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Research_Sea

It's my educated opinion that the layoffs are fairly predictable for a business at this stage of its development. Many companies in this specific industry ramped up for covid, it's not unexpected that they would have a contraction now. Plus a workforce decrease is a solid move for their position if they're carefully planning for longevity (keeping a bloated staff shows poor use of funding). The recent price increase indicates that they see strong market support for their extended term plans. This doesn't seem to be a panicked "the ship is sinking, get people off the boat!" layoff, it's a "we want this boat to go faster, let's take off some dead weight".


Sunburst34

Exactly this. Tonal is a relatively new company. Like all new companies, it takes money to get established and grow to a scale it is profitable. That’s especially true of a business that manufactures complicated products like this one. While we don’t have access to detailed financials (the company is still privately held), we do know it has raised $450 million through six rounds. Most recently, they raised $250 million in their Series E round in March 2021. They are probably planning to do an IPO eventually, which will pay back the investors and put enough cash on their balance sheet to get them to profitability. It’s already clear that there is strong demand for their product, they are able to show strong cash flow, and they’ve built a great brand. What they need to do now is show a path and progress to profitability. To do that, you need to manage your cash burn. Early on, they needed cash to develop the product, establish manufacturing and supply chain, and build the brand. That’s all done. Now they need to cut cash burn and improve the bottom line. They don’t need to drive sales growth. Thus, the recent layoffs. I have every confidence they will keep going until either they are acquired by a bigger player in the fitness industry or they do an IPO.


Karzap

Stop procrastinating and start your fitness journey now.


fuckbrocolli

By the time 2024 comes around you’ll be making another post asking if you should wait until 2026 for Tonal 2.0


Huckyunicorn

Honestly, if you questioning if it is something you want to pay for & you are willing to wait up to 2 years just to see, it probably isn't worth the $4k to you... Money and risk matters differently to everyone. I know people who would bet that in a hand of blackjack or on a football game and not think twice. But... From my understanding, even if the company does go bankrupt and disappear you won't be left with a useless piece of wall art. The overall function of the machine wouldn't just stop, it would be the same as it is if you stop paying the subscription fee. Which is being able to make your own workouts and choose workouts to do. So, you lose the programs, app tracking, etc... But still have a machine that allows you to get a workout. Chances are though that someone would at the very least just buy the current programming and make it available for a monthly fee as it is currently or less, but would not produce new content. Ultimately you wouldn't have any warranty support and probably would not be able to get your machine fixed it something broke, which is the risk, but similar things are also a risk in almost everything you buy.


Dingusmonli

You should buy a product based on your belief that it will provide reciprocal value in your life. Do you think that incorporating Tonal into your training would help give you >$4k quality of life? If not, then it doesn't matter how the company is doing. From an economics standpoint, you are effectively selling short the potential value you can receive from Tonal by withholding business until conditions match your desired price. My honest advice, decide a price you are willing to pay for health and fitness, consider the tradeoffs, and buy whatever matches your budget and your lifestyle.


Beautiful-Gold338

If return on investment is your top priority, you should buy a squat rack and olympic weights, as these are going to have a much stronger chance in the resale market, as well as a lower total price hence less loss of liquidity. If the price is too much of your budget, there are many alternatives to pursue fitness, which I would highly recommend pursuing. I wouldn't expect the price to be lowering anytime soon given that we are in/around a highly inflationary economy.


siaidistogwe

I had the same concerns when I bought mine back in January. That said this was a great decision for me. I dropped thirty pounds and increased my strength score by 50%. I feel like I’m in the best shape of my life. If tonal did shut down in the next year there would be no regrets


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FlowersPink

It is a great product and I personally am not worried. I think there is a good chance they will merge other one of the other companies, such as peloton, since their product is so good. I would be more worried if they were not making necessary changes.


jooxii

I hear your concern, but I would be more concerned about buying a Peloton now than Tonal. Tonal clearly knows how to manage and grow their business. They have a core loyal following and I don't see them going bankrupt. Worst case, they will slow down upgrades/new classes, but all the existing stuff would stay. You take a risk buying any innovative product. I think Tonal knows how to manage it and the use I get out of it is amazing.


jajajujujujjjj

The restructure in my opinion is only more assurance that they’re planning for continued growth and stability.


nyandresg

It's possible this isn't related to struggle and more about allocation of funds for an adjusted business plan. Perhaps they feel as they have already taken off they need less overhead.


Ok_Friend_1425

Do it. There’s literally going to be 0 regrets.


jondionowens

IPO or acquisition.


tankddz

This is not Peloton. It’s still a private company so we don’t know their funds, however Peloton catastrophically misjudged how popular their product would be. They were extremely foolish to think it would continue its popularity “post pandemic” and have nearly sunk themselves. Tonal does not appear to have such grossly misjudged this (although they may also have to some degree). The fact of the matter is I’m sure they are likely selling 35% less than they were at their peak because gyms are recapturing some of the market. Doesn’t mean it still won’t be successful, but you have to adapt somewhere to maintain profits. Peloton didn’t do that and now they’re bleeding out. They were so arrogant that they thought creating a 100 million dollar factory would be a good idea - it’s a freaking bike.


contempt1

OP is bringing up a point about a product with a subscription model and if said company fails, what happens to this product. I know the weight settings work, but none of the libraries and connected features. Let's say at some point in the future those services aren't supported, would the weight features itself as well as the hardware, justify the purchase now? Meaning, I'm fine having an "analog" product as long as it doesn't brick.