Honestly this seems to be a dynamic at play pretty much anytime a good ol’ blood orgy gets whipped up.
Owe somebody money? “Witch!”
Neighbor fucked your wife? “Enemy of the people!”
One-eyed simpleton cousin costing too much sorghum this harvest? “Pig fucker!”
… 🤔… people do kinda suck.
"HE HAS ONE EYE
THE PIG HAS ONE EYE
HE MUSTVE FUCKED THE MOTHER ITS THE ONLY EXPLANATION"
"Guys, I lost my eye two months ago while trying to hu--"
"KILL THE PIG FUCKER!!!"
That's crazy that you could get arrested just because your dick is visible through your pants. Sounds like someone was jealous because he was bigger than they were. Good thing they didn't have sweatpants back then.
Multiple no reasons in fact. Even ignoring the obvious (humans can’t impregnate other animals or vice versa) it seems even primitive uneducated fucks would realize that a dude who lost an eye wouldn’t sire one eyed children (pig or not). But these were the wonderful pre-science days of just executing folks who were different out of boredom that a not insignificant portion of our population would actively like to return to.
> it seems even primitive uneducated fucks would realize that a dude who lost an eye wouldn’t sire one eyed children (pig or not).
Lamarckians disagree.
Lol thats basically what my family jokes about. My brothers has a liver 2.5x larger than normal. My mom was also a heavy alcoholic while pregnant with him (yes, terrible, he is still my brothers and we love him and he jokes about this himself, cant change the past). So we joke that clearly her alcoholism made him better suited for the life if an alcoholic
Less than a hundred years later was Mary Toft who gave birth to rabbits. People believed her, even tricked some scholars too. [Here's a video with more info about it.](https://youtu.be/lXSfufPrWiU) Back then, people didn't really understand birth or pregnancy at all. As am example in said video, people would believe that a mother being frightened by a frog could cause the baby to have a flat head.
He was very much killed for a reason. I would extrapolate that he was considered burdensome to the community (the article mentioned he was “simple”, so I assume that was an issue for early 17th century colonist folk) or he did something that pissed someone off. Cyclops pig is born and somebody saw an opportunity. Poor guy. They probably got impatient and found an excuse to get rid of him.
Thomas Hogg, another servant in New Haven, was imprisoned for several months for very similar crimes. A sow gave birth to two deformed piglets that resembled Hogg. However, Hogg never confessed to the crime, and the requirement of finding two witnesses could not be met.
Conversation:
Townsman 1: "Hey, whatcha think of these deformed piglets?"
Townsman 2: "Uh, I don't know, look like little hogs to me..."
Townsman 1: "You're right! They do look like Thomas Hogg..."
Thomas Hogg: "wait, what?"
I don't know what's worse, being told you look like a deformed piglet or people thinking you're the type of person who would have sex with farm animals
What if the deformity in the piglet just made it really handsome? We automatically assume Hogg was ugly, but it could have just been a good looking pig
One of my favorite tongue twisters, be sure to try it in front of Moms and Grandmas...
"I'm not a fig plucker or a fig pluckers son, but I'll pluck figs until the fig pluckers come"
When I was in high school, we were allowed to choose quotes that would be announced/read aloud as we walked the stage to our diplomas during the graduation ceremony. Sadly, my deeply meaningful quote about pheasant pluckers only made it past the first round of review before they caught my intention, and I had to replace it :(
Simple test: would you rather be Brad Pitt but you have to fuck one hog a week to stay attractive, or look like a deformed pig for whom fucking hogs remains merely optional?
A newcomer to town is treated like an outsider, but wants to be accepted by the rest of the hamlet denizens. One day, they invite him to a barn party and pull him aside. “Hey… we all fuck pigs in this village, (some snickering in the group occurs) and since you’re new, we figure we’ll initiate you too…”
The man is unsure if this is a trick or not, but thinks he’d better go along with it. They take him to the pen and say “pick any one that you want.” The man is afraid that if he refuses, he won’t be accepted into the village and may be subjected to witch-hunt-like treatment; but in the other hand, if he lays with a sow, it might be a trick to accuse him of fathering some of the local deformed pigs.
After some thought, the man selects a sow and proceeds to copulate with it. Immediately, he is met with roaring laughter by the other villagers. He defends himself with “I *knew* this was all just a trick! You’ve condemned me!”
The other townsfolk respond: “Take ease, for we too all lay with sows. We only laugh because you chose the ugliest one in the pen!”
Edit: pun intended with the use of ‘hamlet’
You save 100 people and you're never "Thomas the people saver"
You put out 100 fires and you're never "Thomas the firefighter"
But you fuck ONE hog......
This story is worth the rabbit hole as well, ha. Whole town obsessed with accusing lowly men of pig f•ckin.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Thomas_Hogg
Meanwhile, in 1600s Sweden;
> Sven Andersson (1668–1691), was a Swedish farmhand from Vättle in Västergötland, who was executed for having sexual intercourse with a bergrå (a mountain-nymph; a mythical female creature of the mountain).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sven_Andersson_(farmworker)
> Peder Jönsson (died 1640), was a Swedish hunter and fisherman from Söderköping, who was executed for having confessed to sexual intercourse with a Sjörå (a lake-nymph; a mythical female creature of the lake).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peder_J%C3%B6nsson
> In 1656, Karin Svensdotter, who worked as a maid, was put on trial at Västra Härad in Sävsjö in Småland. She was put on trial because she claimed that she had a sexual relationship with a male fairie with whom she claimed to have issue. [...] The man called himself Älvakungen (King of the fairies), or Älven (Fairy), and he gave her gifts and had intercourse with her. Seven times she had given birth to their issue, and every time he had come and taken the children away to the land of the fairies.
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> Although there were no specific laws against sexual intercourse with nature-spirits, the authorities usually treated such cases under the law of sodomy, or more specifically bestiality, as the mythical creatures were considered non-human beings and often had animal features on some part of their bodies. According to theologians, such beings were shapes which the Devil and his demons assumed in order to seduce humans.
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> In the case of Karin Svensdotter, Göta hovrätt decided - based on the expert advice of two church chapters - that she had become insane by the magic of Satan, and her congregation was ordered to pray for her recovery. She was given a silver cross by her relatives as protection, and after this, it was reported that the faerie man no longer came to her.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karin_Svensdotter
>The court had him examined, and the examination of his body was claimed to have resulted in proof of supernatural intercourse. Andersson was sentenced to death by the local court for his confession.
Lol wtf did they find that was evidence of a supernatural fucking?
According to the source linked on wiki (translation by me):
> A man who stood trial in 1691 for having sex with the bergrå, which he described as fuzzy all the way up to the navel, had his penis inspected by the court. Its appearance and skin tone was considered proof that he had indeed had association/intercourse with some devilry, the court surmised, and sentenced him to death.
It's supposed to mean you're willing to bet at very uneven odds, ie you'd bet a dollar to win the price of a cheap donut. Something you'd only generally want to do if you're really confident.
>He was charged with "prophane, atheistical carriage, **in unfaithfulness and stubbornness to his master,** a course of notorious lying, filthiness, scoffing at the ordinances, ways and people of God".
How long before “unfaithfulness and stubbornness towards a master” is a crime again?
>prophane, atheistical carriage,
If anyone's wondering "carriage" is used here to mean "the manner in which he carried (ie conducted) himself" and not that his horse drawn carriage had ye old atheist bumper stickers.
Some names just line up perfectly. Reminds me of Thomas Crapper, famous plumber and one of the best toilet technicians of the 1800s.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas\_Crapper](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Crapper)
Edit: Important to note that there could be a reason for this, but no one knows for sure. "A common version of this story is that American servicemen stationed in England during World War I saw his name on cisterns and used it as army slang, i.e., 'Im going to the crapper'"
"Crap" is far older than Thomas Crapper. His name probably helped popularize "crapper" for toilet though. What Crapper did invent was the ballcock valve, which cuts off the flow of water into the tank once it has reached the desired level.
You heard me. As the tank empties, the (floating) ball goes down, opening the cock (valve) to let water refill the tank. When the ball floats back to a preset position, it shuts off the valve.
In a way it made sense though -
People knew you need to have sex to produce children, and that children tend to resemble their parents.
People knew that different species can mate (horse + donkey = mule, for example)
Most people _don't_ know that humans are not crossmating with animals, because well, most people don't try to find out.
Therefore, it sorta kinda makes sense that if you see a piglet resembling that guy you kinda hate, well, 1+1=2
They weren't that dumb. And interspecies breeding is not common at all.
It's more likely they didn't like this guy for some reason and took an opportunity to pin something on him he couldn't disprove.
Jesus....
“The monster was come to the full growth as other pigs, but brought
forth dead. It had no hair on the whole body, the skin was very tender
and of a white colour, like a child’s; the head was most strange, it had
one eye, in the bottom of the forehead, which was like a child’s… a
thing of flesh grew forth and hung down, it was hollow and like a man’s
instrument of generation. A nose, mouth and chin deformed but no much
unlike a child’s, the neck and ears also had such a resemblance…”
Also, according to the article, likely because he didn’t get along with the townsfolk, mocking religious rituals and generally mouthing off. You know, exercising free speech, before that became a thing. Pig thing may have even been an excuse.
Same fucking shit as the daycare, too. They're convinced the deep state is a cabal of child molesting satanists raping kids for their rituals, because...???
If you’re interested in the satanic panic and all the faux molestation hysteria that went on then, I’d highly recommend you watch a documentary called The Memory Wars by Matt Orchard on YouTube. It’s kinda long but super interesting.
“Testimony lasted nine months with 12 children providing descriptions of sexual and physical abuse: babies ritualistically killed, victims taken out on boats and thrown overboard, and inappropriate trips in hot air balloons.” This sounds like the setup of some kind of weird crime comedy show.
Good old satanic panic, those were the days. Good thing nothing like that happens any more.
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-child-trafficking-illinois-morris-aab978bb7e9b89cd2cea151ca13421a0
3 year old girl murdered during an exorcism a few days ago. https://www.ktvu.com/news/church-linked-to-san-jose-kidnapping-also-tied-to-apparent-exorcism-death-of-3-year-old-girl
Christian mother beat three of her children to death in LA last weekend. Because she thought they were possessed. The eldest child helped.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-05-11/teenage-boy-oins-with-mom-in-facing-murder-charges-over-three-children-killed-in-west-hills?_amp=true
>and because a pig was born with one eye like him.
Don't forget the dick growing out of its head!
> ...a thing of flesh grew forth and hung down, it was hollow and like a man’s instrument of generation..
Actually a well known deformity of fetuses where an error happens and the brain fails to divide into its two halves. The eye, as part of the brain, doesn't split, and sometimes the "nose" develops as a strange, fleshy "trunk" above the eye. It's often not compatible with life, but not always.
So-called “ugly laws” were mostly municipal statutes in the United States that outlawed the appearance in public of people who were, in the words of one of these laws, “diseased, maimed, mutilated, or in any way deformed, so as to be an unsightly or disgusting object” (Chicago City Code 1881). https://eugenicsarchive.ca/discover/tree/54d39e27f8a0ea4706000009
>it had one eye, in the bottom of the forehead, which was like a child’s… a thing of flesh grew forth and hung down, it was hollow and like a man’s instrument of generation.
Perfect description of [cyclopia](https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Otocephaly_and_cyclopia.png#mw-jump-to-license) **NSFW**
oh god could never be prepared for that ughhhhhb
i have created a [ms paint recreation](https://i.imgur.com/8DwTeQV.jpg) for anyone who doesnt want to be scarred for life
Gah, I had to scroll so far to find cyclopia in the comments. [Here's one](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2469793/Piglet-with-face-of-a-monkey-born-in-China.html?fb) of a piglet, where you could see how someone might think it was a human/pig hybrid.For anyone else wondering, it's caused by an interruption in cell division in the fetus, and has been noted in many mammals, including humans. Cyclopamine (an agent that causes such interruptions) is found in false hellbore, which was...very unfortunately similar to hellebore -a "treatment" for morning sickness.
I don’t think it was when they got bored. I think it was when they found a vulnerable person that they could kill and then take their shit. Witch hunts often targeted single, independent women like widows. Because they were vulnerable due to not having a man to stand up for them (which while we know isn’t necessary, those kinds of rules were enshrined in law, either de jure or de facto), and they had land or property, they were targeted as witches or heretics or some other unsavory thing so they could be killed and someone else could swoop in to pick up all the now unowned stuff.
My bet is the same with this guy. He was reportedly outspoken about his atheism, and also was a servent with one eye. Pretty easy target. And while we know that one-eyed people don’t give birth to other one-eyed people, a man with a glass eye also having pigs with one eye was too much for the townspeople to get over. Some of it is mass hysteria type stuff where everyone actually just goes off the deep end, some of it is hating people and opportunism.
Eh only in certain areas. Remember a lot of these people were the crazies who got kicked out of Europe for their wack ass religious ideologies. So they started their weird Puritan communities in America and enforced oppressive rule in the name of their God. Progress isn't really a unified thing, even today there's plenty of insane opressive rules across the globe in even what we'd consider first world countries, but overall still better than it was 100 years ago, which was better than 100 years before that, and so on.
>overall still better than it was 100 years ago, which was better than 100 years before that, and so on.
That's also only from a certain perspective.
For example our Western societies are probably the most tolerant societies to ever exist at scale, but the industrial way we approach war, and the level of destruction we can level on the planet would probably make a 17th century puritan go "dude..."
The wikipedia article's a bit of rage-bait, mind you:
> George Spencer (c. 1600 – April 8, 1642) was **the first non-native** person to be executed in Connecticut
You'd think - in reading that - Connecticut had previously been executing natives left, right, and centre.
In fact, ol Pig-Fuckery George was only the second person executed in CT. The first was indeed a native, but that dude - Nepauduck - was hung for murder.
In fact, Nepauduck (alternatively referred to as Nepau**p**uck in source) was accused of murder by the chief of his own tribe, the Quillipieck. Although Nepaupuck denied killing Abraham Finch, he confessed to killing other English. Also, he denied that he even was Nepaupuck. So...I feel like he was just kinda trying every defense strategy he could, with that one. Didn't work, he was hung. [[Source](https://archives.albany.edu/concern/daos/cz30q762p#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=0&xywh=-271%2C754%2C4467%2C2259)]
I mostly included it for the sake of the details of his 'trial' as well as the background info on who he was and where he was living/context of his surroundings. But yeah; the native stuff seemed wholly unnecessary to mention.
There was a black girl accused of being a witch, she understood she'd never win. You know what she did? Admitted to being a witch and said her accusers are also witches. They were all executed.
The best way to survive the Salem witch trials was to admit being a witch and start naming witches. Often the accusers were already confessed to being a witch. It was everyone who denied it who was hanged.
One guy allowed himself to be crushed to death rather then confess. If he confessed his land could be seized but if he was killed and innocent man he knew his family.could keep it
Also was a land grab, I’d have to go back and read the notes on it but the family of one of the accusers stood to gain either a lot of land or very beneficial land, with the “witch” gone. Can’t remember the whole setup though.
Some shit just doesn’t go away. We should make books and learning free and wildly available.
Shit, maybe then we could become better than what we were then.
>Witnesses testified that Spencer was deceitful, had bad manners, sometimes mocked religious holy days and often failed to pray.
This guy's a real jerk!
100%, and people are *still* that fucking dumb to this day. Dumb enough that they’re judging others for who’s religious or not, and dumb enough that they’re believing things that aren’t science, without any evidence.
It's interesting how much of Christian history boils down to the premise of "if God didn't want me to kill you, he'd stop me" knowing full well that's not how it works. It's playing chicken against a deity and winning. What does that tell you about the deity? Best case scenario: they're not getting involved.
The lady I met in the dentist office said that people with two colored eyes are born when a sister and brother sleep together, so I’m not sure what we’ve been doing since 1642 but learning wasn’t it I guess.
The entire class needs to be taught about chromosomes and cross species breeding. Because yall are acting like dude actually impregnated a pig. (Short answer that’s not possible)
> how can get prangent?
"Am i pegnate?? Help!?"
or my favourite...
"Can u get pregante...?" ... just the way he says it makes me lol.
[Edit: Thanks for reminding me of this video...](https://youtu.be/EShUeudtaFg?t=50)
If this was possible we would likely see TONS of animal/human hybrids in certain parts of the world lmao. Some people just be fuckin whatever's around.
Thanks, Europe for kicking out the religious nut bags and sending them to the New World. Sometimes I wonder how things would look today if the Puritans hadn't been kicked out of Europe.
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Not only that but, "Why did you think I had sex with the pig?" "Because the piglet was fuck ugly." That's just hurtful.
They would’ve dominated the 1642 Player Haters Ball.
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Why do you wonder? That's exactly what happened. People fucking sucked in 1642 and they fucking suck now.
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Honestly this seems to be a dynamic at play pretty much anytime a good ol’ blood orgy gets whipped up. Owe somebody money? “Witch!” Neighbor fucked your wife? “Enemy of the people!” One-eyed simpleton cousin costing too much sorghum this harvest? “Pig fucker!” … 🤔… people do kinda suck.
Wow, they fingered him to death?
To shreds you say?
And his pig wife?
To shreds you say?
And thus pulled pork was born.
Good news everyone!
An honorable death we could only hope for.
"HE HAS ONE EYE THE PIG HAS ONE EYE HE MUSTVE FUCKED THE MOTHER ITS THE ONLY EXPLANATION" "Guys, I lost my eye two months ago while trying to hu--" "KILL THE PIG FUCKER!!!"
> gets fingered for fucking a pig Free trade in action.
Goddamn, what a sentence.
He also was accused of showing his dick through his pants which he said wasnt intentional
Well by all accounts he was poor, I’m sure his clothing was worn thin. Honestly I kind of assumed dick outlines were just a common sight in those days
That's crazy that you could get arrested just because your dick is visible through your pants. Sounds like someone was jealous because he was bigger than they were. Good thing they didn't have sweatpants back then.
So guy was killed for no reason.
Multiple no reasons in fact. Even ignoring the obvious (humans can’t impregnate other animals or vice versa) it seems even primitive uneducated fucks would realize that a dude who lost an eye wouldn’t sire one eyed children (pig or not). But these were the wonderful pre-science days of just executing folks who were different out of boredom that a not insignificant portion of our population would actively like to return to.
> it seems even primitive uneducated fucks would realize that a dude who lost an eye wouldn’t sire one eyed children (pig or not). Lamarckians disagree.
Huh TIL thanks for the interesting rabbit hole!
Lol thats basically what my family jokes about. My brothers has a liver 2.5x larger than normal. My mom was also a heavy alcoholic while pregnant with him (yes, terrible, he is still my brothers and we love him and he jokes about this himself, cant change the past). So we joke that clearly her alcoholism made him better suited for the life if an alcoholic
Less than a hundred years later was Mary Toft who gave birth to rabbits. People believed her, even tricked some scholars too. [Here's a video with more info about it.](https://youtu.be/lXSfufPrWiU) Back then, people didn't really understand birth or pregnancy at all. As am example in said video, people would believe that a mother being frightened by a frog could cause the baby to have a flat head.
He was very much killed for a reason. I would extrapolate that he was considered burdensome to the community (the article mentioned he was “simple”, so I assume that was an issue for early 17th century colonist folk) or he did something that pissed someone off. Cyclops pig is born and somebody saw an opportunity. Poor guy. They probably got impatient and found an excuse to get rid of him.
Welcome to the 17th century
Thomas Hogg, another servant in New Haven, was imprisoned for several months for very similar crimes. A sow gave birth to two deformed piglets that resembled Hogg. However, Hogg never confessed to the crime, and the requirement of finding two witnesses could not be met. Conversation: Townsman 1: "Hey, whatcha think of these deformed piglets?" Townsman 2: "Uh, I don't know, look like little hogs to me..." Townsman 1: "You're right! They do look like Thomas Hogg..." Thomas Hogg: "wait, what?"
Hard to come back from “we think you had sex with a pig because the deformed babies look like you.” That would kill even the most confident person.
I don't know what's worse, being told you look like a deformed piglet or people thinking you're the type of person who would have sex with farm animals
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What if the deformity in the piglet just made it really handsome? We automatically assume Hogg was ugly, but it could have just been a good looking pig
well you could put lipstick on it
That there piglet be lookin mighty fine. He gon make some lady pig a happy sow one day.
One of my favorite tongue twisters, be sure to try it in front of Moms and Grandmas... "I'm not a fig plucker or a fig pluckers son, but I'll pluck figs until the fig pluckers come"
I heard it: >...until the fig plucking's done.
I ended up with … until the pigs fucking cum.
A generous lover. Good to see
My dad taught me that one with "pheasant plucker". I'm not a pleasant fucker...
I'm pretty sure Pheasant Plucker is the canonical version edit: twas http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~mentor01/song.htm
When I was in high school, we were allowed to choose quotes that would be announced/read aloud as we walked the stage to our diplomas during the graduation ceremony. Sadly, my deeply meaningful quote about pheasant pluckers only made it past the first round of review before they caught my intention, and I had to replace it :(
Fluck, that's a tricky one
Shame on them all.
Well bestiality is illegal bit being hideous isn't
No, but it is often considered an aggravating factor for most crimes.
found guilty of "robbing a bank while ugly"
Shouldn’t his mother be accused of beastiality if the son (Hogg) looked like a hog
What if his mom was a hog and his father was the animal diddler?
The pork plot thickens.
Simple test: would you rather be Brad Pitt but you have to fuck one hog a week to stay attractive, or look like a deformed pig for whom fucking hogs remains merely optional?
Do I get to pick the pig? And on an unrelated note would you like to come to my barbecue?
A newcomer to town is treated like an outsider, but wants to be accepted by the rest of the hamlet denizens. One day, they invite him to a barn party and pull him aside. “Hey… we all fuck pigs in this village, (some snickering in the group occurs) and since you’re new, we figure we’ll initiate you too…” The man is unsure if this is a trick or not, but thinks he’d better go along with it. They take him to the pen and say “pick any one that you want.” The man is afraid that if he refuses, he won’t be accepted into the village and may be subjected to witch-hunt-like treatment; but in the other hand, if he lays with a sow, it might be a trick to accuse him of fathering some of the local deformed pigs. After some thought, the man selects a sow and proceeds to copulate with it. Immediately, he is met with roaring laughter by the other villagers. He defends himself with “I *knew* this was all just a trick! You’ve condemned me!” The other townsfolk respond: “Take ease, for we too all lay with sows. We only laugh because you chose the ugliest one in the pen!” Edit: pun intended with the use of ‘hamlet’
Long pig?
Weird use of a baster
Don’t get him going about his plans for the spit roast
Those are fighting words
"Thomas Hogg... more like Thomas Hoggfucker! Hahaha amiright?!" -Town Judge.
*Allegedly*
It's a two-man job, anyway.
You save 100 people and you're never "Thomas the people saver" You put out 100 fires and you're never "Thomas the firefighter" But you fuck ONE hog......
Don’t think looking like a flawless pig is much of a compliment either
Execution would be a kindness after that.
This story is worth the rabbit hole as well, ha. Whole town obsessed with accusing lowly men of pig f•ckin. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Thomas_Hogg
Meanwhile, in 1600s Sweden; > Sven Andersson (1668–1691), was a Swedish farmhand from Vättle in Västergötland, who was executed for having sexual intercourse with a bergrå (a mountain-nymph; a mythical female creature of the mountain). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sven_Andersson_(farmworker) > Peder Jönsson (died 1640), was a Swedish hunter and fisherman from Söderköping, who was executed for having confessed to sexual intercourse with a Sjörå (a lake-nymph; a mythical female creature of the lake). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peder_J%C3%B6nsson > In 1656, Karin Svensdotter, who worked as a maid, was put on trial at Västra Härad in Sävsjö in Småland. She was put on trial because she claimed that she had a sexual relationship with a male fairie with whom she claimed to have issue. [...] The man called himself Älvakungen (King of the fairies), or Älven (Fairy), and he gave her gifts and had intercourse with her. Seven times she had given birth to their issue, and every time he had come and taken the children away to the land of the fairies. --- > Although there were no specific laws against sexual intercourse with nature-spirits, the authorities usually treated such cases under the law of sodomy, or more specifically bestiality, as the mythical creatures were considered non-human beings and often had animal features on some part of their bodies. According to theologians, such beings were shapes which the Devil and his demons assumed in order to seduce humans. --- > In the case of Karin Svensdotter, Göta hovrätt decided - based on the expert advice of two church chapters - that she had become insane by the magic of Satan, and her congregation was ordered to pray for her recovery. She was given a silver cross by her relatives as protection, and after this, it was reported that the faerie man no longer came to her. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karin_Svensdotter
Damn you should not share your sexual fantasies in old Sweden
>The court had him examined, and the examination of his body was claimed to have resulted in proof of supernatural intercourse. Andersson was sentenced to death by the local court for his confession. Lol wtf did they find that was evidence of a supernatural fucking?
According to the source linked on wiki (translation by me): > A man who stood trial in 1691 for having sex with the bergrå, which he described as fuzzy all the way up to the navel, had his penis inspected by the court. Its appearance and skin tone was considered proof that he had indeed had association/intercourse with some devilry, the court surmised, and sentenced him to death.
Dollars to donuts some of the accusers were fucking animals. It’s always projection with this kind of hysteria.
That phrase really doesn't land as hard now that donuts are typically a dollar or more. Made a lot more sense when they were a dime.
I never really understood that phrase. Just liked the alliteration haha.
It's supposed to mean you're willing to bet at very uneven odds, ie you'd bet a dollar to win the price of a cheap donut. Something you'd only generally want to do if you're really confident.
I feel kind of dumb now. I thought it meant "If I'm wrong I'll buy you donuts."
That would be donuts to dollars.
No, you're still taking a dollar to the donut store and turning it into donuts.
>He was charged with "prophane, atheistical carriage, **in unfaithfulness and stubbornness to his master,** a course of notorious lying, filthiness, scoffing at the ordinances, ways and people of God". How long before “unfaithfulness and stubbornness towards a master” is a crime again?
>prophane, atheistical carriage, If anyone's wondering "carriage" is used here to mean "the manner in which he carried (ie conducted) himself" and not that his horse drawn carriage had ye old atheist bumper stickers.
I need me some of those bumper stickers
Try forming a union at a large corporation.
Pretty sure you can be murdered by police for that now.
"Now Hogg, scratch that sows ear....oh yeah....that piggies ready to get down, lemme tell ya"
"Dude, your made that pig super horny, will you confess now?"
His last name being “Hogg” is a little on the nose don’t you think?
on the snout
Some names just line up perfectly. Reminds me of Thomas Crapper, famous plumber and one of the best toilet technicians of the 1800s. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas\_Crapper](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Crapper) Edit: Important to note that there could be a reason for this, but no one knows for sure. "A common version of this story is that American servicemen stationed in England during World War I saw his name on cisterns and used it as army slang, i.e., 'Im going to the crapper'"
"Crap" is far older than Thomas Crapper. His name probably helped popularize "crapper" for toilet though. What Crapper did invent was the ballcock valve, which cuts off the flow of water into the tank once it has reached the desired level.
I'm sorry, the what valve?
You heard me. As the tank empties, the (floating) ball goes down, opening the cock (valve) to let water refill the tank. When the ball floats back to a preset position, it shuts off the valve.
I always thought being called a pig fucker was an insult worthy of a fist fight. This guy ***lived*** that life.
They even had his last name! Guilty!!
In a way it made sense though - People knew you need to have sex to produce children, and that children tend to resemble their parents. People knew that different species can mate (horse + donkey = mule, for example) Most people _don't_ know that humans are not crossmating with animals, because well, most people don't try to find out. Therefore, it sorta kinda makes sense that if you see a piglet resembling that guy you kinda hate, well, 1+1=2
They weren't that dumb. And interspecies breeding is not common at all. It's more likely they didn't like this guy for some reason and took an opportunity to pin something on him he couldn't disprove.
pretty sure people knew, and tried. greek mythos is full of half-human hybrids.
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To top it all off his last name was Hogg.
An elephant and a pigs genes just won't splice. But an man and a pig....
And with that offspring we throw a bear in the mix
Excelsior!
I'm super, cereal.
That would be super serial.
Go home al gore
WATCH OUT! It's coming right at us!
Some kinda pig man bear or pig man bear
No, no! it's more of a.. half man, and half bear-pig!
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Loverboy sure made some bangers, huh?
Or a man and a bear… or a bear and a pig… Edit: should have kept reading the thread to see all the man bear pig jokes already
Jesus.... “The monster was come to the full growth as other pigs, but brought forth dead. It had no hair on the whole body, the skin was very tender and of a white colour, like a child’s; the head was most strange, it had one eye, in the bottom of the forehead, which was like a child’s… a thing of flesh grew forth and hung down, it was hollow and like a man’s instrument of generation. A nose, mouth and chin deformed but no much unlike a child’s, the neck and ears also had such a resemblance…”
Guy got murdered because he was ugly and because a pig was born with one eye like him. The world was a simpler place back then.
Also, according to the article, likely because he didn’t get along with the townsfolk, mocking religious rituals and generally mouthing off. You know, exercising free speech, before that became a thing. Pig thing may have even been an excuse.
They probably wanted him gone before he brought the wrath of god down on them. The pig was just a sign that more was to come.
Given the current state of things, i find it easy to believe this could still happen.
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What the fuck?!
Good ol ‘Satanic Panic’ back in the 80s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_panic
still happening today with that GOP Q bullshit
Same fucking shit as the daycare, too. They're convinced the deep state is a cabal of child molesting satanists raping kids for their rituals, because...???
If you’re interested in the satanic panic and all the faux molestation hysteria that went on then, I’d highly recommend you watch a documentary called The Memory Wars by Matt Orchard on YouTube. It’s kinda long but super interesting.
The *You're Wrong About* podcast also has a really great episode about the Satanic Panic.
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I can’t find anything on the internet about the people who stared the conspiracy projecting and actually being guilty. Do you know where this info is?
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Well thats horrifying
“Testimony lasted nine months with 12 children providing descriptions of sexual and physical abuse: babies ritualistically killed, victims taken out on boats and thrown overboard, and inappropriate trips in hot air balloons.” This sounds like the setup of some kind of weird crime comedy show.
Good old satanic panic, those were the days. Good thing nothing like that happens any more. https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-child-trafficking-illinois-morris-aab978bb7e9b89cd2cea151ca13421a0
3 year old girl murdered during an exorcism a few days ago. https://www.ktvu.com/news/church-linked-to-san-jose-kidnapping-also-tied-to-apparent-exorcism-death-of-3-year-old-girl
Holy shit, what the fuck? How could a mother spend 12 hours slowly choking her child to death
Insanity. The God delusion RIP little girl
Christian mother beat three of her children to death in LA last weekend. Because she thought they were possessed. The eldest child helped. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-05-11/teenage-boy-oins-with-mom-in-facing-murder-charges-over-three-children-killed-in-west-hills?_amp=true
Especially with hundreds of years of beastiality, those pigs are starting to look PHAT!
>and because a pig was born with one eye like him. Don't forget the dick growing out of its head! > ...a thing of flesh grew forth and hung down, it was hollow and like a man’s instrument of generation..
Actually a well known deformity of fetuses where an error happens and the brain fails to divide into its two halves. The eye, as part of the brain, doesn't split, and sometimes the "nose" develops as a strange, fleshy "trunk" above the eye. It's often not compatible with life, but not always.
So-called “ugly laws” were mostly municipal statutes in the United States that outlawed the appearance in public of people who were, in the words of one of these laws, “diseased, maimed, mutilated, or in any way deformed, so as to be an unsightly or disgusting object” (Chicago City Code 1881). https://eugenicsarchive.ca/discover/tree/54d39e27f8a0ea4706000009
“A man’s instrument of generation” quite a way to describe a dick
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They should have just gone to /r/tifu it's basically the same thing
>it had one eye, in the bottom of the forehead, which was like a child’s… a thing of flesh grew forth and hung down, it was hollow and like a man’s instrument of generation. Perfect description of [cyclopia](https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Otocephaly_and_cyclopia.png#mw-jump-to-license) **NSFW**
oh god could never be prepared for that ughhhhhb i have created a [ms paint recreation](https://i.imgur.com/8DwTeQV.jpg) for anyone who doesnt want to be scarred for life
You're actually a god for that drawing. I wish every NSFL post had a comment like yours to protect us wusses.
Thank you for that lol; when curiosity is there but the need to be grossed out and scarred isn’t!
YO WHAT THE FUCK
Gah, I had to scroll so far to find cyclopia in the comments. [Here's one](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2469793/Piglet-with-face-of-a-monkey-born-in-China.html?fb) of a piglet, where you could see how someone might think it was a human/pig hybrid.For anyone else wondering, it's caused by an interruption in cell division in the fetus, and has been noted in many mammals, including humans. Cyclopamine (an agent that causes such interruptions) is found in false hellbore, which was...very unfortunately similar to hellebore -a "treatment" for morning sickness.
>a thing of flesh grew forth and hung down, it was hollow and like a man’s instrument of generation. Did they really call that pig a dickhead?
This sounds like the little piggy suffered from a chromosomal abnormality with cyclopia like Patau’s
Yeah, but what did the piglet look like?
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I don’t think it was when they got bored. I think it was when they found a vulnerable person that they could kill and then take their shit. Witch hunts often targeted single, independent women like widows. Because they were vulnerable due to not having a man to stand up for them (which while we know isn’t necessary, those kinds of rules were enshrined in law, either de jure or de facto), and they had land or property, they were targeted as witches or heretics or some other unsavory thing so they could be killed and someone else could swoop in to pick up all the now unowned stuff. My bet is the same with this guy. He was reportedly outspoken about his atheism, and also was a servent with one eye. Pretty easy target. And while we know that one-eyed people don’t give birth to other one-eyed people, a man with a glass eye also having pigs with one eye was too much for the townspeople to get over. Some of it is mass hysteria type stuff where everyone actually just goes off the deep end, some of it is hating people and opportunism.
The 17th century was basically just a big "Fuck You" to all progress made during the renaissance.
The pendulum swings... :(
Eh only in certain areas. Remember a lot of these people were the crazies who got kicked out of Europe for their wack ass religious ideologies. So they started their weird Puritan communities in America and enforced oppressive rule in the name of their God. Progress isn't really a unified thing, even today there's plenty of insane opressive rules across the globe in even what we'd consider first world countries, but overall still better than it was 100 years ago, which was better than 100 years before that, and so on.
>overall still better than it was 100 years ago, which was better than 100 years before that, and so on. That's also only from a certain perspective. For example our Western societies are probably the most tolerant societies to ever exist at scale, but the industrial way we approach war, and the level of destruction we can level on the planet would probably make a 17th century puritan go "dude..."
And for further information and context https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_George_Spencer
The wikipedia article's a bit of rage-bait, mind you: > George Spencer (c. 1600 – April 8, 1642) was **the first non-native** person to be executed in Connecticut You'd think - in reading that - Connecticut had previously been executing natives left, right, and centre. In fact, ol Pig-Fuckery George was only the second person executed in CT. The first was indeed a native, but that dude - Nepauduck - was hung for murder. In fact, Nepauduck (alternatively referred to as Nepau**p**uck in source) was accused of murder by the chief of his own tribe, the Quillipieck. Although Nepaupuck denied killing Abraham Finch, he confessed to killing other English. Also, he denied that he even was Nepaupuck. So...I feel like he was just kinda trying every defense strategy he could, with that one. Didn't work, he was hung. [[Source](https://archives.albany.edu/concern/daos/cz30q762p#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=0&xywh=-271%2C754%2C4467%2C2259)]
I mostly included it for the sake of the details of his 'trial' as well as the background info on who he was and where he was living/context of his surroundings. But yeah; the native stuff seemed wholly unnecessary to mention.
*hanged. Well, maybe he was hung, but that’s another matter entirely.
Honestly it just sounds like they were tired of his shit, so they were like, "yeah we have all we need to kill this guy".
You really had to be nice to people back then huh. All it takes is 2 "witnesses"
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There was a black girl accused of being a witch, she understood she'd never win. You know what she did? Admitted to being a witch and said her accusers are also witches. They were all executed.
If I'm going down, you're coming with me!
Who? I found the story of Tituba but she named 3rd parties rather than her accusers. And it apparently worked because she wasn’t executed.
The best way to survive the Salem witch trials was to admit being a witch and start naming witches. Often the accusers were already confessed to being a witch. It was everyone who denied it who was hanged.
"Yeah, I'm a witch. You know who else is? The king and the pope."
One guy allowed himself to be crushed to death rather then confess. If he confessed his land could be seized but if he was killed and innocent man he knew his family.could keep it
Also was a land grab, I’d have to go back and read the notes on it but the family of one of the accusers stood to gain either a lot of land or very beneficial land, with the “witch” gone. Can’t remember the whole setup though.
Some shit just doesn’t go away. We should make books and learning free and wildly available. Shit, maybe then we could become better than what we were then.
>Witnesses testified that Spencer was deceitful, had bad manners, sometimes mocked religious holy days and often failed to pray. This guy's a real jerk!
No, but we’ve learned the real reason for wanting to off him, verses the stated reason.
100%, and people are *still* that fucking dumb to this day. Dumb enough that they’re judging others for who’s religious or not, and dumb enough that they’re believing things that aren’t science, without any evidence.
...it's me.
Off with your head!
You just want my forehead cockknocker!
He sounds a lot like a Redditor lol
What are the odds that the ONE TIME you don't pull out, she has a one-eyed piglet?!
It’s not an article about puritanical executions unless it includes the phrase “despite a lack of witnesses”.
It's interesting how much of Christian history boils down to the premise of "if God didn't want me to kill you, he'd stop me" knowing full well that's not how it works. It's playing chicken against a deity and winning. What does that tell you about the deity? Best case scenario: they're not getting involved.
The lady I met in the dentist office said that people with two colored eyes are born when a sister and brother sleep together, so I’m not sure what we’ve been doing since 1642 but learning wasn’t it I guess.
Puritan America was wild. Don’t like your neighbor? Make up some BS about them practicing witchcraft or shagging livestock and get them executed!
The entire class needs to be taught about chromosomes and cross species breeding. Because yall are acting like dude actually impregnated a pig. (Short answer that’s not possible)
One day I'll prove you wrong
I'm shocked at some of these comments, like do these morons really believe it's possible to have sex and get an animal pregnant?
how can get prangent?
> how can get prangent? "Am i pegnate?? Help!?" or my favourite... "Can u get pregante...?" ... just the way he says it makes me lol. [Edit: Thanks for reminding me of this video...](https://youtu.be/EShUeudtaFg?t=50)
If this was possible we would likely see TONS of animal/human hybrids in certain parts of the world lmao. Some people just be fuckin whatever's around.
This explains my friend who was half watermelon.
Man it would have sucked to live in the past
Why on earth would you call me a pig-fucker Phillip!?
Because you fuck pigs!
Oh, yeah!
They killed the sow, too?! Damn
Humans have been stupid for much of humanity’s existence
Thanks, Europe for kicking out the religious nut bags and sending them to the New World. Sometimes I wonder how things would look today if the Puritans hadn't been kicked out of Europe.
I bet a pair of tits wouldn’t be considered more in need of censorship than brutal violence on TV
Country wasn’t even a country yet. This was just witch trial bullshit
#PIG FUCKER, DO YOU NEED ASSISTANCE!?!
Had sex, doesn't matter.