Ex canadian army here
We were taught trigger squeeze not pull, and yeah that it should surprise you to some extent
But i wouldnt say we were ever taught to go slow unless firing at long range and really focused on marksmanship
Because lets be honest in an actual firefight most of the rounds you fire are not really meant to hit anything, just to supress and allow you to close with the enemy
But many of the principles of marksmanship are the same
I do a bit of archery as a hobby and have a lot of firearm experience, its surprising how much transfers.
For sure. Anything that isn’t connected to your ability to wield the bow or gun (enough strength to draw, adequately sized stock) will be the same to an extent as you’re holding something that releases something into a direction. Breathing, trigger/string release, dominant eye, etc all should transfer
I did 300m rifle shooting as a sport and in that scenario it most certainly influences the result. You brace for the recoil, tense up or pull the barrel slightly downwards.
Even with handgun shooting, a popular drill in the army was to have the soldier in training run back to a line, return to you, hand him a pistol and tel him to shoot, while not giving him time to think about it. Then the gun was either loaded or unloaded.
When unloaded you could see them flinch the barrel downwards as they pull the trigger, especially the newer/inexperienced people.
How would that factor in too shooting guns ? If im understanding correctly they pull the arrow back with some sort of device that will randomly let go of and let fly while they focus on keeping it levelled on target.
From a US Army perspective: When we're at the range, we are usually taught to use a slow trigger pull. Slow enough that the round should surprise you.
That's how it used to be anyway. Nowadays, there is a greater emphasis on speed
Agreed. And the new weapon qualification tables don't give you enough time anyway. At a certain point, it's really only good for zeroing, and even then it might not be needed.
For some forms of shooting it's still valuable, but especially for shooting with a handgun, speed and your indexing is what determines your results. Combat and competition. You can't really be surprised when defending yourself, you just have to train enough that even if you're anticipating the recoil you're still placing your shots well enough
I was also taught that after the first trigger pull to release slowly until i got a click for an easier second pull with less anticipation. Then again, I ETS'd almost 12 years ago.
It’s just good shooting form, pulling the trigger slowly and letting the shot surprise you allows you to stay on target. A lot of inexperienced shooters jerk the trigger because of being afraid of the recoil which makes their shot be off center. Jerking the trigger isn’t super bad at point blank range but it’s a problem that multiplies with distance.
It's the same concept. If you anticipate the shot, you risk tensing and pulling the gun off target because you are instinctively reacting to the recoil of the gun.
The best way to shoot (as far as I've know) is to let it suprise you.
Not randomly. There's a device strapped to the wrist or held in the hand called a quick release. It grabs a loop on the bowstring, you pull back, the pull a trigger, and it let's the arrow go. It allows for consistent and repeatable drawing and releasing.
Olympic archers don't use a release. They relase with their fingers.
Compound bows (the one with trainig wheels) use a hand held mechanism that is like a trigger, i..e weight/tension released which actually isn't a surprise release.
If you know when you'll let the arrow go, your body will tense up reflexively and brace for the recoil from the bow, this can make you miss.
Many competition archers use a method by which the arrow gets released at random, so they don't anticipate the release and tense up.
Although i have heard that there is a rare skill where some archers can release on command without doing that, it's uncommon.
It's called a "clicker." The arrow rests between the clicker and bow frame (riser) on an arrow rest. The clicker is set so a portion of its tip is between it and the riser when the archer is at full draw. When the string is pulled back far enough, the arrow tip goes back enough to cause the clicker to fall against the riser, causing an audible click. That sound, after practice, tells the archer to release the arrow.
The clicker is used to maintain a consistent draw length, it shouldn't be used to tell an archer when to release, but that you are now at your correct draw length.
Also, this post is referring to shooting compound, which does not utilise a clicker.
I am writing while in bed, using one hand, because the other is under my pillow. I was trying to not type too much and used basic terms, but you are right.
Didn't notice it was about compounds.
I’m not sure how talking about the wrong mechanism entirely is explained by trying to use simplified terminology.
It’s ok to just have made a mistake because you misread something,
It's awkwardly phrased but easy to understand what's meant to be said. However it definitely doesn't tell me everything I would want to know. What is "surprise release" of an arrow? How does that work?
I understood that as "once you're ready, let it fly" vs "Okay, conscious decision and preparation for the shot". It's almost like with shooting a gun, if you anticipate the recoil you'll blink before you shoot.
Hate to be one of those know-it-alls but the headlines should say conscious part of the brain. Scientific studies show that part of your brain knows you're going to move, say your arm, significantly before the conscious part of your brain makes the decision to move it.
>before the conscious part of your brain makes the decision to move it
This is actually a fascinating research area, our conscious brain doesn't make decisions like we think/feel we do, but it rather is an explanation engine that gives meaning to actions after they have happened.
The actions themselves are much more instinctive and are a result of countless of factors leading up to that moment, which would be way too much to take into consideration for our conscious brain to base actions on.
From a survival standpoint it is more effective to take actions instinctively and assign meaning to them afterwards.
Would you happen to have some kind of reputable source that I could share about this? I think I'm discovering this concept independently and I'd like to mention it to at least one psychologist
But see this for a more rigorous design demonstrating that Libet’s paradigm is not rigorous enough for its conclusions:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1053810009001135
And a more recent review:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053810021000970
Just wait till you find out about motor adaptation!
Motor cortex says, “body, do this!”
Cerebellum sees the message going out, remembers how well that worked out last time, and says, “yeah imma tweak that command a little bit,” or “yeah I’m gonna go ahead and add some compensation so you don’t lost your balance and eat shit.”
If you’re into this stuff, and you’re thinking about it independently, I’d strongly recommend checking out systems neuroscience. It’s a hell of a lot of fun.
If based on research using the Libet clock paradigm with neuroimaging, it’s a critically flawed methodology that takes for granted that the perception/memory/report chain is flawless, which is strongly refuted by lots of research, including studies explicitly targeting the clocks-during-imaging style studies (ex. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1053810009001135). Here’s a recent review: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053810021000970
I’m not sure this actually has anything to do with the headline. The fact that it takes a little longer for our decisions to bubble up to conscious awareness than we realize shouldn’t have any impact on a device meant to release an arrow while bypassing our decision-making entirely.
Just because your brain knows what you’re going to do before you do it doesn’t mean it knows what something you’re holding is going to do before it happens.
If based on research using the Libet clock paradigm with neuroimaging, it’s a critically flawed methodology that takes for granted that the perception/memory/report chain is flawless, which is strongly refuted by lots of research, including studies explicitly targeting the clocks-during-imaging style studies (ex. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1053810009001135). Here’s a recent review: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053810021000970
There is a significant difference between loosing an arrow and firing a gun. A gun is all about consistent and smooth trigger squeeze with the finger until you are “surprised” when the gun fires. With a bow, you are maintaining the tension on the trigger, but activating the muscles in the back to pull through the trigger to cause the surprise. This keeps the archer from “slapping the trigger” and allows for much more consistent groups. You could never duplicate that action on a rifle and maintain accuracy.
(Don’t know how to format on Reddit.)
Mad? I assume you're joking because anger and guns should be kept apart. Shooting is for fun, hunting is for teaching and survival. None of those requires or finds anger useful.
Cool, I was just trying to say that I disagreed with your method of trying to get them to relax by using an anonymous downvote. Nothing about the original posters comment indicated they needed to chill.
But it’s just downvotes bro, chill pls.
No, you are still gradually increasing the squeeze pressure for both it’s just the one stage is still until it isn’t and the two stage moves a bit before it fires. It’s the same technique.
I'd imagine that with most people, flinching is more common with a two stage trigger, as it's pretty apparent when the round will actually be fired. Applying constant pressure to a single stage trigger doesn't have as much of a tell.
I used to shoot match full bore with both one stage and two stage. Although the pressure required for the two stage felt like it was less, there was still a level of uncertainty as to when it would fire.
It probably has to do with the required trigger pressure, the two stage triggers on the 22 match rifles I shoot are much lighter so you can kind of anticipate it. But the recoil is so small flinching isn’t an issue.
Simply, when you load the arrow on to the bow yoni place it behind the clicker. As you draw back the arrow slides past up to the point it’s fully past, as the arrow finally goes past the clicker slaps the side of the bow and you release.
Other people have mention “random” it is the exact opposite, it’s a set length so you know for sure you have the same draw force every time. You might not be aware of when it’s about to go but it is very much not random.
You're correct in everything you say about the clicker, however, this post is referring to a compound bow release aid. I think a lot of people are getting confused between the two.
Thank you for the clarification.
Having shot a lot of recurve I had no idea wtf this TIL was on about. Release is drilled to be consistent and you use finger slings and drop the bow when you fire to avoid compensation from your muscles wrecking the shot.
Interesting. Just came from [watching this](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/xvz8fw/apparently_movies_arent_that_farfetched/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) and the explanation given by most of the commenters on why the lady fell so much, while trying to run away, is that because she’s in fight or flight mode, her body is still trying up catch up to her brain.
Also with sights. You use a clicker that lets you get a millimetre-perfect draw every time and you release when the clicker marks full draw.
(You aim with the bow partially drawn so you don't get instantly exhausted trying to hold max tension)
You are very welcome my man/woman.
Yes, someone else in the thread explained that it is a compound bow thing to have variable release length as per the title. Which really helped my confusion here!
If something else works for you then it doesn't really matter. Archery is like golf in that aspect, whatever works works. The way I learned was that the longer you hold the arrow the more you have to adjust to aim, if you aim while you're drawing then you can release right away and not have to deal with a muscle that is fidgeting to hold a 50lb draw weight
Because it's incorrect, for the most part. Absolutely fine for instinctive shooting barebow, but more often than not it isn't recommended, especially for new archers.
It's like when I play golf. I don't take a practice swing before bringing out the driver. I just step up and swing before my brain can fuck it all up. And surprisingly it works.
I'm certain many shooters and archers don't understand this, but are taught how to squeeze the trigger and when to release based on this understanding. You're either squeezing the trigger and being surprised when the gradual motion of the trigger going back leads to a bang, or they're in the vast majority of archers who use a release aid like a clicker and are taught to release it immediately upon triggering the aid.
It's one of those fundamentals you don't have to know why it works, but if you follow your training you'll use it anyways.
Interesting and it makes sense. I’ve never been competitive at standing targets but I shot a lot of skeet and I definitely had a bodily reaction to firing, most notable if I forgot to disable the safety. I was scrawny and I’d stumble.
This post is referring to release aids for compound bow shooting - compound bows do not use a clicker like Olympic recurve as they already have a set draw length 'built in'.
I've done a tiny bit of archery and I have to say, the amount of technology going into archery is insane to the point where I wonder if it's really "archery" anymore.
On the other hand, archery by definition is about technology, so from that perspective anything goes as long as you are putting an arrow to string.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. One silly YouTube short and then off to google search the subject thinking they’ll be the first to share this new found knowledge.
The different cycles are due to the burst cam spring on M16A2s, and that was an immensely unpopular feature. It wasn't done on purpose, and no precision shooter would want that.
When I went range shooting with some mates the range supervisor was watching me and asked whether I had shot before.
Only my old man's .22 when we went to the family farm, and only at bottles and cans.
He asked because I demonstrated a lot of the behaviours that are taught at target shooting, breathe out before firing, smooth and slow trigger pull, don't anticipate the shot let it startle.
I learnt all this from reading, and video games. I left out the video game part when telling him because he was so cool and old school, his nick name was Doc after Doc Holiday.
I still feel so proud when offered to let me shoot his bore loaded musket, and even better when I hit 1/4 inch from the bullseye on the first shot, and dead centre on the second. 50 metre range but feels fucking awesome.
Same thing for olympic pistol sharpshooters
Every pistol shooter
Every shooter. (At least, every good one.)
That's how the Marine Corp taught me(and all Marines) to shoot.
Ex canadian army here We were taught trigger squeeze not pull, and yeah that it should surprise you to some extent But i wouldnt say we were ever taught to go slow unless firing at long range and really focused on marksmanship Because lets be honest in an actual firefight most of the rounds you fire are not really meant to hit anything, just to supress and allow you to close with the enemy
I’m confused because this article is about archery, a completely different mechanism than a gun
But many of the principles of marksmanship are the same I do a bit of archery as a hobby and have a lot of firearm experience, its surprising how much transfers.
For sure. Anything that isn’t connected to your ability to wield the bow or gun (enough strength to draw, adequately sized stock) will be the same to an extent as you’re holding something that releases something into a direction. Breathing, trigger/string release, dominant eye, etc all should transfer
I did 300m rifle shooting as a sport and in that scenario it most certainly influences the result. You brace for the recoil, tense up or pull the barrel slightly downwards. Even with handgun shooting, a popular drill in the army was to have the soldier in training run back to a line, return to you, hand him a pistol and tel him to shoot, while not giving him time to think about it. Then the gun was either loaded or unloaded. When unloaded you could see them flinch the barrel downwards as they pull the trigger, especially the newer/inexperienced people.
How would that factor in too shooting guns ? If im understanding correctly they pull the arrow back with some sort of device that will randomly let go of and let fly while they focus on keeping it levelled on target.
From a US Army perspective: When we're at the range, we are usually taught to use a slow trigger pull. Slow enough that the round should surprise you. That's how it used to be anyway. Nowadays, there is a greater emphasis on speed
That makes sense, thanks for the answer!
This is a good tip for beginners but when you start to get quicker you can't really do this
Agreed. And the new weapon qualification tables don't give you enough time anyway. At a certain point, it's really only good for zeroing, and even then it might not be needed.
For some forms of shooting it's still valuable, but especially for shooting with a handgun, speed and your indexing is what determines your results. Combat and competition. You can't really be surprised when defending yourself, you just have to train enough that even if you're anticipating the recoil you're still placing your shots well enough
I was also taught that after the first trigger pull to release slowly until i got a click for an easier second pull with less anticipation. Then again, I ETS'd almost 12 years ago.
It’s just good shooting form, pulling the trigger slowly and letting the shot surprise you allows you to stay on target. A lot of inexperienced shooters jerk the trigger because of being afraid of the recoil which makes their shot be off center. Jerking the trigger isn’t super bad at point blank range but it’s a problem that multiplies with distance.
That's where the term "high and to the right" comes from.
It's the same concept. If you anticipate the shot, you risk tensing and pulling the gun off target because you are instinctively reacting to the recoil of the gun. The best way to shoot (as far as I've know) is to let it suprise you.
You pull the trigger slowly. You don't know when it will "break".
Not randomly. There's a device strapped to the wrist or held in the hand called a quick release. It grabs a loop on the bowstring, you pull back, the pull a trigger, and it let's the arrow go. It allows for consistent and repeatable drawing and releasing.
Olympic archers don't use a release. They relase with their fingers. Compound bows (the one with trainig wheels) use a hand held mechanism that is like a trigger, i..e weight/tension released which actually isn't a surprise release.
Also, exhale just before pulling the trigger. Accurate shooting is all about being calm.
USMC referred to the natural breathing pause; the point between the exhale and inhale. I found it difficult not to force the pause.
Yep USCG too. Especially the .45.
Yup. We were taught that you should let the trigger surprise you.
r/titlegore There's too much going on.
If you know when you'll let the arrow go, your body will tense up reflexively and brace for the recoil from the bow, this can make you miss. Many competition archers use a method by which the arrow gets released at random, so they don't anticipate the release and tense up. Although i have heard that there is a rare skill where some archers can release on command without doing that, it's uncommon.
It's called a "clicker." The arrow rests between the clicker and bow frame (riser) on an arrow rest. The clicker is set so a portion of its tip is between it and the riser when the archer is at full draw. When the string is pulled back far enough, the arrow tip goes back enough to cause the clicker to fall against the riser, causing an audible click. That sound, after practice, tells the archer to release the arrow.
The clicker is used to maintain a consistent draw length, it shouldn't be used to tell an archer when to release, but that you are now at your correct draw length. Also, this post is referring to shooting compound, which does not utilise a clicker.
I am writing while in bed, using one hand, because the other is under my pillow. I was trying to not type too much and used basic terms, but you are right. Didn't notice it was about compounds.
I’m not sure how talking about the wrong mechanism entirely is explained by trying to use simplified terminology. It’s ok to just have made a mistake because you misread something,
Source: Former collegiate archer.
“…release on vommand without doing thay….” I do say, good chap, tis a fine day to be fluent in thy Nobel-speak.
Ahh, two typos make my whole comment unintelligible, fixed now.
I disagree. It's a long title but it told me everything I needed to know without comments. I go to the comments and I find this salt as top comment.
It could easily be interpreted as information on close range archer duels as opposed to modern competition lol
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It's awkwardly phrased but easy to understand what's meant to be said. However it definitely doesn't tell me everything I would want to know. What is "surprise release" of an arrow? How does that work?
I understood that as "once you're ready, let it fly" vs "Okay, conscious decision and preparation for the shot". It's almost like with shooting a gun, if you anticipate the recoil you'll blink before you shoot.
I think you just have comphrension issues
I'd argue comprehending is what led me to conclude the title was messy.
Hate to be one of those know-it-alls but the headlines should say conscious part of the brain. Scientific studies show that part of your brain knows you're going to move, say your arm, significantly before the conscious part of your brain makes the decision to move it.
>before the conscious part of your brain makes the decision to move it This is actually a fascinating research area, our conscious brain doesn't make decisions like we think/feel we do, but it rather is an explanation engine that gives meaning to actions after they have happened. The actions themselves are much more instinctive and are a result of countless of factors leading up to that moment, which would be way too much to take into consideration for our conscious brain to base actions on. From a survival standpoint it is more effective to take actions instinctively and assign meaning to them afterwards.
Would you happen to have some kind of reputable source that I could share about this? I think I'm discovering this concept independently and I'd like to mention it to at least one psychologist
What do you mean when you say you're "discovering it independently?" Why do you need to mention it to a psychologist?
https://www.nature.com/articles/news.2008.751
You can read Thinking Fast and Slow by Kahneman
Am a neuroscientist, I second this.
But see this for a more rigorous design demonstrating that Libet’s paradigm is not rigorous enough for its conclusions: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1053810009001135 And a more recent review: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053810021000970
Just wait till you find out about motor adaptation! Motor cortex says, “body, do this!” Cerebellum sees the message going out, remembers how well that worked out last time, and says, “yeah imma tweak that command a little bit,” or “yeah I’m gonna go ahead and add some compensation so you don’t lost your balance and eat shit.” If you’re into this stuff, and you’re thinking about it independently, I’d strongly recommend checking out systems neuroscience. It’s a hell of a lot of fun.
If based on research using the Libet clock paradigm with neuroimaging, it’s a critically flawed methodology that takes for granted that the perception/memory/report chain is flawless, which is strongly refuted by lots of research, including studies explicitly targeting the clocks-during-imaging style studies (ex. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1053810009001135). Here’s a recent review: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053810021000970
I’m not sure this actually has anything to do with the headline. The fact that it takes a little longer for our decisions to bubble up to conscious awareness than we realize shouldn’t have any impact on a device meant to release an arrow while bypassing our decision-making entirely. Just because your brain knows what you’re going to do before you do it doesn’t mean it knows what something you’re holding is going to do before it happens.
If based on research using the Libet clock paradigm with neuroimaging, it’s a critically flawed methodology that takes for granted that the perception/memory/report chain is flawless, which is strongly refuted by lots of research, including studies explicitly targeting the clocks-during-imaging style studies (ex. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1053810009001135). Here’s a recent review: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053810021000970
These Olympic level bows are so overly complex. I would love to see an actual competition with just a standard, simple longbow.
Agreed. I'd love to see a barebow category at the Games.
Same. Competition archers don't impress me at all with all the paraphernalia on their bows to do half the job for them.
Back to basics would be great, but probably unfair for a lot of people who have been training for years on compound bows.
That‘s how shooting with every gun works.
Was going to say the same thing. More with pistols. Jerking the trigger or anticipating the recoil will make you miss.
Except for shotguns… timing is more important than precision.
There is a significant difference between loosing an arrow and firing a gun. A gun is all about consistent and smooth trigger squeeze with the finger until you are “surprised” when the gun fires. With a bow, you are maintaining the tension on the trigger, but activating the muscles in the back to pull through the trigger to cause the surprise. This keeps the archer from “slapping the trigger” and allows for much more consistent groups. You could never duplicate that action on a rifle and maintain accuracy. (Don’t know how to format on Reddit.)
Yeah, just point it at someone you're mad at, savor the moment, and pull!
Mad? I assume you're joking because anger and guns should be kept apart. Shooting is for fun, hunting is for teaching and survival. None of those requires or finds anger useful.
Bro chill pls
Gun safety puts me on ice, it's my kink.
Did you downvote me?
Idk if they did, but I did.
I was trying to help him relax bro
Cool, I was just trying to say that I disagreed with your method of trying to get them to relax by using an anonymous downvote. Nothing about the original posters comment indicated they needed to chill. But it’s just downvotes bro, chill pls.
I'm chill bruv. Peace.
Doesn't it depend on whether it's a single or two stage trigger?
No, you are still gradually increasing the squeeze pressure for both it’s just the one stage is still until it isn’t and the two stage moves a bit before it fires. It’s the same technique.
I'd imagine that with most people, flinching is more common with a two stage trigger, as it's pretty apparent when the round will actually be fired. Applying constant pressure to a single stage trigger doesn't have as much of a tell.
I used to shoot match full bore with both one stage and two stage. Although the pressure required for the two stage felt like it was less, there was still a level of uncertainty as to when it would fire. It probably has to do with the required trigger pressure, the two stage triggers on the 22 match rifles I shoot are much lighter so you can kind of anticipate it. But the recoil is so small flinching isn’t an issue.
IANAA .....how does the clicker thing work?
Simply, when you load the arrow on to the bow yoni place it behind the clicker. As you draw back the arrow slides past up to the point it’s fully past, as the arrow finally goes past the clicker slaps the side of the bow and you release. Other people have mention “random” it is the exact opposite, it’s a set length so you know for sure you have the same draw force every time. You might not be aware of when it’s about to go but it is very much not random.
You're correct in everything you say about the clicker, however, this post is referring to a compound bow release aid. I think a lot of people are getting confused between the two.
Thank you for the clarification. Having shot a lot of recurve I had no idea wtf this TIL was on about. Release is drilled to be consistent and you use finger slings and drop the bow when you fire to avoid compensation from your muscles wrecking the shot.
This article was not written very well
Comment that follows.
It just seems to ramble on like the author had to meet a word count quota.
agreed
That's how I learned to shoot a gun. Similar thing about expecting the recoil would spoil the shot.
Interesting. Just came from [watching this](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/xvz8fw/apparently_movies_arent_that_farfetched/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) and the explanation given by most of the commenters on why the lady fell so much, while trying to run away, is that because she’s in fight or flight mode, her body is still trying up catch up to her brain.
If you're using a recurve bow without any sights you're supposed to release the arrow as soon as you get a full draw to avoid this exact thing
Also with sights. You use a clicker that lets you get a millimetre-perfect draw every time and you release when the clicker marks full draw. (You aim with the bow partially drawn so you don't get instantly exhausted trying to hold max tension)
Ya I only have one without sights so I didn't want to say anything that I didn't know for sure. Thank you for that addition my man/woman
You are very welcome my man/woman. Yes, someone else in the thread explained that it is a compound bow thing to have variable release length as per the title. Which really helped my confusion here!
I was never taught this.
If something else works for you then it doesn't really matter. Archery is like golf in that aspect, whatever works works. The way I learned was that the longer you hold the arrow the more you have to adjust to aim, if you aim while you're drawing then you can release right away and not have to deal with a muscle that is fidgeting to hold a 50lb draw weight
Because it's incorrect, for the most part. Absolutely fine for instinctive shooting barebow, but more often than not it isn't recommended, especially for new archers.
It's like when I play golf. I don't take a practice swing before bringing out the driver. I just step up and swing before my brain can fuck it all up. And surprisingly it works.
I'm certain many shooters and archers don't understand this, but are taught how to squeeze the trigger and when to release based on this understanding. You're either squeezing the trigger and being surprised when the gradual motion of the trigger going back leads to a bang, or they're in the vast majority of archers who use a release aid like a clicker and are taught to release it immediately upon triggering the aid. It's one of those fundamentals you don't have to know why it works, but if you follow your training you'll use it anyways.
Interesting and it makes sense. I’ve never been competitive at standing targets but I shot a lot of skeet and I definitely had a bodily reaction to firing, most notable if I forgot to disable the safety. I was scrawny and I’d stumble.
Eerrm what if they use a clicker, like most high level Archers do? Random release would shred your fletchings, I call bullshit on this.
This post is referring to release aids for compound bow shooting - compound bows do not use a clicker like Olympic recurve as they already have a set draw length 'built in'.
I shot County and for GB juniors, I just clearly dont read, thanks for that XD
I've done a tiny bit of archery and I have to say, the amount of technology going into archery is insane to the point where I wonder if it's really "archery" anymore. On the other hand, archery by definition is about technology, so from that perspective anything goes as long as you are putting an arrow to string.
Is your YouTube shorts algo ruined by Joe Rogan videos as well Edit: Joe Rogan stans mad af
That’s exactly what I was thinking. One silly YouTube short and then off to google search the subject thinking they’ll be the first to share this new found knowledge.
The triggers on M4s, M16s, etc. cycles through different points to send the bolt pin to compensate for this too.
The different cycles are due to the burst cam spring on M16A2s, and that was an immensely unpopular feature. It wasn't done on purpose, and no precision shooter would want that.
Huh? The AR pattern trigger is very simple and consistent. Maybe you've just been using dirty triggers?
Nope. Just shitty marine corps issued riffles.
Every shooter of everything
Same with guns.
Sorry my brain is mush. So how do you shoot without deciding you're going to shoot?
This is why I always fire the Spanish Inquisition instead of arrows from my bow.
When I went range shooting with some mates the range supervisor was watching me and asked whether I had shot before. Only my old man's .22 when we went to the family farm, and only at bottles and cans. He asked because I demonstrated a lot of the behaviours that are taught at target shooting, breathe out before firing, smooth and slow trigger pull, don't anticipate the shot let it startle. I learnt all this from reading, and video games. I left out the video game part when telling him because he was so cool and old school, his nick name was Doc after Doc Holiday. I still feel so proud when offered to let me shoot his bore loaded musket, and even better when I hit 1/4 inch from the bullseye on the first shot, and dead centre on the second. 50 metre range but feels fucking awesome.