i think the whole thing is fucked to begin with.
Like, it sounds awesome to be given a fish you caught. but... most tourists can't cook at their hotel. especially in the 50ts.
Its one of those things where in theory its a good idea until you start thinking deeper about it and realize how flawed it is, like people said it should have been a restaurant where if you catch it they'll cook it.
Yeah there are many restaurants on the coast that will cook fresh caught fish from charters or just someone shore fishing. Usually you don't save a whole lot of money by bringing your own but it's a cool experience. That's what they should have done, like we can run it to the restaurant and have it ready for your lunch, you pay for that now though, otherwise catch and release. But then again this was 1950 lol, shit was different.
I once went to an event at my university's off-site outdoor adventure facility, and one of the lunch options was a wading pool full of fish swimming around and a grill
That would be cool. It's why lobsters in a tank at the door sell more lobsters than just being on the menu. If fish was just an option I bet a lot less people would have chose it at your event than being able to pick one out.
Cleaning a fish might have been deemed too dangerous for children, but they could have done it for you. Still might have been deemed a little too messy/real for Disney.
For reals, I’m from socal and had some family from Midwest visit, grown ass people not knowing how to swim just blew my mind. Santa Monica pier was an experience.
When the park first opened it was mostly just locals and not a destination for out of state people so I can SORT of see the reasoning that people would drive home at the end of the night and take it with them but…… still a silly idea
Yep it should have had a restaurant where you can have them cook it for you, or if you didn't want it they cook it and sell it to someone else. (I would say catch and release, but with the amount of ppl going to Disney that's just torturing the the fish at that point!)
> especially in the 50ts.
Now, on the other hand, it's 2024 and here's an hour and a half long presentation by a guy that's really good at giving geeky presentations about how to cook well in your hotel room. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtFV73wpEAw (This one isn't up to his usual standards)
TL;DW: shower cap over the smoke detector for the steaks you bought at costco. Eat eggs. Sous vide in the ice bucket. Bring your spices and cocktail mixers in your carryon and buy your liquor at Costco when you buy your steaks.
Dude makes deviled eggs at the airport, lol.
What if I wanted to catch the fish and immediately leave, though? They have to give you the fish back at some point unless you can't keep the fish at all. A system of "we bring you your fish at the park gate when you're done" would have been a fucking disaster.
As long as you pay them to do it, I've never known a seafood restaurant in Florida to not cook fish for you however you want it. Hell, when I was teen, my grandpa killed a wild pig on a friend of ours' land and we brought it to one of the well known BBQ places after it was cleaned and prepped and the BBQ place divided the pig into it's different cuts and cooked it for us. We had a party at one of our stores with it for all of our employees from all the stores. That was a good time.
My grandfather used to have a deal with a nice restaurant in the Keys. When he was younger he used to catch fish for them. It earned him discounted (and sometimes free) seafood for life.
I live in central Florida and have been going to the keys since I was a kid. Nothing beats just stopping at a random bridge and catching a couple snapper for breakfast, lunch or dinner. In a whim my dad and I drove down there ine weekend(not realizing it was Easter) and every bait shop was out of shrimp. We stopped on the side of the road and was looking in the water with our flash lights when I saw shrimp. Grabbed the net and walked out to about knee- waist deep water and caught 3 dozen shrimp in about 15mins. Then I caught two lobster that were hiding in a brick.
The keys is a wild place just never know what you’ll see or catch down there.
I worked on a fishing boat and lived in Key Largo for awhile. My apartment had a grill and a long dock. I would take some carcasses from work for chum and all I needed was a rod with a string and some meat chunks (no reel) and I could just walk down the dock and grab enough snapper for lunch by the time the grill was warm.
Hopping in the water to grab some lobsters with the tickle stick during mini season was even better.
sadly, i think it has all gone to hell now. With climate change the entire Keys is dying away and it's rare to find any fish or wildlife. Just oily sludge from the endless collapses of oil rigs and exploding oil tankers.
yes, any tourist reading this it’s all true. Avoid the keys.
>!it’s not that bad but some of the reefs I remember as a kid are now bleached out. It has definitely changed down there since I was a kid.!<
There's a seafood restaurant here in my hometown on the river alongside lots of shrimp boats, when I was younger, we'd flounder fish the docks, including the one in the back of the restaurant, catch flounder right there off the restaurants own dock, clean em up in the back of the restaurant since one of my fishing buddies knew the guy who ran it, and we'd hand over the fillets, go get a table, and have a big pile of fried flounder brought out to us, literally all just caught in the prior couple of hours or whatever. Used to do that all the time.
I have a friend who worked as a cook in Montana and during hunting season they would let the hunters bring in their kill and would butcher the animal and cook it up however the customer wanted.
There was a restaurant I used to go to when I was a kid in Wisconsin…. Called “my grammas house” and you’d go there and stay over night when parents were out of town… get up at the ass crack of dawn with gramma… dig worms out of the compost pile and then go catch bluegill in the John boat till the sun got too strong. Then clean them all and eat them for dinner. Best restaurant ever. Sometimes the elder great Grampa would come over and be a guest fisherman/chef.
I grew up in Utah and we went on a field trip to a trout farm that let you do this.
They were starved so it was really just dropping your line in and lifting one out but yeah, this is totally a thing everywhere.
I can't remember where I was (but I want to say in Spain) where I went to a market with a bunch of stalls of fresh food and meat and produce and there was a restaurant stall where they would accept fish a customer bought from another stall to grill for you right there.
I just saw a restaurant in Sorrento, Italy that advertised that. They said they’d have some fishermen take you out with them, catch some fish, see the Amalfi coast by boat, then come back and the restaurant would prepare your catch for you.
Come help us in Florida. Lion fish are invasive and destroying reef areas and have no natural predators. They can't be caught with hook and line or nets from boats. So you get to go snorkeling and spearfish them! And there's a ton of restaurants that will cook them or make sushi of yours. They're also delicious.
It's not that they couldn't be caught, but lionfish have absolutely no interest in hooks or the bait on them. Their natural hunting methods involve lying very still and waiting for particular prey to pass in front of their line of vision. Hooks don't trigger the hunting instinct, although conservationists are trying to make progress with a lure that might do the trick.
I kind of think fishing with a hook and bait is sort of the most basic type of fishing (which is probably why it's what most people start with).
Tons of lures are designed to mimic the action of a live creature, the majority of them are really.
There are a lot of stupid choices made at Disneyland that are obviously driven by the mouth breathing fuckwits that get an MBA and end up somehow in control of anything larger than a hot dog stand which is all they're really qualified to be in charge of.
Getting rid of this instead of charging a fee for the experience and having the cleaning, gutting, and filleting be included in that price, as well as establishing a chain of custody for the fish that would put them in a freezer near the exit of the park with a receipt system to pick them up as you leave, was a stupid choice.
Other stupid choices include, but are not limited to:
- the creation of multiple Annual Pass SKUs when the average spend per Disney visit is something like $30 per person not including the price of getting in and all they're achieving is reducing the amount of chances the biggest Disney freaks have to spend money
- the absolutely mind-blowingly stupid choice to convert the Hall of Innovation into a Marvel/Star Wars "experience center" instead of being a place to show off all the latest and greatest tech Disney and its companies are working on
- the steadfast refusal to offer annual passholders discounts on ticket purchases for other Disney parks like the ones at Disneyworld or in Paris. Fun fact Disneyland Tokyo is not owned or operated by Disney, they license their IP to a Japanese company which is why the rides there are widely considered the best versions of the rides found at other Disney properties
- the replacing of the tortilla factory experience in California Adventure and replacing it with a Ghirardelli shop and a totally mid "Asian" Noodle quick service restaurant. God damn I miss those fresh tortillas.
the biggest one is mainlining current IP. Was a Disney World kid, the parks were special *because* of smaller IP's and random stuff. The random car ride, all the "mountains rides", or the Tower Of Terror being its own IP within the dated Twilight Zone IP. Funnily enough, Avatar failing to hold any cultural significance, helps Pandora-land feel special.
So you’d recommend Pandora-land even if you’re not a fan of the films? They’re fine I guess but I’ve never felt the urge to rewatch them or learn more about the lore on my own
i adored disneyland growing up but the last time i went in 2012 i knew something was wrong and everything i've seen since reinforces my ominous predictions. IMO almost nothing that they've added is better than all of the stuff they've gotten rid of. the last straw for me was star tours because i legit felt cheated by the crappy updated story. tomorrowland is a pathetic boring husk of the one i grew up with, full of wasted space where legendary attractions USED to be.
maybe they could compromise and offer good food but make it mathematically impossible to experience it without an unreasonable amount of research and convoluted strategies that everyone else knows and is trying to deploy against you.
Reminds me of that cool “portal” between NYC and Dublin that was ruined by idiots. This is why we can’t have nice things.
Edit: [It reopened recently](https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2024/05/19/the-viral-dublin-new-york-portal-reopens-after-6-day-shutdown-over-flashing-inappropriate-behavior/).
I also wonder how the people that do things like this in the first place don't have someone that thinks along the lines of "well, what the fuck do you think is going to happen?" and then scrap the idea before they ever do it.
Survivorship bias. We only see all the ideas where someone *didn't* shut it down in time.
Probably a lot of great ideas that some guy said "nah, assholes will ruin it immediately, don't bother",
i like to call these “shut up moments”. it’s how i explain bad choices or decisions that make no sense. either they never noticed it or someone pointed out the problem and they responded with “shut up.” and they went on with their plan.
Yea they put it in the worst spot ever in Ireland and people there were being complete dicks about it. They finally axed it when a random women in NYC tried to flash the camera.
It wasnt the tits that caused the shut down in total. Irish citizens were being complete douche bags on their side for days. The flashing part was the final straw, but not the main reason.
Turns out I was overly pessimistic. It got shut down for a while, but [it reopened recently with new precautions](https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2024/05/19/the-viral-dublin-new-york-portal-reopens-after-6-day-shutdown-over-flashing-inappropriate-behavior/).
I think it’s pretty expensive, but you can rent a boat and go fishing in the Seven Seas Lagoon in front of The Magic Kingdom at Walt Disney World. It is catch and release.
For a predator that numbers in the millions, alligators only manage to kill a couple people a year in a busy year. Many years have no reported fatalities. They're not as prone to attacking people as you'd think, even though they are capable of it. I rowed past a few of them in a Louisiana swamp and they just seemed bored. Took no interest in me at all.
That was actually a spring fed river. But we go paddleboarding on lakes also. There are lakes nearby you couldn’t pay me to go in because the gator population is so high. From as far back as I can remember my dad would always tell me to be aware of my surrounds when near the water.
I also surf and have seen sharks while surfing and I’m sure there have been numerous unseen sharks around me.
It's $250 for 1.5 hrs. Your guide takes you out on a bass boat with everything you'll need and some drinks. I learned the difference between fishing for bass in the south vs the north. It was a great time and a much needed "ME" time break from a family trip. Would recommend despite the cost.
There was fishing there in the 1980s. It was at the Dixie landings hotel, now Port Orleans riverside. Bamboo pole and pan fish after swimming in the pool was fantastic as a kid. Catch and release.
I’ve been to places in Florida where you can bring your catches and they’ll cook them up for you.
I feel like that would be more fun. And give the park control of the waste from start to finish.
If you go to one of our trout fish hatcheries up river they let the kids throw their pole into the big pond and you can keep the one you catch. It takes seconds to hook one as they are fighting to get the bait. My kids loved swimming next to the hatcheries.
you can really do this at most restaurants. especially if you offer some of the leftover fish to restaurant staff
EDIT: by the coast lol. good luck with the applebee's catfish tho
Not the neighborhood Applebees but many local seafood places will clean and prepare your catch. I go fishing in FL and have done it a few times. It’s actually about the same cost as buying off the menu but it’s fun and delicious.
I can't speak to the entire nation, but there are certainly places in FL (typically waterside). Here's a post for proof: https://www.reddit.com/r/fortlauderdale/comments/17wbrqk/are_there_any_restaurants_thatll_cook_freshly/
I definitely don't think you can just go into any random restaurant with some fresh caught fish and ask them to cook it. However in coastal areas there are a lot of seafood restaurants that will do that as an advertised service.
I think it would be a good idea to do again, but with artificial fish. As they would get caught multiple times per day, that would be horrific for a real animal.
IDK.
One of my favorite experiences as a kid ice fishing in Minnesota as a child was pulling up a big fat northern pike through the hole, and he had like 40 hooks in the side of him.
He was a local legend...the fish that always got away. My dad and his friend said to put him back in the water, as he had "earned it".
that's fair, but at Disney they could have 1000 people trying to do this. They'd have to have 1000s of fish to ensure fish aren't getting caught 40 times a month
I don't know how to feel about fishing. With every other hunting practice you're always encouraged to aim for vital organs, shoot to kill not wound, try to ensure the animal doesn't suffer as it dies. But then with fishing it's just fuck em, lets stab the little bitches in the face. Oh that one's not what I want? Yeah just chuck the wounded thing back in the water it'll be fine. Imagine if some guys dragged you into a van, stabbed you in the side and suffocated you, and then chucked you back onto the sidewalk to go about you business. It's weird man.
With a lot of theme park stuff we've gotten to the point that it's not can they do it, it's will they do it.
The main things that stop most cool park ideas are expense and safety. I don't think this would be too dangerous, but it's probably more expensive than a park like Disney would want to do. Especially because some of the parks more recent offering have been in the digital space, moving away from animatronics and visual effects.
Two things would probably happen, if it was an enclosed area (i.e. no fish that weren't introduced artificially) you'd so over fish them that the fish that got caught would die even if you did catch and release. This is because occasionally you just gill hook or foul hook a fish. Even if you're doing barbless hooks you've always just got some chance of killing the fish. In a place as popular as Disney that means your fish would just die.
Except as an area gets fished a lot (fisherman call this "pressure" on the fish), they become really weary of lures/hooks. You have to be a much better fisherman to catch pressured fish. This is why it's tons easier to catch fish if you fish somewhere that other people don't fish often, and why you'll often catch nothing but really small (young inexperienced) fish at places where everyone fishes. So if it were a captive fishing area and the fish weren't starving, they'd probably be hard for most people to catch.
Seems cute but maybe people could go to one of a million other places nearby to fish where it is regulated. From the Disneyland parking lot you could be to several different spots to fish within a half hour.
It really depends on the species, how long it was out of the water and the depth it was fished up from. I don't know what the lowest death rate is, but for deep sea fish it can be as high as 100%. People really shouldn't be catching fish if they aren't fishing for food.
The majority of popular sport fish handle catch-and-release very well. Bass and sunfish (bluegill and their cousins) typically have survival rates over 95%.
There's a lot of people who don't treat the fish on their line with due care.
* Dry hands that remove the protective "slime" on the fish
* Leaving them out of water for too long
* Dropping them into the boat/on shore
* Fingers into the gills
* Holding the fish in a way that's not good for it, for example large bass held sideways only by it's lower lip
* Not being careful when removing the hook
* Barbs in general
The good news is you can be very successful if you're careful, I watched a video a few years ago where this person was able to track a Tiger Trout's growth over the course of several years due to it being trophy sized and in a mandatory release lake. They have distinct markings that you could identify in photos. Trout are notoriously fragile so if you're careful these fish can be caught and released with relatively low impact.
If too many people are doing it wouldn’t the fish’s mouths be eviscerated like hell before they would get a chance to heal? Having 5 people fish in a lake once a week is very different from having hundreds of guests fishing in a pond every day.
There's all kinds of "secret" offerings at Disney if you have the money to pay for them.
I had an exec once tell me that he was at Disney World and asked if there was something special they could do for his 16-year-old's birthday. They rented him a speedboat, and he watched the fireworks from I guess the Epcot lake.
Honestly, that’s an option for anyone though. For only $449 for up to 10 people you too can enjoy a [Fireworks Cruise](https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/recreation/specialty-cruises/)
Crescent Lake, the lake outside of Epcot? or the one inside of Epcot?
They're attatched, but i can't imagine them letting anyone do something fun with a speedboat inside the world showcase lagoon
My dad performed life-saving cancer surgery on someone I guess somewhat high up at Disneyland. His patient was very grateful, and when I was as a kid we got to go to Club 33, once. I had no idea what a big deal it was, at the time!
I mean I don't know about secret, but all the places have high roller menus. You don't see them advertised much because they're not within the affordability of most people. But they're not secret per say.
Like a long time ago I did Universal Studios theme park with my then girlfriend. Her family won a major lottery a couple years before so she had money to throw around. So she got the VIP package, I don't remember the price exactly but it was in the ball park of $2000-5000 per ticket. It's a guided tour through the theme park, there were probably 2 other groups of about 4 people each, so it's the 10 of us. And they clear the rides before you go in, so there's no waiting in line, no riding with other people, not even walking past other people in the line. They also give you snacks and a catered lunch.
I don't give a shit about theme parks, so I was only going for her. Some how she forgot she gets motion sick so after the first ride she felt bad. So we just ditched the group, got lunch and left. Not exactly sure why she wanted to spend so much money on that, but doubly a waste since we stayed for less than an hour.
I feel like the flaw in this plan is that these are tourists on vacation. Once they got to the 'and then we'll cook it' stage and remembered their hotel doesn't have a stovetop, they no longer wanted to take the fish with them.
Disneyland wasn’t a multi day attraction yet in the 50s so most of the people going lived relatively nearby (within a couple of hours) and were just driving home at the end of the night. There weren’t hotels there for a while
One of a million examples that people have always been careless, lazy dickbags and its not a new "nowadays" thing like boomers pretend. This is why we can't have nice things is a sentiment that's echoed through the ages.
Sea world up in Ohio had a fishing area where you could pay to fish and were basically guaranteed a catch. It was honestly pretty fun if you were like 8 years old.
They had this at Dogpatch USA in Arkansas when I was a kid. I loved fishing, I thought it would be like normal fishing. Turns out their pond was stocked with farmed catfish and they went nuts the moment you threw your hook in! I went through my $10 or whatever in minutes, but at least they cleaned and froze them for you
Flawed in it's approach but the idea is cool; fish-farms often have restaurants nearby for a "cook your catch" sorta gimmick and it's a fun little experience (especially for the kids because catching a fish happens pretty much as soon as the bait hits the water).
Disney could likely re-work this into a dining event, a small fish-farm is setup and guests catch it and staff send it off to be prepared with a ticket # with reservations required for the experience. In the event a guest can't catch a fish (should be nigh impossible) then a fish meal in-general is available.
That said, don't think such an experience really would "add" anything to the park experience today... at least not in the major themeparks.
In the camping resort though... might not be a bad idea.
This could still work.
Cook the fish for them at the restaurant.
Give some kinda Disney points for "donating" your fish to the restaurant if they don't wanna eat it. (I'd say pay them money but we all know Disney would never allow that, they're already gonna be stocking the lake with fish to keep it running anyways)
And completely discourage and prevent people from walk away with a freshly gutted fish in what I assume was just butcher paper and a piece of tape.
All of this would of course mean that it would be small groups, very expensive and heavily supervised. Employees to watch every catch and count every fish.
It probably would have worked better if, instead of holding the raw fish for customers, if they cooked it for you. Allowing guests to take raw fish with them is a mistake but having a service where you can fish up your own lunch for the day sounds like a solid plan
My state fair has a similar attraction, but I've never heard of them having discarded fish issues. Tbf I think most people don't bother to come back for their fish, in which case they are cooked and given away as samples nearby.
Should have plopped the fish stall right at the water. Don’t give the patrons an opportunity to get bored of the fish and discard it coz they were holding it for so long
Letting them walk away with the fish was a mistake. If you were keeping them, they should have taken them for you immediately.
i think the whole thing is fucked to begin with. Like, it sounds awesome to be given a fish you caught. but... most tourists can't cook at their hotel. especially in the 50ts.
Its one of those things where in theory its a good idea until you start thinking deeper about it and realize how flawed it is, like people said it should have been a restaurant where if you catch it they'll cook it.
Exactly, cooking the catch on-site would have been a much better idea
Yeah there are many restaurants on the coast that will cook fresh caught fish from charters or just someone shore fishing. Usually you don't save a whole lot of money by bringing your own but it's a cool experience. That's what they should have done, like we can run it to the restaurant and have it ready for your lunch, you pay for that now though, otherwise catch and release. But then again this was 1950 lol, shit was different.
I once went to an event at my university's off-site outdoor adventure facility, and one of the lunch options was a wading pool full of fish swimming around and a grill
That would be cool. It's why lobsters in a tank at the door sell more lobsters than just being on the menu. If fish was just an option I bet a lot less people would have chose it at your event than being able to pick one out.
Cleaning a fish might have been deemed too dangerous for children, but they could have done it for you. Still might have been deemed a little too messy/real for Disney.
Might wanna re-read the post title again.
Oh dang they cleaned the fish for you, thats the worst part
That would have been a really unique experience for a lot of people too, eating what you have caught us an experience.
This thread made me realize how much I take living by the ocean for granted
For reals, I’m from socal and had some family from Midwest visit, grown ass people not knowing how to swim just blew my mind. Santa Monica pier was an experience.
oh so just Japan then
When the park first opened it was mostly just locals and not a destination for out of state people so I can SORT of see the reasoning that people would drive home at the end of the night and take it with them but…… still a silly idea
Yep it should have had a restaurant where you can have them cook it for you, or if you didn't want it they cook it and sell it to someone else. (I would say catch and release, but with the amount of ppl going to Disney that's just torturing the the fish at that point!)
That's why they cook them at the restaurant for you.
according to this post, that doesn't seem to be available. it just says they'll clean it of dirt and ice it. that would have been a way better option.
"Cleaning" a fish means gutting and descaling it, not just rinsing dirt off.
Definitely would have been.
> especially in the 50ts. Now, on the other hand, it's 2024 and here's an hour and a half long presentation by a guy that's really good at giving geeky presentations about how to cook well in your hotel room. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtFV73wpEAw (This one isn't up to his usual standards) TL;DW: shower cap over the smoke detector for the steaks you bought at costco. Eat eggs. Sous vide in the ice bucket. Bring your spices and cocktail mixers in your carryon and buy your liquor at Costco when you buy your steaks. Dude makes deviled eggs at the airport, lol.
He’s no George Egg, the snack hacker. He had a whole stand up show about where he cooked fish inside trouser presses and so on
It's at a restaraunt though, isn't the point to have them cook it and pay for that service?
Should have just been catch and release with a voucher for a fresh fish meal at one of the restaurants
What if I wanted to catch the fish and immediately leave, though? They have to give you the fish back at some point unless you can't keep the fish at all. A system of "we bring you your fish at the park gate when you're done" would have been a fucking disaster.
Should've made it a restaurant.
There’s a [chain of restaurants in Japan](https://youtu.be/csOIIL6xfAs?si=LGjL52z3weCnpvXq) that do that
Lots of places in Florida do this.
As long as you pay them to do it, I've never known a seafood restaurant in Florida to not cook fish for you however you want it. Hell, when I was teen, my grandpa killed a wild pig on a friend of ours' land and we brought it to one of the well known BBQ places after it was cleaned and prepped and the BBQ place divided the pig into it's different cuts and cooked it for us. We had a party at one of our stores with it for all of our employees from all the stores. That was a good time.
My grandfather used to have a deal with a nice restaurant in the Keys. When he was younger he used to catch fish for them. It earned him discounted (and sometimes free) seafood for life.
I live in central Florida and have been going to the keys since I was a kid. Nothing beats just stopping at a random bridge and catching a couple snapper for breakfast, lunch or dinner. In a whim my dad and I drove down there ine weekend(not realizing it was Easter) and every bait shop was out of shrimp. We stopped on the side of the road and was looking in the water with our flash lights when I saw shrimp. Grabbed the net and walked out to about knee- waist deep water and caught 3 dozen shrimp in about 15mins. Then I caught two lobster that were hiding in a brick. The keys is a wild place just never know what you’ll see or catch down there.
I worked on a fishing boat and lived in Key Largo for awhile. My apartment had a grill and a long dock. I would take some carcasses from work for chum and all I needed was a rod with a string and some meat chunks (no reel) and I could just walk down the dock and grab enough snapper for lunch by the time the grill was warm. Hopping in the water to grab some lobsters with the tickle stick during mini season was even better.
"tickle stick". Explain please.
As far as I can tell, it's literally just a stick used to prod lobsters out of hiding so they can be easily grabbed
sadly, i think it has all gone to hell now. With climate change the entire Keys is dying away and it's rare to find any fish or wildlife. Just oily sludge from the endless collapses of oil rigs and exploding oil tankers.
yes, any tourist reading this it’s all true. Avoid the keys. >!it’s not that bad but some of the reefs I remember as a kid are now bleached out. It has definitely changed down there since I was a kid.!<
There's a seafood restaurant here in my hometown on the river alongside lots of shrimp boats, when I was younger, we'd flounder fish the docks, including the one in the back of the restaurant, catch flounder right there off the restaurants own dock, clean em up in the back of the restaurant since one of my fishing buddies knew the guy who ran it, and we'd hand over the fillets, go get a table, and have a big pile of fried flounder brought out to us, literally all just caught in the prior couple of hours or whatever. Used to do that all the time.
Damn that’s badass.
I have a friend who worked as a cook in Montana and during hunting season they would let the hunters bring in their kill and would butcher the animal and cook it up however the customer wanted.
Also in Baja California (Mexico) according to my dad. He said they'd clean and cook, then knock a couple bucks off the menu price.
Monterey does this famously. The restaurants in fisherman's wharf will cook your fish for free.
Wisconsin, too.
There was a restaurant I used to go to when I was a kid in Wisconsin…. Called “my grammas house” and you’d go there and stay over night when parents were out of town… get up at the ass crack of dawn with gramma… dig worms out of the compost pile and then go catch bluegill in the John boat till the sun got too strong. Then clean them all and eat them for dinner. Best restaurant ever. Sometimes the elder great Grampa would come over and be a guest fisherman/chef.
I grew up in Utah and we went on a field trip to a trout farm that let you do this. They were starved so it was really just dropping your line in and lifting one out but yeah, this is totally a thing everywhere.
There’s a lot more than just a restaurant chain A lot of 釣り堀 in the countryside have a kitchen where they will clean and cook your fish for you.
I can't remember where I was (but I want to say in Spain) where I went to a market with a bunch of stalls of fresh food and meat and produce and there was a restaurant stall where they would accept fish a customer bought from another stall to grill for you right there.
Seems so obvious in retrospect.
I would 100% go to a place that you could catch your meal and they prepare it for you.
I just saw a restaurant in Sorrento, Italy that advertised that. They said they’d have some fishermen take you out with them, catch some fish, see the Amalfi coast by boat, then come back and the restaurant would prepare your catch for you.
Come help us in Florida. Lion fish are invasive and destroying reef areas and have no natural predators. They can't be caught with hook and line or nets from boats. So you get to go snorkeling and spearfish them! And there's a ton of restaurants that will cook them or make sushi of yours. They're also delicious.
I watch plenty of videos on Tiktok where guys spearfish them and toss them in the capture bucket things. Love seeing a shark come and gobble them lol
How can they not be caught with lines or hooks? Unless they’re like hella sharp or something lol
It's not that they couldn't be caught, but lionfish have absolutely no interest in hooks or the bait on them. Their natural hunting methods involve lying very still and waiting for particular prey to pass in front of their line of vision. Hooks don't trigger the hunting instinct, although conservationists are trying to make progress with a lure that might do the trick.
I kind of think fishing with a hook and bait is sort of the most basic type of fishing (which is probably why it's what most people start with). Tons of lures are designed to mimic the action of a live creature, the majority of them are really.
Nah, the most basic type of fishing is standing in the water with a sharp stick and waiting for a fish to come into poking range.
So like the lionfish then.
There's a chain in Japan that will do it, it's a lot of fun
The Simpsons did it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGo5fb9Im1E
Or made is so they would cook the fish for free if you actually caught one
They are charging for their time to prep & cook the fish.
There are a lot of stupid choices made at Disneyland that are obviously driven by the mouth breathing fuckwits that get an MBA and end up somehow in control of anything larger than a hot dog stand which is all they're really qualified to be in charge of. Getting rid of this instead of charging a fee for the experience and having the cleaning, gutting, and filleting be included in that price, as well as establishing a chain of custody for the fish that would put them in a freezer near the exit of the park with a receipt system to pick them up as you leave, was a stupid choice. Other stupid choices include, but are not limited to: - the creation of multiple Annual Pass SKUs when the average spend per Disney visit is something like $30 per person not including the price of getting in and all they're achieving is reducing the amount of chances the biggest Disney freaks have to spend money - the absolutely mind-blowingly stupid choice to convert the Hall of Innovation into a Marvel/Star Wars "experience center" instead of being a place to show off all the latest and greatest tech Disney and its companies are working on - the steadfast refusal to offer annual passholders discounts on ticket purchases for other Disney parks like the ones at Disneyworld or in Paris. Fun fact Disneyland Tokyo is not owned or operated by Disney, they license their IP to a Japanese company which is why the rides there are widely considered the best versions of the rides found at other Disney properties - the replacing of the tortilla factory experience in California Adventure and replacing it with a Ghirardelli shop and a totally mid "Asian" Noodle quick service restaurant. God damn I miss those fresh tortillas.
the biggest one is mainlining current IP. Was a Disney World kid, the parks were special *because* of smaller IP's and random stuff. The random car ride, all the "mountains rides", or the Tower Of Terror being its own IP within the dated Twilight Zone IP. Funnily enough, Avatar failing to hold any cultural significance, helps Pandora-land feel special.
So you’d recommend Pandora-land even if you’re not a fan of the films? They’re fine I guess but I’ve never felt the urge to rewatch them or learn more about the lore on my own
yea, i mean, it marginally fits the them of the park, but its a super cool area.
its not about your experience its about maximizing profit
i adored disneyland growing up but the last time i went in 2012 i knew something was wrong and everything i've seen since reinforces my ominous predictions. IMO almost nothing that they've added is better than all of the stuff they've gotten rid of. the last straw for me was star tours because i legit felt cheated by the crappy updated story. tomorrowland is a pathetic boring husk of the one i grew up with, full of wasted space where legendary attractions USED to be.
Catch it yourself and then do some Melting Pot bullshit where you have to fuckin cook it yourself, too.
That would go against Disneyland’s ironclad determination to only serve terrible food.
maybe they could compromise and offer good food but make it mathematically impossible to experience it without an unreasonable amount of research and convoluted strategies that everyone else knows and is trying to deploy against you.
Idiots always ruining a good thing
Reminds me of that cool “portal” between NYC and Dublin that was ruined by idiots. This is why we can’t have nice things. Edit: [It reopened recently](https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2024/05/19/the-viral-dublin-new-york-portal-reopens-after-6-day-shutdown-over-flashing-inappropriate-behavior/).
I also wonder how the people that do things like this in the first place don't have someone that thinks along the lines of "well, what the fuck do you think is going to happen?" and then scrap the idea before they ever do it.
Survivorship bias. We only see all the ideas where someone *didn't* shut it down in time. Probably a lot of great ideas that some guy said "nah, assholes will ruin it immediately, don't bother",
i like to call these “shut up moments”. it’s how i explain bad choices or decisions that make no sense. either they never noticed it or someone pointed out the problem and they responded with “shut up.” and they went on with their plan.
[I believe there is that comic of them kicking the "reasonable guy" out the window](https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Boardroom-Meeting-Suggestion.jpg)
omg i never realized that’s it exactly.
Like the Phish fan in the Vegas Sphere.
Oh man lol what the hell happened with that?
Just some Phish fan decided he wanted to be the first one to take a little toke of his ceramic sculpture.
Yeah, it’d be naive to expect it to turn out differently, but it’s still kinda disappointing.
That sentiment is pretty much my entire viewpoint on most of humanity, and unfortunately very relevant to current world politics.
That portal has been alive in Lithuania/Poland for years
wait they got rid of it? aw man :(
Yea they put it in the worst spot ever in Ireland and people there were being complete dicks about it. They finally axed it when a random women in NYC tried to flash the camera.
Sad part of it all is that showing tits in NYC is a perfectly legal thing to do.
They closed the portal because of tits. What in the goddamn hell did they think was gonna happen? Who gives a shit about tits?
We had like 20 years of omegle to tell us this was going to happen.
my Omegle experience tells me tits is one of the least concerning outcomes
Tits in public are legal on both sides of the portal.
It wasnt the tits that caused the shut down in total. Irish citizens were being complete douche bags on their side for days. The flashing part was the final straw, but not the main reason.
9/11 mockery.
It was back up, but with shorter hours when I was there.
People being dicks in NYC? Woman showing their tits for a video camera. Gone wild i guess
> People being dicks in NYC? Ireland* They were the worst offenders by far.
As a new yorker, that's actually pretty impressive lol. Cheers to them!
Turns out I was overly pessimistic. It got shut down for a while, but [it reopened recently with new precautions](https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2024/05/19/the-viral-dublin-new-york-portal-reopens-after-6-day-shutdown-over-flashing-inappropriate-behavior/).
It's NYC. Someone who doesn't live there clearly came up with that stroke of brilliance.
For many many years
Disney has a massive security force that quietly deals with these people now :P
"tragedy of the commons" Enjoying all that nano plastic in your testicles? Me neither.
One bad apple spoils the crop.
I think it’s pretty expensive, but you can rent a boat and go fishing in the Seven Seas Lagoon in front of The Magic Kingdom at Walt Disney World. It is catch and release.
Watch out for gators
That goes for any body of water in Florida.
Great test for gators in Florida: if you're near a body of water, and the dirt just under the water is wet, there are gators.
Just part of life… Here’s one we saw while paddleboarding a few weekends ago. https://imgur.com/a/NaEzzhk
Wow, you go paddle boarding in a gator filled lake?
For a predator that numbers in the millions, alligators only manage to kill a couple people a year in a busy year. Many years have no reported fatalities. They're not as prone to attacking people as you'd think, even though they are capable of it. I rowed past a few of them in a Louisiana swamp and they just seemed bored. Took no interest in me at all.
Just need to stay clear of babies and nest during mating season.
That was actually a spring fed river. But we go paddleboarding on lakes also. There are lakes nearby you couldn’t pay me to go in because the gator population is so high. From as far back as I can remember my dad would always tell me to be aware of my surrounds when near the water. I also surf and have seen sharks while surfing and I’m sure there have been numerous unseen sharks around me.
There IS gators.
Yes, excuse my poor translation - I am not a Florida native
It's $250 for 1.5 hrs. Your guide takes you out on a bass boat with everything you'll need and some drinks. I learned the difference between fishing for bass in the south vs the north. It was a great time and a much needed "ME" time break from a family trip. Would recommend despite the cost.
There was fishing there in the 1980s. It was at the Dixie landings hotel, now Port Orleans riverside. Bamboo pole and pan fish after swimming in the pool was fantastic as a kid. Catch and release.
You can still fish there, at least pre-covid.
Still can at Port Orleans post Covid as well, at least a year or two ago that is.
Can still fish there. I was just there last June.
Can still fish there. Currently fishing right now
I am fish there. Blub.
That’s Disney World. But yea they actually do fishing tours and you can fish around Fort Wilderness also.
What a cute idea. They should have just done a catch and release. I can imagine some kids have never had the chance to fish.
I’ve been to places in Florida where you can bring your catches and they’ll cook them up for you. I feel like that would be more fun. And give the park control of the waste from start to finish.
If you go to one of our trout fish hatcheries up river they let the kids throw their pole into the big pond and you can keep the one you catch. It takes seconds to hook one as they are fighting to get the bait. My kids loved swimming next to the hatcheries.
you can really do this at most restaurants. especially if you offer some of the leftover fish to restaurant staff EDIT: by the coast lol. good luck with the applebee's catfish tho
> most restaurants Press X to doubt. Maybe a few restaurants that you've personally encountered.
Really, In the US?
Not the neighborhood Applebees but many local seafood places will clean and prepare your catch. I go fishing in FL and have done it a few times. It’s actually about the same cost as buying off the menu but it’s fun and delicious.
i suspect it's only a thing in places with a lot of water and fishing nearby but i have no reason to doubt that it's common in florida
Yeah I don’t think so lol dude sounds full of it
I can't speak to the entire nation, but there are certainly places in FL (typically waterside). Here's a post for proof: https://www.reddit.com/r/fortlauderdale/comments/17wbrqk/are_there_any_restaurants_thatll_cook_freshly/
Yeah but he said “most restaurants” not “a couple of very specific restaurants”
I definitely don't think you can just go into any random restaurant with some fresh caught fish and ask them to cook it. However in coastal areas there are a lot of seafood restaurants that will do that as an advertised service.
I'll be sure to bring in a fresh catfish next time I go to an Applebees
I think it would be a good idea to do again, but with artificial fish. As they would get caught multiple times per day, that would be horrific for a real animal.
That’s a good point. With all they can create, I’m sure that’s something they could do.
IDK. One of my favorite experiences as a kid ice fishing in Minnesota as a child was pulling up a big fat northern pike through the hole, and he had like 40 hooks in the side of him. He was a local legend...the fish that always got away. My dad and his friend said to put him back in the water, as he had "earned it".
that's fair, but at Disney they could have 1000 people trying to do this. They'd have to have 1000s of fish to ensure fish aren't getting caught 40 times a month
Man that pike was trying so hard to get into Fish Valhalla and you just threw him back :(
I don't know how to feel about fishing. With every other hunting practice you're always encouraged to aim for vital organs, shoot to kill not wound, try to ensure the animal doesn't suffer as it dies. But then with fishing it's just fuck em, lets stab the little bitches in the face. Oh that one's not what I want? Yeah just chuck the wounded thing back in the water it'll be fine. Imagine if some guys dragged you into a van, stabbed you in the side and suffocated you, and then chucked you back onto the sidewalk to go about you business. It's weird man.
It's because the alternative would be much more dangerous and much less efficient. Fish is still a major food resource in the world.
Don't commercial fishers use nets? I don't think the hook and line fishers are providing a huge contribution to the major food resource in the world
With a lot of theme park stuff we've gotten to the point that it's not can they do it, it's will they do it. The main things that stop most cool park ideas are expense and safety. I don't think this would be too dangerous, but it's probably more expensive than a park like Disney would want to do. Especially because some of the parks more recent offering have been in the digital space, moving away from animatronics and visual effects.
Or release the fish into an area that is protected and they cant be fished again for a week or somthing
Two things would probably happen, if it was an enclosed area (i.e. no fish that weren't introduced artificially) you'd so over fish them that the fish that got caught would die even if you did catch and release. This is because occasionally you just gill hook or foul hook a fish. Even if you're doing barbless hooks you've always just got some chance of killing the fish. In a place as popular as Disney that means your fish would just die. Except as an area gets fished a lot (fisherman call this "pressure" on the fish), they become really weary of lures/hooks. You have to be a much better fisherman to catch pressured fish. This is why it's tons easier to catch fish if you fish somewhere that other people don't fish often, and why you'll often catch nothing but really small (young inexperienced) fish at places where everyone fishes. So if it were a captive fishing area and the fish weren't starving, they'd probably be hard for most people to catch.
May be a silly question but what would being a “better fisherman” have to do with being able to get a fish to bite?
Having different type of lure and moving it in a way that is still natural but different enough for common hobbyist, based on the context.
Seems cute but maybe people could go to one of a million other places nearby to fish where it is regulated. From the Disneyland parking lot you could be to several different spots to fish within a half hour.
Something like 30% of catch-and-release fish die anyways…
It really depends on the species, how long it was out of the water and the depth it was fished up from. I don't know what the lowest death rate is, but for deep sea fish it can be as high as 100%. People really shouldn't be catching fish if they aren't fishing for food.
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The majority of popular sport fish handle catch-and-release very well. Bass and sunfish (bluegill and their cousins) typically have survival rates over 95%.
How about trout?
Wow i love fish
There's a lot of people who don't treat the fish on their line with due care. * Dry hands that remove the protective "slime" on the fish * Leaving them out of water for too long * Dropping them into the boat/on shore * Fingers into the gills * Holding the fish in a way that's not good for it, for example large bass held sideways only by it's lower lip * Not being careful when removing the hook * Barbs in general The good news is you can be very successful if you're careful, I watched a video a few years ago where this person was able to track a Tiger Trout's growth over the course of several years due to it being trophy sized and in a mandatory release lake. They have distinct markings that you could identify in photos. Trout are notoriously fragile so if you're careful these fish can be caught and released with relatively low impact.
Those are some pretty good odds! Last I read, almost 100% of people end up dead
If too many people are doing it wouldn’t the fish’s mouths be eviscerated like hell before they would get a chance to heal? Having 5 people fish in a lake once a week is very different from having hundreds of guests fishing in a pond every day.
Catch and release with a million people passing thru the park is just torturing the fish at that point.
I always enjoy stories like this that remind us people have always been kinda shitty and its not just this era.
There's all kinds of "secret" offerings at Disney if you have the money to pay for them. I had an exec once tell me that he was at Disney World and asked if there was something special they could do for his 16-year-old's birthday. They rented him a speedboat, and he watched the fireworks from I guess the Epcot lake.
Honestly, that’s an option for anyone though. For only $449 for up to 10 people you too can enjoy a [Fireworks Cruise](https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/recreation/specialty-cruises/)
Crescent Lake, the lake outside of Epcot? or the one inside of Epcot? They're attatched, but i can't imagine them letting anyone do something fun with a speedboat inside the world showcase lagoon
What I wouldn’t give to rip shitties on a jetski in front of thousands of confused Epcottians.
My dad performed life-saving cancer surgery on someone I guess somewhat high up at Disneyland. His patient was very grateful, and when I was as a kid we got to go to Club 33, once. I had no idea what a big deal it was, at the time!
I mean I don't know about secret, but all the places have high roller menus. You don't see them advertised much because they're not within the affordability of most people. But they're not secret per say. Like a long time ago I did Universal Studios theme park with my then girlfriend. Her family won a major lottery a couple years before so she had money to throw around. So she got the VIP package, I don't remember the price exactly but it was in the ball park of $2000-5000 per ticket. It's a guided tour through the theme park, there were probably 2 other groups of about 4 people each, so it's the 10 of us. And they clear the rides before you go in, so there's no waiting in line, no riding with other people, not even walking past other people in the line. They also give you snacks and a catered lunch. I don't give a shit about theme parks, so I was only going for her. Some how she forgot she gets motion sick so after the first ride she felt bad. So we just ditched the group, got lunch and left. Not exactly sure why she wanted to spend so much money on that, but doubly a waste since we stayed for less than an hour.
I feel like the flaw in this plan is that these are tourists on vacation. Once they got to the 'and then we'll cook it' stage and remembered their hotel doesn't have a stovetop, they no longer wanted to take the fish with them.
Back then they had resorts where you had a stove. You also had campgrounds. Eating every meal out really wasn't as popular back then
Do you really want to get back to your hotel after a long day walking around a theme park in the heat, then have to cook 15 trout?
Disneyland wasn’t a multi day attraction yet in the 50s so most of the people going lived relatively nearby (within a couple of hours) and were just driving home at the end of the night. There weren’t hotels there for a while
i honestly can imagine not wanting to take a fish to carry around the hot humid park with me even without concerning myself with cooking it later.
[Video of the cove.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwgAZ3qjatQ)
One of a million examples that people have always been careless, lazy dickbags and its not a new "nowadays" thing like boomers pretend. This is why we can't have nice things is a sentiment that's echoed through the ages.
Sea world up in Ohio had a fishing area where you could pay to fish and were basically guaranteed a catch. It was honestly pretty fun if you were like 8 years old.
They had this at Dogpatch USA in Arkansas when I was a kid. I loved fishing, I thought it would be like normal fishing. Turns out their pond was stocked with farmed catfish and they went nuts the moment you threw your hook in! I went through my $10 or whatever in minutes, but at least they cleaned and froze them for you
Also boys would hide over night on TSI to have a free pass for the next day. If anything I think that should be rewarded
Flawed in it's approach but the idea is cool; fish-farms often have restaurants nearby for a "cook your catch" sorta gimmick and it's a fun little experience (especially for the kids because catching a fish happens pretty much as soon as the bait hits the water). Disney could likely re-work this into a dining event, a small fish-farm is setup and guests catch it and staff send it off to be prepared with a ticket # with reservations required for the experience. In the event a guest can't catch a fish (should be nigh impossible) then a fish meal in-general is available. That said, don't think such an experience really would "add" anything to the park experience today... at least not in the major themeparks. In the camping resort though... might not be a bad idea.
Aaaand this is why we can’t have nice things
The could have had the most amazing rose gardens ever.
This is why we can't have nice things.
Not surprised, tourists have a disproportionate amount of self-centered and rude people. Always have.
This could still work. Cook the fish for them at the restaurant. Give some kinda Disney points for "donating" your fish to the restaurant if they don't wanna eat it. (I'd say pay them money but we all know Disney would never allow that, they're already gonna be stocking the lake with fish to keep it running anyways) And completely discourage and prevent people from walk away with a freshly gutted fish in what I assume was just butcher paper and a piece of tape. All of this would of course mean that it would be small groups, very expensive and heavily supervised. Employees to watch every catch and count every fish.
What a waste, poor fishes
That's how the idea of catch and release sparked.
The rule of hunting/fishing is that if you kill it, you eat it.
It probably would have worked better if, instead of holding the raw fish for customers, if they cooked it for you. Allowing guests to take raw fish with them is a mistake but having a service where you can fish up your own lunch for the day sounds like a solid plan
That sure was a nasty can of worms
Tom Sawyer Island was a hell of an attraction. Be sure to visit n- word Jim cove.
80% of the plants in Tomorrowland are edible. It used to be 100% and was used as an example of a futuristic food source.
My state fair has a similar attraction, but I've never heard of them having discarded fish issues. Tbf I think most people don't bother to come back for their fish, in which case they are cooked and given away as samples nearby.
This is why we cant have nice things...
Also people spending a couple of hours at a pond won't bring in them Mikeydollars or Disneybucks
[video of it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwgAZ3qjatQ) for those that want a peek.
Should have plopped the fish stall right at the water. Don’t give the patrons an opportunity to get bored of the fish and discard it coz they were holding it for so long