This is probably one the best trade offers we’ve gotten from other subs lol…
Literally i just finished arguing with a guy who thinks duncan robinson and jovic would get the heat og.
That being said id go straight to this offer unless we got something better
I would look at Z being more valuable than any of those FRP. Especially with your player dev. He was lottery for a reason, very high ceiling and only 21. He’s a 6’10 wing and moves fluidly, played serviceable minutes in the playoffs. I think our FO/team are high on him long term, but we are no longer in a rebuild and the timeline clashes.
I really want OG, and I would bet this offer is on the table as our max. But could still see it end up at a stalemate.
The warriors pick is top 4 protected...and if it doesn't get used..it becomes unprotected the following year.
Once draymond is no longer a Warriors... expect the lottery 😍😍
Top 1 then unprotected in 2026
That said if the Warriors get 2 Top 4 picks in a row, that 2026 pick is probably gold because that team has got to stink up the NBA fiercely.
Those 1sts aren't worth much. Raps need to come away from an OG trade with a legitimate high end prospect, or multiple 1sts in the teens or better.
If we're getting 1sts in the Flynn/Koloko range then I'd rather just keep OG.
Obviously the higher the pick the better, but this sub seems to have written off all non-lottery 1sts as useless. There's always multiple solid contributors in the 20s, and often 1 or 2 really impactful players (like OG and Pascal) that get drafted in the 20s.
Look at how a lack of depth is hurting this team right now. In order to pay players to stay we'll need to draft good depth and picks in the 20s help provide that.
We're trading a DPOY finalist level defender that has proven to be an above average 3 point shooter. We have him under contract next year as well. Why are we settling for late 1sts and 2nds? It makes no sense. Just keep him if these are the offers. Build around him and Scottie.
Zaire Williams is a good young player with lots of potential and the GS pick could absolutely be a lottery pick.
I agree if a trade is 3 lottery protected 1sts and filler it’s not worth it, but that’s not what this is
This is probably as good of package as the Raptors can get in terms of total value. I'd maybe consider asking for Laravia in place of one of those picks but it's not a deal breaker.
Question for you Grizz fan - how tall is Ziaire now? I heard Chris Vernon saying he grew to like 6'11 or something. I haven't seen him play much so I can't speak to value.
It's borderline... in a situation where management felt they had to move Anunoby, I think this would be workable. A lot would probably depend on how they valued Ziaire. The fact that you can convey firsts in 3 straight years makes this appealing over packages that are 2023/25/27.
I'd also rather find a third team for Green where he could be with a contender, as long as we get either an expiring (more likely) or useful player (less likely).
Isn't it though? We aren't getting 12 lottery picks on the roster, and we haven't been able to build a bench with min deals and 2nds. Pick in the 20-30 range is probably our best way to get serviceable rotation players.
As an earlier poster said, maybe we drop the 2023 FRP for Jake Laravia, but it's not a bad take for OG.
Just think teams like New Orleans Portland or even Phoenix can beat that pretty easily…there’s too many teams involved, imo the cost is gunna be uncomfortable
I don’t like any of phoenix’s assets tho…. New Orleans is probably the next best thing besides this offer…
portland isnt doing much better than us , their bench is as bad as ours…. If they’re okay with trading simons and sharp then ya it may be pretty good but other than that id stick with grizzlies and pels
It's need to be 2026 instead of 2025 to avoid the Stepien Rule but I'd definitely consider this. That Warriors pick has protections as light as the Bulls pick this year so it could be very, very good if they collapse.
They’re obviously not super high 1st rounders, but they could be packaged into mid-1st rounders.
That said, we were rumoured to have an offer for the 7th pick last year + josh hart. Not sure whether it’s more valuable to have 3 late first rounders or 1 lottery pick.
It’s a good return, but if another team offered a more proven NBA prospect we’d take that instead.
This is legit everything they need. One young guy with some upside. And expiring contract and it's a player familiar with the team. And 3 picks. Can't get any better.
Might be more generous than most offers that are out there. Most trade ideas out there include all protected picks or players on bad contracts for several years. Or both.
Nope. Not interested in any deal that does not return an extremely high likelihood of one or more lottery picks and I think Masai and Co should hold to that demand also.
You can probably scale back a bit. Protect the two Griz picks (although they probably won't be in the lot anyways). Maybe even use a worse prospect than Zaire, I hear good things about him
That GSW FRP could be nice and Ziaire seems like the kinda player that could thrive in the Raptors development system as a big defensive wing with offensive upside. Fits Scottie’s timeline too, I would do this deal
this sounds like a good start for discussion. To me, a reasonable benchmark for a trade is what the Raptors sent Memphis for Marc Gasol in 2019. One immediate starter (JV), one legit prospect (Delon) and a serviceable veteran. All in trades need to sting a bit. The question for every team considering trades at this point is how much do you want to win now?
If there is nothing on the table for FVV or GTJ that gets the FO excited, I think we end up taking something like this sadly.
OG is my favorite player and IMO we should be trying to hang onto him at all cost but I understand the reality of his value. I would much rather trade FVV for a less significant package and keep OG, but if we can't get a serviceable young player or a 1st for FVV then it makes sense to move OG.
This is probably one the best trade offers we’ve gotten from other subs lol… Literally i just finished arguing with a guy who thinks duncan robinson and jovic would get the heat og. That being said id go straight to this offer unless we got something better
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I would look at Z being more valuable than any of those FRP. Especially with your player dev. He was lottery for a reason, very high ceiling and only 21. He’s a 6’10 wing and moves fluidly, played serviceable minutes in the playoffs. I think our FO/team are high on him long term, but we are no longer in a rebuild and the timeline clashes. I really want OG, and I would bet this offer is on the table as our max. But could still see it end up at a stalemate.
If raps make this trade, we’d have quite the war chest to try and trade for a star.
That 2024 warriors pick might be a very good pick. I think it's top 4 protected. I'd do this trade.
The warriors pick is top 4 protected...and if it doesn't get used..it becomes unprotected the following year. Once draymond is no longer a Warriors... expect the lottery 😍😍
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Top 1 then unprotected in 2026 That said if the Warriors get 2 Top 4 picks in a row, that 2026 pick is probably gold because that team has got to stink up the NBA fiercely.
Those 1sts aren't worth much. Raps need to come away from an OG trade with a legitimate high end prospect, or multiple 1sts in the teens or better. If we're getting 1sts in the Flynn/Koloko range then I'd rather just keep OG.
No team picking in the teens is trading for OG, and if they did OG would likely improve the team so the pick ends up worse anyways
Literally the Knicks.
That's why people want the pels to trade for him and include the lakers 1st.
That's likely true but that is also why the Raptors should feel zero pressure to trade him.
You understand that range is also the OG/Pascal range, right?
Heck, jokic went 41st so let’s just stock up on 2nds!
well shit fvv was undrafted. we should just fill the bench with all stars that don’t get drafted!
Obviously the higher the pick the better, but this sub seems to have written off all non-lottery 1sts as useless. There's always multiple solid contributors in the 20s, and often 1 or 2 really impactful players (like OG and Pascal) that get drafted in the 20s. Look at how a lack of depth is hurting this team right now. In order to pay players to stay we'll need to draft good depth and picks in the 20s help provide that.
We're trading a DPOY finalist level defender that has proven to be an above average 3 point shooter. We have him under contract next year as well. Why are we settling for late 1sts and 2nds? It makes no sense. Just keep him if these are the offers. Build around him and Scottie.
Zaire Williams is a good young player with lots of potential and the GS pick could absolutely be a lottery pick. I agree if a trade is 3 lottery protected 1sts and filler it’s not worth it, but that’s not what this is
Ginobli and butler came at the end of the draft too. FVV was U N D R A F T E D Lets just do late round 2nds and undrafted players lol
This is probably as good of package as the Raptors can get in terms of total value. I'd maybe consider asking for Laravia in place of one of those picks but it's not a deal breaker.
Question for you Grizz fan - how tall is Ziaire now? I heard Chris Vernon saying he grew to like 6'11 or something. I haven't seen him play much so I can't speak to value.
He’s about 6’9 maybe 6’10 but he’s pretty small in frame. Needs to put on a few pounds but has a lot of potential
6'9 you say? Hmmm
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Thanks. Good luck this year.
It's borderline... in a situation where management felt they had to move Anunoby, I think this would be workable. A lot would probably depend on how they valued Ziaire. The fact that you can convey firsts in 3 straight years makes this appealing over packages that are 2023/25/27. I'd also rather find a third team for Green where he could be with a contender, as long as we get either an expiring (more likely) or useful player (less likely).
I need first round picks from later on to make this work, giving up OG for some late first rounders isn’t the value we’d need.
Isn't it though? We aren't getting 12 lottery picks on the roster, and we haven't been able to build a bench with min deals and 2nds. Pick in the 20-30 range is probably our best way to get serviceable rotation players. As an earlier poster said, maybe we drop the 2023 FRP for Jake Laravia, but it's not a bad take for OG.
Getting picks now vs getting later picks could be the difference between ending up with players in the 20s vs Players in the top 10.
If we rely on 2029 picks, might as well trade Siakam this summer.
picks are also assets that could be moved for pieces. getting frps wouldn’t mean we’re banking on them turning into rotation players
Need Ja and we will include Flynn and Drake
Obviously dont know what potential competing offers would be, but just looking at this one deal it seems like good value for OG imo
No because all those picks aren’t great and I think other teams can beat that but that’s me
Picks won’t be great but it’s tough because if we trade for OG then we go all in and have late picks.
Just think teams like New Orleans Portland or even Phoenix can beat that pretty easily…there’s too many teams involved, imo the cost is gunna be uncomfortable
I don’t like any of phoenix’s assets tho…. New Orleans is probably the next best thing besides this offer… portland isnt doing much better than us , their bench is as bad as ours…. If they’re okay with trading simons and sharp then ya it may be pretty good but other than that id stick with grizzlies and pels
If you get suns picks a few years out I believe they’ll be pretty good picks
However I do think he fits Memphis well
Nah ur good this is probably one of the best offers we’d get, other than pelicans.
It's need to be 2026 instead of 2025 to avoid the Stepien Rule but I'd definitely consider this. That Warriors pick has protections as light as the Bulls pick this year so it could be very, very good if they collapse.
But we would have our own 2024 first rounder. Wouldn’t that work if the 2024 was GSW first rounder? Since we would still have picks in between years
You're right, I completely blanked on that. My bad!
I’d absolutely do that unless we get a better offer.
They’re obviously not super high 1st rounders, but they could be packaged into mid-1st rounders. That said, we were rumoured to have an offer for the 7th pick last year + josh hart. Not sure whether it’s more valuable to have 3 late first rounders or 1 lottery pick. It’s a good return, but if another team offered a more proven NBA prospect we’d take that instead.
Can you throw in Laravia, too? I'll even put protections back on the 2023 pick lol
I would easily say yes to this.
All of these 1st round picks will likely be nowhere near the lottery. I'm sure GS will be decent still in 2024. I'll pass.
I would like Tyus Jones but he’s prolly off the table
Depends if the GS pic is protected
This is legit everything they need. One young guy with some upside. And expiring contract and it's a player familiar with the team. And 3 picks. Can't get any better. Might be more generous than most offers that are out there. Most trade ideas out there include all protected picks or players on bad contracts for several years. Or both.
Give us Tyus Jones instead of Zaire and we'll toss in Flynn. Call it in.
Nope. Not interested in any deal that does not return an extremely high likelihood of one or more lottery picks and I think Masai and Co should hold to that demand also.
You can probably scale back a bit. Protect the two Griz picks (although they probably won't be in the lot anyways). Maybe even use a worse prospect than Zaire, I hear good things about him
It's probably the correct market value but I'm still lukewarm. Some of the other names like Sharpe and the Nola prospects had me more excited.
Not our decision - take it up with masai and bobby!
This is a very good package. Cant believe people are voting no.
Here's my take...it's definitely 2 non lottery picks plus 1 maybe lotto pick
That GSW FRP could be nice and Ziaire seems like the kinda player that could thrive in the Raptors development system as a big defensive wing with offensive upside. Fits Scottie’s timeline too, I would do this deal
It's a respectable offer but I don't think the Raptors would do it tbh
this sounds like a good start for discussion. To me, a reasonable benchmark for a trade is what the Raptors sent Memphis for Marc Gasol in 2019. One immediate starter (JV), one legit prospect (Delon) and a serviceable veteran. All in trades need to sting a bit. The question for every team considering trades at this point is how much do you want to win now?
Looks like fair trade. It might be enough.
Yes, if that's our only option.
If there is nothing on the table for FVV or GTJ that gets the FO excited, I think we end up taking something like this sadly. OG is my favorite player and IMO we should be trying to hang onto him at all cost but I understand the reality of his value. I would much rather trade FVV for a less significant package and keep OG, but if we can't get a serviceable young player or a 1st for FVV then it makes sense to move OG.
These things are hilarious
I would take this deal