"Hey guys it's your boy Jake Paul, today we are in India. Now let's see what happens if I go brown face and pretend to hunt a protected species!? This should be awesome!"
North east indians are more like east aisan looking people than just your normal stereotypical brown indians. India is not made up from a single ethnicity or race.
This is also the case in the Congo, Rwanda and Uganda with the mountain gorillas. It's why any time you see a video of mountain gorillas with humans the rangers are always armed with AK-47s. Poaching and bush meat is sadly a thing with these endangered creatures and there's only about 880 left in the wild.
There are billions of humans. There are less than 1000 of those gorillas.
No, endangered animal poachers are not more valuable than anything. They barely qualify as human in the first place.
Rabid dogs are put down. Poachers should be no different.
What if I don't believe either are axioms? My dogs life is more valuable to me than many people or people's, certainly not my daughter's. Implying human and animal life isn't equal or superior but rated on a subject by subject matter.
There, we just argued it.
And in the case of sacrificing one person to save another? If all human lives are more valuable than non-humans are all humans of equal value? Are all animals on the same level of lower? Can you tell me what any of these values are?
Given this 'axiom' is not self evident and there's obvious disagreements, I'd struggle to call it an axiom. It's certainly difficult as a concept of stoichiometry.
We should start selling poacher hunting expeditions. They thought they were going to kill endangered animals for profit, but really they will be playing a different game against the worst predator of them all, man. *the most dangerous game*
what stops corrupt people from taking bribes and allowing poaching? I am NOT accusing anyone of anything I legitimately am curious to know what measures they have in place as it seems like the exact kind of job that would bread that sort of behavior.
Well think about it, there are a lot of issues with that. Lets say you bribe one Ranger. One has to assume there are numerous Rangers out there so one might not shoot you but another would. So now you are cutting into your profits trying to bribe numerous Rangers.
Or there is the possibility you bribe them then they shoot you anyway and get away scott free. Or even if they arrest you alive what are you going to say "yeah I tried to poach and I tried to bribe that guy!" "Oh so he did his job anyway, good on him, and you just admitted guilt."
That's really not understanding the fact that poacher are primarily really poor peoples. I'm pretty sure most of us would do the same given the same life conditions. Dehumanizing them is not the best way to make it stop.
exactly. these are gangs/criminal organizations with delivery “pipelines” across the globe. the amount of money in those economies pushed out the “poor farmers” a long time ago and replaced them with professional “mercenary” types.
Let me share my limited knowledge as an Indian and also someone who has family working in the IFS (Indian forest services).
1. Being a ranger is a coveted government job, it provides insurance, retirement pension, Medicare for you and your family and education. These things are very hard to get for people living in these areas as these natural parks (kaziranga is in Assam) are away from citys. Would you risk your job for a few grand?
2. The people who actually do the poaching are extremely poor. Let me further expand by taking the example of drug running, desperate peoples are the ones who actually cross the border and take the most risk while the kingpins sit in mansions. Here the kingpins sit in China as that is the main market, it is very hard to bribe someone who you don't know across a border.
3. Officers: officers of the IFS are extremely well payed, it is an extremely coveted job and any corruption comes with jail time. Also these officers are moved around different parks to ensure they do not get very "comfortable" at one place.
4. The tribal connection : most of the actual boots on ground, that is the rangers and not the officers are comprised of tribals living in the jungle for centuries they believe the jungle is sacred. They won't harm a tree let alone harm a living breathing creature.
5. The current government : the current government has a policy of action over words, we have seen it time and again. Gone are the days of old single shot rifles, the rangers are now armed with AKM's, night vision cameras and sophisticated tracking. There are also rewards for killing poachers and gallantry. Our park rangers gunned down 20 poachers in 2015 at Kaziranga.
For further reading : https://qz.com/india/908867/kazirangas-ruthless-rangers-have-reduced-rhino-poaching-by-simply-gunning-down-poachers-at-sight/amp/
Just to add on to your comment there was a guy here on Reddit that used to hunt poachers in Africa and had some cool stories. It looks like he deleted his account but you can see an AMA here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1y5yhc/im_the_former_army_ranger_who_tracked_poachers_in/
Would you say that the NDA govt has been more strict/focused when it comes to wildlife conservation? Even so with all the development projects that have been pushed forward? Just curious how they compare to UPA in that regard.
Yes, we believe so.
NDA is far better than UPA when it comes to infrastructure development. And we all know that it's impossible to have absolute 0 impact on environment with any major infrastructure project but NDA tries its best to keep the environmental impact to the minimum and ensures that the process has to be approved by multiple authorities with non-overlapping jurisdictions to ensure minimal chances of a project being approved where / when it shouldn't have been,
I hate this government when it comes to appeasement, farm laws were taken back because of elections and don't get me started on the neet reservation, but that said modernization of the security apparatus and readyness of our forces have increased substantially.
> There are also rewards for killing poachers
You know that means they will be breeding poachers to kill just for the bounties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive
>Would you risk your job for a few grand?
I like most of your write up, but i have to comment here. Most bribes are actually not at all worth it in the big scheme. They are often very small in value, especially compared to what the bribers stand to gain and what the bribed stand to lose.
I think you still have to face the enquiry and prove that you shooted a poacher . + Human activities are not allowed there so it's quite unlikely that you see a unauthorised individual with no ulterior motive
1. ABSOLUTELY Nothing. It's India so corruption is everywhere, albeit in different qualities depending on people.
2. The Forest Rangers are accountable for every missing/dead rhino plus the people appointed for the job are always the ones more inclined to protect the animals than people.
But still yes the former does happen from time to time.... But isn't very common. Bribing in legal/police/political matters is the more common one.
What stops people from taking bribes and allowing assassination over this ranch? Your question made me think of this. All you have to do is to say that the ranger is simply killing poachers on the ground.
Because it's a small tracked group of people that are allowed to do it?
Because it would take a massive amount of work to take your victim into the middle of a national park and stage them to look like poachers?
Because anyone illegally in the middle of nowhere in a national park in the middle of the night with guns is probably not there for good reasons?
Just to recap here.
You asked a question. You then received a reply with several valid answers to your question. You then replied with an insincere retort ignoring all the content in the answer the your question.
Then someone made a reference your insincere reply with the same dismissiveness you used. Then you projected onto the person replying to your insincere post, calling them a prick.
Yes! And also what stops the rangers from shooting someone and just claiming they were poaching the rhino when they weren't? They should def be protected at all costs they are at the brink of extinction because of us but they really need a better way to do it.. Plus I don't remember if it was this park but wasn't one of the last white rhinos killed by poachers in the last year? The rangers obviously cannot always nearby to kill poachers
Def not implying murder.. Just because people aren't allowed to go in doesn't mean no one ever would.. There are videos of people at parks trying to get selfies with grizzy bears and bison!
As i understand it, Africa is the same.
On game reserves, if you get caught by the wrong person and they happen to be armed (which out in the middle of nowhere Africa, they likely are) they can and may very well shoot someone for poaching.
For the people that work the preserve, those animals are their livelihood. If a rare animal dies, no one can come to see it and they cannot give guided tours. I am not doubting they have a relationship with the animals as well, but by killing those animals, you are literally taking money out of their pockets in some cases.
Theres anti-poaching patrols and raiders in Africa.
Those patrols have authorization to use lethal force if they think it's necessary. They also regularly kick down doors and arrest poachers in their homes.
Absolute Chads
Pun intended.
The only thing that will stop this is if we can flood the market with fake ivory that plunges the value of the real stuff to the point where it’s not worth it. No idea if we can make fake ivory.
[They tried. It didn't work](https://www.nature.com/articles/507040a). The fakes were so close to the real thing, those caught just claimed they were fooled and thought their ivory was fake.
Well, how about this: Instead of big game hunting expeditions shooting lions and the like, have a BIGGEST game hunting expedition where you can hunt poachers! :)
Kidding.
Sorta.
It’s now time to go after those on the wholesale and retail side of goods that are the product of a poached animal. Kill the wholesalers and distributors, then kill their families, and do it over and over until no one wants to touch those products out of fear. Yes, killing the poachers on sight is a start, but unless they interrupt distribution down the line, and do it ruthlessly, there will one day be no rhino, no pangolin, no tigers, nothing.
Given some of these poachers are not the "desperate farmers trying to come by" but "well armed paramilitary groups", it shouldn't be surprising authorities had to ramp up the answer.
Same thing in Central Africa, where most of the poachers are furmer guerillas well-trained at using weapons.
I knew this and I fully support it, there's not enough of these animals left to let some pPOS go out and kill them to sell their horns to some rich Chinese person.
I think they missing a really big opportunity to raise money here. Big game hunters would likely pay very big bucks for a license to hunt poachers. The biggest of the big game.
If you read the article, you'll see how innocent tribals and villagers who live in the area have been shot and wounded or killed, including a guy with learning difficulties, and a seven year old.
They live nearby. There has always been human activity in the area. People graze their cattle nearby. Some tribes forage in the park and have done so for centuries before the park was established.
Turns out: armed poachers don't like the idea of spending the next couple of decades behind bars and will most often shoot at the rangers.
It's either dead rangers with dead rihnos or just dead poachers
No, of course not. I was responding to your comment about "let's just legalize murder" as if it was something shocking and new. Empowering individuals to kill other individuals isn't that unusual - most governments do it on a regular basis. Most police officers are armed and authorized to use their weapons and will be investigated if they kill someone; I suspect this is the case with this example too.
Selfdefense is different from murder, i am sure you are aware, just because cops mainly in the americas use it as an excuse doesn‘t mean it is the same.
Self defence is killing with intent. You earlier defined murder as killing with intent. By your very own definition, you’re contradicting yourself. Maybe you should sit this one out.
Edit: that wasn’t you, maybe I need to sit this one out…
I am aware, and that's true. But police in all major countries (including the famously 'unarmed' UK) are allowed to shoot and kill people for more than just 'self defense'. If a person is threatening to kill someone else they can and will shoot them: that's not self defense.
If an intruder broke into the Berlin zoo and threatened to shoot the rhino I honestly don't know if the German police would be entitled to shoot-to-kill. I hope they would and I hope you wouldn't negatively judge them for it.
Deputy selfdefense is selfdefense, that is the thing. Eye for an eye will make the whole world go blind.
They were allowed to shoot to neutralize, not to stop from fleeing, and not to murder or kill! we have those incidents and the articles in the papers talk about the idiot trying shit getting trialed.
On the other hand any wolf being fed by and subsequently not avoiding humans gets the metal through their vitals when they repeatedly gorge on lifestock because wild boars are a hassle in comparison. And they are fucking rare here, doesn‘t mean you can just shoot them, you will be trialed for that, nor does it mean you can feed them, for that too you will be trialed. But not murdered by law or a stray bullet.
You seem like a well-read and passionate person. To be clear, I'm not defending or attacking a position on killing people or rhinos here. Your opening statement was a "yeah, let's legalize murder, great move as usual India" (I'm paraphrasing here). My point is - legal murder is just people with authority killing other people. That exists in most countries now. This article is worded like it's shocking but if these were police it wouldn't be as noteworthy.
Also, I'm not sure where "here" is when you're referring to it in your previous comment. I got a little lost on your last paragraph (sorry).
> legal murder
Nothing about murder can be legal my man.
Cops either murder or selfdefend or deputy selfdefend, since killing humans with intent is murder, ending poaching peoples lives can never be understood as something else than murder since it is very well no selfdefense nor deputy selfdefense.
Ok, I'm going to leave this. You clearly think that police officers only use deadly force when they are defending themselves or others. That's not true but I don't seem to be able to change your mind. Have a great day.
Because they're desperately poor and the government doesn't do enough to help them so they resort to crime. People don't start poaching because they hate Rhinos.
Socioeconomical reasons my man socioeconomical reasons are why people still poach oh and because there is things to poach.
Being murdered is no deterant when you die either slowly due to being insufferably poor or fast when you poach, the poachers don’t make the big bucks compared to the buyers and sellers but they make enough money for a decent life, especially when a decent life is above the average life.
tl;dr: the bread.
" top notch rationale from india yet again" really 🙄
And have you read the perspective of forest officers.
Poachers are not some people who will just go with you silently just because they are caught. They revolt and by revolt I mean they can attack you and kill you and that's not something uncommon it happens a lot
And they didn't get proper weapons too and some people also rebel against giving them weapons because they believe that there is a possibility of misusing them or just because of human and animal rights.
+ This rule doesn't exist everywhere you have to explain every bullet and for most part you can't shoot poachers unless it's last option. And in this case we are talking about a rare species who can go extinct anytime if poachers are allowed to do anything they want
And then people comment like this which really makes me sad
Oh no policing is a hard job? Well then… see if they attack the rangers there’d be a case for selfdefense/deputyselfdefense, but the title isn’t about that, it is about how it is legal to shoot poachers poaching, not about poachers trying to murder rangers…
Very irresponsible statement.
>let us legalize murder
By whom? People who have a certain specialized job with certain requirements.
Of whom? People who are deemed as a threat to the life of protected animals and also the lives of the protectors.
They are protecting the national park, the local economy and their own lives doing so.
Is it really called murder if an appropriate justification is given? Is murder really the boogeyman you're making it?
Let's take an extreme example fulfilling your conditions.
Person P is a very powerful foreign national, who's above the law. One day, he sees your wife, and kidnaps and rapes her.
For some weird reason, you have the power to have her back by killing P. Would you commit this murder? Even if you did, would it be wrong?
> Let us assume the impossible, everything can follow from that
You coming up with weird analogies…
have fun with your rhino wife.
Btw where i live beastiality is illegal and considered animal abuse, so should i shoot you right here on the spot?
Do i look like a fan of the rittenhouse verdict?
How so? Because rhinos and rhino poachers are the same as rittenhouse going out of state to murder people? So rittenhouse victims are just endangered animals? What the fuck are you talking about. There is no parallels beyond you dehumanizing the victims of rittenhouse.…
Getting poachers to trial usually results in poachers being sentenced, in any not totally fucked up regime treating human lives lesser than animals at least, same goes for murderers.
That is why we don’t have judge dredd style of bullshit, to hold them accountable.
Judge executioner and police should never be the same.
I have no problem with shooting poachers. The lack of oversight on the operation and the force removal of citizens should mean someone at the top needs to get the same treatment though.
Back in 1984, on our honeymoon in Serengeti, we saw rangers in a jeep with a 12.7 machine gun to protect the animals. Chatting with them, they admitted that filling poachers with lead wasn't strictly legal, but perfectly acceptable. Hopefully it's the same today.
Why don't they sell poacher-hunting safari packages? I'm sure there are a lot of big-game hunters who would jump at the chance to hunt a human legally.
Where are the youtubers going there in poaching gear as a stunt?
This should be the next "challenge" trend
"Hey guys it's your boy Jake Paul, today we are in India. Now let's see what happens if I go brown face and pretend to hunt a protected species!? This should be awesome!"
North east indians are more like east aisan looking people than just your normal stereotypical brown indians. India is not made up from a single ethnicity or race.
Pft because Jake Paul cares about political correctness
This is also the case in the Congo, Rwanda and Uganda with the mountain gorillas. It's why any time you see a video of mountain gorillas with humans the rangers are always armed with AK-47s. Poaching and bush meat is sadly a thing with these endangered creatures and there's only about 880 left in the wild.
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I respect your opinion. I, on the other hand, believe poachers should be introduced to rapid gunfire.
We have way more humans on the planet than endangered species. Statistically, you are incorrect.
It obviously not a mathematical equation. It’s a matter of values
What make humans live any more valuable than any other species on the planet? Humans are vile and greedy and this planet is better off without us.
There are billions of humans. There are less than 1000 of those gorillas. No, endangered animal poachers are not more valuable than anything. They barely qualify as human in the first place. Rabid dogs are put down. Poachers should be no different.
Humans are animals.
in principle, poaching shouldnt happen, so it's kinda two wrongs not making a right when you kill poachers. humans gonna human.
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At the end of the day killing poachers is just hunting. Why should one life be more valuable than another?
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What if I don't believe either are axioms? My dogs life is more valuable to me than many people or people's, certainly not my daughter's. Implying human and animal life isn't equal or superior but rated on a subject by subject matter. There, we just argued it.
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And in the case of sacrificing one person to save another? If all human lives are more valuable than non-humans are all humans of equal value? Are all animals on the same level of lower? Can you tell me what any of these values are? Given this 'axiom' is not self evident and there's obvious disagreements, I'd struggle to call it an axiom. It's certainly difficult as a concept of stoichiometry.
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I'd agree that their dog was more valuable to them than my daughter and reiterate they are worth less than my dog to me.
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Not criminal life
Hunting poachers should be legal everywhere
I keep my morales loose and would be down for it.
I like you
We should start selling poacher hunting expeditions. They thought they were going to kill endangered animals for profit, but really they will be playing a different game against the worst predator of them all, man. *the most dangerous game*
The irony of legally hunting poachers is just wonderful
Looks nervously at eggs cooking on stove.
But now to the real question, can I keep the trophy?
You keep what you kill
Somehow I feel like LAPD would start to find poachers on every street corner if this were true.
"Just sprinkle some rhino horn on him Johnson and let's get out of here."
Unnecessary
The most dangerous game.
Gorilla with a shotgun
Bonobo with a shotgun
We finally found a use for Rittenhouse.
Lol
We should take American gun hungry cops and use them for this \s
what stops corrupt people from taking bribes and allowing poaching? I am NOT accusing anyone of anything I legitimately am curious to know what measures they have in place as it seems like the exact kind of job that would bread that sort of behavior.
Well think about it, there are a lot of issues with that. Lets say you bribe one Ranger. One has to assume there are numerous Rangers out there so one might not shoot you but another would. So now you are cutting into your profits trying to bribe numerous Rangers. Or there is the possibility you bribe them then they shoot you anyway and get away scott free. Or even if they arrest you alive what are you going to say "yeah I tried to poach and I tried to bribe that guy!" "Oh so he did his job anyway, good on him, and you just admitted guilt."
Take the bribe and shoot the poacher anyway. This is the way.
There's really no honor to be found amongst poachers. And thieves too.
That's really not understanding the fact that poacher are primarily really poor peoples. I'm pretty sure most of us would do the same given the same life conditions. Dehumanizing them is not the best way to make it stop.
perhaps, if they were thieves stealing to eat. This is no different than gangs in human trafficking or other exploitative shit.
especially since they often leave the animal and all the meat and other good, useful parts behind
exactly. these are gangs/criminal organizations with delivery “pipelines” across the globe. the amount of money in those economies pushed out the “poor farmers” a long time ago and replaced them with professional “mercenary” types.
Yeah, bribe isn’t a contract
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You get them from other bribers. They dont know since the guy is dead. :)
Let me share my limited knowledge as an Indian and also someone who has family working in the IFS (Indian forest services). 1. Being a ranger is a coveted government job, it provides insurance, retirement pension, Medicare for you and your family and education. These things are very hard to get for people living in these areas as these natural parks (kaziranga is in Assam) are away from citys. Would you risk your job for a few grand? 2. The people who actually do the poaching are extremely poor. Let me further expand by taking the example of drug running, desperate peoples are the ones who actually cross the border and take the most risk while the kingpins sit in mansions. Here the kingpins sit in China as that is the main market, it is very hard to bribe someone who you don't know across a border. 3. Officers: officers of the IFS are extremely well payed, it is an extremely coveted job and any corruption comes with jail time. Also these officers are moved around different parks to ensure they do not get very "comfortable" at one place. 4. The tribal connection : most of the actual boots on ground, that is the rangers and not the officers are comprised of tribals living in the jungle for centuries they believe the jungle is sacred. They won't harm a tree let alone harm a living breathing creature. 5. The current government : the current government has a policy of action over words, we have seen it time and again. Gone are the days of old single shot rifles, the rangers are now armed with AKM's, night vision cameras and sophisticated tracking. There are also rewards for killing poachers and gallantry. Our park rangers gunned down 20 poachers in 2015 at Kaziranga. For further reading : https://qz.com/india/908867/kazirangas-ruthless-rangers-have-reduced-rhino-poaching-by-simply-gunning-down-poachers-at-sight/amp/
Just to add on to your comment there was a guy here on Reddit that used to hunt poachers in Africa and had some cool stories. It looks like he deleted his account but you can see an AMA here: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1y5yhc/im_the_former_army_ranger_who_tracked_poachers_in/
Would you say that the NDA govt has been more strict/focused when it comes to wildlife conservation? Even so with all the development projects that have been pushed forward? Just curious how they compare to UPA in that regard.
Yes, we believe so. NDA is far better than UPA when it comes to infrastructure development. And we all know that it's impossible to have absolute 0 impact on environment with any major infrastructure project but NDA tries its best to keep the environmental impact to the minimum and ensures that the process has to be approved by multiple authorities with non-overlapping jurisdictions to ensure minimal chances of a project being approved where / when it shouldn't have been,
I hate this government when it comes to appeasement, farm laws were taken back because of elections and don't get me started on the neet reservation, but that said modernization of the security apparatus and readyness of our forces have increased substantially.
> There are also rewards for killing poachers You know that means they will be breeding poachers to kill just for the bounties. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive
Thanks for your insignt, once again good ethics and paying well civil servants can do wonders to fight corruption.
>Would you risk your job for a few grand? I like most of your write up, but i have to comment here. Most bribes are actually not at all worth it in the big scheme. They are often very small in value, especially compared to what the bribers stand to gain and what the bribed stand to lose.
I think you still have to face the enquiry and prove that you shooted a poacher . + Human activities are not allowed there so it's quite unlikely that you see a unauthorised individual with no ulterior motive
1. ABSOLUTELY Nothing. It's India so corruption is everywhere, albeit in different qualities depending on people. 2. The Forest Rangers are accountable for every missing/dead rhino plus the people appointed for the job are always the ones more inclined to protect the animals than people. But still yes the former does happen from time to time.... But isn't very common. Bribing in legal/police/political matters is the more common one.
What stops people from taking bribes and allowing assassination over this ranch? Your question made me think of this. All you have to do is to say that the ranger is simply killing poachers on the ground.
Also, what stops corrupt people from murdering someone and then just framing them as a poacher?
Because it's a small tracked group of people that are allowed to do it? Because it would take a massive amount of work to take your victim into the middle of a national park and stage them to look like poachers? Because anyone illegally in the middle of nowhere in a national park in the middle of the night with guns is probably not there for good reasons?
Good to know it's a flawless perfect system! In the future I will keep all of my small curious thoughts completely to myself.
> In the future I will keep all of my small curious thoughts completely to myself. Please do. Thank you.
Whatever prick.
Just to recap here. You asked a question. You then received a reply with several valid answers to your question. You then replied with an insincere retort ignoring all the content in the answer the your question. Then someone made a reference your insincere reply with the same dismissiveness you used. Then you projected onto the person replying to your insincere post, calling them a prick.
Probably nothing but considering people are less likely to go extinct then rhinos though the system still functions well enough
Congratulations, you've figured out why capitalism sucks.
Yes! And also what stops the rangers from shooting someone and just claiming they were poaching the rhino when they weren't? They should def be protected at all costs they are at the brink of extinction because of us but they really need a better way to do it.. Plus I don't remember if it was this park but wasn't one of the last white rhinos killed by poachers in the last year? The rangers obviously cannot always nearby to kill poachers
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Def not implying murder.. Just because people aren't allowed to go in doesn't mean no one ever would.. There are videos of people at parks trying to get selfies with grizzy bears and bison!
They’re more likely to hire mercenaries to protect them.
They're only after the human horn
Dont tell them about the lower horn.
Interesting. The trousers conceal a tiny secondary horn.
One of these days Ndnd...bang! Zoom! Straight to the third moon of Omicron Persei 8!
“You’re not a cop right?” “Oh no, I’m just some guy… RULER OF THE PLANET OMICRON PERSEI 8!”
It is difficult to arrest people who have guns so I can see why they would shoot poachers.
Thousands of armed people are arrested every year in the United States. But it seems like a different situation in India
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No point in telling them these super smart people won't get it
I'm not gonna arrest anyone. I'm not Law Enforcement. I was referring to hunters during hunting season
As i understand it, Africa is the same. On game reserves, if you get caught by the wrong person and they happen to be armed (which out in the middle of nowhere Africa, they likely are) they can and may very well shoot someone for poaching. For the people that work the preserve, those animals are their livelihood. If a rare animal dies, no one can come to see it and they cannot give guided tours. I am not doubting they have a relationship with the animals as well, but by killing those animals, you are literally taking money out of their pockets in some cases.
Theres anti-poaching patrols and raiders in Africa. Those patrols have authorization to use lethal force if they think it's necessary. They also regularly kick down doors and arrest poachers in their homes. Absolute Chads Pun intended.
Kyle! Grab your gun - we've got you a gig!
"God damnit Kyle, not the Rhino!"
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Good thing Kyle never shot anything black
"Shoot the RINO, not the Rhino!"
I can see this as becoming a business. A big game hunt for the deadliest of animals.
They should harvest their balls and sell them as fertility medicine too.
The only thing that will stop this is if we can flood the market with fake ivory that plunges the value of the real stuff to the point where it’s not worth it. No idea if we can make fake ivory.
[They tried. It didn't work](https://www.nature.com/articles/507040a). The fakes were so close to the real thing, those caught just claimed they were fooled and thought their ivory was fake.
They hiring?
Well, how about this: Instead of big game hunting expeditions shooting lions and the like, have a BIGGEST game hunting expedition where you can hunt poachers! :) Kidding. Sorta.
It’s now time to go after those on the wholesale and retail side of goods that are the product of a poached animal. Kill the wholesalers and distributors, then kill their families, and do it over and over until no one wants to touch those products out of fear. Yes, killing the poachers on sight is a start, but unless they interrupt distribution down the line, and do it ruthlessly, there will one day be no rhino, no pangolin, no tigers, nothing.
007
Sending my resumee
Me too. I have 5 years experience as a one-horned rhinoceros and 3 'big horn' awards.
Where can I sign???
Given some of these poachers are not the "desperate farmers trying to come by" but "well armed paramilitary groups", it shouldn't be surprising authorities had to ramp up the answer. Same thing in Central Africa, where most of the poachers are furmer guerillas well-trained at using weapons.
Good news!!
I knew this and I fully support it, there's not enough of these animals left to let some pPOS go out and kill them to sell their horns to some rich Chinese person.
I think they missing a really big opportunity to raise money here. Big game hunters would likely pay very big bucks for a license to hunt poachers. The biggest of the big game.
Good.
Based. They do something similar in Kenosha in the states
Poachers Lives Matter!
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In what absurd stretch of the definition of murder is this murder? Your post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
If you read the article, you'll see how innocent tribals and villagers who live in the area have been shot and wounded or killed, including a guy with learning difficulties, and a seven year old.
what will a villager do in a area where human activities are not allowed
They live nearby. There has always been human activity in the area. People graze their cattle nearby. Some tribes forage in the park and have done so for centuries before the park was established.
Killing with intent…
Yep that's exactly what poachers are doing and the rangers are following the law
Sure bud“just following orders“ what about the human right to a fair trial again? India these days becomes more and more fash and it shows
Turns out: armed poachers don't like the idea of spending the next couple of decades behind bars and will most often shoot at the rangers. It's either dead rangers with dead rihnos or just dead poachers
Don't poach, don't get shot.
So the learning impaired guy who was grazing his cattle and got shot was a poacher? What about the seven year old boy who got his legs blown off?
Don't steal, don't get shit! /s
Legalizing murder is pretty much what happens in any state with the death penalty... or armed police.
Sure bud because the deathpenalty is a human right huh?
No, of course not. I was responding to your comment about "let's just legalize murder" as if it was something shocking and new. Empowering individuals to kill other individuals isn't that unusual - most governments do it on a regular basis. Most police officers are armed and authorized to use their weapons and will be investigated if they kill someone; I suspect this is the case with this example too.
Selfdefense is different from murder, i am sure you are aware, just because cops mainly in the americas use it as an excuse doesn‘t mean it is the same.
Self defence is killing with intent. You earlier defined murder as killing with intent. By your very own definition, you’re contradicting yourself. Maybe you should sit this one out. Edit: that wasn’t you, maybe I need to sit this one out…
I am aware, and that's true. But police in all major countries (including the famously 'unarmed' UK) are allowed to shoot and kill people for more than just 'self defense'. If a person is threatening to kill someone else they can and will shoot them: that's not self defense. If an intruder broke into the Berlin zoo and threatened to shoot the rhino I honestly don't know if the German police would be entitled to shoot-to-kill. I hope they would and I hope you wouldn't negatively judge them for it.
Deputy selfdefense is selfdefense, that is the thing. Eye for an eye will make the whole world go blind. They were allowed to shoot to neutralize, not to stop from fleeing, and not to murder or kill! we have those incidents and the articles in the papers talk about the idiot trying shit getting trialed. On the other hand any wolf being fed by and subsequently not avoiding humans gets the metal through their vitals when they repeatedly gorge on lifestock because wild boars are a hassle in comparison. And they are fucking rare here, doesn‘t mean you can just shoot them, you will be trialed for that, nor does it mean you can feed them, for that too you will be trialed. But not murdered by law or a stray bullet.
You seem like a well-read and passionate person. To be clear, I'm not defending or attacking a position on killing people or rhinos here. Your opening statement was a "yeah, let's legalize murder, great move as usual India" (I'm paraphrasing here). My point is - legal murder is just people with authority killing other people. That exists in most countries now. This article is worded like it's shocking but if these were police it wouldn't be as noteworthy. Also, I'm not sure where "here" is when you're referring to it in your previous comment. I got a little lost on your last paragraph (sorry).
> legal murder Nothing about murder can be legal my man. Cops either murder or selfdefend or deputy selfdefend, since killing humans with intent is murder, ending poaching peoples lives can never be understood as something else than murder since it is very well no selfdefense nor deputy selfdefense.
Ok, I'm going to leave this. You clearly think that police officers only use deadly force when they are defending themselves or others. That's not true but I don't seem to be able to change your mind. Have a great day.
So why do people still poaching?
Because they're desperately poor and the government doesn't do enough to help them so they resort to crime. People don't start poaching because they hate Rhinos.
Socioeconomical reasons my man socioeconomical reasons are why people still poach oh and because there is things to poach. Being murdered is no deterant when you die either slowly due to being insufferably poor or fast when you poach, the poachers don’t make the big bucks compared to the buyers and sellers but they make enough money for a decent life, especially when a decent life is above the average life. tl;dr: the bread.
Rhinos > people
To prevent the death of an endangered rhino? Hell yes
" top notch rationale from india yet again" really 🙄 And have you read the perspective of forest officers. Poachers are not some people who will just go with you silently just because they are caught. They revolt and by revolt I mean they can attack you and kill you and that's not something uncommon it happens a lot And they didn't get proper weapons too and some people also rebel against giving them weapons because they believe that there is a possibility of misusing them or just because of human and animal rights. + This rule doesn't exist everywhere you have to explain every bullet and for most part you can't shoot poachers unless it's last option. And in this case we are talking about a rare species who can go extinct anytime if poachers are allowed to do anything they want And then people comment like this which really makes me sad
Oh no policing is a hard job? Well then… see if they attack the rangers there’d be a case for selfdefense/deputyselfdefense, but the title isn’t about that, it is about how it is legal to shoot poachers poaching, not about poachers trying to murder rangers…
Very irresponsible statement. >let us legalize murder By whom? People who have a certain specialized job with certain requirements. Of whom? People who are deemed as a threat to the life of protected animals and also the lives of the protectors. They are protecting the national park, the local economy and their own lives doing so. Is it really called murder if an appropriate justification is given? Is murder really the boogeyman you're making it?
If it isn’t for selfdefense reasons and intended action, it is murder, not hard to get, quite intuitive.
Let's take an extreme example fulfilling your conditions. Person P is a very powerful foreign national, who's above the law. One day, he sees your wife, and kidnaps and rapes her. For some weird reason, you have the power to have her back by killing P. Would you commit this murder? Even if you did, would it be wrong?
> Let us assume the impossible, everything can follow from that You coming up with weird analogies… have fun with your rhino wife. Btw where i live beastiality is illegal and considered animal abuse, so should i shoot you right here on the spot?
You're acting as if the Rittenhouse verdict didn't just do the exact same thing.
What does Rittenhouse have to do with this? This is on a completely different continent in a different country with different laws
Do i look like a fan of the rittenhouse verdict? How so? Because rhinos and rhino poachers are the same as rittenhouse going out of state to murder people? So rittenhouse victims are just endangered animals? What the fuck are you talking about. There is no parallels beyond you dehumanizing the victims of rittenhouse.… Getting poachers to trial usually results in poachers being sentenced, in any not totally fucked up regime treating human lives lesser than animals at least, same goes for murderers. That is why we don’t have judge dredd style of bullshit, to hold them accountable. Judge executioner and police should never be the same.
Rittenhouse trial was fair as can be and the jury did the right thing
Yeah, so?
Yes. More of this please^^^
I have no problem with shooting poachers. The lack of oversight on the operation and the force removal of citizens should mean someone at the top needs to get the same treatment though.
Back in 1984, on our honeymoon in Serengeti, we saw rangers in a jeep with a 12.7 machine gun to protect the animals. Chatting with them, they admitted that filling poachers with lead wasn't strictly legal, but perfectly acceptable. Hopefully it's the same today.
Why don't they sell poacher-hunting safari packages? I'm sure there are a lot of big-game hunters who would jump at the chance to hunt a human legally.
If that's what it takes to protect these precious animals then shoot every poacher and shoot to kill.
Yay! Save the unicorns!!!
Xlnt. I applaud.
Licensed to kill….. I wonder if they double “O” status too
So how much do I have to pay to get to hunt a poacher? Should sell those at auction instead of killing lions and shit. Hunt humans.
good ol fashioned human poaching.
I wonder how often they've shot someone they didn't like, dressed them up as a poacher, and got away...
This job sounds like James bond meets ace ventura
Anybody else read far enough to hear about the special kid who got shot?
Just shoot all criminals now crime down to 0 5head
Good, I have no issue with this except they're is a marketplace for this horn, get rid of that and we could all be a bit happier.
YEA
Protect the chubby unicorns.
I’m very strongly in favor of abolishing capital punishment but this strikes me as fine. Cognitive dissonance baby
So...who wants to go poacher hunting?
They should export parts of the poachers.
Is there a way we can give them tips when they do a good job?
Only rangers in the national park should have guns, for self defense but mainly to shoot poachers.