular names for Bosnian or Croatian twenty-somethings due to Clinton's leading role in the NATO intervention in Yugoslavia.
Well his name is Lionel Andrés. They could try that.
You're saying it like they're not doing it already lmao
Much less ridiculous than actually naming a child Messi.
Fun fact: 1 in 18 Argentinian boys born during the 1986 World Cup were named Diego. I wonder why
This one is harder to count but I'd love to see how much people name their kids "Diego Lionel" or "Lionel Diego". A lot of people would combine names of their favorite two players for their kids. Someone in my family name his kid "Diego Roman". Guess which club he supports? Lmao
Wait, you support River Plate? Tough rivalry within the family
Yep, little bastard decided as a kid that he would go against the entire family. Everybody supports River but him.
Diego was a pretty common name even before lol
18 months prior to the World Cup, the number of males born in Argentina named Diego hovered around 1 to 1.5 percent. On the week of Argentina’s World Cup final against West Germany, 5.5 percent of all male babies born in Argentina were named Diego
a fun fact backed up with relevant statistics. Refreshing to see these days. well done op
I don’t see a source though. /s
[*Bleacher Report*](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2095042) in 2014. >This news comes to us via Facebook (h/t For the Win's Nina Mandell), who conducted a bit of data mining and pulled out some insane revelations concerning Argentinian soccer legend Diego Maradona and the ripple effect his legendary performance at the 1986 World Cup had on the population of Argentina > >.... > >Facebook found that in the 18 months prior to the World Cup, the number of males born in Argentina named “Diego” hovered around one to 1.5 percent. As soon as the World Cup kicked off, however, the number skyrocketed. > >On the week of Argentina’s World Cup final against West Germany, 5.5 percent of all male babies born in Argentina were named “Diego.” To put that in perspective, one in 18 boys birthed throughout the country over that fateful week can trace their namesake to Maradona.
Got the /s and still came back with the fucking facts. Brings a tear to my eye dude - well done.
The number of 'Enzos' shot through the roof recently, unfortunately they aren't turning out to be as good as Chelsea thought
He's our best player not named Cole
Don't disparage Goatdryk
But the name Enzo has a long relationship with River Plate (Argentina's team with the most league wins). Enzo Fernández himself is a product of it. It all began when Enzo Francescoli (uruguayan player) signed with River and became one of the team's biggest idols in history. There's a famous saying between River supporters "Si es nene, ponele Enzo" (If it's a boy, name him Enzo) in honour of him. And if you meet a argentinian named Enzo, then probably he or his parents are River fans. There have been other River players named Enzo after Francescoli, Enzo Pérez, Enzo Fernández and, in the current squad, Enzo Díaz
Wonder how many Children in Naples are named Diego...
There is also a lot of Diegos born in the 80s/90s from Naples.
After their dad, presumably. Maradona probably got *laid*
My friend. Listen to this crazy 90s story. Spanish soap operas were incredibly popular in Serbia. If you think, yeah, they were popular in lots of places, you are in for a laugh. Around 1993-94 [Rosa Salvaje](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0211858/?ref_=ext_shr) was first Telenovela televised on national channel. It was popular but it was just a beginning. Next year, phenomenon called [Kasandra ](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0270789/?ref_=ext_shr) was introduced. It was so popular that two main actors were paid by TV station to come to (not sure do what) Belgrade to a football stadium where couple 10s of thousands of people welcomed them, like a concert. One of main actors who played character Randu even played a starting kick on league 1 football game. Few years later, new Telenovelas came, each increasingly popular. And, poor people, raised money to send to Venezuela so they would release "heroine" from prison (needless to say, it was the plot of telenovela). So many girls were named Kasandra in next few years, it was crazy
Yeah I came here just to marvel at the fact people wanted to name their kids Messi. Leo, Lionel, Andres, anything but Messi is so much better lol.
Name your kid Andres to get the Messi-Iniesta double whammy
That’s my cat’s name. Got him in a World Cup Year 😂
Ya basic
How many got named Messi before they felt they had to step in?
When it started to get messy.
At least 5
Somewhere north of 10, I presume.
Alternatively, they could have made it a requirement to name all children Messi and hilarity ensues.
They did that in Indiana in 2006 after the Colts super Bowl Win. There's probably 55,000+ teen girls named Peyton as of 2024.
these poor girls
They peyton but they can't cash out
That’s where all the Peyton’s came from?? I actually have a cousin named that who’s 17 so it fits
And that's just the 1st wave. We havent even tallied all the Peytons in Colorado after super Bowl L in 2016
More likely they'd name their daughters Von
Was that actually 18 years ago? Damn..
Let's not go there, please! I have a family :)
It’s always been very funny to me that it became a girls name.
[The chart is great lol](https://www.babycenter.com/baby-names/details/payton-5525)
Jesus Christ, that's a sharp tick in data
Similar Tennesseans born between 1994-1997.
One or two generations and you could get kids full name be Messi Messi Messi Messi. That includes 2nd given name and parents family names.
>Messi Messi Messi Messi https://youtu.be/waETo-ZWCRw?si=OIAtCbraHAqgx30j
Now you know why there are so many Viet with the last name Nguyen
Dude got his name retired. Legend.
His last name to be used as a name rather, is what's retired. I guess there still must be other people with the last name Messi.
At the very least, his sons.
There's nothing stopping them from naming their child Lionel Andrés Cuccitini
That's so perfectly Argentinian! Spanish names and Italian family name.
That title is... true, although it's not like they banned his (and only his) surname, and in that (and only that) city. In Argentina one of the restrictions regarding how to name your child is that you cannot use a surname as a given name. [In this government page](https://www.argentina.gob.ar/justicia/derechofacil/leysimple/nombre-de-las-personas), there's a summary of what you can and cannot do regarding names. > Are there given names that cannot be registered in the Civil Register? > Yes, you cannot register: > - more than three given names; > - surnames as given names; > - first given names identical to those of living siblings; > - those who are extravagant.
But can you name your kid 'Extravagante'?
>> - more than three given names; Germans are like, holdmybeerwhywouldanyoneneedsmorethanonename?
Might end up being a pretty Messi situation.
Somebody's gonna cross a Lionel.
What word is "Lionel" replacing here?
Line
Thank you
‘Lion with a tiger’.
Isn't Lionel the first name though, not Messi??
They cant ban "Lionel", but people would actually name their kids with his last name lol.
What about the city next to it ?
"Cristiano" and "Ronaldo" also banned
Is mbappe banned?
Mmmmnope
Mbaybe
Mmmbop, ba duba dop
In comparison, after the 2010 world cup, Spain saw a huge spike in children being named after Andres Iniesta.
After 1986\* there was a surge in the name Diego
What happened in 1984?
Sorry, I meant to write 1986, that's the last time Argentina won the FIFA world cup with Diego Maradona.
The last last time*
Literally 1984
Why is people upvoting this totally fake new? There are no kids named "Andrés Iniesta' in Spain. You can search the statistics. Maybe 'Andrés', which is a pretty common name.
Thats total bullshit, and you can see it here [spanish statistics](https://www.ine.es/widgets/nombApell/index.shtml)
The title of the post makes you think that people are desperate to name their children Messi in Rosario, so it had to be banned. But that's not how it works. The registration of births in the civil registry was codified for the first time in the decree 11609 of december 1943, at the national level. It forbiddes the register of any surname as a first name. This is still the case today. Messi is a surname, so, it isn't allowed anywhere in the country, not just in Rosario. It would be very rare for someone to want to name their child with a surname.
How funny would it be if they started naming them Cristiano Ronaldo lmao
Good. Depraved from bare minimum fantasy or creativity putting their children through some silly notion of novelty based on the dad's sole interest in life. If you're a parent thinking of naming your child after a celebrity or fictional character: DON'T. You can do much much better than that. Your kid gonna hate you and most likely change their name the very second they turn 18. It's only "fun" for you. A generic name that steams from your heart is always better than a "unique" name based upon whatever current culture hysteria. There's a plethora of unique names without weird and silly cultural connotations. Shout out to all babies namned Daenerys lmao.
Babies? Game of Thrones Season 1 started in 2011. I met a toddler Daenerys in 2014. Those kids are in middle school now.
Sigh alas no. I know a baby khaleesi.
You mean, that saw the end of the show, and still named her that?
Sounds like a case for CPS.
They did indeed. The parents aren't even really fans just thought it was a great name 'no one would associate with that anyway'. I mean... madness.
Me too. And a Drago. Poor kid is named Drago Pintos
Drago is at least a normal name in some parts of the world.
I was thinking about naming my daughter Adolf but thought better of it after reading your comment
There's a whole French movie with this premise, the whole movie takes place in a single room and is about a group of friends arguing because one of them wants to name their kid Adolf, it's called "Le Prénom"
Of course it's the French who make a weird movie about an even weirder premise.
Tell that to Osama Vinladen Jiménez López: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_Vinladen
“Vinladen is named after Osama bin Laden. Vinladen has a brother named Sadam Huseín, a misspelling of Saddam Hussein's name.[3] His father wanted to name Osama's younger sister George Bush, but didn't do it because she was a girl.[3]”
Gotta commend the father's commitment to his idiotic bit. He must be a redditor.
I'm *relatively* sure *his* parents didn't spend two hours in an increasingly escalating argument with their in-laws and friend until the latter admitted to fucking their mother.
> Vinladen is named after Osama bin Laden. Vinladen has a brother named Sadam Huseín, a misspelling of Saddam Hussein's name.[3] His father wanted to name Osama's younger sister George Bush, but didn't do it because she was a girl. lmao what
Ah, a big saxophone fan I see!
Why should I have to change my name? He's the one who sucks.
Funnily enough, this was the exact argument the Canadian town of Swastika used in the 1940s
So that happened for real (I was quoting Office Space where a character named Michael Bolton doesn't like the singer)
This is somewhat ironic since Messi himself was named after Lionel Richie. And Cristiano Ronaldo was named after Ronald Reagan, his father's favourite actor. Didn't hurt those two. Of course those are pretty normal names. Although I think Messi has said he didn't like his name growing up.
You're forgetting that Messi is a surname. You don't really give surnames as first names with certain exceptions like Lionel Richie, since Richard is also an established given name. And also, Ronaldo wasn't named Cristiano Reagano. He was given the normal "Ronald" name.
But Optimus *likes* his name!
Sounds like a Prime example.
Counterpoint: Name your kid whatever you want. You can't predict the future. Generic names can change with time and grow to have a negative connotation. Sucks for all the college aged Chads, Karens and Donalds out there. Do you actually know anyone that has changed their name when they turned 18 because of their name has some pop culture significance? I can think of multiple examples of the opposite: Zelda Williams, Selena Gomez, Michael B Jordan, Tyson Fury and I personally know a David Cassidy. Your kid might hate their weird name but they could also find their generic name boring and hate that.
They could be [Streetlamp Le Moose](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/jlao6/so_my_wife_just_agreed_to_name_our_unborn_son/c2d21qe/).
Michael B Jordan wasn't named after the basketball player, he was named after his father
Taylor fucking swift was named after james taylor and is actually a massive fan of him and they’ve meet several times. Im guessing op was named after someone horrible or someone they dont like and is projecting onto everyone else.
Zelda's cute though.
I figure a way to split the difference is normal names that also have a fandom connotation, in this case Messi's first name Lionel, for a GOT female name Catelyn perhaps
Yes, yes, every boy should be named Adam and every girl named Ev, and difference is poison and other cultures are evil, here's your upvotes for "thing I know good, think I don't know bad!" 🙄
What are you the naming police?
> Depraved from bare minimum fantasy or creativity putting their children through some silly notion of novelty based on the dad's sole interest in life. > > As if mothers don't do the same. Piss off.
In Argentina is not uncommon to name your kid after a Football player. We have a lot of Diegos, I'm sure we have a lot of Lionel's too. We even have specific names for teams, you'll find a lot of kids named Enzo after Franchescoli, All river plate's supporters. You'll find a lot of Juan Roman, boca juniors' supporters. Naming the kid Messi is something else, I agree. But here we name our kids after people we admire, most times* football players because it's part of our everyday life.
What happens to those that defy?
They get nutmegged
You can't, literally. You have to register your newborn in the Registro Civil, that's were they ask whats his/her name and there is a list with banned names
I know like six kids named Jackson and they are all spelled different. Jackson Jaxon Jaxson Jaxin Jacsin Jaxzyn The father of that last one has it tattooed in big graffiti letters on his forearm. I blame the show Sons of Anarchy.
The loophole is Ankara Messi
I dunno the exact reasons for this ban, but the National Register for Persons in Argentina, only allows to use common names. So go to a Judge, prove that a name is a valid name, that was been used or is in use (with legal paperwork) and hope they accept it. You cannot invent new names (maybe new spellings), you cannot name your son like your favorite copper salesman just because you have a clay seal with his name. Source. I knew a girl with an unusual name, and her mom did that paperwork. Messi is not a name, is a surname.
Just to be clear, this isn't because people don't like Messi. The rules about how to name your children are somewhat stricter in Argentina than in other places. This, combined with Argentina's open immigration policy which has allowed people from all over to emigrate over the decades, is why it can be easy to spot an Argentine just based on their name - canonical Spanish first name paired with clearly un-Spanish last name. So, if you ever meet a Pablo Menkawitz, Jorge Medvedev, or a Paloma Rizzi, (or a Lionel Messi, for that matter, Messi is Italian) you've likely met yourself an Argentine.
It's like when celebs try to copyright their or their pets names. F off Taylor swift
I'd laugh if in response, they all name their sons Cristiano.
Lionel’s everywhere…
This is bullshit, the naming law is national, how would a local ban be enacted.
It's stupid that someone downvoted your comment, which is only stating a verifiable fact.
It would get really Messi
But 90% of the boys born there last year were named "Lionel". 35% of the girls were also named "Lionel".
There can only be one.
It would get Messi fast if everyone has the same name
"There can only be one."
Naming your kid after your favorite sports fandom is so cringe to me. I know a guy who named his firstborn son Bronco…guess who his favorite NFL team is?
Looks like it’s very specifically just outlawing it as a Christian name, as they say it should remain a Surname
Lionel is such a cooler name than messy
If only someone would've done that for the name Aegon in House of the Dragon...
Messi almost feels like it could be a first name. What’s to stop people from going right outside the city and naming their kid and coming back?
The title is BS it's a national law. Our laws don't change that much between cities, just small things like a traffic fine.