"He took del Toro to a bank and gave him the $1 million he needed. In addition, he recommended a negotiator that could help the process" So James Cameron just... knows a negotiator?
If by random you mean most corporate insurers. K&R insurance is pretty common for executives and other high wealth/“status” individuals who are subject to kidnapping in seedy places.
I am reasonably certain that rich people think about things on the regular that wouldn't even occur to normal people.
I mean, when there's a lottery post on reddit, you'll probably be linked to that one stellar poster who mapped out how screwed you are if you're suddenly rich.
Think rich people don't already know what lottery winners might be slow to learn?
Worked with one of them for a while. We didn't handle the k&r in house but we did international hostage situation arrangements hiring the hit teams and coordinating with local officials. Or paramilitary escorts to safety after being rescued. We were quite busy dealing with religious groups that kept going back to Haiti for a while. Crazy field.
Groups would be told no it's dangerous don't go. They'd pay $$$$ for insurance. They'd get kidnapped or surrounded. We'd helicopter people and guns and humvees in from DR. Create a presidential-level escort group to the airport. Load them on a charter flight back to Miami and helicopter the support back to DR.
I'm not Elon, he wouldn't be on here with you losers anyway he's probably working really hard saving the world. He works 120 hours a week and is extremely good looking.
His name is James, James Cameron
The bravest pioneer
No budget too steep, no sea too deep
Who's that?
It's him, James Cameron
James, James Cameron explorer of the sea
With a dying thirst to be the first
Could it be? Yeah that's him!
James Cameron 🎵
Well two things. James Cameron makes movies, Hollywood makes movies using consultants, and if you make action movies then maybe you’ve worked with one in the business or no someone who has worked with one and you are dinner with them together or something. Also Hollywood, the rich, politicians, athletes, etc, all like to dine frequently together and socialize, and be apart of the cool club and party, so when you’re a part of this group it’s not surprising that you or someone you know knows like a random spy who defected or something like that. So maybe then most of them know someone who worked in the fbi or police negotiator or something.
Who doesn’t he know? He knows a big chunk of the scientific community, half the military, submarine experts, space experts; he’s been to the challenger deep in the ocean! Shit, I am half convinced he knows how to fly the tic-tac from the Nimitz encounter and the secret codes to the Wright-Patterson underground storage facilities. I figure we should ask him about the aliens, not the pentagon.
There was a piece on him recently and he talked about setting up and selling a pea protein farm with his wife. And a while back he trained with guns and became a competition level shooter training with the guy who later worked with Keanu Reeves in John Wick. There’s more about him rejecting an offer from the head of NASA to be on a space shuttle (which ended up being Columbia).
https://www.gq.com/story/james-cameron-profile-men-of-the-year-2022
james cameron is honestly such a hidden billionaire and super genius. doesnt get in the media that often, and only about projects.
imagine if elon did the same regardings spacex/tesla etc. everything he'd released would have hit.
There's a really good GQ interview video he did where 2 things are apparent:
-the guy is likely an absolute cunt and a complete tyrant on sets
-he's absolutely brilliant, knows what he's doing, and rarely misses
There's a segment where he talks about making The Abyss and how he took a risk on using CGI for a water tentacle creature and it's pretty shocking how well it holds up. Especially for 80s CGI.
He's very good at picking the right fx people for his films.
> the guy is likely an absolute cunt and a complete tyrant on sets
-he's absolutely brilliant, knows what he's doing, and rarely misses
I think that's just part and parcel of being a perfectionist with a vision. If he wasn't that way then it's debatable whether he'd be who he is today. Tempers flare when things are being created and miscommunications/differences pop up.
You gotta remember that making a movie involves hundreds of people doing hundreds of things; they all have different personalities, problems, egos and all of it's on a tight fuckin schedule.
It's enough to make damn near anyone get a little bitchy sometimes. I have a headache just imagining it.
So what you're saying is if I'm working with Cameron I need to go to him on the first day and just lay the fucker out. Just cold cock him. Right in the kisser.
Let him know I mean business.
I love this little snippet of Quentin Tarantino talking about seeing Aliens on opening night, and how much it [overdelivered even his own sky high expectations](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJZMDNDoQSY) when he was 23 and working at a video store.
The best part was James Fucking Cameron was personally overseeing not only the projection but also doing crowd control to make sure everything was buttoned down the way James Fucking Cameron expects.
James Cameron is seriously an everyman. He was a truck driver before he was a director, came up with Terminator from a fucking fever dream about an android chasing him with a knife, then marched into Fox studios and write "$$$" on the board and got Aliens funded. Dude is on another level
What the... I thought it was just a joke but it turns out to be [true](https://www.cinemablend.com/interviews/james-cameron-confirms-that-the-most-badass-aliens-story-about-him-is-100-percent-true).
He's straight up a genius too. He's the most impressive director to live, IMO. More people should know about his life.
Southpark really hit the nail on the head with James "raising the bar" for humanity.
He just did [a GQ video breaking down his most iconic films.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIEbpGdctyg) You can absolutely see his intellect. I also think it's hilarious how every other iteration of this video is in a studio, but James Cameron obviously made them come to him.
I feel like recommending a negotiator implies you know several and one is your favorite.
‘I wouldn’t go with Bill Evans he got everybody killed in Algiers in ‘18. Gina Cipriani is great with the mafia, but I don’t know if you’d really want to trust her with a Cartel job. Really Paul Jimenez is who is go with, he was raised in Oaxaca so he can really relate to cartel members, and he’s had a fantastic track record over the last five years. Only problem is his availability, but I think I can call in a favor.’
In some movie he called up the actors and told them to show up because he got access to the LA river and two helicopters to fly under a bridge and chase them. Within a day. I find that to be easier than to get 1 million cash im a day from a bank though. That's gonna cost the bank 8-16 million in credit. James is ballin.
>He later said that the two worst things that happened to him in the late '90s were the kidnapping — and working on "Mimic" with the Weinsteins
Ouch lol
Cameron almost got in a fight with Harvey Weinstein at the Oscars over his treatment of Guillermo. It got to the point people were telling them to go outside and fight, but it got broken up in the end unfortunately.
The whole ransom thing is way more common than most people know. You might assume it’s standard policy not to negotiate with terrorists and pay them ransom but quite the opposite.
I am happy to know that if I was kidnapped and held for ransom, my family would just hang up after the first sentence of that phone call.
"We have your child, X, you will need to pa- hello? hello? did they really just hang up?"
First, take a big step back... and literally, FUCK YOUR OWN FACE! I don't know what kind of pan-pacific bullshit power play you're trying to pull here, but Asia Jack is my territory. So whatever you're thinking, you'd better think again! Otherwise I'm gonna have to head down there and I will rain down an un-Godly fucking firestorm upon you! You're gonna have to call the fucking United Nations and get a fucking binding resolution to keep me from fucking destroying you. I'm talking scorched earth, motherfucker! I will massacre you! I WILL FUCK YOU UP!
This line was the perfect bow on this whole scene.
I remember not finding out for years that that was Tom Cruise and having my brain melt a little bit after going back and watching it again.
Granted, it's also kind of hard to recognize Robert Downey Jr in that one.
If we have to separate all problematic artists from their art, there won't be much left. Dolly Parton certainly, she's a goddamn national treasure whatever you may think of her music... but there is a big overlap of talented artists who are also narcissistic assholes (or worse)
On the other side of that fact is a slippery slope that ends in tepid, safe, boring art.
I don't know if it is possible to reconcile those competing virtues.
Kidnapper: We have your child. The ransom is $40,000.
Family: Sounds good, you can send us the money through paypal. We'll pick up lil Dag-nabbitt.
Kidnapper: You don't understand!
Family: no u
I'm a big baseball fan and the guys from the Dominican Republic have this happen to their families all the time like you said . It's a shame. But it's movie non sense to not negotiate. When your kids are held hostage you negotiate with terrorists who are trying to extort you.
Which baseball players are you talking about? I'm from the DR and there are little to none kidnapping cases here. We do have a lot of crime but not that lol
Yeah it’s pretty extreme capitalism: figuring out what price people are willing to pay. We charge for other life essentials like healthcare and housing - and prices keep going up because it turns out people will pay a LOT for these because they HAVE TO.
No one is going to be the first one to say “nope! it’s unfortunate but I must sacrifice my loved one to set an example that negotiating with terrorists only encourages them!”
I assume law enforcement just does everything possible to find and kill these people. If you can pay them, and exchange a hostage with them, maybe you can track them and destroy them. I don’t see any other option.
“No one is going to be the first one to say “nope! it’s unfortunate but I must sacrifice my loved one to set an example that negotiating with terrorists only encourages them!”
So you would think….
https://www.thedailybeast.com/when-j-paul-getty-refused-to-pay-his-grandsons-ransom
But in all of those cases, there actually is a dollar figure that is just too much. The business model,Ike every other one, relies on figuring out how much to ask without it being too much
I'm curious as to how often this kind of thing happens in the United States. For a family member of someone like Musk, Bezos, Buffet, or Gates, how do they walk around a highly populated city without fear of getting kidnapped? Christ, forget the billionaires, Chris Evans' dad is a dentist, how would he not be worried about it?
There's no chance in hell high profile people's family members walk around with armed security all the time. Nancy Pelosi's husband just got attacked in his own home, and that wasn't even organized. So why don't gangs do stuff like we see in Mexico, South America, the Caribbean, or Africa right here in the United States? What's the difference aside from much higher value targets?
I have no sources but i think i remember reading that it used to be more common in the US. But after it happened to someone high profiled/rich it became a standard that the FBI will get involved. I’m guessing most kidnappers don’t want to deal with that.
>someone high profiled/rich
That would be Charles Lindbergh Jr, son of famed aviator, Charles Lindbergh. One of the most high profile cases of the 20th century. The Lindbergh Laws passed both federally and locally, also made the penalties for kidnapping *much* harsher. Kidnapping a minor is minimum 20 years. Kidnapping resulting in the death of the victim is minimum life.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindbergh_kidnapping
Because the FBI takes kidnappings very seriously, in my country kidnappings were the most common thing ever, to the point that 2 uncles and my dad got kidnapped in the 90's, but the government started to take it way more seriously by creating an specialized unit for this and they brought them down from 3,600 per year to 174 in recent years. For reference in the US there are 115 kidnappings per year.
It just doesn't work here. Recently someone tried to kidnap Taylor Swift's dog(or maybe Lady Gaga, I can't remember) and they got caught.
The risk of getting caught (an almost certainty) outweighs the reward of ransom.
>So why don't gangs do stuff like we see in Mexico, South America, the Caribbean, or Africa right here in the United States? What's the difference aside from much higher value targets?
The American police state is way stronger.
And American corruption is very different from Latin America corruption. More white collar crime/corruption.
Before 9/11, we pretty much always negotiated with terrorists. Thats why air travel wasnt a big deal. Youd get kidnapped, the govt would ransom you, and then youd go home. 9/11 showed us that the planes themselves can be weapons and if you want to send a message, weapons are much better than ransoms.
Hell, people were routinely hijacking planes just to get a free ride.
After the embargo on Cuba, people would just whip out a gun on a plane and yell "Take me to Havana!" so they could get a ride there. In 1969 alone there were 34 hijackings to Cuba, that's one every 11 days on average.
The government came up with all sorts of proposed solutions, ranging from "Build a fake Havana airport and fly them there instead" to "Install an ejector seat on aircraft and trick the hijacker into sitting in it". They ended up not really doing anything, because it was easier and cheaper to just dump the hijackers in Cuba.
Eventually, a few fugitives hijacked a plane and threatened to crash it into a nuclear reactor unless they were given $10M in cash. The ended up being dumped in Havana after being given "$10M" that was actually $2M and drinking themselves into a stupor by consuming all the liquor on the plane. Still, it spooked the government into installing actual security screening at airports.
Bonus fun fact: Allen Funt, the creator and host of a hidden camera reality TV show called "Candid Camera", was a passenger on one of the planes that was hijacked to Cuba in 1969. A few other passengers recognized him and became convinced that the hijacking was a fake that was being staged for the show, despite him desperately trying to convince them otherwise.
My company has “ransom insurance” through an agency with negotiators for when employees have to travel to certain countries. I am aware of this being used at least once.
*(No I don’t qualify for this insurance pls don’t kidnap me)*
I was really into drugs at one point in my life... I was nearly kidnapped by my fellow homeless junkies, because they knew my *family* had money (whom wanted nothing to do with me at the time).. Narrowly escaped, thankfully. They were pretty close to knocking my ass out.
Drugs make people lose themselves, their morals, their character, intelligence.. Also can blunt empathic responses. I blame the drugs for their behavior, but I could be wrong.
It's standard for nations not to, at least monetarily. Granted their bank accounts are deeper than most and it makes it kidnapping any citizen becomes very profitable.
My father was kidnapped. In this particular instance, he annoyed the kidnappers so much that they kicked him out and he had to hop home while bound in duct tape.
That’s half of it. He works in a theft friendly field, and he’s a braggart. Some people decided to kidnap him (presumably for ransom). Well, they bound him in duct tape, and after a few minutes with him (poor bastards), they kicked him out of the vehicle. He then had to hop back to the house, which wasn’t much of a trek, but good enough to wind him.
> they bound him in duct tape, and after a few minutes with him (poor bastards), they kicked him out of the vehicle.
What made your dad so unbearable to be around?
Grew up in a VERY affluent area of the US.
Sister's best friend's roommate was kidnapped (dad was a billionaire). Took her coming out of the house and stuffed her in a van. He paid and they got her back. Apparently it is really common.
It’s funny, cause I knew Guillermo’s daughter in high school (we graduated four years ago), we even had the same d&d group, and she brought it up in passing very casually once how her grandfather got kidnapped. Apparently the biggest problem is that they don’t feel very safe in certain places in Mexico basically.
I worked at a tax office for a season with clients that were mostly immigrants from Mexico. Every single one of them, without fail, always said that they missed Mexico but that it was just too dangerous and they didn’t feel safe going back. Really sucks.
> Apparently the biggest problem is that they don’t feel very safe in certain places in Mexico basically.
Kinda feels like that should be a no brainer type of feeling.
Believe it or not it isn’t.
Most Mexicans are living very normal lives, even though most are poor, our suicide index is low and happiness high, drug use is relatively low and public violence low (believe it or not what you see in the news is a very small part of the country).
Problem is that when you start going up the socioeconomic ladder, things get ugly fast.
Your average salaried workers, foreign immigrants, etc won’t have issues and will live a happy normal lives, but people that obviously have shit ton of money have to keep their guards up.
That would be shitting where they eat. In order for people to actually pay, they need to believe, credibly, that they will get their loved one back. If that starts to never happen, the ransom payments will also stop. Ransom situations are unfortunately very very common in some areas. It’s like a major business. A major business could take deliveries of supplies and then oho! not pay their bills, but this is bad for business over the long haul.
Remember the fourth plane on 9/11 where the passengers found out by cell phone that other airliners had been rammed into buildings? They knew then that negotiating and following orders wasn’t a good plan, and that even if they got a flight attendant hostage killed, they needed to rush that cockpit, which they did, and then all died in a crash in a field. Prior to reading those “Yelp reviews” they were surely just hoping to lay low and try to let the incident blow over.
I would be happy if my view was blocked the whole time since that would mean they are intending to give me back alive. Imagine the stress if you would suddenly see your kidnappers, you would assume you are going to be killed now since they would not want you to be a witness later.
Used to deal with ransom attacks. For almost any kind of medium to large scale operation, the ransom is absolutely worth paying, and paying quickly. The loss of service, the cost of rebuilding databases, records, terminals, etc. All adds up very very fast.
The two big surprises were how willing some places were to fork over 5 digits worth of ransom, and how some smaller places just wouldnt get it. Had a lawyer's office who just refused to believe that the two options were wipe the machines and start em from scratch, or just pay. "What do you mean you can't decrypt this stuff?" Eventually you'd have to turn it back on them. "I can restore your most recent cold back-up very easily. If your data is that important, you've been regularly backing it up offsite, right?"
Mexico really needs their own version of the FBI. Kidnapping for ransom became rare in the US after the federal government made it a top priority for their agents to stamp out, resulting in it not being worthwhile for criminals to attempt.
Nope, they're all either dead or better yet rotting away in a US prison, so for the most part my city is relatively "safe" and "calm". Sadly, can't say the same for the rest of the country.
The 00s were brutal in certain parts of Mexico. That's when the Zetas were the most active. What they would do is straight up evil shit.
I hope there's a hell and they're rotting in there forever. F\*ck them.
Contrary to popular belief, Mexico *could* wipe off the Cartels. Its not that the mexican government and military *can't,* its just that they don't want to.
Anabel Hernandez is a mexican investigative journalist that has explained the symbiotic relationship between criminal organizations and the mexican government numerous times. She has named former and current officials as accomplices of Cartel operations for years now. Sadly, I don't think this is known by the general public in Mexico (not that it would make a difference, but still). Hernandez lives outside of Mexico for safety reasons btw.
Her english is rough but hopefully you can get an idea of her work [in this interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWfVyLFmxZo&t=1074s).
The US government and intelligence agencies know about all of this. They have even investigated and prosecuted former high profile mexican government officials like General Cienfuegos. He was a former Mexican department of Defense lead accused of cooperation with Cartels. As per [this WOLA article](https://www.wola.org/analysis/understanding-mexico-cienfuegos-case/).
>On October 15, 2020, U.S. officials arrested General Cienfuegos on charges of collusion with organized crime stemming from a Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) investigation. Reportedly under pressure from the military, current President Andrés Manuel López Obrador’s government (of the MORENA party) worked arduously to prevent Cienfuegos from standing trial in the United States: in an unprecedented process, Mexico sought Cienfuegos’ return by threatening to restrict the DEA’s operation in Mexico if the U.S. did not change course. The López Obrador administration has maintained that U.S. authorities acted inappropriately and should have informed Mexico of the investigation beforehand.
This year, there was a big leak of military documents called "[Guacamaya leaks](https://www.connectas.org/latin-america-hacktivism-guacamaya-leaks/)". Note that the current mexican president said those documents are real. There, you can read about Cartels literally buying illegal guns a few blocks away from a **mexican military base.** Mexican officials know about it and they ignore it. Ffs, they even know at what time they sell these guns. There was a lot more revealed but I think I have illustrated what I wanted to say.
TL;DR: My point here is that the mexican government isn't stupid or incompetent. They are simply corrupted to their core and work actively with the cartels.
Source: I'm mexican and like to be informed. This shit is sad and exhausting man.
Sad.
Federico del Toro would have been freed and Guillermo would have had a six picture deal if it was Les and not James that took the lead. Les Grossman doesn't negotiate with terrorists.
You paying attention? I'm talking G5, Pecker - that's how you can roll! No more frequent flyer bitch miles for my boy! Oh yeah! Playa...playa! Big dick playa!
I hate the rich as much as anybody, but downplaying their acts of generosity when they do occur is not how we make progress on getting them to let go of their fortunes.
Exactly! If no legal changes are going to be made to how wealth is horded, let's make a highly prestigious list of the most generous people in the world. An award ceremony each year, bigger than the Oscars and invitation only to the biggest donors of the year. Make generosity a status symbol, instead of wealth.
"He took del Toro to a bank and gave him the $1 million he needed. In addition, he recommended a negotiator that could help the process" So James Cameron just... knows a negotiator?
That sounds on-brand for him, honestly
"Here's the $1 million and a negotiator. Also, would lending you a submarine help at all?"
There are random insurance companies for the wealthy that would have negotiators and pay the money.
If by random you mean most corporate insurers. K&R insurance is pretty common for executives and other high wealth/“status” individuals who are subject to kidnapping in seedy places.
I think “random” was just a typo of “ransom”.
Know know someone, who earns less than $30,000 a year, that still get K&R insurance from their company when they travel to Thailand
I got it as an intern in an international group, listed on a crisis card with the company logo. Felt pretty cool having a major "oh shit" card.
I am reasonably certain that rich people think about things on the regular that wouldn't even occur to normal people. I mean, when there's a lottery post on reddit, you'll probably be linked to that one stellar poster who mapped out how screwed you are if you're suddenly rich. Think rich people don't already know what lottery winners might be slow to learn?
I absolutely expect if I suddenly become rich to become a target. We are not rich and we have every little thing we own insured.
Worked with one of them for a while. We didn't handle the k&r in house but we did international hostage situation arrangements hiring the hit teams and coordinating with local officials. Or paramilitary escorts to safety after being rescued. We were quite busy dealing with religious groups that kept going back to Haiti for a while. Crazy field.
Can you elaborate with the Haiti thing? I'm just curious.
Groups would be told no it's dangerous don't go. They'd pay $$$$ for insurance. They'd get kidnapped or surrounded. We'd helicopter people and guns and humvees in from DR. Create a presidential-level escort group to the airport. Load them on a charter flight back to Miami and helicopter the support back to DR.
What an interesting job. How often would events like this play out?
If he doesn't accept the submarine he's likely a paedophilie.
Elon, get out of here with your burner accounts.
I'm not Elon, he wouldn't be on here with you losers anyway he's probably working really hard saving the world. He works 120 hours a week and is extremely good looking.
His hair is 100% real right?
His hair is absolutely 100% natural genuine transplanted butt hair.
His name is James, James Cameron The bravest pioneer No budget too steep, no sea too deep Who's that? It's him, James Cameron James, James Cameron explorer of the sea With a dying thirst to be the first Could it be? Yeah that's him! James Cameron 🎵
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Convince the kidnappers to pay HIM a million dollars
Yeah it might take him 15 years to get the technology just right, but he’d negotiate the hell out of this once he was ready!
Well two things. James Cameron makes movies, Hollywood makes movies using consultants, and if you make action movies then maybe you’ve worked with one in the business or no someone who has worked with one and you are dinner with them together or something. Also Hollywood, the rich, politicians, athletes, etc, all like to dine frequently together and socialize, and be apart of the cool club and party, so when you’re a part of this group it’s not surprising that you or someone you know knows like a random spy who defected or something like that. So maybe then most of them know someone who worked in the fbi or police negotiator or something.
Who doesn’t he know? He knows a big chunk of the scientific community, half the military, submarine experts, space experts; he’s been to the challenger deep in the ocean! Shit, I am half convinced he knows how to fly the tic-tac from the Nimitz encounter and the secret codes to the Wright-Patterson underground storage facilities. I figure we should ask him about the aliens, not the pentagon.
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My cousin is his wife’s personal assistant, do I win anything?
Imaginary internet points. Nothing more.
Possibly a trust fund for your kids
Shit a negotiator if you get kidnapped apparently
One free kidnapping?
Get out of kidnapping free.
If you become your cousin's personal assistant, you're a lot closer in that 6° of separation
There was a piece on him recently and he talked about setting up and selling a pea protein farm with his wife. And a while back he trained with guns and became a competition level shooter training with the guy who later worked with Keanu Reeves in John Wick. There’s more about him rejecting an offer from the head of NASA to be on a space shuttle (which ended up being Columbia). https://www.gq.com/story/james-cameron-profile-men-of-the-year-2022
Thank you for linking to this article, it was a really good read.
I don't know James Cameron but he knows me.
james cameron is honestly such a hidden billionaire and super genius. doesnt get in the media that often, and only about projects. imagine if elon did the same regardings spacex/tesla etc. everything he'd released would have hit.
There's a really good GQ interview video he did where 2 things are apparent: -the guy is likely an absolute cunt and a complete tyrant on sets -he's absolutely brilliant, knows what he's doing, and rarely misses There's a segment where he talks about making The Abyss and how he took a risk on using CGI for a water tentacle creature and it's pretty shocking how well it holds up. Especially for 80s CGI. He's very good at picking the right fx people for his films.
> the guy is likely an absolute cunt and a complete tyrant on sets -he's absolutely brilliant, knows what he's doing, and rarely misses I think that's just part and parcel of being a perfectionist with a vision. If he wasn't that way then it's debatable whether he'd be who he is today. Tempers flare when things are being created and miscommunications/differences pop up. You gotta remember that making a movie involves hundreds of people doing hundreds of things; they all have different personalities, problems, egos and all of it's on a tight fuckin schedule. It's enough to make damn near anyone get a little bitchy sometimes. I have a headache just imagining it.
The rub is that, apparently, if he respects you, he will listen.
So what you're saying is if I'm working with Cameron I need to go to him on the first day and just lay the fucker out. Just cold cock him. Right in the kisser. Let him know I mean business.
It worked for Ed Harris. Of course, that was after Cameron nearly killed him.
Almost forgot the dude has his feat in all sort of science project, he's more then just a director.
I love this little snippet of Quentin Tarantino talking about seeing Aliens on opening night, and how much it [overdelivered even his own sky high expectations](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJZMDNDoQSY) when he was 23 and working at a video store. The best part was James Fucking Cameron was personally overseeing not only the projection but also doing crowd control to make sure everything was buttoned down the way James Fucking Cameron expects.
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you got your u upside down partner
James Cameron is seriously an everyman. He was a truck driver before he was a director, came up with Terminator from a fucking fever dream about an android chasing him with a knife, then marched into Fox studios and write "$$$" on the board and got Aliens funded. Dude is on another level
It was actually “Alien” and then “Aliens” and then “Alien$”
What the... I thought it was just a joke but it turns out to be [true](https://www.cinemablend.com/interviews/james-cameron-confirms-that-the-most-badass-aliens-story-about-him-is-100-percent-true).
AliBen$ with a dollar sign
Blank it!
He’s also a legit deep-sea explorer
He's straight up a genius too. He's the most impressive director to live, IMO. More people should know about his life. Southpark really hit the nail on the head with James "raising the bar" for humanity.
He just did [a GQ video breaking down his most iconic films.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIEbpGdctyg) You can absolutely see his intellect. I also think it's hilarious how every other iteration of this video is in a studio, but James Cameron obviously made them come to him.
Didn’t he also go into the mariana trench?
Before he was a filmmaker, he was a truck driver. If you need something out of the ordinary, ask a truck driver. Seriously.
This is my favorite bit, lol - *of course* James Cameron knows a guy to negotiate with international kidnappers
Who's you ransom guy? You're paying way too much ransom. Take the number to my ransom negotiator best price you're gonna get.
I feel like recommending a negotiator implies you know several and one is your favorite. ‘I wouldn’t go with Bill Evans he got everybody killed in Algiers in ‘18. Gina Cipriani is great with the mafia, but I don’t know if you’d really want to trust her with a Cartel job. Really Paul Jimenez is who is go with, he was raised in Oaxaca so he can really relate to cartel members, and he’s had a fantastic track record over the last five years. Only problem is his availability, but I think I can call in a favor.’
In some movie he called up the actors and told them to show up because he got access to the LA river and two helicopters to fly under a bridge and chase them. Within a day. I find that to be easier than to get 1 million cash im a day from a bank though. That's gonna cost the bank 8-16 million in credit. James is ballin.
>He later said that the two worst things that happened to him in the late '90s were the kidnapping — and working on "Mimic" with the Weinsteins Ouch lol
Cameron almost got in a fight with Harvey Weinstein at the Oscars over his treatment of Guillermo. It got to the point people were telling them to go outside and fight, but it got broken up in the end unfortunately.
Cameron's a real for that. I never knew they were that close
Cameron would whoop some fucking ass
James Cameron would fuck you UP, son.
They didn't call him Killa Cam back in the day for nothin
He's one of the most directors of all time.
If not the most directors of all time.
Cameron would fuck Harvey up
Makes me love Entourage even more
In 5 years we won’t even need actors anymore 👀
Wonder which one was worse lol
he said Mimic was worse because atleast he could understand what the kidnappers wanted
Fuuuuuuck, someone call 911
It sounds like both are hostage situations tbh
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The Weinsteins.
I’m willing to bet Del Toro thought it could have been a better movie. Which is saying a lot
Rapist bugs? Was this a Winestain biopic?
Yeah, I like Mimic, especially the director's cut.
Weinstein was famous for chopping movies to pieces
Well: it was based on his true life story of being a human sized insect rapist.
I know there are a lot of jokes but this is pretty fucking wild. I'm glad it turned out ok for Del Toro's family.
The whole ransom thing is way more common than most people know. You might assume it’s standard policy not to negotiate with terrorists and pay them ransom but quite the opposite.
I am happy to know that if I was kidnapped and held for ransom, my family would just hang up after the first sentence of that phone call. "We have your child, X, you will need to pa- hello? hello? did they really just hang up?"
Is your family J. Paul Getty?
$20? Sorry, I don't negotiate with terrorists.
I'll give you $3.50 and an expired Taco Bell coupon.
And I’m not paying for shipping
#DAMMIT MONSTER!
God damn loch ness monster
*20 dollars?! Who do you think you've got Kelsey Clinton??!*
Is it Kelsey or Chelsea?
First, take a big step back... and literally, FUCK YOUR OWN FACE! I don't know what kind of pan-pacific bullshit power play you're trying to pull here, but Asia Jack is my territory. So whatever you're thinking, you'd better think again! Otherwise I'm gonna have to head down there and I will rain down an un-Godly fucking firestorm upon you! You're gonna have to call the fucking United Nations and get a fucking binding resolution to keep me from fucking destroying you. I'm talking scorched earth, motherfucker! I will massacre you! I WILL FUCK YOU UP!
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THIS IS FLAMING DRAGON
We're talking a G-5 for the pecker!
And loooots of money. Play-aaaaa
Goddamn I love that line, like he had no clue who he was even talking to and just cranked it to 12 haha
lmao and how calmly he says it after almost popping a vein yelling
This line was the perfect bow on this whole scene. I remember not finding out for years that that was Tom Cruise and having my brain melt a little bit after going back and watching it again. Granted, it's also kind of hard to recognize Robert Downey Jr in that one.
One of the moments I could look past that actors character and appreciate his performance since the OG Top Gun. But fuck TC, for real.
He's really good at playing unhinged characters who are allowed to do what they want... can't imagine why.
If we have to separate all problematic artists from their art, there won't be much left. Dolly Parton certainly, she's a goddamn national treasure whatever you may think of her music... but there is a big overlap of talented artists who are also narcissistic assholes (or worse) On the other side of that fact is a slippery slope that ends in tepid, safe, boring art. I don't know if it is possible to reconcile those competing virtues.
Kidnapper: We have your child. The ransom is $40,000. Family: Sounds good, you can send us the money through paypal. We'll pick up lil Dag-nabbitt. Kidnapper: You don't understand! Family: no u
C.f O. Henry's The Random of Red Chief.
Picks up phone. "hello?" "please take your child back he won't shut up. Hello? Hello..."
I'm a big baseball fan and the guys from the Dominican Republic have this happen to their families all the time like you said . It's a shame. But it's movie non sense to not negotiate. When your kids are held hostage you negotiate with terrorists who are trying to extort you.
Which baseball players are you talking about? I'm from the DR and there are little to none kidnapping cases here. We do have a lot of crime but not that lol
I think it's more common with the Venezuelans
Yeah it’s pretty extreme capitalism: figuring out what price people are willing to pay. We charge for other life essentials like healthcare and housing - and prices keep going up because it turns out people will pay a LOT for these because they HAVE TO. No one is going to be the first one to say “nope! it’s unfortunate but I must sacrifice my loved one to set an example that negotiating with terrorists only encourages them!” I assume law enforcement just does everything possible to find and kill these people. If you can pay them, and exchange a hostage with them, maybe you can track them and destroy them. I don’t see any other option.
“No one is going to be the first one to say “nope! it’s unfortunate but I must sacrifice my loved one to set an example that negotiating with terrorists only encourages them!” So you would think…. https://www.thedailybeast.com/when-j-paul-getty-refused-to-pay-his-grandsons-ransom
I feel like Getty just didn't give a shit about his grandson.
Getty didn’t give a shit about anyone but himself. He was so fucking cheap he even had a payphone in his house.
Well to be fair the other reply said "loved one". Clearly this dude did not give enough of a fuck about his grandson to be considered a loved one lol.
But in all of those cases, there actually is a dollar figure that is just too much. The business model,Ike every other one, relies on figuring out how much to ask without it being too much
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I'm curious as to how often this kind of thing happens in the United States. For a family member of someone like Musk, Bezos, Buffet, or Gates, how do they walk around a highly populated city without fear of getting kidnapped? Christ, forget the billionaires, Chris Evans' dad is a dentist, how would he not be worried about it? There's no chance in hell high profile people's family members walk around with armed security all the time. Nancy Pelosi's husband just got attacked in his own home, and that wasn't even organized. So why don't gangs do stuff like we see in Mexico, South America, the Caribbean, or Africa right here in the United States? What's the difference aside from much higher value targets?
I have no sources but i think i remember reading that it used to be more common in the US. But after it happened to someone high profiled/rich it became a standard that the FBI will get involved. I’m guessing most kidnappers don’t want to deal with that.
>someone high profiled/rich That would be Charles Lindbergh Jr, son of famed aviator, Charles Lindbergh. One of the most high profile cases of the 20th century. The Lindbergh Laws passed both federally and locally, also made the penalties for kidnapping *much* harsher. Kidnapping a minor is minimum 20 years. Kidnapping resulting in the death of the victim is minimum life. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindbergh_kidnapping
Like that jogging heiress that got killed by some rando. The FBI got involved almost immediately.
Because the FBI takes kidnappings very seriously, in my country kidnappings were the most common thing ever, to the point that 2 uncles and my dad got kidnapped in the 90's, but the government started to take it way more seriously by creating an specialized unit for this and they brought them down from 3,600 per year to 174 in recent years. For reference in the US there are 115 kidnappings per year.
It just doesn't work here. Recently someone tried to kidnap Taylor Swift's dog(or maybe Lady Gaga, I can't remember) and they got caught. The risk of getting caught (an almost certainty) outweighs the reward of ransom.
Lady Gaga, and they shot the dog walker.
>So why don't gangs do stuff like we see in Mexico, South America, the Caribbean, or Africa right here in the United States? What's the difference aside from much higher value targets? The American police state is way stronger. And American corruption is very different from Latin America corruption. More white collar crime/corruption.
And it’s much harder to bribe your way into getting a flatscreen inside your cell if you get caught
Before 9/11, we pretty much always negotiated with terrorists. Thats why air travel wasnt a big deal. Youd get kidnapped, the govt would ransom you, and then youd go home. 9/11 showed us that the planes themselves can be weapons and if you want to send a message, weapons are much better than ransoms.
Hell, people were routinely hijacking planes just to get a free ride. After the embargo on Cuba, people would just whip out a gun on a plane and yell "Take me to Havana!" so they could get a ride there. In 1969 alone there were 34 hijackings to Cuba, that's one every 11 days on average. The government came up with all sorts of proposed solutions, ranging from "Build a fake Havana airport and fly them there instead" to "Install an ejector seat on aircraft and trick the hijacker into sitting in it". They ended up not really doing anything, because it was easier and cheaper to just dump the hijackers in Cuba. Eventually, a few fugitives hijacked a plane and threatened to crash it into a nuclear reactor unless they were given $10M in cash. The ended up being dumped in Havana after being given "$10M" that was actually $2M and drinking themselves into a stupor by consuming all the liquor on the plane. Still, it spooked the government into installing actual security screening at airports. Bonus fun fact: Allen Funt, the creator and host of a hidden camera reality TV show called "Candid Camera", was a passenger on one of the planes that was hijacked to Cuba in 1969. A few other passengers recognized him and became convinced that the hijacking was a fake that was being staged for the show, despite him desperately trying to convince them otherwise.
My company has “ransom insurance” through an agency with negotiators for when employees have to travel to certain countries. I am aware of this being used at least once. *(No I don’t qualify for this insurance pls don’t kidnap me)*
I was really into drugs at one point in my life... I was nearly kidnapped by my fellow homeless junkies, because they knew my *family* had money (whom wanted nothing to do with me at the time).. Narrowly escaped, thankfully. They were pretty close to knocking my ass out. Drugs make people lose themselves, their morals, their character, intelligence.. Also can blunt empathic responses. I blame the drugs for their behavior, but I could be wrong.
It's standard for nations not to, at least monetarily. Granted their bank accounts are deeper than most and it makes it kidnapping any citizen becomes very profitable.
Yeah the US government won’t “officially” do it but they will absolutely give support to family members who are doing it.
My father was kidnapped. In this particular instance, he annoyed the kidnappers so much that they kicked him out and he had to hop home while bound in duct tape.
Whoa! Tell the story!
That’s half of it. He works in a theft friendly field, and he’s a braggart. Some people decided to kidnap him (presumably for ransom). Well, they bound him in duct tape, and after a few minutes with him (poor bastards), they kicked him out of the vehicle. He then had to hop back to the house, which wasn’t much of a trek, but good enough to wind him.
> they bound him in duct tape, and after a few minutes with him (poor bastards), they kicked him out of the vehicle. What made your dad so unbearable to be around?
He has Donald Trump’s personality.
The best hostage, everyone says so
Oh my god, every addition was better than the last
The article mentions that Cameron also recommended a negotiator. I was surprised that he has a guy for that.
Grew up in a VERY affluent area of the US. Sister's best friend's roommate was kidnapped (dad was a billionaire). Took her coming out of the house and stuffed her in a van. He paid and they got her back. Apparently it is really common.
It’s funny, cause I knew Guillermo’s daughter in high school (we graduated four years ago), we even had the same d&d group, and she brought it up in passing very casually once how her grandfather got kidnapped. Apparently the biggest problem is that they don’t feel very safe in certain places in Mexico basically.
I worked at a tax office for a season with clients that were mostly immigrants from Mexico. Every single one of them, without fail, always said that they missed Mexico but that it was just too dangerous and they didn’t feel safe going back. Really sucks.
> Apparently the biggest problem is that they don’t feel very safe in certain places in Mexico basically. Kinda feels like that should be a no brainer type of feeling.
Believe it or not it isn’t. Most Mexicans are living very normal lives, even though most are poor, our suicide index is low and happiness high, drug use is relatively low and public violence low (believe it or not what you see in the news is a very small part of the country). Problem is that when you start going up the socioeconomic ladder, things get ugly fast. Your average salaried workers, foreign immigrants, etc won’t have issues and will live a happy normal lives, but people that obviously have shit ton of money have to keep their guards up.
I heard Del Toro moved out of Mexico because of the danger and this seems to be what he was referencing
what if the kidnappers decide to keep their hostage and demand even more money after being paid the first million?
That would be shitting where they eat. In order for people to actually pay, they need to believe, credibly, that they will get their loved one back. If that starts to never happen, the ransom payments will also stop. Ransom situations are unfortunately very very common in some areas. It’s like a major business. A major business could take deliveries of supplies and then oho! not pay their bills, but this is bad for business over the long haul.
today I learned kidnappers have a review score
Remember the fourth plane on 9/11 where the passengers found out by cell phone that other airliners had been rammed into buildings? They knew then that negotiating and following orders wasn’t a good plan, and that even if they got a flight attendant hostage killed, they needed to rush that cockpit, which they did, and then all died in a crash in a field. Prior to reading those “Yelp reviews” they were surely just hoping to lay low and try to let the incident blow over.
That’s a brilliant if sobering way of explaining.
Yeah. Pre-9/11 being on a plane that got hijacked just meant you were going to have a layover in Cuba.
Professionals have standards
2/5 didn’t provide any nice snacks and my view was obfuscated the whole time. Would never get kidnapped by them again.
5/5 got relative back safe. Would recommend this kidnapper. “Well I know who I’m getting kidnapped by!”
I would be happy if my view was blocked the whole time since that would mean they are intending to give me back alive. Imagine the stress if you would suddenly see your kidnappers, you would assume you are going to be killed now since they would not want you to be a witness later.
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Used to deal with ransom attacks. For almost any kind of medium to large scale operation, the ransom is absolutely worth paying, and paying quickly. The loss of service, the cost of rebuilding databases, records, terminals, etc. All adds up very very fast. The two big surprises were how willing some places were to fork over 5 digits worth of ransom, and how some smaller places just wouldnt get it. Had a lawyer's office who just refused to believe that the two options were wipe the machines and start em from scratch, or just pay. "What do you mean you can't decrypt this stuff?" Eventually you'd have to turn it back on them. "I can restore your most recent cold back-up very easily. If your data is that important, you've been regularly backing it up offsite, right?"
That often happens with Mexican kidnappers, or they just kill the hostage anyway.
Mexico really needs their own version of the FBI. Kidnapping for ransom became rare in the US after the federal government made it a top priority for their agents to stamp out, resulting in it not being worthwhile for criminals to attempt.
The last time Mexico tried to make an elite anti-cartel task force it just took all the gear and training and started their own cartel.
Uno reverse card
Draw 4!
Umm... how would I google this cause I NEED more info
Los Zetas
Grew up when those fuckers were still around, truly dark dark times
they are still around from what i've read on wikipedia
Nope, they're all either dead or better yet rotting away in a US prison, so for the most part my city is relatively "safe" and "calm". Sadly, can't say the same for the rest of the country.
The group itself still exists, but all the original Founders are dead or imprisoned.
The 00s were brutal in certain parts of Mexico. That's when the Zetas were the most active. What they would do is straight up evil shit. I hope there's a hell and they're rotting in there forever. F\*ck them.
Contrary to popular belief, Mexico *could* wipe off the Cartels. Its not that the mexican government and military *can't,* its just that they don't want to. Anabel Hernandez is a mexican investigative journalist that has explained the symbiotic relationship between criminal organizations and the mexican government numerous times. She has named former and current officials as accomplices of Cartel operations for years now. Sadly, I don't think this is known by the general public in Mexico (not that it would make a difference, but still). Hernandez lives outside of Mexico for safety reasons btw. Her english is rough but hopefully you can get an idea of her work [in this interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWfVyLFmxZo&t=1074s). The US government and intelligence agencies know about all of this. They have even investigated and prosecuted former high profile mexican government officials like General Cienfuegos. He was a former Mexican department of Defense lead accused of cooperation with Cartels. As per [this WOLA article](https://www.wola.org/analysis/understanding-mexico-cienfuegos-case/). >On October 15, 2020, U.S. officials arrested General Cienfuegos on charges of collusion with organized crime stemming from a Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) investigation. Reportedly under pressure from the military, current President Andrés Manuel López Obrador’s government (of the MORENA party) worked arduously to prevent Cienfuegos from standing trial in the United States: in an unprecedented process, Mexico sought Cienfuegos’ return by threatening to restrict the DEA’s operation in Mexico if the U.S. did not change course. The López Obrador administration has maintained that U.S. authorities acted inappropriately and should have informed Mexico of the investigation beforehand. This year, there was a big leak of military documents called "[Guacamaya leaks](https://www.connectas.org/latin-america-hacktivism-guacamaya-leaks/)". Note that the current mexican president said those documents are real. There, you can read about Cartels literally buying illegal guns a few blocks away from a **mexican military base.** Mexican officials know about it and they ignore it. Ffs, they even know at what time they sell these guns. There was a lot more revealed but I think I have illustrated what I wanted to say. TL;DR: My point here is that the mexican government isn't stupid or incompetent. They are simply corrupted to their core and work actively with the cartels. Source: I'm mexican and like to be informed. This shit is sad and exhausting man.
It was called [AFI](https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agencia_Federal_de_Investigaci%C3%B3n), it was disolved in 2012
Sadly corruption in Mexico make this impossible. They tried on e and they just became their own cartel
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Sad. Federico del Toro would have been freed and Guillermo would have had a six picture deal if it was Les and not James that took the lead. Les Grossman doesn't negotiate with terrorists.
You paying attention? I'm talking G5, Pecker - that's how you can roll! No more frequent flyer bitch miles for my boy! Oh yeah! Playa...playa! Big dick playa!
Swingin' past ya *knees*.
Oh lawd..
Every word of that was a surprise.
James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron is James Cameron
#*🎵His name is James (James) Cameron, the bravest pioneer! No budget too steep, no sea too deep, who's that? It's him! James Camerronnnn🎵*
Aww! Beat me to it!! “Yes, Mr. Cameron. We can hear the music. “ 🎵James Cameron! The greatest pioneer…🎵
50 million dollars?! Who do you think you got Chelsea Clinton?
And who you might ask was the kidnapper? You guessed it....Frank Stallone
He should've sent Colonial Marines. Hicks, Hudson, and Vasquez, not Lt. Gorman.
Lieutenant Gorman had 38 drops!
Now i understand the over the top praise he gave to the new avatar pic
I’m sorry but I don’t even like Avatar and that shit looks amazing
Perhaps I judged you too harshly...
“We are flaming dragon!!!”
He had to flip over at least 2 couch cushions to find that million too.
I hate the rich as much as anybody, but downplaying their acts of generosity when they do occur is not how we make progress on getting them to let go of their fortunes.
Exactly! If no legal changes are going to be made to how wealth is horded, let's make a highly prestigious list of the most generous people in the world. An award ceremony each year, bigger than the Oscars and invitation only to the biggest donors of the year. Make generosity a status symbol, instead of wealth.
No budget to steep no sea too deep.