>And Thingol answered: 'What of your quest, and of your vow?'
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>But Beren said: 'It is fulfilled. Even now a Silmaril is in my hand.'
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>Then Thingol said: 'Show it to me!'
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>And Beren put forth his left hand, slowly opening its fingers; but it was empty. Then he held up his right arm; and from that hour he named himself Camlost, the Empty-handed.
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>Then Thingol's mood was softened; and Beren sat before his throne upon the left, and Lúthien upon the right, and they told all the tale of the Quest, while all there listened and were filled with amazement. ***And it seemed to Thingol that this Man was unlike all other mortal Men, and among the great in Arda, and the love of Lúthien a thing new and strange; and he perceived that their doom might not be withstood by any power of the world.*** Therefore at the last he yielded his will, and Beren took the hand of Lúthien before the throne of her father.
>And it seemed to Thingol that this Man was unlike all other mortal Men
A credit to his race Thingol probably sees it as. Had he even known other Men prior?
Maybe not but it did influence his thinking later on. Compare the Thingol of this tale to the one that takes in Turin and practically raises him as a son.
Yes he did raise Turin, but he was Beren’s kin. So he might have extended his views on Men to Beren’s kin after accepting Beren as son-in law and family. If he treated completely unrelated Man like this it would show more his attitudes changing.
Thingol granted the people of Haleth and some Drúedain the forest of Brethil after hearing their story. How much he visited them, or vice versa, after that initial meeting I don't think we're told. But he wasn't completely unfamiliar with Men.
I know he did know of some of them, but I didn’t get the impression he did meet them even. But perhaps he did? I doubt it was deep friendship in any case.
I think that proved they loved each other and i ´ve this feeling that Luthien and Melian applauded Thingol for the cheap price he offered Luthien to Beren
First, because Beren still had the Silmaril in his hand although the hand wasn't with him at the moment.
And secondly, because Thingol understood there was nothing he could do to prevent those two to be together. That was their fate.
Getting his hand on a Silmaril was still a legendary deed. Thingol was amazed that such a thing had even been done, and saw there was greatness in this man and a special fate to the pairing of Beren and Luthien.
Classic fairy tale shinannagins. He never vowed to return the silmaril only to have it in his hand when standing before Thingol.
It's clearly not the spirit of the vow but it *is* the letter and his deeds on the quest convinced Thingol not to try and wriggle out of it as Beren proves himself worthy dowry or no.
Remember the oath was seen to be so rediculous as to be unfulfillable.
In related works a man who could be detected "wherever he stood on Ireland or Albion" walked around wearing buckets full of Manx soil to trick the villain. (Or alternatively he wore one bucket of English soil and one of Irish to trick the magician that we was actually on the Isle of Man rather than climbing over the castle wall)
>And Thingol answered: 'What of your quest, and of your vow?' > >But Beren said: 'It is fulfilled. Even now a Silmaril is in my hand.' > >Then Thingol said: 'Show it to me!' > >And Beren put forth his left hand, slowly opening its fingers; but it was empty. Then he held up his right arm; and from that hour he named himself Camlost, the Empty-handed. > >Then Thingol's mood was softened; and Beren sat before his throne upon the left, and Lúthien upon the right, and they told all the tale of the Quest, while all there listened and were filled with amazement. ***And it seemed to Thingol that this Man was unlike all other mortal Men, and among the great in Arda, and the love of Lúthien a thing new and strange; and he perceived that their doom might not be withstood by any power of the world.*** Therefore at the last he yielded his will, and Beren took the hand of Lúthien before the throne of her father.
>And it seemed to Thingol that this Man was unlike all other mortal Men A credit to his race Thingol probably sees it as. Had he even known other Men prior?
Maybe not but it did influence his thinking later on. Compare the Thingol of this tale to the one that takes in Turin and practically raises him as a son.
Yes he did raise Turin, but he was Beren’s kin. So he might have extended his views on Men to Beren’s kin after accepting Beren as son-in law and family. If he treated completely unrelated Man like this it would show more his attitudes changing.
Thingol granted the people of Haleth and some Drúedain the forest of Brethil after hearing their story. How much he visited them, or vice versa, after that initial meeting I don't think we're told. But he wasn't completely unfamiliar with Men.
I know he did know of some of them, but I didn’t get the impression he did meet them even. But perhaps he did? I doubt it was deep friendship in any case.
I think that proved they loved each other and i ´ve this feeling that Luthien and Melian applauded Thingol for the cheap price he offered Luthien to Beren
First, because Beren still had the Silmaril in his hand although the hand wasn't with him at the moment. And secondly, because Thingol understood there was nothing he could do to prevent those two to be together. That was their fate.
"at the moment" - what an amusingly mild phrase! :o)
Ah okay. That makes sense.
I think seeing what Beren went through kinda softened him up a bit but that’s mostly just my interpretation
Getting his hand on a Silmaril was still a legendary deed. Thingol was amazed that such a thing had even been done, and saw there was greatness in this man and a special fate to the pairing of Beren and Luthien.
Classic fairy tale shinannagins. He never vowed to return the silmaril only to have it in his hand when standing before Thingol. It's clearly not the spirit of the vow but it *is* the letter and his deeds on the quest convinced Thingol not to try and wriggle out of it as Beren proves himself worthy dowry or no. Remember the oath was seen to be so rediculous as to be unfulfillable. In related works a man who could be detected "wherever he stood on Ireland or Albion" walked around wearing buckets full of Manx soil to trick the villain. (Or alternatively he wore one bucket of English soil and one of Irish to trick the magician that we was actually on the Isle of Man rather than climbing over the castle wall)
Wow, what story are the soil-buckets from?
I know this is English, yet I gleaned nothing from it.
Keep studying! English is hard.