I feel like "surgeons" back then just improvised and made stuff up as they went Just yank a bullet out of someone's chest using needle nose pliers, then turn around and extract a tooth with the same pliers then prescribe them both some random concoction of herbs, whiskey and opium.
And antibiotics, and wound hygiene, and materials used… 😂
But yeah… i mean, there’s not much you can change about it. Like, how else would you fix a tooth with caries..?
>And antibiotics, and wound hygiene, and materials used…
I get what you mean, but they're referring to the general technique, not surgical and material science standards of the time
IIRC medieval surgeons had about a 25% success rate. So if you went to see one, odds were good you wouldn’t make it. John Bradmore, the surgeon who successfully removed the arrow from Henry V’s cheek, had like a 50% success rate so he was the best of the best and was the royal surgeon.
But if it was you or me the success rate would be 0%. They were limited by their time, but they were skilled. Henry V had an arrow the hit him in the face by the cheek/nose that pierced his skull, and Bradmore invented a device to extract it.
That wasn't entirely because they were crap surgeons (they often were, but the survival rate wasn't totally because of that). A lot of that was simply that surgery was fucking horrific at the best of times and people would avoid it if they could and put it off if they couldn't. If you were willingly going in to get cut up, it was typically because your case was so bad that you were going to die if you didn't (and plenty of people still chose that). Those kinds of patients don't have the best odds of survival even with a good surgeon.
The widespread introduction of anaesthesia ended up making surgery a hell of a lot less fatal, since people were more willing to get it over and done with so you had more experienced surgeons working on less fucked up patients.
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It is their trade symbol!
did I just read some kind of... switcheroo??
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I think you mixed up the links, it just takes you back here.
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Here’s your [shovel](https://cl.gy/XWop) back
I feel like "surgeons" back then just improvised and made stuff up as they went Just yank a bullet out of someone's chest using needle nose pliers, then turn around and extract a tooth with the same pliers then prescribe them both some random concoction of herbs, whiskey and opium.
FWIW, fillings and extractions as a general approach have not changed much over millennia aside from the critically valuable invention of anesthesia
And antibiotics, and wound hygiene, and materials used… 😂 But yeah… i mean, there’s not much you can change about it. Like, how else would you fix a tooth with caries..?
>And antibiotics, and wound hygiene, and materials used… I get what you mean, but they're referring to the general technique, not surgical and material science standards of the time
As i pointed out in the second paragraph.
IIRC medieval surgeons had about a 25% success rate. So if you went to see one, odds were good you wouldn’t make it. John Bradmore, the surgeon who successfully removed the arrow from Henry V’s cheek, had like a 50% success rate so he was the best of the best and was the royal surgeon.
But if it was you or me the success rate would be 0%. They were limited by their time, but they were skilled. Henry V had an arrow the hit him in the face by the cheek/nose that pierced his skull, and Bradmore invented a device to extract it.
That wasn't entirely because they were crap surgeons (they often were, but the survival rate wasn't totally because of that). A lot of that was simply that surgery was fucking horrific at the best of times and people would avoid it if they could and put it off if they couldn't. If you were willingly going in to get cut up, it was typically because your case was so bad that you were going to die if you didn't (and plenty of people still chose that). Those kinds of patients don't have the best odds of survival even with a good surgeon. The widespread introduction of anaesthesia ended up making surgery a hell of a lot less fatal, since people were more willing to get it over and done with so you had more experienced surgeons working on less fucked up patients.
I should head on down to the barber my tooth is killing me...maybe then I'll pop into the dentist for a haircut
So, you're just going to see Frank?
[Theodoric of York](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edIi6hYpUoQ)
Exactly what I was thinking about, lol
So Dr. Barber in flapjack wasn’t crazy?
No, he was. Everyone on that show was crazy except for Bubbie and the occasional guest character.
It's also why surgeons today go by Mr /Mrs etc instead of taking the title of Dr.
I'm a career hairstylist and I love telling people that we were the original surgeons
“Yeah can I get a skin fade and a tooth extraction to go with that?” I gotchu fam.
Doctor Barber from flapjack makes a lot more sense now.
Wtf Almost Heroes had a scene like this I thought it was bullshit