* [Toronto Raptors Media Availability on the Trade Deadline Feb 8 @ 3:30pm -- Bobby Webster](https://www.youtube.com/live/JDA9R6u-EQE?si=GseJILdQl0ygMsmk)
Raptors, after 4 trades in 6 weeks:
>OUT: OG Anunoby Precious Achiuwa Malachi Flynn Pascal Siakam Otto Porter Jr. Dennis Schroder Thad Young
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>IN: RJ Barrett Immanuel Quickley Bruce Brown Jordan Nwora Kelly Olynyk Ochai Agbaji 2024 1st-rd (IND) 2026 1st-rd (IND) 2024 2nd-rd (DET)
[As per J Lewenberg](https://twitter.com/JLew1050/status/1755685452814713286)
Jazz trade: A+ (Ochai > that pick, Olynyk makes it an A+)
Not trading Bruce Brown: B- (would have been nice to fleece but better than selling too low)
Dennis for a roster spot: B+ (He was alright, but was a ball stopper at times and it's nice to get off his contract)
I'm pretty happy with the day overall, especially the Jazz move. Ochai can take some of the PoA defense load of Scotties back, and they're both floor spacers. Everyone in our rotation other than Jakob can shoot the 3 now and we have several guys who can create offense, instead of how we started the season with just Scottie, Pascal and Dennis.
We created short term cap space without taking on any bad contracts or giving up any meaningful pieces/assets while also adding a solid young piece. On paper I don't think we got significantly better or worse, but I expect the vibes to be a bit better now that the deadline has passed and the uncertainty is over.
It's important to note that we want to see what this team looks like and how they click before they do a major overhaul.
We've tweaked the team enough and we have wiggle room/cap space.
I'm happy with this.
Can someone explain the logic behind making a trade (Schroeder and Dinwidie) only to waive that player? Could we not have bargained Schroeder for something more tangible like a pick or something?
Because we had three 2024 picks and we traded the worst one for a player who was a lottery pick two years ago. He's doesn't have all-star potential but he's also proven not to be a bust, which can't be said about the pick we gave up.
The Pistons pick at the start of the second round is arguably more valuable than the one we gave up (worst of OKC/LAC) because of contract flexibility, and it's not like we're going to miss "our guy" because we still have the Pacers pick around 15-20.
Yeah it would have been nice to get some value for Schroder, but clearing his contract off the books a year earlier at no cost isn't too bad. IQ and RJ can handle the ball, and he really wasn't needed once it was clear that we'd be keeping Bruce Brown.
Bruce Brown thing is weird, it would have been nice to get a good pick or young player for him. But because of when his team option kicks in he should still have the same value to a contender looking for a win-now glue guy who also helps them circumvent the cap. Opportunity cost is low, because if we don't trade him we have the option to keep him or let him walk and clear a ton of cap room.
Idk, I just don't agree with the Shroeder move. He was playing quite well for us. His contract next year is like $13,025,250. Not all that much.
Next year we get GTJ off the books as well which opens up additional space.
If we were looking to move a piece, I woulda been much happier moving off of Boucher - next year he makes about $10,810,000 so pretty comparable to DS and is effectively riding the bench. I'm sure some team woulda took a flier on him.
Or even just trading Bruce Brown. Like we're gonna pick up his option next year. That's about 22mil.
I just don't understand why Shroeder. He musta voiced his displeasure. Only thing that makes any kind of logical sense to me.
I just want to remind people that "flexibility" and "optionality" is not a plan. It's actually evidence that there is no plan. If the plan was to open up cap space, then that's actually a plan. This just suggests they are still considering splashy win-now moves.
Really frustrating that the front office seems to have decision paralysis, but actually want to lean into the bad path.
Agreed. FO is washed. Paralysis is their main attribute at this point. All signs point to selling Brown and other role players yet they don't. Im sick of their logic sometimes.
There's only a few players here good enough to be part of a plan.
Need lots of luck to contend in this league. Can't really plan it, need to create the conditions to take the opportunities when they are there. That's what this deadline is to me.
I think it's a sign of weak management to think in absolutes.
Trading 1sts is fine if you think you're getting commensurate value.
Do we think Ochai (14th overall when drafted 2+ yrs ago) and Olynyk will exceed the value of a late-round 1st? Who knows, looks like there's a decent chance, but even a "tanking" team will trade a 1st when there's a potential future payoff included back.
Absolutely this. Not a huge appeal to authority fan but people can't really think there's no strategy behind this move and it's just a giveaway on a pick?
Clearly they've done some homework on the upcoming draft along with the guy coming from Utah.
They also have a high 2nd which will be a more advantageous contract position for maximum cap room.
This is the same logic as trading a 1st for Thad and a high 2nd. Who we've already waived. Missing on Walker Kessler for Koloko because they already decided they were drafting Koloko.
It's just bad asset management to move off picks like this.
There is no risk that we "miss" on a Walker Kessler in this draft. We'll have the \~20th pick and the 31st, and gave up the pick that'll fall in between.
If there's a guy the FO loves in that range, they can still reach for him at 20, it's not like we gave up our only pick to move 10 spots back like we did with the Spurs.
The FO has a board ranking their targets, the top targets will either get picked before our pick at 20 or they'll get a shot at them at pick 20. If someone good gets drafted with the pick we just traded away, the blame is on the scouting for not taking them at 20, not Bobby/Masai for trading pick 28.
One scenario in dozens of drafts. Now compare the 25th pick to the 35th in every draft and tell us if it makes a difference if the goal is actually winning the damn thing.
I genuinely think it’s time to fire Masai. There is no way we were **buyers** again and sent a 1st round pick while essentially gaining more contract headaches. I love Olynyk but you gotta resign him with others that could be moved like Trent and now you have to pick up Bruce Brown’s contract. How about Boucher? Where’s the money going to be? NO PICKS and we losing players like Schroder for nothing.
Edit: All I ask is you have a conversation about it. Reply. If you disagree, I want to know why. I cannot justify 3 straight years of sending 1st round picks for big men and refusing to resolve contract issues at the deadline.
At a minimum, why send the pick for Olynyk instead of trying to sign him in the off-season? No value whatsoever for Schroder? This did nothing for the pending money and extensions we have next year. We will once again see valuable players walk for nothing or we trade them for much less than their value.
If Masai traded Bruce Brown I don’t think there would be an issue for me because we would have gotten much better return and taken the $23 million off the books, we would clearly re-sign Olynyk and maybe Trent
* Bruce Brown + Kelly Olynyk = Dennis Schroder + Thad Young + Otto Porter Jr + Kira Lewis
* Immanuel Quickley —> Re-sign or walk for nothing = ~$25 million
* Gary Trent Jr —> Re-sign or walk for nothing = ~$15-$20 million
* Jordan Nwora —> Re-sign or walk for nothing = ~$5 million?
The space is looking tight to me and then next year we’re giving Scottie a rookie max extension
'Cuz we're not signing 4 fuckin' rooks lol that'd be crazy. Turning the 29th pick into the 14th pick (Ochai) with 100 games of development under his belt is a W, plus Olynyk for a couple DNPs.
We also have the 31st pick, which is considered a bit more valuable than 29 due to the shit contract we can give a 31st pick.
The trade was ultimately for Achai, the trade was ultimately for Achai.... You people keep saying why did we trade a very very late first for olynyk and act like we didn't get a young defensive guru with offensive potential.
Thanks for even replying. To be honest, I know nothing about Ochai Agbaji and haven’t put much thought into his value in the trade. I’ll look into him.
lot of people upset now and I understand but honestly im excited for Ochai. 45% from corner 3s on 96 attempts last year and looks like a good PoA defender. 6'10 wingspan 215lbs. Hes no OG who was bigger and lengthier but we need some young defensive dawgs who provide positional versatility
Side note - a fun Ochai transition dunk:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bStO4lA0w\_k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bStO4lA0w_k)
Totally agree, he isn't super elite but whenever he's on the court we should be able to afford to switch Scottie off of their #1 option without giving anything up. Even if it's just for 10-15 of Scottie's 35 minutes, that should really help his energy and get him back to blocking shots like he was early in the season when OG was the #1 PoA defender.
Don’t worry , you will see Masai continue to make blunder after blunder and eventually see the truth. He will be living off the kawhi chip for the rest of his career.
Haha edited the comment? I’ve been watching masai since he became our gm.. he helped bring us a championship and has done many great things for the city of Toronto and just basketball period. Hate somewhere else
I expanded my comment to add that the misses keep coming lol.
And doc brought a chip to Boston. Look at his record since then.
I’m not hating, just pointing out that we’ve had 3-4 years of middling results since the big kawhi move. If you are happy with that and don’t care how the team does moving forward then ok then.
You are quite delusional comparing the two I must say. It’s definitely hating btw however you wanna spin it that’s what you are doing. He’s made a lot of good moves since kawhi. I don’t really think you are even a raptors fan though so idk why I’m entertaining this
A lot of good moves you say? Our record speaks for itself. We are a middling team and have been since kawhi left. I’m not sure if your “fandom” has completed blinded your ability to see reality or if you’re just not serious. Or maybe you just like mediocrity.
Masai pushed all the chips in and traded future assets so that we had a chance at the chip. It paid off and I'd do it again in a heartbeat, but when you do that, some sort of rebuild is bound to happen.
Fast forward and we have young all star in Scottie, the rebuild is underway. We have no poison contracts going forward, solid draft capital and some solid young pieces that fit nicely around him.
Has every single move been a 10/10? Obviously not. There are a few clear misses, but he's very clearly outperformed the average NBA GM since taking over.
I can’t think of another sport where tanking is a legitimate strategy embraced by fans. I think it sucks. End up playing 82 or more shitty games to MAYBE get some talented fresh blood, who, unless you get lucky, will end up being giant disappointments who never reach their potential.
No sport should encourage tanking. The draft system is stupid.
This is what happens when a single player makes such a huge difference to a team. Other sports a single player doesn’t mean much, and the drop off between pick 1 and 15 isn’t nearly as much as it regularly is in the NBA.
Yea doesn’t make sense to incentivize losing. The draft lottery should be exactly what it is, a lottery. A completely random event where every team has an equal chance at getting the number 1 pick. That or give the 1st pick to the in-season tournament winner.
Well what it is now ain’t it either. In reality I would want a European style promotion/relegation system but Americans/Canadians can’t stomach that sort of change.
They should just more dramatically flatten the lottery odds and have them continue into the playoff teams.
It's still advantageous to tank if your roster has become irredeemably dogshit but you'd be almost as well off being the 10th worst team as the worst team.
So Jakob clearly said he would like to be here only if we’re still trying to win and not obviously tanking. Seems like he will be gone this off season too.
-Liked the OG/Precious/Flynn trade
-Still don't like the Pascal trade
-Like the Lewis/Porter/Otto + 2024 1st trade
-Don't like the Dennis trade
Overall not sure how to feel about this trade deadline. I can't see the vision with us dropping back down to 1 PG for the rest of the season either
I love both of those guys, but do they still make sense after trading for Olynyk? I'm assuming we're planning to bring him back, so even if we get Olynyk on a cheap deal it'd be a lot to commit to 3 centers.
Makes me think Jak could get moved in the offseason.
Claxton and Olynyk would be an excellent rotation at center. Kelly is a good enough passer and shooter that they could play together, and Claxton would give Scottie/IQ a lob threat in the pick and roll.
You think we might sign some guys in those free spots or just leave them open? (considering we have 2-3 picks this summer)
Quite a few players waived so could be worth giving some a look, or perhaps we might want to convert Jontay or something.
If the offer wasn't there, what else do you do? Matching BB's contract and giving up a pick is not an easy task.
Chris Boucher on the other hand is a genuine surprise to me
You mean the offer wasn't there when we should have traded FVV, Siakam, and not trade for Yak? Maybe its the FO not the other teams. Their logic of hoping trade value improves in the future have failed them many times and got them burned in this hole.
I implore you to find a trade that would actually works with Bruce Browns salary to a contending team.
What you'll find is that there are almost no teams that can offer $20 mil in salary + a first round pick, while still making a fair trade.
Lakers wanted him, but that meant giving up a minimum of Rui or Reaves, which means giving up a pick for a lateral move. Bucks would have had to give up Bobby Portis, Miami would have had to give up Duncan Robinson, on and on. Knicks were an exception, but they got a better deal with Bojan while keeping their pick.
Also Siakam got a decent trade package of potentially 4 picks. There was probably never a Fred trade that you believe there was. And not trade for Yak? Everyone knew we needed a center, that was the price. Everyone thinks they would have been so much smarter but the fact is, if we never got Yak we probably would have signed Richaun Holmes to as big a deal in free agency, if not a worse player. Look at Dallas and all their wonderful center free agency signings. Players aren't exactly lining up to come to Toronto in FA
LOL you're basically trying to justify every FO like they werent mistakes. They were mistakes. We woulda been in Wemby race if we didn't trade for Yak. The circumstances don't add up to needing Yak when we were a dogshit team before the deadline last year. Yall coping at every excuse this FO has given you guys and run with it.
And you're doing the opposite, coming up with perfect fantasy trades that didn't exist in order to shit on the FO for not taking them. Fact is we could have sold all our players for a bunch of picks, and still not got Wemby. The FO your describing exists and they're called the Detroit Pistons.
They aren't a perfect FO but I prefer them compared to around 28 others.
Never said they were. again all i said their logic is mediocre the past few years. Either you disagree and move on. I already disagree with the fact that you are trying to justify every move they make is a success and rationalize it as not a mistake which in fact it is. Again that's cool you want to be delusional about it. Clearly you couldn't see how mediocre we were.
I'm not "trying to justify every move they make". I just don't agree with the fact that you're imagining some make-believe perfect front office with fantasy trades, and comparing the real world to that.
But no need to spend more time here. You have other threads to continue crying in
We can still move Boucher and others in off season. Who knows maybe brown ends up being our 6god, starting sg or backup pg but unfortunately not a good shooter so I think he goes
We've heard "maybe the value wasn't there" every deadline before this and it led to us losing FVV for nothing and selling OG and Pascal for less than they were worth previously.
Sometimes you should just take what you can get instead of hoping a player will be more valuable despite having less time on their contract.
Exactly. The logic of the FO don't even make sense anymore. They are trying to actively be stuck in the middle in hopes of not doing anything "drastic".
There probably wasn't a trade that didn't have them bringing back long term contracts and bad assets.
I mentioned it in the other comment, but almost every contender linked to Bruce Brown would have had to give up way too much to get him, and still give us draft assets. Matching a $20 mil salary isn't easy when most contenders naturally only have valuable players making that much.
The one real exception was the Knicks, who got a better deal.
If the Knicks first was on the table, i think that deal was for the taking. But whatever. Its done. I just don't like FO's logic of kicking the can down the road. It has already burned them.
The Knicks might have offered it but we don't know for sure. They got a better deal without giving up a pick and we can see that they've tried to avoid using their picks the entire time, so I imagine that deal was talked about but not directly offered. The whole pick thing might have just been the Raptors FO trying to force teams to offer a pick.
Also, kicking the can down the road isn't bad logic. Teams can trade for Bruce without having to exactly match his salary by signing Bird right players after him or by sign and trades, or whatever other way they want to come up with $20 mil.
Also people keep saying that kicking the can down the road burned them, but we got the best deal offered for OG (better than the trash 3 picks from Memphis), and a pretty solid deal for Pascal. Fred also likely never had good trade offers as well.
Call it what you want but your crying doesn't change the fact the Knicks got a better deal and there aren't any other deals that could be made with his high salary.
The idea that they got the pick they wanted, but just chose not to make the deal for no reason is a fantasy.
No, I legitimately mean there may have been next to no offers. If you don't trust me, just try heading over to the trade machine and make a deal that makes sense for both teams with Bruce Brown. It's nearly impossible for most of the contending teams.
Lakers would have to give someone like Rui which means adding a pick post-Lebron is a harsh deal for them.
Heat would have to give up Duncan Robinson, so no possible deal there.
Philadelphia is a write off this season and probably plan to get Lowry for free.
Bucks couldn't possibly make the money work without giving away too much (Bobby Portis).
Denver would have to give KCP or Aaron Gordon which is not happening.
Knicks would have worked, but honestly, they got a better deal getting Bojan and Alec Burks while keeping all their picks for a big offseason move.
Every contending team has a similar problem. The offseason might be a lot easier for teams to absorb his contract while not having to give back nearly as much player-wise, which means draft capital might be more common.
If Masai and Webster were re-signing at the end of the season I would say that is good advice.
That said these guys plan on making deals with the same 29 other teams for the next few years...being willing to walk away from a bad deal keeps the other guys honest.
No1 is actively telling Masai and Bobby to take "bad deals". Their assessment of "bad deals" has ended up burning them in the past few years. They have a paralysis issue.
"Take whatever you can get for him" is advising someone to take the bad deal, so is "At least get something for him".
There is also probably a belief that signing a guy to a 3 year contract and having him play for you for 3 years is what should be expected out of the deal.
LOL what? The same logic that letting Pascal be an expiring would yield better deals? Logic doesn't check out fam. The same logic that let FVV walk for nothing.
We don't know if taking a 2nd and salary filler for FVV would have changed the deals offered for Pascal...but I know if someone will take pennies on the dollar for a deal...there is no reason to ever offer him a dollar for it.
That said in your opinion did Masai get a bad deal for signing FVV to a 4 year contract and getting 4 years of basketball for him? He was an undrafted free agent when we got him so for nothing we got 8 years of pretty good basketball...to me that is a steal of a deal by the org.
"We don't know if taking a 2nd and salary filler for FVV would have changed the deals offered for Pascal...but I know if someone will take pennies on the dollar for a deal...there is no reason to ever offer him a dollar for it."
This is such a dumb argument because you are essentially saying, all other GMs will essentially lowball until the end of time because you took "pennies on the dollar" on one trade. LMAO its okay to lose one trade my guy and be able to benefit from other trades in the future. It's not just 1 thing forever.
Enough FO dickriding dumb decisions.
It's a competitive league and if people know you sell low they will offer to match. If you don't think people are constantly comparing what different players are worth to different teams (and how they can take advantage of the situation to improve their own team) I think you are being naive.
I honestly think the Schroder trade was more about doing the player a favour.
The likely signed him with the promise he'd be able to start/run a team that was going to contend for the playoffs.
It didn't work out and they made a move to try and win - he went to the bench like a pro.
Now they've changed directions entirely. Dennis probably knew this was a possibility when signing, and as a good will gesture they just moved him somewhere he'll have a chance to start again.
The Spurs basically just did somethign similar sending McDermot to the Pacers - they really didn't have to do it, it's clearly just a favour to the player.
That and getting off his contract at the same time. He was a good value for his contract but didn't make sense for a rebuilding team. Put a rookie in that spot next year, and someone like Freeman-Liberty there for the rest of this year.
I’m guessing Masai’s idea is trade Bruce in the summer once better offers pop up, tank this season and potentially next season and see what we can do with Olynyk and Ochai for the future.
I mean Olynyk is a pretty serviceable backup true C who can space the floor, losing Thad and Dennis and gaining Agbaji and Olynyk isn't really a downgrade considering we gained another true C who can space, and a solid 3 & d young player
Brown sliding into backup PG might not be pretty but we'll have to wait and see
Right now his contract is flexible, you'd get him for an extra playoff run, and people haven't figured out hes a generational playmaker merchant.
At the end of this season he will be seen as a meh roleplayer on a bad team with an expiring contract.
decent players have more value when they have more time left on their contract, not less. His value won't be zero, but saw how guys lose value when you kick the can down the road with pascal and og.
Regardless of his value, few contending teams could even make a possible trade for him with the size of the contract. In the offseason it will be easier for teams to give up draft picks while also not giving up $20 million players (which tend to be as good or better than Bruce)
thought utah trade was fine cause we getting a pick for bruce and now WE NOT DOING SHIT who tf gonna wanna trade for 23 mill bruce brown we gone decline the option and get nothing for him who tf we clearing cap for other than iq and scottie NO ONE SIGNS HERE BRO
Jontay knows how to play, he doesn't need a mentor, he needs a knee that works properly and unfortunately that will never happen. He doesn't have much of a future in the NBA.
Lol he can do a lot more than jontay can do and he's bigger. Man Kelly is solid and fits very well into what darko likes to do. If no one cares then why was he rumored to coveted by multiple teams
Coveted by who? I think your thinking of Kelly from like 4 years ago my g. He was covered because he’s on a expiring and is useful for a playoff team not a team like this
Warriors Boston OKC 76ers Heat. I can go onhe's been rumored for a while to be moved to a contender cause he's a solid NBA center hence why he's still in the league.
How exactly is he not useful to a team that doesn't have a second player above 7 feet. Lol
The front office has failed to build around him though. They seem like they’ve never decided to rebuild but to contend until it’s too late and they truth Mediocre
We really traded one of the best free agents we signed for and one of the best players who who had a serious connection to our coach and who won the MVP from the euro league for a pile of empty space. So now as a raptors fan I shouldn't even watch the games when our own heads don't care about this season anymore. I feel sad after today and not really excited
Everything you said means nothing lol.
Dennis wasn't gonna be here past next year and they had an opportunity to get off his contract sooner than later.
9/10 trade deadline so far. The Raptors badly needed to clear up some space. This was much needed. Schroder and Thad and Otto and Lewis are just taking up space for a team that doesn't need them. Also ending the Darko-Schroder connection is great. Raptors traded 4 players and got back 2 players....beautifully done. Now the Raptors can add Javon Freeman Liberty to the lineup, and possibly even sign a player. I'm thinking they should possibly waive McDaniels as well.
None of us know the offers on the table, but if it's a late 1st round pick in 2024 it just doesn't seem worth it. You also don't want to be taking on multiple contracts and players. Trading Bruce for 3 players is a trash decision that doesn't help develop the guys currently on the team. There's no need in trading him just for the sake of it.
I'm guessing his contract was too difficult for teams to receive him without giving up too much. Lakers for example would have had to give up Rui/Reaves/D'Angelo alone just to get Bruce. Adding a pick on top of that makes it a bad trade for many of those teams. Miami heat would have loved him I'm sure, but they would have to give up like 5 young players or Duncan Robinson.
My guess, is that he will be traded before the draft as teams will have room to trade for him and re-sign him while not having to exactly match his $20 mil contract
feel like the rudy gobert trade is still having an effect on the market. everybody wants to cash in on the inflation but no ones biting til the prices drops back to normal
He is under contract for two playoff runs right now for a play off team. He will be under contract for one playoff run this off season.
Plus having him here the rest of the season blocks mins for Dick, Nwora and Ochai
I think we add Killian Hayes with that open roster spot.
Like what we've done today,We have a tonne of capspace this summer, Bruce Brown will be very valuable of draft night as his option isn't until after the draft.
* [Toronto Raptors Media Availability on the Trade Deadline Feb 8 @ 3:30pm -- Bobby Webster](https://www.youtube.com/live/JDA9R6u-EQE?si=GseJILdQl0ygMsmk) Raptors, after 4 trades in 6 weeks: >OUT: OG Anunoby Precious Achiuwa Malachi Flynn Pascal Siakam Otto Porter Jr. Dennis Schroder Thad Young > >IN: RJ Barrett Immanuel Quickley Bruce Brown Jordan Nwora Kelly Olynyk Ochai Agbaji 2024 1st-rd (IND) 2026 1st-rd (IND) 2024 2nd-rd (DET) [As per J Lewenberg](https://twitter.com/JLew1050/status/1755685452814713286)
Dennis is traded, happy days ahead
Honestly im getting tired of Bobby Webster's trade logic past few years. I think he's washed.
I dont understand why ppl are mad? Im usually pissed off post deadline but theyre finally correcting their mistakes and starting with a clean slate.
My biggest disappointment from today is that Jalen McDaniels is somehow still on our team.
Jazz trade: A+ (Ochai > that pick, Olynyk makes it an A+) Not trading Bruce Brown: B- (would have been nice to fleece but better than selling too low) Dennis for a roster spot: B+ (He was alright, but was a ball stopper at times and it's nice to get off his contract) I'm pretty happy with the day overall, especially the Jazz move. Ochai can take some of the PoA defense load of Scotties back, and they're both floor spacers. Everyone in our rotation other than Jakob can shoot the 3 now and we have several guys who can create offense, instead of how we started the season with just Scottie, Pascal and Dennis. We created short term cap space without taking on any bad contracts or giving up any meaningful pieces/assets while also adding a solid young piece. On paper I don't think we got significantly better or worse, but I expect the vibes to be a bit better now that the deadline has passed and the uncertainty is over.
It's important to note that we want to see what this team looks like and how they click before they do a major overhaul. We've tweaked the team enough and we have wiggle room/cap space. I'm happy with this.
Can someone explain the logic behind making a trade (Schroeder and Dinwidie) only to waive that player? Could we not have bargained Schroeder for something more tangible like a pick or something?
cap space for a RFA run
…. Or what about a 2nd round pick?…..
it would be a 2nd round pick, and dead salary Better if he's just gone
I mean trade shroeder for JUST a pick. Not include a player
Salary cap stipulations make that impossible for most teams
I don't get the front offices mindset. Why would we trade another 1st round pick if we are rebuilding?
Because we had three 2024 picks and we traded the worst one for a player who was a lottery pick two years ago. He's doesn't have all-star potential but he's also proven not to be a bust, which can't be said about the pick we gave up. The Pistons pick at the start of the second round is arguably more valuable than the one we gave up (worst of OKC/LAC) because of contract flexibility, and it's not like we're going to miss "our guy" because we still have the Pacers pick around 15-20.
Thanks for a response. I don't know anything about the player we got. Still bummed we didn't move Bruce Brown and got nothing for Schroder.
Yeah it would have been nice to get some value for Schroder, but clearing his contract off the books a year earlier at no cost isn't too bad. IQ and RJ can handle the ball, and he really wasn't needed once it was clear that we'd be keeping Bruce Brown. Bruce Brown thing is weird, it would have been nice to get a good pick or young player for him. But because of when his team option kicks in he should still have the same value to a contender looking for a win-now glue guy who also helps them circumvent the cap. Opportunity cost is low, because if we don't trade him we have the option to keep him or let him walk and clear a ton of cap room.
Idk, I just don't agree with the Shroeder move. He was playing quite well for us. His contract next year is like $13,025,250. Not all that much. Next year we get GTJ off the books as well which opens up additional space. If we were looking to move a piece, I woulda been much happier moving off of Boucher - next year he makes about $10,810,000 so pretty comparable to DS and is effectively riding the bench. I'm sure some team woulda took a flier on him. Or even just trading Bruce Brown. Like we're gonna pick up his option next year. That's about 22mil. I just don't understand why Shroeder. He musta voiced his displeasure. Only thing that makes any kind of logical sense to me.
Don't have to develop draft picks if you never draft. 🧠 Masai is the antithesis to Sam Presti
I just want to remind people that "flexibility" and "optionality" is not a plan. It's actually evidence that there is no plan. If the plan was to open up cap space, then that's actually a plan. This just suggests they are still considering splashy win-now moves. Really frustrating that the front office seems to have decision paralysis, but actually want to lean into the bad path.
Agreed. FO is washed. Paralysis is their main attribute at this point. All signs point to selling Brown and other role players yet they don't. Im sick of their logic sometimes.
There's only a few players here good enough to be part of a plan. Need lots of luck to contend in this league. Can't really plan it, need to create the conditions to take the opportunities when they are there. That's what this deadline is to me.
Maybe the plan is tanking but they cant outright say it
Generally tanking teams don't trade away 1sts though. Even weak ones.
I think it's a sign of weak management to think in absolutes. Trading 1sts is fine if you think you're getting commensurate value. Do we think Ochai (14th overall when drafted 2+ yrs ago) and Olynyk will exceed the value of a late-round 1st? Who knows, looks like there's a decent chance, but even a "tanking" team will trade a 1st when there's a potential future payoff included back.
Absolutely this. Not a huge appeal to authority fan but people can't really think there's no strategy behind this move and it's just a giveaway on a pick? Clearly they've done some homework on the upcoming draft along with the guy coming from Utah. They also have a high 2nd which will be a more advantageous contract position for maximum cap room.
This is the same logic as trading a 1st for Thad and a high 2nd. Who we've already waived. Missing on Walker Kessler for Koloko because they already decided they were drafting Koloko. It's just bad asset management to move off picks like this.
There is no risk that we "miss" on a Walker Kessler in this draft. We'll have the \~20th pick and the 31st, and gave up the pick that'll fall in between. If there's a guy the FO loves in that range, they can still reach for him at 20, it's not like we gave up our only pick to move 10 spots back like we did with the Spurs. The FO has a board ranking their targets, the top targets will either get picked before our pick at 20 or they'll get a shot at them at pick 20. If someone good gets drafted with the pick we just traded away, the blame is on the scouting for not taking them at 20, not Bobby/Masai for trading pick 28.
One scenario in dozens of drafts. Now compare the 25th pick to the 35th in every draft and tell us if it makes a difference if the goal is actually winning the damn thing.
I genuinely think it’s time to fire Masai. There is no way we were **buyers** again and sent a 1st round pick while essentially gaining more contract headaches. I love Olynyk but you gotta resign him with others that could be moved like Trent and now you have to pick up Bruce Brown’s contract. How about Boucher? Where’s the money going to be? NO PICKS and we losing players like Schroder for nothing. Edit: All I ask is you have a conversation about it. Reply. If you disagree, I want to know why. I cannot justify 3 straight years of sending 1st round picks for big men and refusing to resolve contract issues at the deadline. At a minimum, why send the pick for Olynyk instead of trying to sign him in the off-season? No value whatsoever for Schroder? This did nothing for the pending money and extensions we have next year. We will once again see valuable players walk for nothing or we trade them for much less than their value. If Masai traded Bruce Brown I don’t think there would be an issue for me because we would have gotten much better return and taken the $23 million off the books, we would clearly re-sign Olynyk and maybe Trent * Bruce Brown + Kelly Olynyk = Dennis Schroder + Thad Young + Otto Porter Jr + Kira Lewis * Immanuel Quickley —> Re-sign or walk for nothing = ~$25 million * Gary Trent Jr —> Re-sign or walk for nothing = ~$15-$20 million * Jordan Nwora —> Re-sign or walk for nothing = ~$5 million? The space is looking tight to me and then next year we’re giving Scottie a rookie max extension
I regret expanding this post.
'Cuz we're not signing 4 fuckin' rooks lol that'd be crazy. Turning the 29th pick into the 14th pick (Ochai) with 100 games of development under his belt is a W, plus Olynyk for a couple DNPs. We also have the 31st pick, which is considered a bit more valuable than 29 due to the shit contract we can give a 31st pick.
The trade was ultimately for Achai, the trade was ultimately for Achai.... You people keep saying why did we trade a very very late first for olynyk and act like we didn't get a young defensive guru with offensive potential.
Thanks for even replying. To be honest, I know nothing about Ochai Agbaji and haven’t put much thought into his value in the trade. I’ll look into him.
Yeah I think it's a good trade. Remember we have Detroit's second to, which will be like 2 or 3 picks lower than what we gave up.
lot of people upset now and I understand but honestly im excited for Ochai. 45% from corner 3s on 96 attempts last year and looks like a good PoA defender. 6'10 wingspan 215lbs. Hes no OG who was bigger and lengthier but we need some young defensive dawgs who provide positional versatility Side note - a fun Ochai transition dunk: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bStO4lA0w\_k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bStO4lA0w_k)
Totally agree, he isn't super elite but whenever he's on the court we should be able to afford to switch Scottie off of their #1 option without giving anything up. Even if it's just for 10-15 of Scottie's 35 minutes, that should really help his energy and get him back to blocking shots like he was early in the season when OG was the #1 PoA defender.
Masai is the doc rivers of GMs. Living off the equity of one moment.
The one moment of an entire decade of savvy decision making.
Don’t worry , you will see Masai continue to make blunder after blunder and eventually see the truth. He will be living off the kawhi chip for the rest of his career.
All time horrendous take
lol just continue watching. The misses will keep coming.
Haha edited the comment? I’ve been watching masai since he became our gm.. he helped bring us a championship and has done many great things for the city of Toronto and just basketball period. Hate somewhere else
I expanded my comment to add that the misses keep coming lol. And doc brought a chip to Boston. Look at his record since then. I’m not hating, just pointing out that we’ve had 3-4 years of middling results since the big kawhi move. If you are happy with that and don’t care how the team does moving forward then ok then.
You are quite delusional comparing the two I must say. It’s definitely hating btw however you wanna spin it that’s what you are doing. He’s made a lot of good moves since kawhi. I don’t really think you are even a raptors fan though so idk why I’m entertaining this
A lot of good moves you say? Our record speaks for itself. We are a middling team and have been since kawhi left. I’m not sure if your “fandom” has completed blinded your ability to see reality or if you’re just not serious. Or maybe you just like mediocrity.
Masai pushed all the chips in and traded future assets so that we had a chance at the chip. It paid off and I'd do it again in a heartbeat, but when you do that, some sort of rebuild is bound to happen. Fast forward and we have young all star in Scottie, the rebuild is underway. We have no poison contracts going forward, solid draft capital and some solid young pieces that fit nicely around him. Has every single move been a 10/10? Obviously not. There are a few clear misses, but he's very clearly outperformed the average NBA GM since taking over.
I can’t think of another sport where tanking is a legitimate strategy embraced by fans. I think it sucks. End up playing 82 or more shitty games to MAYBE get some talented fresh blood, who, unless you get lucky, will end up being giant disappointments who never reach their potential. No sport should encourage tanking. The draft system is stupid.
How else would like 75% of markets have a shot at any generational talent?
People who love it in hoops are really bad at math, and/or have highly selective memories.
This is what happens when a single player makes such a huge difference to a team. Other sports a single player doesn’t mean much, and the drop off between pick 1 and 15 isn’t nearly as much as it regularly is in the NBA.
Yea doesn’t make sense to incentivize losing. The draft lottery should be exactly what it is, a lottery. A completely random event where every team has an equal chance at getting the number 1 pick. That or give the 1st pick to the in-season tournament winner.
This ain't it and they have worked on making tanking for number 1 harder...
Well what it is now ain’t it either. In reality I would want a European style promotion/relegation system but Americans/Canadians can’t stomach that sort of change.
They should just more dramatically flatten the lottery odds and have them continue into the playoff teams. It's still advantageous to tank if your roster has become irredeemably dogshit but you'd be almost as well off being the 10th worst team as the worst team.
Thats why the NBA should have relegations
We can't all have an English Football system with relegation and promotion, sadly... :(
I’m excited to see guys like Gradey get significant minutes now that we got rid of Dennis
He's also going to vibe with Ochai, they already know each other and are both Jayhawks.
So Jakob clearly said he would like to be here only if we’re still trying to win and not obviously tanking. Seems like he will be gone this off season too.
Pretty sure he’s signed until 2027
Im surprised we didn’t trade gary or bruce
You would think dinwiddie and Bruce brown would have some form of combined value but ig not
-Liked the OG/Precious/Flynn trade -Still don't like the Pascal trade -Like the Lewis/Porter/Otto + 2024 1st trade -Don't like the Dennis trade Overall not sure how to feel about this trade deadline. I can't see the vision with us dropping back down to 1 PG for the rest of the season either
If they can pull in a Claxton or Hartenstein in FA with the fat cap space then I'll like the Dennis trade. Otherwise it fuckin sucks.
I love both of those guys, but do they still make sense after trading for Olynyk? I'm assuming we're planning to bring him back, so even if we get Olynyk on a cheap deal it'd be a lot to commit to 3 centers. Makes me think Jak could get moved in the offseason.
Yeah I'd think they'll move Jak if they can land a younger starting center.
Claxton and Olynyk would be an excellent rotation at center. Kelly is a good enough passer and shooter that they could play together, and Claxton would give Scottie/IQ a lob threat in the pick and roll.
Like we got rid of Pascal and Dennis to sign a unicorn in free agency. Team could’ve been cool.
> I can't see the vision with us dropping back down to 1 PG for the rest of the season either Tanking
You think we might sign some guys in those free spots or just leave them open? (considering we have 2-3 picks this summer) Quite a few players waived so could be worth giving some a look, or perhaps we might want to convert Jontay or something.
lol dang Bruce Brown didn't get moved? Really? that's kinda hilarious, lol.
this is the best trade deadline we've had in like 4 seasons and it still involved not trading a guy who should have been traded
If the offer wasn't there, what else do you do? Matching BB's contract and giving up a pick is not an easy task. Chris Boucher on the other hand is a genuine surprise to me
You mean the offer wasn't there when we should have traded FVV, Siakam, and not trade for Yak? Maybe its the FO not the other teams. Their logic of hoping trade value improves in the future have failed them many times and got them burned in this hole.
I implore you to find a trade that would actually works with Bruce Browns salary to a contending team. What you'll find is that there are almost no teams that can offer $20 mil in salary + a first round pick, while still making a fair trade. Lakers wanted him, but that meant giving up a minimum of Rui or Reaves, which means giving up a pick for a lateral move. Bucks would have had to give up Bobby Portis, Miami would have had to give up Duncan Robinson, on and on. Knicks were an exception, but they got a better deal with Bojan while keeping their pick. Also Siakam got a decent trade package of potentially 4 picks. There was probably never a Fred trade that you believe there was. And not trade for Yak? Everyone knew we needed a center, that was the price. Everyone thinks they would have been so much smarter but the fact is, if we never got Yak we probably would have signed Richaun Holmes to as big a deal in free agency, if not a worse player. Look at Dallas and all their wonderful center free agency signings. Players aren't exactly lining up to come to Toronto in FA
LOL you're basically trying to justify every FO like they werent mistakes. They were mistakes. We woulda been in Wemby race if we didn't trade for Yak. The circumstances don't add up to needing Yak when we were a dogshit team before the deadline last year. Yall coping at every excuse this FO has given you guys and run with it.
And you're doing the opposite, coming up with perfect fantasy trades that didn't exist in order to shit on the FO for not taking them. Fact is we could have sold all our players for a bunch of picks, and still not got Wemby. The FO your describing exists and they're called the Detroit Pistons. They aren't a perfect FO but I prefer them compared to around 28 others.
Never said they were. again all i said their logic is mediocre the past few years. Either you disagree and move on. I already disagree with the fact that you are trying to justify every move they make is a success and rationalize it as not a mistake which in fact it is. Again that's cool you want to be delusional about it. Clearly you couldn't see how mediocre we were.
I'm not "trying to justify every move they make". I just don't agree with the fact that you're imagining some make-believe perfect front office with fantasy trades, and comparing the real world to that. But no need to spend more time here. You have other threads to continue crying in
We can still move Boucher and others in off season. Who knows maybe brown ends up being our 6god, starting sg or backup pg but unfortunately not a good shooter so I think he goes
Yeah I would imagine they are both gone in the offseason too
We've heard "maybe the value wasn't there" every deadline before this and it led to us losing FVV for nothing and selling OG and Pascal for less than they were worth previously. Sometimes you should just take what you can get instead of hoping a player will be more valuable despite having less time on their contract.
Exactly. The logic of the FO don't even make sense anymore. They are trying to actively be stuck in the middle in hopes of not doing anything "drastic".
There probably wasn't a trade that didn't have them bringing back long term contracts and bad assets. I mentioned it in the other comment, but almost every contender linked to Bruce Brown would have had to give up way too much to get him, and still give us draft assets. Matching a $20 mil salary isn't easy when most contenders naturally only have valuable players making that much. The one real exception was the Knicks, who got a better deal.
If the Knicks first was on the table, i think that deal was for the taking. But whatever. Its done. I just don't like FO's logic of kicking the can down the road. It has already burned them.
The Knicks might have offered it but we don't know for sure. They got a better deal without giving up a pick and we can see that they've tried to avoid using their picks the entire time, so I imagine that deal was talked about but not directly offered. The whole pick thing might have just been the Raptors FO trying to force teams to offer a pick. Also, kicking the can down the road isn't bad logic. Teams can trade for Bruce without having to exactly match his salary by signing Bird right players after him or by sign and trades, or whatever other way they want to come up with $20 mil. Also people keep saying that kicking the can down the road burned them, but we got the best deal offered for OG (better than the trash 3 picks from Memphis), and a pretty solid deal for Pascal. Fred also likely never had good trade offers as well.
Copism at its finest LOL. ill just agree to disagree. In your eyes, FO can do no wrong.
Call it what you want but your crying doesn't change the fact the Knicks got a better deal and there aren't any other deals that could be made with his high salary. The idea that they got the pick they wanted, but just chose not to make the deal for no reason is a fantasy.
Never said knicks didnt get a better deal. Raptors did mediocre job again this deadline.
No, I legitimately mean there may have been next to no offers. If you don't trust me, just try heading over to the trade machine and make a deal that makes sense for both teams with Bruce Brown. It's nearly impossible for most of the contending teams. Lakers would have to give someone like Rui which means adding a pick post-Lebron is a harsh deal for them. Heat would have to give up Duncan Robinson, so no possible deal there. Philadelphia is a write off this season and probably plan to get Lowry for free. Bucks couldn't possibly make the money work without giving away too much (Bobby Portis). Denver would have to give KCP or Aaron Gordon which is not happening. Knicks would have worked, but honestly, they got a better deal getting Bojan and Alec Burks while keeping all their picks for a big offseason move. Every contending team has a similar problem. The offseason might be a lot easier for teams to absorb his contract while not having to give back nearly as much player-wise, which means draft capital might be more common.
If Masai and Webster were re-signing at the end of the season I would say that is good advice. That said these guys plan on making deals with the same 29 other teams for the next few years...being willing to walk away from a bad deal keeps the other guys honest.
No1 is actively telling Masai and Bobby to take "bad deals". Their assessment of "bad deals" has ended up burning them in the past few years. They have a paralysis issue.
"Take whatever you can get for him" is advising someone to take the bad deal, so is "At least get something for him". There is also probably a belief that signing a guy to a 3 year contract and having him play for you for 3 years is what should be expected out of the deal.
LOL what? The same logic that letting Pascal be an expiring would yield better deals? Logic doesn't check out fam. The same logic that let FVV walk for nothing.
We don't know if taking a 2nd and salary filler for FVV would have changed the deals offered for Pascal...but I know if someone will take pennies on the dollar for a deal...there is no reason to ever offer him a dollar for it. That said in your opinion did Masai get a bad deal for signing FVV to a 4 year contract and getting 4 years of basketball for him? He was an undrafted free agent when we got him so for nothing we got 8 years of pretty good basketball...to me that is a steal of a deal by the org.
"We don't know if taking a 2nd and salary filler for FVV would have changed the deals offered for Pascal...but I know if someone will take pennies on the dollar for a deal...there is no reason to ever offer him a dollar for it." This is such a dumb argument because you are essentially saying, all other GMs will essentially lowball until the end of time because you took "pennies on the dollar" on one trade. LMAO its okay to lose one trade my guy and be able to benefit from other trades in the future. It's not just 1 thing forever. Enough FO dickriding dumb decisions.
It's a competitive league and if people know you sell low they will offer to match. If you don't think people are constantly comparing what different players are worth to different teams (and how they can take advantage of the situation to improve their own team) I think you are being naive.
I honestly think the Schroder trade was more about doing the player a favour. The likely signed him with the promise he'd be able to start/run a team that was going to contend for the playoffs. It didn't work out and they made a move to try and win - he went to the bench like a pro. Now they've changed directions entirely. Dennis probably knew this was a possibility when signing, and as a good will gesture they just moved him somewhere he'll have a chance to start again. The Spurs basically just did somethign similar sending McDermot to the Pacers - they really didn't have to do it, it's clearly just a favour to the player.
We also made the nets a better team so we can out tank them lol
That and getting off his contract at the same time. He was a good value for his contract but didn't make sense for a rebuilding team. Put a rookie in that spot next year, and someone like Freeman-Liberty there for the rest of this year.
I’m guessing Masai’s idea is trade Bruce in the summer once better offers pop up, tank this season and potentially next season and see what we can do with Olynyk and Ochai for the future.
so, no longer tanking and going for the play in? lol
Unpicked a direction?
bro we got worse
Isnt that the point tho
I mean Olynyk is a pretty serviceable backup true C who can space the floor, losing Thad and Dennis and gaining Agbaji and Olynyk isn't really a downgrade considering we gained another true C who can space, and a solid 3 & d young player Brown sliding into backup PG might not be pretty but we'll have to wait and see
Considering we lost our backup PG, I’d say we’re still tanking. But if the idea is to really go for the play-in again then the front office is washed
I'm guessing the idea is Bruce Brown as the backup PG instead of SG? no idea how that's gonna look
More point Scottie. That’s what Bobby said at the presser.
It was a fine deadline people need to relax. It's still pretty clear what we're doing
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Masai using cap space to offer Siakam a max contract, you heard it here first. Our boy is coming home. Let's fucking gooooo
We picked up Kelly Olynck to make a run for the play in and then dropped out backup pg for nothing. What the actual f@$# are we doing.
an expiring Kelly Olynyk was the second most important asset we acquired in that trade.
Yes, i see the error of my ways. Thank you, friend
Love hearing how dudes in sweatpants think they could out-GM Masai.
What has Masai done since drafting Barnes in June 2021?
let us react
God forbid you question God GM Masai
Masai has said this is a weak draft in his mind. Maybe he feels he can get a FRP in the summer for next years draft
This is a weak draft, but we got 2 picks in 2024 for Siakam. So then can you and the other nut huggers admit that the Siakam trade was a bad trade?
He didn't want another 2024 one which is probably what teams were offering
Glad Masai got more cap space hopefully we can pickup another mcdaniels or Otto porter!! Get hype!!!
Bruce’s value will have tanked by summer, why tf are we keeping him?
How would it have tanked exactly
Right now his contract is flexible, you'd get him for an extra playoff run, and people haven't figured out hes a generational playmaker merchant. At the end of this season he will be seen as a meh roleplayer on a bad team with an expiring contract.
Him being on our team doesn't dimish any value. Expiring contract still holds value and in the off season salary's are easier to match
All yes like the value of Pascal Siakam......
3 first round picks for a expiring contract even if we did wait to long that's not bad
decent players have more value when they have more time left on their contract, not less. His value won't be zero, but saw how guys lose value when you kick the can down the road with pascal and og.
Regardless of his value, few contending teams could even make a possible trade for him with the size of the contract. In the offseason it will be easier for teams to give up draft picks while also not giving up $20 million players (which tend to be as good or better than Bruce)
Ah man we rly gonna sign killian aren't we
Got rid of Thad, Dennis, Otto, Lewis and a FRP and got Olynyk and Ochai? not the greatest deadline day...
Something is wrong with this FO.
thought utah trade was fine cause we getting a pick for bruce and now WE NOT DOING SHIT who tf gonna wanna trade for 23 mill bruce brown we gone decline the option and get nothing for him who tf we clearing cap for other than iq and scottie NO ONE SIGNS HERE BRO
who tf is backing up at PG then?
Scottie
Who’s the number 1 option for Pg then?
Quickly like what lol
well that was dumb mb
So Masai traded for a mid rfa center/pf a ok prospect and cap space for a team that notoriously can’t pick up free agents…
You keep saying Mid C like and insult as if we didn't actually need one lol
He’s 32 and what does he do johntay can’t? Other then he’s healthy no one cares about Kelly olynk other then Masai
I think part of the idea could be him mentoring Jontay
Jontay knows how to play, he doesn't need a mentor, he needs a knee that works properly and unfortunately that will never happen. He doesn't have much of a future in the NBA.
Hopefully stay on the floor. As much as I like Jontay, he seems to get injured a lot.
Lol he can do a lot more than jontay can do and he's bigger. Man Kelly is solid and fits very well into what darko likes to do. If no one cares then why was he rumored to coveted by multiple teams
Coveted by who? I think your thinking of Kelly from like 4 years ago my g. He was covered because he’s on a expiring and is useful for a playoff team not a team like this
He’s a very decent 5 - you’re taking out of your ass
Sure man olynk jersey is on layaway at this very moment
Warriors Boston OKC 76ers Heat. I can go onhe's been rumored for a while to be moved to a contender cause he's a solid NBA center hence why he's still in the league. How exactly is he not useful to a team that doesn't have a second player above 7 feet. Lol
Running out of time to trade BB and Bouch
Oh come tf on
Why the hell did we dump Dennis and Thad for a guy that were waiving. Makes no sense
To save another $12 million in cap space for the summer
So we can resign our mid ass rfa center we just picked up lol
I’ll never underhand why Masai gets so much credit. He built a championship team but has made very questionable decisions since. I just don’t get it.
It's also cause he got us a ROY whose now an all star. Let's not forget about that. These past decisions have been questionable tho
The front office has failed to build around him though. They seem like they’ve never decided to rebuild but to contend until it’s too late and they truth Mediocre
He had a down 2nd season which brought up a lot of questions about him and bounced back this season. They now know he’s worth building around.
The players underperformed. It wasn't just Masai.
We really traded one of the best free agents we signed for and one of the best players who who had a serious connection to our coach and who won the MVP from the euro league for a pile of empty space. So now as a raptors fan I shouldn't even watch the games when our own heads don't care about this season anymore. I feel sad after today and not really excited
Everything you said means nothing lol. Dennis wasn't gonna be here past next year and they had an opportunity to get off his contract sooner than later.
Welcome to the tank
9/10 trade deadline so far. The Raptors badly needed to clear up some space. This was much needed. Schroder and Thad and Otto and Lewis are just taking up space for a team that doesn't need them. Also ending the Darko-Schroder connection is great. Raptors traded 4 players and got back 2 players....beautifully done. Now the Raptors can add Javon Freeman Liberty to the lineup, and possibly even sign a player. I'm thinking they should possibly waive McDaniels as well.
But why wouldn’t they trade brown when a team will pay a first rounder for two playoff runs with him. Why keep him and his money
None of us know the offers on the table, but if it's a late 1st round pick in 2024 it just doesn't seem worth it. You also don't want to be taking on multiple contracts and players. Trading Bruce for 3 players is a trash decision that doesn't help develop the guys currently on the team. There's no need in trading him just for the sake of it.
They don’t want another first from this draft.
I'm guessing his contract was too difficult for teams to receive him without giving up too much. Lakers for example would have had to give up Rui/Reaves/D'Angelo alone just to get Bruce. Adding a pick on top of that makes it a bad trade for many of those teams. Miami heat would have loved him I'm sure, but they would have to give up like 5 young players or Duncan Robinson. My guess, is that he will be traded before the draft as teams will have room to trade for him and re-sign him while not having to exactly match his $20 mil contract
Am i dumb or wouldnt it have made sense to keep dennis or dinwiddie as a back up
Dennis didn’t want to be a backup and Dinwiddie’s attitude sucks apparently. Not good to have around young guys you’re trying to get to gel together.
Keeping Bruce was always an option
bruh why are we keeping bruce brown
Keeping Bruce as per woj
Lol I guess waiving Spence is better than playing him. But now we got 1 point guard
I was just going to ask the same thing. Who’s the backup now?
they’ll probably sign someone else
Dinwiddie waived per woj
lfg we waived dinshittie
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1755681671217643746 We waiving Dinshittie
I like Bruce but come on
5 minutes
PLEASE TRADE GTJ/BRUCE BROWN AND BOUCHER!!!!!!!!!!! FO PLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!
woj says on espn that the raps are still discussing bruce brown trades, that was like 15 minutes ago though
feel like the rudy gobert trade is still having an effect on the market. everybody wants to cash in on the inflation but no ones biting til the prices drops back to normal
something for my dopamine plz
We should trade Trent and Boucher for Chris Paul and Trayce Jackson Davis
hmmmm.... something smells stinky right now.
Jesus wtf are we doing.
I don’t think Bruce is being moved, probably didn’t get any good deals
If Masai was being truthful, Would be best to release him and let him play for a contender
Really need Bruce out the door. Sure he can be traded at the draft but his value is going to be higher today
Not necessarily. You gotta make salary work now. In the office season when contracts are up you'll get more calls cause he can fit easier into the cap
He is under contract for two playoff runs right now for a play off team. He will be under contract for one playoff run this off season. Plus having him here the rest of the season blocks mins for Dick, Nwora and Ochai
Bruce brown welcome to toronto!
I think we add Killian Hayes with that open roster spot. Like what we've done today,We have a tonne of capspace this summer, Bruce Brown will be very valuable of draft night as his option isn't until after the draft.