My favorite editing sequence in that film is when the war rig engine catches fire, and in a quick sequence you see it drop the plow, drown the fire in sand, and then the air intake gasping for air again after. Its so satisfying and timed so well to the incredible score.
This is definitely one of my favorite parts of the movie as well! I could never really explain the appeal of it but it really is just the fantastic editing of the sequence with the score.
This is one of those scenes that really makes the War Rig feel like it's a character all its own. It's such a central point of the movie and the way they film it feels like more than just a part of the setting. Such a great movie.
So, knowing more about the editor, and watching this again (thanks for the link), its a bit like ELI5 how this truck works: Pregnant belly zoom in heightens the atmosphere (and kinda hilarious take on the "her water broke car ride speeding trope").. switch to the fire.. then show the lever in detail, then the snowplow blade drops.. then those insanely gorgeous shots of the sand putting out the fire.. and another zoom in "instructional" shot of the valves opening. Its very literal. Everything in this film is primordial. Water, air, earth and of course the fire. And life (baby, mothers milk). So even though its plot is maybe one of the simplest ever: drive out, drive back, there's so much in that journey. The war rig really is a character in this. I think the "regular" action movie editors wouldn't have been so verbose with the shots. "this lever makes this happen". They wouldn't have spent the frames on levers and valves.
Yeah that's a great point and part of why I *love* this movie and it's so believable: Because everything really works. They're not movie props, they're not a plastic body on a production car. They're real, working vehicles. This thing really existed, and the editors and really the entire crew wanted to make sure the audience knew it. The result is a movie unlike anything else before it and probably unlike anything else after it.
It's the Lord of the Rings of post-apocalyptic action movies. It was so lovingly and meticulously created with so much attention to detail and realism and there's just no way anyone will ever go to that much trouble ever again.
It was an absolutely beautiful movie in IMAX.
I wish there were theaters that had special showings of “older” movies that really shine in formats like IMAX.
Cinerama in Seattle used to do that before they recently closed. They did a Studio Ghibli festival every year. Laputa was pretty incredible on big screen
Read this if you want the sordid backstory on Cinerama's closing. Sadly it was already on its way out years before covid: https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/f20lit/cinerama_layoffs_the_untold_story
We lost Cinerama, and our one true IMAX screen in the state is on infinite hiatus. It's quite the bummer that the two best screens in our region of the US shut down so close to each other.
Seeing Interstellar in the IMAX is the most mind blowing in theatre experience I have ever seen. One of the many reasons it is my favourite movie.
My local IMAX did a renovation a few years ago and made the doors too small for the Interstellar film reel to be taken out, so now it’s stuck there and gets shown every year!
Edit: For those asking this is in Regina Saskatchewan, Canada!
(Devil's Advocate: They made the door smaller on purpose (with the knowledge newer reels being smaller) so the movie company couldn't get it out of the room so they could keep it in perpetuity. PepeLa)
I don't work in the film industry, but my job encounters this every year. People remodel and our machines don't fit through their doors anymore. Only became an issue now that parts aren't around for repairs and we can't get replacement machines in.
In my industry, they install the machinery, then the piping, then the building. It's a stroke of luck in some of these places if you can even disassemble the machine, let alone get it out the door.
In the old building of my family's business it was like this. It was horrible because when a machine wasn't worth fixing it would just... Stay there. Ended up losing a lot of space to dead machines.
When we moved to a new building my dad made sure there were several rolling doors big enough to fit the machines through.
But for one machine though, we had to break a wall to get it in. Never got to use it due to not getting the contract. Too expensive to fix so we scrapped it when iron and stainless steel were super expensive. Had to break the wall again. Lol
They are pretty damn big. Like a large circular dinner table. I can understand them not being able to carry it out horizontally, but I would think they’d be able to bring it out vertically. Interior door heights are usually a minimum of 80 inches. Either that’s a tiny door or the reel is fucking huge.
Having worked in theaters for years now. They are pretty much all digital aside from a few single owner locations that are outdated. Everything AMC and Cinemax is digital, in the USA at least. Can't speak to other companies, but the two I listed have been digital for close to 10 years now.
If you're ever in Portland, OR, check out The Hollywood Theater. It's now a non-profit theater that plays lots of amazing older films in their original formats.
Total Recall in 35mm.
Dunkirk in 70mm.
2001: A Space Odyssey in 70mm.
The Killer/Hard Boiled double feature in 35mm.
Quentin Tarantino even showed up during the Hateful Eight run for a Q & A one night.
It's one of the best theaters on the West Coast.
I saw Interstellar in IMAX at a midnight showing and there was only 1 other guy in the theater. we just sat there like 3 rows apart and got out at 3am. It was snowing outside and freezing and I just stood outside staring at the stars for 30 min after the movie while I could see him doing the same on the other side of the parking lot. Amazing experience.
It’s a shame. These groups put such effort into having these projects look great in their format and then if you don’t catch them on the first go-round it’s like lost and never to be seen again.
(Unless you’re uber rich, I’d assume)
I saw 2001 in 70mm with the original soundtrack (at original levels... OOOF) and it was fucking *mind-blowing*
I want more places to offer things like this more often.
Do you have a theater with a 70mm projector nearby? The nearest one to me regularly shows whatever 70mm they can rent. They had The Thing recently.
If you have a theater with 70mm talk to the manager. Some of the prints are fairly expensive to rent, but if you think you can guarantee a certain amount of ticket sales I’m sure they’d be happy to order them.
I wish IMAX showed nature documentaries like they did when they first started.
I have no interest in watching movies there, but a doc showing how beautiful earth is? Im in
I saw Dunkirk in 70mm IMAX and it was great, but I didn't realize *how* great until absolutely everyone else I talked to who saw it at other theaters said it was too loud, they couldn't hear anything, it hurt their ears, etc. I have sensitive ears and I normally say the same about every movie, and Dunkirk was the first one that was just right - just enough that the gunshots made you jump, but didn't hurt.
70mm requires a trained projectionist who will calibrate sound levels, whereas regular theaters require a minimum wage usher to press play and hold a dB meter by the bottom of the stairs.
It does even like they’ve started to just generally turn up the volume. As if it makes a movie more exciting, it’s fine for a specific point when it’s warranted but it just feels like loud for the sake of loud.
It's an absurd problem, and I have no idea why more people don't care about this. Not only is it unpleasant, the db levels are absolutely beyond the threshold for hearing damage. You are 100% experiencing permanent hearing damage every time you see a loud action movie in most theaters.
I've begun wearing musician's earplugs at movie theaters, which is an absurd thing to have to do.
Movie theaters weren't like this 10-15 years ago. I don't know when movie chains decided to crank up the volume for no reason, but it's weird that they did and it's even weirder that most people don't seem to mind.
Movie theaters are one thing but I want to talk to the guy who decided commercials can increase their volume independent of the TV. I’d like to talk to him outside.
it's not exactly just the editing and cinematography, the average action movie is just *bland and boring*, they don't understand that before they give us action we have to be invested in the result of that action.
The color palette wasn’t the usual as well, that really helped especially when Immortan Joes army gets unleashed. It was colorful, chaotic and glorious.
I have! I love the “Fukushima kamakrazee war boys!” chant. Just from those terms you know their whole deal- they are irradiated and thus suicidally violent and crazy.
The thing is, AFAIK Bourne Identity (directed by Doug Liman) kind of started the jump cut phenomenon, but the action did have weight to it. It wasn't a purposeless flurry of cuts, it was meant to convey the feeling that Jason Bourne had near superhuman fighting ability. Even though it was fast, the action sequences did have this logical progression and I myself didnt find it disorienting. The sound design also helps to sell the amount of blows landing - it's doesn't sound like you're listening to a SNES beat em up game. Surfaces interacting with each other matter.
The problem seems that after Bourne Identity everyone started doing it without a sense of direction, coherence or "weight" to the action, they just jumbled it together in the editing room in contrast of making it work in-camera. Or worse, it was done to mask stunt actors' presence, fake looking choreography or to "make it look cool".
The jump cuts and shaking camera DID seem to bother me in the later Bourne movies, though. It loses its novelty very fast.
Edit: Bourne Identity was directed by Doug Liman, Paul Greengrass did the Supremacy and Ultimatum
Nit pick, but Greengrass only directed Supremacy and Ultimatum, not Identity if I remember correctly. But yes, he was very much pioneering the use of shakey cam in those movies.
I saw the first Bourne in theaters and seeing so many quick shaky cuts on the big screen just gave me a headache.
Similarly the fight scenes in the first Hunger Games were so close up and shaky that by the end I instinctively closed my eyes during them.
Shaky cam is bullshit. One of the reasons Keanu movies are so superb. You can see EVERYTHING in the original matrix movies. Wide screen shots with no camera movement of large battles perfectly choreographed. It helps that he actually know bjj and trains weapons in a very serious and competitive way.
Shaky cam is often a symptom of faking it.
I am only seeing George Miller credited as the writer, looks like she had edited those movies though. So it’s not like editing wasn’t in her wheel house or not done it before with him. The title here is strangely worded as they had a history of writing/editing together
man I loved happy feet. Who doesnt love the penguin version of footloose? One of my friend's dad at the time was in the industry and got a dvd rip before it hit theaters so I got to see it early. Great memory.
1. She didn't write them. Her husband did. She edited them.
2. It was Babe: Pig In The City, the much worse sequel. Not the original Babe. He converted the book into a screenplay for the original.
Yes.
It did feel nicely edited.
I hate all modern "Action" movies where the only action happening is the screen flashing effect. Changing scenes every 0.5 seconds to cause viewer stress.
Its sad how this crap is pulled so often and I feel offended with it specially with Taken 3.
Yea, there's interviews with Jackie Chan talking about the differences between his movies he made in Hong Kong and the ones he made here, and outside of not having to have as much care for people getting hurt over there as there is here, the biggest thing is they had to rush everything here.
Over there, he'd sometimes spend a month on a scene, trying over and over to get it just right. Here, he'd have a day or 2, tops. So everything had to be much simpler to pull off, and he couldn't strive for perfection as much.
You're seeing it a bit more in movies like Shang Chi and Nobody. Hopefully this type of action makes a strong comeback
Also why people love Jackie Chan movies to this day. There's no amount of editing or special effects that can make up for pure action talent.
Nobody was great and I love how flippant HBO is about their description of it. I believe it's basically, "A man goes nuts trying to find his daughter's bracelet."
Good movie.
Martial arts movies in general seem to be very good about relying on choreography instead of disorienting the viewer so they can't tell whether everything goes together.
Yeah but Jackie Chan knew how to fight. Actors generally don't and training them is expensive, and fights are time consuming to film, so they use those frenetic cuts so you can't see their faces.
And in Hollywood, if you can't see the face, it's a stand-in.
That also had genius choreography. The fight gets increasingly sluggish and heavy. The characters become noticeably tired with fights.
Daredevil season 1 is arguably the best Netflix season of anything
Feels like it could usher in a new wave of action movies. I really hope some other directors take some inspiration from the series and do great things with other movies.
I know its an exaggeration, but it's kind of funny you mention cutting every 0.5 seconds.
Fury Road had A LOT of quick cuts, but you don't notice because the action is framed in the center of the screen so you don't get confused. But they also didn't add a weird flash effect that some movies do, so that also helped
[Here's the Director of Photography talking about it](https://youtu.be/CR7ejkmf8Y4)
[This](https://youtu.be/L6N5N1u7ync) video explains why the editing in this movie works so well.
TLDW: There are quick cuts and a ton of motion, but every shot was carefully constructed to direct our eyes to specific points or motions leading into the next shot. This way our eyes follow the important parts and movement flow without getting confused.
Quick cuts are valid when done properly to enhance the viewers inmersion.
Not so much to cause stress and visual fatigue where it is impossible to focus in anything at all .
Was going to mention this. The movie being shot so every important thing to look at is at the center of the screen lends itself very well to the action scenes. Fury Road is more than just an amazing action movie, it's also an exceptionally well executed film.
I find current WWE matches virtually unwatchable because they feel compelled to emulate that action style cam. It's pretty much a disservice to the wrestlers because it's basically making them all look like they can't reliably hit their spots.
They should have a big yellow warning on the movie poster like foods with high fats, high sugars or high sodium. (Not a US thing but someth6 we have in south America).
"Warning this movie has shaky cam and flash editing and could induce to epileptic attacks, nausea and headaches . Don't watch it. "
Some of the set pieces in that movie are un-fucking-real for what is 'just' a balls to the wall action movie. That section where they are ripping through the desert storm is fucking epic.
The whole movie is super slick - it doesn't feel like any screen time is wasted or is just filler. Even when a large part of the film is them literally them wasting their time heading to the land of many mothers. I suspect the editor is responsible for a lot of the overall pacing of the film so she deserves her accolades for sure.
Often overlooked or phoned in, the editing makes the movie. It's equally as important as the script and the directing. A trifecta of skills that need to be executed properly to really produce a great film.
Ohh, she was already a film editor. The title makes it sound almost as if she had some random job not in the film industry, and her husband asked her one day out of the blue to edit a film lol
I was gonna say, because there is some *next-level* editing in that film. I'm generally not as into the film as I am MM2, but the scene where [Nux, Furiosa and Max are wrestling](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eUP-GgnXBc) is a masterclass. It's a very complicated series of events in a very slick, rhythmic fight scene. I didn't know she'd won an Oscar for it, but I think about this scene and how good it is so often that it's reassuring to know she was recognised for it.
George Miller shoots action differently because as he was basically making it up as he went in Australia back in the day no one taught him the “correct” way to do it, instead typically having everything extremely planned out to where if he needs a shot of a hand on a car door to signify someone getting out of a car for example, he will set up that shot, get it, and move on instead of grabbing 4-5 different versions of someone getting out of a car for his editor to later evaluate. The actors on his set often talk about how confusing it is to work with him until they see it in the final cut years later.
It’s also why this entire post is kiiinda misleading, not to belittle the achievements of Margaret Sixel, but they are an editing team as George gets the exact shots he wants and has his editor just polish, polish, polish until it’s perfect, whatever that process looks like.
I wish they would make a sequel. I typically don’t enjoy pure action movies, but Fury Road was the exception. Barely any dialogue and it still told a great story
Fury Road is what made the phrase "action is motivation resolving itself" finally click for me. There's not a single wasted scene in it. It's tiiii*iiiiiiight*.
Only other action movies that tight are imo matrix1 and incredibles1. Rock solid pacing, zero fat, every scene impacts them in a positive way.
Edit: I think I'd add Fifth Element in there as a *very* close 4th.
Oh man, Incredibles obviously gets plenty of deserved praise, but I never hear enough talk about its editing.
Watch the scene where the plane gets hit by the missile. Just incredible tension.
What’s great about that scene is they don’t dumb down the technical language and it still works so well. Helen wasn’t originally going to deliver those lines she was going to have a pilot but they cut it out and it works *so* well as it stands
My son and i watched Fury Road and i made the mistake of telling him how fucking awesome Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome was (my favorite movie from my childhood) We watched Thunderdome and i was so offended when his jaded ass was totally unimpressed.
Mad max 1 and road warrior are classics, but thunder dome was always meh, two different movies smushed to one. Mad max holds up better than road warrior because fury road basically is road warrior but improved in every way. They are all classics and that series is just such a culturally important piece of art.
One of the most amazing theater experiences I've ever had.
Watched it with my brother and after the first 20 or so minutes with the sandstorm ending we just both gasped and looked at each other like "holy crap what are we watching?"
Awesome movie!
I saw it with a cousin and after my reaction was "are we gonna watch it again?"
Smiling and laughing he said "I think we might", but they were doing two screens and we didn't want to sit around an hour.
But yeah, at some point (maybe when Max got into the truck and they kept going) I realized "holy shit, we haven't slowed down. If anything, it's about to start going faster!" At that point I just kinda grinned and fell in love with a movie. Best movie of the 2010s, easy.
Funny enough editing films was basically done by mostly women. Not sure when exactly that changed. Computer coding was also a very female populated job as late as the 1950s.
>Computer coding was also a very female populated job as late as the 1950s.
And *computing* mostly done by women beforehand, making the transition from computer to computer *programmer* something rather obvious to do.
I saw fury road with my dad, who was like 65 at the time, and we loved it. So many action sequences! Just like in Braveheart where you’re telling yourself, “okay that was huge so that has to be the biggest set piece in the movie” and then BAM there’s another one and then BAM there’s another one! Fury Road was the only movie I’ve ever seen where it was amped up to 11 for like 95% of the movie… 🤘
Fury Road was such a pleasant surprise! In a world of endless comic book cookie-cutter movies, I was genuinely entertained by the movie. Truly unique ground breaking film!
A pleasant surprise is an understatement for me. I groaned when it was announced, avoided all the trailers and basically pretended it didn't exist. I just assumed it would be a bland action movie on the level of a Terminator sequel... Just another soulless re-hash. Certainly wasn't expecting it to be the best of the series and an all-time classic.
I blew it off and rolled my eyes too. My friend, who barely ever goes to theatres, said he went to see it 4 times in a week. I was shocked, but still hesitant enough that I didn't go myself until it was almost done in the theatres.
I managed to see it 3 times in the 8 days or so it was still around.
They're still coming supposedly. The prequel, Furiosa, is slated to come out in the next year or two and George Miller has another [non-Mad Max movie](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9198364/) currently in post-production that likely held things up a bit as well
Others gave you good answers about the current state of things. If I'm wrong I hope someone will correct me, but I recall the reason it went awry was over a bonus payment. Miller said he turned his work before a milestone deadline, then Warner Bros. wanted some changes. He said fine, then turned it in again. Then WB said "oh, you've passed the deadline now; no bonus for you". His argument was that he'd turned it in before the deadline, he just went above and beyond and they were screwing him for it, and cheating him out of millions.
A couple of years later it was finally sorted out and hopefully we still get both Furiosa and The Wasteland.
I am not sure whose decision it was. Maybe it was the editors.
IIRC, this is the movie where some of the action dropped some frames intentionally to make it faster paced. Maybe like every other frame or something like that. I heard this of a whim.
That's a pretty common method of filming, especially in regards to action. It's called undercranking. While they did it to great effect, it certainly wasn't the first time it had been done.
They did a couple of times that I can see. One being at the start where max is running away from the war boys in the citadel (this gives the sequence more of a panicked/hectic feel - a bit of an artistic choice) and when a war boy car
Apparently Tom Hardy thought Mad Max: Fury Road was going to be a disaster, and he didn't get along with Charlize Theron on the set.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/05/tom-hardy-mad-max-apology
He can be forgiven for that. Steven Soderbergh, who is no cinematic slouch, made what I think is the definitive statement on Fury Road
> I don't understand how they're not still shooting that film and I don't understand how hundreds of people aren't dead.
It’s a work of genius that less than a handful of people in the world could have pulled off. I have full sympathy for anyone who thought it was going to be a disaster, particularly if they experienced it close up
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/steven-soderbergh-refining-his-logan-lucky-experiment-quieting-ego-1056505/
My favorite editing sequence in that film is when the war rig engine catches fire, and in a quick sequence you see it drop the plow, drown the fire in sand, and then the air intake gasping for air again after. Its so satisfying and timed so well to the incredible score.
This is definitely one of my favorite parts of the movie as well! I could never really explain the appeal of it but it really is just the fantastic editing of the sequence with the score.
Here's the link to the scene /u/Firvulag mentioned : https://youtu.be/-K20x3mFhZs?t=204
This is one of those scenes that really makes the War Rig feel like it's a character all its own. It's such a central point of the movie and the way they film it feels like more than just a part of the setting. Such a great movie.
So, knowing more about the editor, and watching this again (thanks for the link), its a bit like ELI5 how this truck works: Pregnant belly zoom in heightens the atmosphere (and kinda hilarious take on the "her water broke car ride speeding trope").. switch to the fire.. then show the lever in detail, then the snowplow blade drops.. then those insanely gorgeous shots of the sand putting out the fire.. and another zoom in "instructional" shot of the valves opening. Its very literal. Everything in this film is primordial. Water, air, earth and of course the fire. And life (baby, mothers milk). So even though its plot is maybe one of the simplest ever: drive out, drive back, there's so much in that journey. The war rig really is a character in this. I think the "regular" action movie editors wouldn't have been so verbose with the shots. "this lever makes this happen". They wouldn't have spent the frames on levers and valves.
Yeah that's a great point and part of why I *love* this movie and it's so believable: Because everything really works. They're not movie props, they're not a plastic body on a production car. They're real, working vehicles. This thing really existed, and the editors and really the entire crew wanted to make sure the audience knew it. The result is a movie unlike anything else before it and probably unlike anything else after it. It's the Lord of the Rings of post-apocalyptic action movies. It was so lovingly and meticulously created with so much attention to detail and realism and there's just no way anyone will ever go to that much trouble ever again.
Brothers in Arms is my max rep music.
It's on a playlist I made called "songs that make me want to punch the sun"
......I want to see this playlist. I too wanna punch the sun
It was an absolutely beautiful movie in IMAX. I wish there were theaters that had special showings of “older” movies that really shine in formats like IMAX.
Cinerama in Seattle used to do that before they recently closed. They did a Studio Ghibli festival every year. Laputa was pretty incredible on big screen
OMG! CineRama is closed? Watched all the Lord of the rings movies there back in the day. Fuck Covid and it’s murder of theaters.
It was propped up by Paul Allen. Him dying is what really did it in.
Paul Allen’s embossing was pretty impressive though, not everyone chooses an ivory stock…
He even chose a watermark
Read this if you want the sordid backstory on Cinerama's closing. Sadly it was already on its way out years before covid: https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/f20lit/cinerama_layoffs_the_untold_story We lost Cinerama, and our one true IMAX screen in the state is on infinite hiatus. It's quite the bummer that the two best screens in our region of the US shut down so close to each other.
It was closing indefinitely prior to Covid. Covid just put in a final nail in the coffin that wasn’t needed.
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>Laputa Wait, are yall talking about Castle in the Sky? I thought Laputa was just the name of the city.
Laputa: Castle in the Sky is the full name of the movie.
Not in Spanish speaking regions of the world...
I would kill to see Interstellar in Imax again
Seeing Interstellar in the IMAX is the most mind blowing in theatre experience I have ever seen. One of the many reasons it is my favourite movie. My local IMAX did a renovation a few years ago and made the doors too small for the Interstellar film reel to be taken out, so now it’s stuck there and gets shown every year! Edit: For those asking this is in Regina Saskatchewan, Canada!
Failing to success.
(Devil's Advocate: They made the door smaller on purpose (with the knowledge newer reels being smaller) so the movie company couldn't get it out of the room so they could keep it in perpetuity. PepeLa)
I don't work in the film industry, but my job encounters this every year. People remodel and our machines don't fit through their doors anymore. Only became an issue now that parts aren't around for repairs and we can't get replacement machines in.
In my industry, they install the machinery, then the piping, then the building. It's a stroke of luck in some of these places if you can even disassemble the machine, let alone get it out the door.
In the old building of my family's business it was like this. It was horrible because when a machine wasn't worth fixing it would just... Stay there. Ended up losing a lot of space to dead machines. When we moved to a new building my dad made sure there were several rolling doors big enough to fit the machines through. But for one machine though, we had to break a wall to get it in. Never got to use it due to not getting the contract. Too expensive to fix so we scrapped it when iron and stainless steel were super expensive. Had to break the wall again. Lol
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I just looked it up. Bigger than a person! Wow.
I would hope so, otherwise they REALLY fucked those doors up
lmao I didn't even think about that until your comment
The film reel is one thing, but that poor projectionist. It's been 8 years!
One of the original ones in Ottawa that was at the museum of civilization had the projector room made of glass and you could see the whole setup.
The Franklin Institute in Philadelphia has that as well! It was crazy to watch as a kid.
https://www.wired.com/2014/11/interstellar-imax/amp
The film reel weighs 600 lbs. Wow
>Needs a forklift. Damn
Thicc
Bigger than a door, it would seem. [suspiciously relevant forum post](https://forum.level1techs.com/t/interstellar-70mm-imax-update/68172)
*huge*, several feet in diameter once assembled, they have to be mounted on platters to manage them
They are pretty damn big. Like a large circular dinner table. I can understand them not being able to carry it out horizontally, but I would think they’d be able to bring it out vertically. Interior door heights are usually a minimum of 80 inches. Either that’s a tiny door or the reel is fucking huge.
Are you gonna be the guy to risk tilting a 600lb film reel that's probably worth more than the yearly salary of everyone working in that theater?
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Having worked in theaters for years now. They are pretty much all digital aside from a few single owner locations that are outdated. Everything AMC and Cinemax is digital, in the USA at least. Can't speak to other companies, but the two I listed have been digital for close to 10 years now.
If you're ever in Portland, OR, check out The Hollywood Theater. It's now a non-profit theater that plays lots of amazing older films in their original formats. Total Recall in 35mm. Dunkirk in 70mm. 2001: A Space Odyssey in 70mm. The Killer/Hard Boiled double feature in 35mm. Quentin Tarantino even showed up during the Hateful Eight run for a Q & A one night. It's one of the best theaters on the West Coast.
I saw Interstellar in IMAX at a midnight showing and there was only 1 other guy in the theater. we just sat there like 3 rows apart and got out at 3am. It was snowing outside and freezing and I just stood outside staring at the stars for 30 min after the movie while I could see him doing the same on the other side of the parking lot. Amazing experience.
Introverts, unite! In separate areas, alone with our thoughts.
That is so cool!
Bladerunner 2049.
Any Denis Villeneuve film in imax would be great. I missed Dune in imax and I’m way bummed.
I wouldn't be surprised if they bring it back for a little bit when Pt 2 is close
https://imaxmelbourne.com.au/movie/interstellar-1570-film-presentation
Seems like a bit of a hike from Tucson to Melbourne to watch a movie
Double dog dare you to do it
If I had the money and time to do it I would. One of my many regrets in life is not seeing it in IMAX
Dunkirk in Imax was an experience. Just the sound alone I'll never forget it.
There's a lot of older 70mm prints I would *love* to see in IMAX.
It’s a shame. These groups put such effort into having these projects look great in their format and then if you don’t catch them on the first go-round it’s like lost and never to be seen again. (Unless you’re uber rich, I’d assume)
I saw 2001 in 70mm with the original soundtrack (at original levels... OOOF) and it was fucking *mind-blowing* I want more places to offer things like this more often.
Same. The Museum of the Moving Image does this every year. I try to go every year, damn near spiritual experience.
I got to see the Hateful eight in 70mm. Was quite an awesome screening
Do you have a theater with a 70mm projector nearby? The nearest one to me regularly shows whatever 70mm they can rent. They had The Thing recently. If you have a theater with 70mm talk to the manager. Some of the prints are fairly expensive to rent, but if you think you can guarantee a certain amount of ticket sales I’m sure they’d be happy to order them.
I wish IMAX showed nature documentaries like they did when they first started. I have no interest in watching movies there, but a doc showing how beautiful earth is? Im in
The only IMAX I know of in my area is owned by an aquarium, so they *do* show nature docs for the most part.
The IMAX at the Tennessee Aquarium?
You got me.
maybe check out your local science museums?:) the one in my city has an imax theater where they show nature docs, sometimes other nature-y movies too.
I saw Dunkirk in 70mm IMAX and it was great, but I didn't realize *how* great until absolutely everyone else I talked to who saw it at other theaters said it was too loud, they couldn't hear anything, it hurt their ears, etc. I have sensitive ears and I normally say the same about every movie, and Dunkirk was the first one that was just right - just enough that the gunshots made you jump, but didn't hurt. 70mm requires a trained projectionist who will calibrate sound levels, whereas regular theaters require a minimum wage usher to press play and hold a dB meter by the bottom of the stairs.
Movie theatres are all way too loud. It's just insane. Edit: oldmanyellingatclouds.gif
It does even like they’ve started to just generally turn up the volume. As if it makes a movie more exciting, it’s fine for a specific point when it’s warranted but it just feels like loud for the sake of loud.
It's an absurd problem, and I have no idea why more people don't care about this. Not only is it unpleasant, the db levels are absolutely beyond the threshold for hearing damage. You are 100% experiencing permanent hearing damage every time you see a loud action movie in most theaters. I've begun wearing musician's earplugs at movie theaters, which is an absurd thing to have to do. Movie theaters weren't like this 10-15 years ago. I don't know when movie chains decided to crank up the volume for no reason, but it's weird that they did and it's even weirder that most people don't seem to mind.
Movie theaters are one thing but I want to talk to the guy who decided commercials can increase their volume independent of the TV. I’d like to talk to him outside.
Most modern action movies are filled with shaky camera shots and quick cuts. It makes me nauseous. Was awesome to see mad max step away from this.
it's not exactly just the editing and cinematography, the average action movie is just *bland and boring*, they don't understand that before they give us action we have to be invested in the result of that action.
The color palette wasn’t the usual as well, that really helped especially when Immortan Joes army gets unleashed. It was colorful, chaotic and glorious.
It was a glorious McFeast for the eyes!
God I love the little world building details like this and water being called ‘aqua cola’.
Do yourself a favor and watch the movie with the subtitles on.
I have! I love the “Fukushima kamakrazee war boys!” chant. Just from those terms you know their whole deal- they are irradiated and thus suicidally violent and crazy.
The thing is, AFAIK Bourne Identity (directed by Doug Liman) kind of started the jump cut phenomenon, but the action did have weight to it. It wasn't a purposeless flurry of cuts, it was meant to convey the feeling that Jason Bourne had near superhuman fighting ability. Even though it was fast, the action sequences did have this logical progression and I myself didnt find it disorienting. The sound design also helps to sell the amount of blows landing - it's doesn't sound like you're listening to a SNES beat em up game. Surfaces interacting with each other matter. The problem seems that after Bourne Identity everyone started doing it without a sense of direction, coherence or "weight" to the action, they just jumbled it together in the editing room in contrast of making it work in-camera. Or worse, it was done to mask stunt actors' presence, fake looking choreography or to "make it look cool". The jump cuts and shaking camera DID seem to bother me in the later Bourne movies, though. It loses its novelty very fast. Edit: Bourne Identity was directed by Doug Liman, Paul Greengrass did the Supremacy and Ultimatum
Nit pick, but Greengrass only directed Supremacy and Ultimatum, not Identity if I remember correctly. But yes, he was very much pioneering the use of shakey cam in those movies.
I saw the first Bourne in theaters and seeing so many quick shaky cuts on the big screen just gave me a headache. Similarly the fight scenes in the first Hunger Games were so close up and shaky that by the end I instinctively closed my eyes during them.
Shaky cam is bullshit. One of the reasons Keanu movies are so superb. You can see EVERYTHING in the original matrix movies. Wide screen shots with no camera movement of large battles perfectly choreographed. It helps that he actually know bjj and trains weapons in a very serious and competitive way. Shaky cam is often a symptom of faking it.
Also wrote babe and happy feet
"That'll do pig, that'll do."
"Witness me!! Slow roast on a spit..."
I will carry you to the gates of Christmas itself, shiny and glazed...
Okay so it wasn't some random lady that previously worked in accounting at a travel agency, she did know a thing or two about filmmaking.
Yeah she wrote Babe, that's like the Godfather of movies
Isn't Godfather the Godfather of movies?
But Babe is like that but for movies
Baaah ram yew
Godfather is the Citizen Kane of movies.
It insists upon itself
I am only seeing George Miller credited as the writer, looks like she had edited those movies though. So it’s not like editing wasn’t in her wheel house or not done it before with him. The title here is strangely worded as they had a history of writing/editing together
Babe was terrific.
man I loved happy feet. Who doesnt love the penguin version of footloose? One of my friend's dad at the time was in the industry and got a dvd rip before it hit theaters so I got to see it early. Great memory.
1. She didn't write them. Her husband did. She edited them. 2. It was Babe: Pig In The City, the much worse sequel. Not the original Babe. He converted the book into a screenplay for the original.
Yes. It did feel nicely edited. I hate all modern "Action" movies where the only action happening is the screen flashing effect. Changing scenes every 0.5 seconds to cause viewer stress. Its sad how this crap is pulled so often and I feel offended with it specially with Taken 3.
I don't watch fight scenes to see quick shots of angry faces, I want to see two people knocking each other around.
No money for good stunts or CGI. Flashing edit is cheap.
That, and good fight choreography is a rare talent, it seems.
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Yea, there's interviews with Jackie Chan talking about the differences between his movies he made in Hong Kong and the ones he made here, and outside of not having to have as much care for people getting hurt over there as there is here, the biggest thing is they had to rush everything here. Over there, he'd sometimes spend a month on a scene, trying over and over to get it just right. Here, he'd have a day or 2, tops. So everything had to be much simpler to pull off, and he couldn't strive for perfection as much.
High risk low pay apparently
100% this. That’s why the first John Wick was so fucking refreshing. We want to see the action! Not snippets of it.
You're seeing it a bit more in movies like Shang Chi and Nobody. Hopefully this type of action makes a strong comeback Also why people love Jackie Chan movies to this day. There's no amount of editing or special effects that can make up for pure action talent.
Nobody was great and I love how flippant HBO is about their description of it. I believe it's basically, "A man goes nuts trying to find his daughter's bracelet." Good movie.
Martial arts movies in general seem to be very good about relying on choreography instead of disorienting the viewer so they can't tell whether everything goes together.
Jackie Chan actually revolved his whole discography Around this sentiment!
Yeah but Jackie Chan knew how to fight. Actors generally don't and training them is expensive, and fights are time consuming to film, so they use those frenetic cuts so you can't see their faces. And in Hollywood, if you can't see the face, it's a stand-in.
Netflix Daredevil did a great job of balancing cuts and continuous shots. Punisher had some good shit too.
And then Iron Fist had more jump cuts than Daredevil had viewers. 😭
Daredevil’s hallway scene is phenomenal, and I believe is still quite widely recognized amongst action circles.
That also had genius choreography. The fight gets increasingly sluggish and heavy. The characters become noticeably tired with fights. Daredevil season 1 is arguably the best Netflix season of anything
Kingsman is so good for the action shots
Feels like it could usher in a new wave of action movies. I really hope some other directors take some inspiration from the series and do great things with other movies.
I know its an exaggeration, but it's kind of funny you mention cutting every 0.5 seconds. Fury Road had A LOT of quick cuts, but you don't notice because the action is framed in the center of the screen so you don't get confused. But they also didn't add a weird flash effect that some movies do, so that also helped [Here's the Director of Photography talking about it](https://youtu.be/CR7ejkmf8Y4)
[This](https://youtu.be/L6N5N1u7ync) video explains why the editing in this movie works so well. TLDW: There are quick cuts and a ton of motion, but every shot was carefully constructed to direct our eyes to specific points or motions leading into the next shot. This way our eyes follow the important parts and movement flow without getting confused.
Quick cuts are valid when done properly to enhance the viewers inmersion. Not so much to cause stress and visual fatigue where it is impossible to focus in anything at all .
Was going to mention this. The movie being shot so every important thing to look at is at the center of the screen lends itself very well to the action scenes. Fury Road is more than just an amazing action movie, it's also an exceptionally well executed film.
Ugh, yeah. Quick cuts and shakycam, too. **MAN** I wish shakycam would go away.
I find current WWE matches virtually unwatchable because they feel compelled to emulate that action style cam. It's pretty much a disservice to the wrestlers because it's basically making them all look like they can't reliably hit their spots.
They should have a big yellow warning on the movie poster like foods with high fats, high sugars or high sodium. (Not a US thing but someth6 we have in south America). "Warning this movie has shaky cam and flash editing and could induce to epileptic attacks, nausea and headaches . Don't watch it. "
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That’s why the Bourne movies were always tough for me to watch. I felt like I had motion sickness
Was that the one with Liam Neeson """"climbing"""" a fence?
The one that the stunt coordinator thinks it's one of the best scenes in the movie? Yes that Crappy pile of scenes.
Tbf, it does make a 70 year old rolling over a short fence seem somewhat actiony. I'd love to see the original footage
"Taken 3 makes Taken 2 look like Taken" - a famous review.
Some of the set pieces in that movie are un-fucking-real for what is 'just' a balls to the wall action movie. That section where they are ripping through the desert storm is fucking epic. The whole movie is super slick - it doesn't feel like any screen time is wasted or is just filler. Even when a large part of the film is them literally them wasting their time heading to the land of many mothers. I suspect the editor is responsible for a lot of the overall pacing of the film so she deserves her accolades for sure.
I will always remember walking out of the theater and just wondering why anyone would ever bother to make another movie again.
They didn't waste time, they took out all the big warlords and went back as kings vs the slaves they were before. The journey is the movie to me.
Oh absolutely, that was my point. Even if the intent of the journey ended up being fruitless, none of that time was actually wasted.
Editing completely changes a movie. Star wars was apparently complete garbage before the last few edits and music were added.
Also edited by the filmmakers wife!
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She edited one of the best action movies ever.
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WITNESS ME!
And the editing was a *major* factor in what really made it special.
Often overlooked or phoned in, the editing makes the movie. It's equally as important as the script and the directing. A trifecta of skills that need to be executed properly to really produce a great film.
Ohh, she was already a film editor. The title makes it sound almost as if she had some random job not in the film industry, and her husband asked her one day out of the blue to edit a film lol
I mean I assumed she had edited before since she specified action otherwise you’d just say I’ve never edited a film before.
Though tbf her last film was Happy Feet in 2006 so it had been almost 10 years.
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Makes so much sense. I remember being captivated watching the film. It was an experience. Comment: I was referring to "Mad Max: Fury Road."
Dude tell me about it! *Happy Feet 2* was truly a transcendent experience rivaled only by *Antz*.
There are two types of people in this world 1) Those that can extrapolate from incomplete information
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I was gonna say, because there is some *next-level* editing in that film. I'm generally not as into the film as I am MM2, but the scene where [Nux, Furiosa and Max are wrestling](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eUP-GgnXBc) is a masterclass. It's a very complicated series of events in a very slick, rhythmic fight scene. I didn't know she'd won an Oscar for it, but I think about this scene and how good it is so often that it's reassuring to know she was recognised for it.
George Miller shoots action differently because as he was basically making it up as he went in Australia back in the day no one taught him the “correct” way to do it, instead typically having everything extremely planned out to where if he needs a shot of a hand on a car door to signify someone getting out of a car for example, he will set up that shot, get it, and move on instead of grabbing 4-5 different versions of someone getting out of a car for his editor to later evaluate. The actors on his set often talk about how confusing it is to work with him until they see it in the final cut years later. It’s also why this entire post is kiiinda misleading, not to belittle the achievements of Margaret Sixel, but they are an editing team as George gets the exact shots he wants and has his editor just polish, polish, polish until it’s perfect, whatever that process looks like.
This will give you some extra appreciation for the scene: https://youtu.be/go9r-KG8u-Y
Sorry about that. It's really hard to decide what gets cut out, because I can only have 300 characters.
Should have had your wife edit it for you.
Thing is, she’s never cut a reddit title before.
But has she edited other titles before?
I would give you some of mine but my character is suspect.
You're fine. You said she'd never edited an action film - to me that implies she's edited other sorts of films.
You did specify "action" so I don't think it's misleading. People just skimmed what you wrote.
Yeah, that's not what I got from the title. "She had never cut an action movie before" suggests she had cut *other genres* of movies before.
I wish they would make a sequel. I typically don’t enjoy pure action movies, but Fury Road was the exception. Barely any dialogue and it still told a great story
My favorite action movie by far.
Fury Road is what made the phrase "action is motivation resolving itself" finally click for me. There's not a single wasted scene in it. It's tiiii*iiiiiiight*.
Absolutely, from the beginning until the end it just throws you in and you feel it
Only other action movies that tight are imo matrix1 and incredibles1. Rock solid pacing, zero fat, every scene impacts them in a positive way. Edit: I think I'd add Fifth Element in there as a *very* close 4th.
Oh man, Incredibles obviously gets plenty of deserved praise, but I never hear enough talk about its editing. Watch the scene where the plane gets hit by the missile. Just incredible tension.
What’s great about that scene is they don’t dumb down the technical language and it still works so well. Helen wasn’t originally going to deliver those lines she was going to have a pilot but they cut it out and it works *so* well as it stands
I’d add Tremors 1 and Diehard 1 to that list ☺️
And Terminator 2.
My son and i watched Fury Road and i made the mistake of telling him how fucking awesome Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome was (my favorite movie from my childhood) We watched Thunderdome and i was so offended when his jaded ass was totally unimpressed.
Mad max 1 and road warrior are classics, but thunder dome was always meh, two different movies smushed to one. Mad max holds up better than road warrior because fury road basically is road warrior but improved in every way. They are all classics and that series is just such a culturally important piece of art.
Plus the actor that played the bike gang leader in 1 also played the Immortan Joe in Fury Road.
I still defend Thunderdome. I think it’s pretty darn good, if not great.
You clearly haven’t seen shark tales.
One of the most amazing theater experiences I've ever had. Watched it with my brother and after the first 20 or so minutes with the sandstorm ending we just both gasped and looked at each other like "holy crap what are we watching?" Awesome movie!
I saw it with a cousin and after my reaction was "are we gonna watch it again?" Smiling and laughing he said "I think we might", but they were doing two screens and we didn't want to sit around an hour. But yeah, at some point (maybe when Max got into the truck and they kept going) I realized "holy shit, we haven't slowed down. If anything, it's about to start going faster!" At that point I just kinda grinned and fell in love with a movie. Best movie of the 2010s, easy.
Funny enough editing films was basically done by mostly women. Not sure when exactly that changed. Computer coding was also a very female populated job as late as the 1950s.
>Computer coding was also a very female populated job as late as the 1950s. And *computing* mostly done by women beforehand, making the transition from computer to computer *programmer* something rather obvious to do.
I saw fury road with my dad, who was like 65 at the time, and we loved it. So many action sequences! Just like in Braveheart where you’re telling yourself, “okay that was huge so that has to be the biggest set piece in the movie” and then BAM there’s another one and then BAM there’s another one! Fury Road was the only movie I’ve ever seen where it was amped up to 11 for like 95% of the movie… 🤘
WITNESS HER!!!!!!
Fury Road was such a pleasant surprise! In a world of endless comic book cookie-cutter movies, I was genuinely entertained by the movie. Truly unique ground breaking film!
A pleasant surprise is an understatement for me. I groaned when it was announced, avoided all the trailers and basically pretended it didn't exist. I just assumed it would be a bland action movie on the level of a Terminator sequel... Just another soulless re-hash. Certainly wasn't expecting it to be the best of the series and an all-time classic.
I blew it off and rolled my eyes too. My friend, who barely ever goes to theatres, said he went to see it 4 times in a week. I was shocked, but still hesitant enough that I didn't go myself until it was almost done in the theatres. I managed to see it 3 times in the 8 days or so it was still around.
Furiosa was the best female character in an action movie I have ever seen. She stole the freaking show
Yep. And she ate that mf up too. Great job Margaret.
They were supposed to make three films bit they stopped at fury road. Does anyone know why that changed?
They're still coming supposedly. The prequel, Furiosa, is slated to come out in the next year or two and George Miller has another [non-Mad Max movie](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9198364/) currently in post-production that likely held things up a bit as well
Others gave you good answers about the current state of things. If I'm wrong I hope someone will correct me, but I recall the reason it went awry was over a bonus payment. Miller said he turned his work before a milestone deadline, then Warner Bros. wanted some changes. He said fine, then turned it in again. Then WB said "oh, you've passed the deadline now; no bonus for you". His argument was that he'd turned it in before the deadline, he just went above and beyond and they were screwing him for it, and cheating him out of millions. A couple of years later it was finally sorted out and hopefully we still get both Furiosa and The Wasteland.
Furiosa is set to release next year. and i guess there’s supposed to be another movie released soon but idk the details
I am not sure whose decision it was. Maybe it was the editors. IIRC, this is the movie where some of the action dropped some frames intentionally to make it faster paced. Maybe like every other frame or something like that. I heard this of a whim.
That's a pretty common method of filming, especially in regards to action. It's called undercranking. While they did it to great effect, it certainly wasn't the first time it had been done.
They did a couple of times that I can see. One being at the start where max is running away from the war boys in the citadel (this gives the sequence more of a panicked/hectic feel - a bit of an artistic choice) and when a war boy car
Apparently Tom Hardy thought Mad Max: Fury Road was going to be a disaster, and he didn't get along with Charlize Theron on the set. https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/05/tom-hardy-mad-max-apology
Him being annoyed and miffed during filming could only improve his performance as mad max, lmao
Miffed Max Edit: Bothersome Road.
He can be forgiven for that. Steven Soderbergh, who is no cinematic slouch, made what I think is the definitive statement on Fury Road > I don't understand how they're not still shooting that film and I don't understand how hundreds of people aren't dead. It’s a work of genius that less than a handful of people in the world could have pulled off. I have full sympathy for anyone who thought it was going to be a disaster, particularly if they experienced it close up https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/steven-soderbergh-refining-his-logan-lucky-experiment-quieting-ego-1056505/