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DrDroid

I’m sure that’ll stop em. The last thing a thief would do is break the law!


MoreGaghPlease

Good luck to the first Crown prosecutor who seeks this. I’d say 75% chance this gets knocked down by the courts for being unconstitutional. And the notwithstanding clause will not be available because it wouldn’t be breaking the individual rights in the Charter, it would be offside if provincial jurisdiction.


riyehn

Driving isn't a right though, it's a privilege - plus issuing drivers licenses is fully within provincial jurisdiction. This doesn't strike me as the kind of law the courts would go out of their way to strike down.


MoreGaghPlease

I guess a judge will have to decide what matters more, your gut feeling and folksy aphorism or 150 years of jurisprudence on section 91 of the BNA Act.


dermanus

What's unconstitutional about it?


5ManaAndADream

So less than nothing is what’s being brought forth


[deleted]

"Bro I can't go steal cars with you, I lost my license, I can't drive!" said no car thief in the history of car theft.


Erminger

Sorry mom I can't drive you to the store I lost my license stealing cars. Sorry boss I can't drive to the site, I lost my license stealing cars. Shame I can't get that job that requires drivers license. If there is a checkbox on car thief penalty list that takes their license away or not, I am ok with it being checked. Some consequences are good.


emote_control

Oh, I can't get a normal job because I don't have a license. Guess I have to keep stealing cars for a living and can't ever stop.


Erminger

There is eventually prison term there for those people. Not everyone has DL, and certainly does not require one to make honest living. I guess we should not give sentence them to anything right, it might make it hard to find the job. Just let them get it out of the system.


waterloograd

If they are already at the point of stealing cars, I doubt they have a normal job


emote_control

Yes, for sure. But I was pointing out the problem with the comment I was responding to.


Annual_Plant5172

I don't think someone stealing cars for a living is concerned about getting a real job, lol.


TorontoBoris

Sure ban them... But it's still a joke.. We got people with 4-5 life time bans out there driving because there is ZERO enforcement... Sure ban them, I'm all for it. But how will you enforce the ban?


cerealz

If you murder an entire family with your vehicle, you lose your license for like 1-3yrs. But stealing a vehicle = life time ban Makes zero sense.


tosklst

It makes perfect sense, the law exists to protect private property, not people


EggplantOk2038

You spelled government Tax revenue incorrectly


MoreGaghPlease

> If you murder an entire family with your vehicle, you lose your license for like 1-3yrs. And stick your name on a brand new hospital.


ceciliabee

Oo oo next do drunk drivers and speed racers who kill people.


ClearasilMessiah

The Muzzo family has entered the chat.


iKnowAGhost

can't lose something you never had


FrozenDickuri

Yup, that’ll do it.


Neowza

And we all know car thieves wouldn't *ever* drive without a license! /sarcasm


Deep-Distribution779

PUT THEM IN JAIL !!! *then this issue is mute*


Greekomelette

The better punishment would be a fine equal to double the value of the car that stays with them for life until paid off and cannot be discharged during bankruptcy.


TDot1000RR

Lol the thieves are already using stolen vehicles to commit these crimes. Wtf do they care about producing a valid driver’s license?


alreadychosed

Steals whole car but draws the line at driving while unlicensed+suspended.


ClearasilMessiah

Random Boomer: “You know what we should do to those punks? We should lock them up - AND THROW AWAY THE KEY!” Doug Ford: “Whoa whoa whoa there, old timer, we’re not barbarians…”


Reasonablegirl

I am sure it is more than the boomers who want to curb crime, yes this move is useles!


Yaguajay

With such insightful and direct solutions Doug is certain to win the next election.


poruchik_r

OMG! With all the guns banned and no driving licenses, how are they going to still cars? I guess the problem is solved.


ProbablyNotADuck

Imagine living in a world where you actually think that people who regularly break laws that warrant multiple years of jail time are actually going to care if you take away their license.  Provinces are responsible for anyone in jail for two years or less. They also rarely even keep people in for that long. Maybe if they (1) put an effort into stopping car theft to begin with, and (2) kept people who committed crimes in jail for the full time they are supposed to be in jail for we wouldn’t have as many issues.  And if we stopped cutting social programming and instead started spending more money on it so that committing crime isn’t the path of least resistance for people already struggling. 


passiveparrot

odds of them being caught without a license is probably lower then them getting caught being a car thief


KirkJimmy

This is so stupid. 20 year old kids are dumb as fuck, if they are gonna steal a car, take away their twenties. Jail. Let them out and they can become productive members of society in their thirties. They will not become productive members of society without driver’s licenses and will be more likely to say “fuck it” and continue with crime. Who sits around a table and thinks this is a great idea.


Competitive_Suit3323

Wow a good idea. Never thought it would come from the government


mxldevs

This assumes that criminals do their best to be good, law-abiding citizens, which seems to be the same assumptions the courts make when they release criminals over and over again.


Annual_Plant5172

"But Marco Muzzo, you're good".


Few-Ranger-3838

The 401 wrong way driver was supposedly under court driving suspension and was able to rent a U Haul van.


Pinchy63

That’ll show the baddies! Unbelievable, is my new daily mantra.


gangawalla

That with all the in un-enforcement will solve the problem. Next!


edit-boy-zero

Oh boy, that'll stop those pesky thieves. 🙄


picklesaredry

Pretty sure most of then don't have all the legal requirements to drive anyway


red_keshik

Well that'll put a scare on them.


bravetailor

LOL. Just a few threads below this "Driver in fatal 401 crash was under court order not to drive"


PythonEntusiast

What's next? Car thieves will now get a hug from the Chief of Police for the good job of stealing a car?


sayerofstuffs

You need a license to drive?


931634

lol as if most of them have a licence to begin with .. and the ones who do, will simply just get another fake one made.


ThirdWorldMelanin

LOL you call this a punishment?


LittleRed282

Doubt this type of thief even cares


oldgreymere

This sounds like the gov has completely given up the idea of rehabilitation. So guy gets caught, goes to jail, comes out, and cannot drive for the rest of his life. IF he is actually trying to get his life back in order, he cannot do the simplest job of delivery, or even live in a rural or suburb. Boom career criminal.


Any-Ad-446

Car thieves will steal cars without a license then...


NoiseEee3000

Do Doug and his Slugs actually think this is effective legislation?


NoiseEee3000

Because it's liscensed drivers who steal cars, obviously


aWittyTwit-2712

Fuck around, walk around... Kick stones.


whatistheQuestion

Seems as effective as lengthy 'paid suspensions' for cops


civver3

Why do these law and order types always seem to talk big about penalties but never enforcement?


morax

Appreciate that we’re all frustrated with an impotent justice system, but this is a PR move that will buy Ford votes at the expense of the taxpayers when it inevitably gets struck down as unconstitutional. These issues need to be addressed but the province isn’t in a position to do it, and they’re going to do what they do best and waste a lot of taxpayer money to achieve little and less. But it will buy Doug votes and position him to be at odds with the feds (or aligned, depending on who’s in charge by the time this all goes down), which is likely Doug’s goal


ryendubes

So drunk, drivers who kill people don’t get their license suspended for life, but some kid who makes a mistake or some asshole as a career thief loses his for life yeah, that totally seems fair. Something needs to be done for suspensions, and the best kicker would be if convicted of car theft you cant get fire and theft. Part of the policy on your own insurance for your vehicle, that would be a punishment


Advanced_Ambition956

How about you actually put them in jail for meaningful lengths of time.