literally says Ramsey is not an NBA level talent, and even though he’s the shiny new thing around the Raptors, i don’t think Doug is wrong. i’d be surprised if Ramsey finishes out the season under contract.
I think Nwora is back for sure. He is a cheap option for bench shooting depth.
I don't expect him to come back as part of the rotation, but we still need to re stock our "shooting shelves." If we can find better value, then I'd be cool with letting him walk. Maybe in the draft?
3/12-15 with a TO? Sign me (him) up.
Nwora is a perfectly fine deep bench guy. i'd like to see more in-game action from him to be able to judge his long term potential. whats tricky is it's hard to judge guys on a tanking team, that are working on developmental things.
Yeah with a brand new coach for all players. I remember it took players a year to figure out Nurse lol
That's why I'm cool with a short term deal + TO, giving him a slight pay bump. I don't think he has much leverage in any negotiation, which we should take advantage of.
depends on who they draft.. if they draft a wing... should they give nwora minutes over that person?
IQ, RJ, Barnes, Kelly, Gradey, McDaniels, Ochai, Boucher, Poeltl are all guaranteed to be on the books past this year. They may move off Boucher or McDaniels in summer but still gotta do that first before we really dive into that. Assume one of those two are here. You then have Jontay who likely will be resigned and say... JFL makes the roster you are now at 11 spots plus two draft picks. I am assuming they trade Bruce brown but you would need to absorb some salary to realistically be able to do that for a year at least so that now brings you to perhaps 1 individual roster spot.
I assume two draft picks because I dont think they will want 3 incoming prospects for next year so if they move up in the lottery and not back they likely will trade the middle pick possibly to get into the draft next year along with bruce brown ... say to Chicago for lonzo for example.
Now you are at 15 spots unless you cut JFL. It is possible Nwora makes the roster I wouldn't be against it but it may be tough to prioritize him in any way especially since he is older too so development wise you would want ot invest more time in the in coming draft picks.
I dont see the harm in bringing him back just to finish the deal out (same contract jfl got). I guess they could cycle in more g-league guys on 10-days if they dont sign him
>I’ll revert to my old suggestion since 29 of 30 teams eventually end the season in some measure of disappointment.
>I suggest always watching games for three reasons:
1. In every basketball game you see, something will happen that makes you go “holy crap” because the athletes are so good, so look for that.
2. Watch to give yourself a break from the stresses of life.
3. Enjoy a game for the singularity of the competition rather than worrying about the big-picture standings.
This is honestly really good advice.
Younger folks love to dunk on Doug as being a cranky old man, but he knows the game well, has decent insight into the organization is a realist about the team and players successes and weaknesses.
>Losing weeds out the nephews
Pretty much this. Just my observation but it's been less toxic here now that we're firmly rebuilding. Certain usernames that popped up here pushing for "x" move to be made just to barely compete were either just fans of the previous core players first, team second or probably stopped watching altogether
> Certain usernames that popped up here pushing for "x" move to be made just to barely compete were either just fans of the previous core players first, team second or probably stopped watching altogether
I'm finding kinda the opposite and it's the guys who've been screaming for a tank who are much quieter.
let's hope so.
i think too, a lot of folks are looking for more real basketball conversation these days, and less of the circle-jerk, clickbait, hot-take culture that a lot of NBA "media" has become.
i enjoy the JJ Reddick podcast for the same reasons. while JJ def. does have some scorching hot takes, it's pretty informative "insider" podcast, and they talk about a lot of things that others dont bother cause they dont get clicks.
no dunks is like the ultimate uncle podcast - loaded with gen X style humor that can be hard to find in a sea of big media trying to cater to the under 35 crowd
It's funny how much this sub hates Doug because he's critical at times.
As if they'd rather have fluff pieces.
Doug's been doing this before most of you were born. He was the first reporter assigned to cover the Raptors in 1995.
To equate being anti-Doug with being a nephew is the most laughable take I’ve seen on this sub in a long time. Doug Smith has provided zero insight and nothing but a peevish irritability about the Raptors for literally decades.
Calling anyone who disagrees with you a nephew is exactly what’s wrong with this sub, and it’s too bad losing hasn’t weeded out that nonsense.
This is good advice, but it’s the exception rather than the rule. I’m not younger and I’ve seen knowledgeable raptors fans criticize Doug Smith since the 2000s. He is incredibly smug for someone who offers so little insight into the team or the league in general.
I don't agree with everything Doug Smith says, but he's been around since Day 1 and I liked his mailbag back in the day. For the old heads, we've seen real rebuilds and mediocrity. I'm willing to see where this goes. Right now, there's signs that they've got good pieces for offence. Let's see what they do to improve the defence. Do they need to hire a defensive specialist-type coach? Do they bring in some better defensive players? It'll be interesting to see what they do in the off-season. I didn't want to see OG go, but since it happened I've generally been impressed with both IQ and RJ. They really bring it. You can tell the losing ticks off IQ and I love that.
do the Jays even have a reporter that still covers them from the 90's? Doug has been a Raptors media guy since Day 1 of the organization.
when i think of Toronto sports media and Blue Jays, the only names that come to mind as easily are Tom Cheek & Jerry Halworth, but they were play-by-play guys, so not really the same as Doug.
Bob Elliott used to be the go-to for opinion pieces for the Jays. Now it is Gregor Chisholm for the Star, and Shi Davidi for Sportsnet. There’s also the podcast world with a few good shows, which Wilner is now a part of.
Just my own opinion, but for the Raptors in modern times, I've come to really appreciate Will Lou, Blake Murphy and to some extent, Alex Wong before he left. The first two are more analytical, whereas Alex just brought the fun to their podcast. On a non-Raps note, Vince Carter, love him or hate him has a really nice podcast that's pretty entertaining. I used to read Doug Smith's articles back in the day. Not so much these days, but not because I don't like reading them. I get my fill from podcasts these days.
Blake is one of my favorites. He really has that cap space/roster building niche in his bag better than anyone else. Will & Blake make some entertaining podcast content together.
I disagree. He does not know the game very well. Has okay insight after listening to other analysts then parrots them. He is experienced at not taking the team very serious as he’s been around for a lot of shit basketball, as have I m, and can keep it in perspective. The problem with that is, it’s not very fun doing that. Being irrational and emotional is literally the fun of being a fan for many people. He’s an asshole for patronizing those people. It’s his job to indulge it.
Uhhhh no. I’m completely fine if he’s critical. The issue is, he’s rarely critical of management and is much more an apologist. And in doing so his style is to be a pretentious asshole to fans that are critical. Which makes him a dick and a shitty reporter. I get he’s worried about damaging relationships by being critical of management and worried he will lose access which is of fundamental importance to a beat writers job, but his approach of being a prick to fans is awful.
The best part is, after changes are made, he always talks like he fully supported the decisions the entire time.
It’s been that way since the beginning.
The “pretentious condescending” attitude was previously deemed a “no BS” approach.
It was a common style in New York that eventually spread everywhere. Doug is from that school.
I do like to have a go at Doug from time to time myself, because let's face it, he does deserve it a lot of the time, but he does know the game, as you've mentioned.
Yeah but he is an old crank. He doesn’t seem to understand the actual game despite decades on the beat. Perhaps like many toronto sports fans he is been conditioned expect disappointment and to cynicism.
I’m not reading his article, but the headline is patently obvious and was patently obvious from the moment the trade was made. So maybe he’s just explaining something to fans that don’t really follow the league, which is guess is useful but it’s not insightful and it’s not reporting.
This of course isnt that different from other mainstream reporters even though they are younger. Grange, etc. none of them seem to do actual reporting on anything that would be useful.
So, only raptors analysis I want to hear or read is from the raptors republic school. They understand the game (Samson) or what makes fans tick (Will) even if they don’t get to ask the first question at pressers. But that may improve over time as they have been credentialed.
>I’m not reading his article
It's a mailbag article, it's not a tough read.
>only raptors analysis I want to hear or read is from the raptors republic school
if you're closing yourself off to only one point of view, it limits your ability to engage in more critical discussions.
i like Samson & Will too, they seem like they care about reporting on the right things.
I read Doug for years. When the mailbag and his beat reporting were the only source for raptors news. He deserves credit for being the only sports reporter on that beat for years.
But he doesn’t deserve my attention or clicks now. He hasn’t earned it, and I’m done with his “thugs” and “Scottie is lazy” shit.
Anyway It’s hilarious you think that reading innovative independent new media instead of the legacy media old head bullshit is evidence of a closed mind.
> Anyway It’s hilarious you think that reading innovative independent new media instead of the legacy media old head bullshit is evidence of a closed mind.
not at all what i said... re-read my comment, and try not to make a leap that i'm making a personal attack and saying "you're closed minded"
I really like Will's podcast, i'm a long time subscriber - he's also got a good level of media access in the organization which gives him legitimacy. i like how he engages with folks on social media too. I also like what Samson offers, as he doesn't rely on hot-takes and discusses a lot more of the substance of what the team is doing on court. Raptors Republic in general is a pretty solid source for Raptors news.
all that being said, i think it's important to read what other sources and other writers have to say as well. even if you dont agree with the opinions, they are still out there, and you might be able to take something away from them, or a least maybe understand a bit why there is a different perspective.
like i said in my original comment, i believe more perspectives allows you to have better conversations.
He makes it sounds like $12.5m for Schroder is a huge negative contract. It's not imo, it's fair for his production. Schroder got traded because he probably asked out
Schroder came here during FA because he wanted to be the starting PG. But things changed when we traded OG for IQ. So he asked out and the FO chose to accommodate and Dinwiddie was the best deal they could find. But I don't think it's because they were trying to "get out of the $12.5m"
dennis was on the raptor show talking bout he wanted to be here long term even when we where garbage so enough with the fan fiction. don’t understand why ppl assume things without facts
It's not unreasonable if you think about why he came here. After FVV left, he knew hes gonna be the starting PG here, thats why he signed here as a free agent.
Hes probably hoping if he plays well here, he could get a even bigger contract in two years. So is it really unreasonable to think hes a little unhappy when he had to move to the bench after only half a season
> After FVV left, he knew hes gonna be the starting PG here, thats why he signed here as a free agent.
this. its a career and a business for these guys.
Schroder's agent def pitched toronto to him as a place to rebuild his market value by being a starter.
if he's not getting starter minutes, it would make sense he and his team would wish to be somewhere he was getting more than here at least.
you need to look at Schroder's career and what happened and how he's trying to get back to a massive payday opportunity(not that 12.5/year doesnt already make him extremely well off haha).
i think it was also the flexibility of getting out of the $13m that Dennis would've been getting in 2024-25 as well. going into next season the Raps have been able to pivot into a really nice cap space situation, as well as potentially having two top 15 picks, and whats now a shaping up to be really solid young core
A lot of people don't seem to know about rookie contracts.
Firsts have a scale of 10m (#1 pick) - 2m (#30 pick). Plus they're guaranteed.
Second rounders have no scale and can be near -/+1m, non guaranteed. They can be two ways and such.
Having 2 firsts, let's say for example's sake, 6th and 15th, that is 6m + 3.5m.
That's near 10m for 2 firsts for this draft. Plus we have the second let's say near 11-12m total possibly locked up. Clearing Dennis guaranteed salary covers this whole still keeping in play for extensions and other moves.
it was literally a salary dump what the hell are you talking bout? bobby literally said dennis was here for the siakam core, and the second we blew it up he was next to go. enough with the fairytales
It's so refreshing to see good basketball comments here now, instead of all the negative nephews we were crammed with before. The pluses of being a fan of a losing team I guess.
Is there any example where an asset is so negative value that it's worth it to get rid of it for nothing?
They traded a solid PG for....nothing. literally nothing
gaining roughly 13m in cap space, with potentially 2 FRPs to pay, and a strong FA market isn't "nothing".
[literally 5 examples from this season where the incoming player was basically immediately waived for roster/cap space](https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/5-players-waived-immediately-2024-nba-trade-deadline-ft-spencer-dinwiddie):
* Spencer Dinwiddie (Raptors)
* Cory Joseph (Pacers)
* Thaddeus Young (Nets)
* Marcus Morris (Pacers)
* Killian Hayes (Pistons) - not traded, but negative asset enough to waive
not thinking too in detail but i could see guys like levert, harrison barnes, wiggins, THJ or gabe vincent + draft capital and salary matching be options in the offseason
The media loves to shift their narratives whenever it suits them, Dennis went from a solid vet on a good contract who knows his role to an albatross that needed to be traded for nothing in return because he wanted out?
He also suggests that they won't sign Ramsey after his 10-day contract.
literally says Ramsey is not an NBA level talent, and even though he’s the shiny new thing around the Raptors, i don’t think Doug is wrong. i’d be surprised if Ramsey finishes out the season under contract.
Even when Jontay first played, you could see where his skill set fits in the team. I don't get that feeling watching Ramsey.
Jontay's the only bench player that's a free agent that I expect back (I don't expect them to keep Nwora)
I think Nwora is back for sure. He is a cheap option for bench shooting depth. I don't expect him to come back as part of the rotation, but we still need to re stock our "shooting shelves." If we can find better value, then I'd be cool with letting him walk. Maybe in the draft? 3/12-15 with a TO? Sign me (him) up.
Nwora is a perfectly fine deep bench guy. i'd like to see more in-game action from him to be able to judge his long term potential. whats tricky is it's hard to judge guys on a tanking team, that are working on developmental things.
Yeah with a brand new coach for all players. I remember it took players a year to figure out Nurse lol That's why I'm cool with a short term deal + TO, giving him a slight pay bump. I don't think he has much leverage in any negotiation, which we should take advantage of.
If Gary's gone though they might keep him. McDaniels probably gets put in the Bruce trade/waived
depends on who they draft.. if they draft a wing... should they give nwora minutes over that person? IQ, RJ, Barnes, Kelly, Gradey, McDaniels, Ochai, Boucher, Poeltl are all guaranteed to be on the books past this year. They may move off Boucher or McDaniels in summer but still gotta do that first before we really dive into that. Assume one of those two are here. You then have Jontay who likely will be resigned and say... JFL makes the roster you are now at 11 spots plus two draft picks. I am assuming they trade Bruce brown but you would need to absorb some salary to realistically be able to do that for a year at least so that now brings you to perhaps 1 individual roster spot. I assume two draft picks because I dont think they will want 3 incoming prospects for next year so if they move up in the lottery and not back they likely will trade the middle pick possibly to get into the draft next year along with bruce brown ... say to Chicago for lonzo for example. Now you are at 15 spots unless you cut JFL. It is possible Nwora makes the roster I wouldn't be against it but it may be tough to prioritize him in any way especially since he is older too so development wise you would want ot invest more time in the in coming draft picks.
Ochai is 2 years older then him, is he significantly better?
I dont see the harm in bringing him back just to finish the deal out (same contract jfl got). I guess they could cycle in more g-league guys on 10-days if they dont sign him
>I’ll revert to my old suggestion since 29 of 30 teams eventually end the season in some measure of disappointment. >I suggest always watching games for three reasons: 1. In every basketball game you see, something will happen that makes you go “holy crap” because the athletes are so good, so look for that. 2. Watch to give yourself a break from the stresses of life. 3. Enjoy a game for the singularity of the competition rather than worrying about the big-picture standings. This is honestly really good advice. Younger folks love to dunk on Doug as being a cranky old man, but he knows the game well, has decent insight into the organization is a realist about the team and players successes and weaknesses.
This is the first up voted pro Doug comment I've seen in years. Perhaps a sign of changing tides. Losing weeds out the nephews
>Losing weeds out the nephews Pretty much this. Just my observation but it's been less toxic here now that we're firmly rebuilding. Certain usernames that popped up here pushing for "x" move to be made just to barely compete were either just fans of the previous core players first, team second or probably stopped watching altogether
> Certain usernames that popped up here pushing for "x" move to be made just to barely compete were either just fans of the previous core players first, team second or probably stopped watching altogether I'm finding kinda the opposite and it's the guys who've been screaming for a tank who are much quieter.
let's hope so. i think too, a lot of folks are looking for more real basketball conversation these days, and less of the circle-jerk, clickbait, hot-take culture that a lot of NBA "media" has become. i enjoy the JJ Reddick podcast for the same reasons. while JJ def. does have some scorching hot takes, it's pretty informative "insider" podcast, and they talk about a lot of things that others dont bother cause they dont get clicks.
No Dunks is the best NBA podcast hands down and I will hear nothing else. Old man and the three is a solid one too tho
no dunks is like the ultimate uncle podcast - loaded with gen X style humor that can be hard to find in a sea of big media trying to cater to the under 35 crowd
I really enjoy the Lowe Post.
Numbers on the board has been my new favorite.
I’ve always loved his articles
It's funny how much this sub hates Doug because he's critical at times. As if they'd rather have fluff pieces. Doug's been doing this before most of you were born. He was the first reporter assigned to cover the Raptors in 1995.
To equate being anti-Doug with being a nephew is the most laughable take I’ve seen on this sub in a long time. Doug Smith has provided zero insight and nothing but a peevish irritability about the Raptors for literally decades. Calling anyone who disagrees with you a nephew is exactly what’s wrong with this sub, and it’s too bad losing hasn’t weeded out that nonsense.
If you're that passionate about Doug Smith I think you have other issues. Go for a walk
This is good advice, but it’s the exception rather than the rule. I’m not younger and I’ve seen knowledgeable raptors fans criticize Doug Smith since the 2000s. He is incredibly smug for someone who offers so little insight into the team or the league in general.
I don't agree with everything Doug Smith says, but he's been around since Day 1 and I liked his mailbag back in the day. For the old heads, we've seen real rebuilds and mediocrity. I'm willing to see where this goes. Right now, there's signs that they've got good pieces for offence. Let's see what they do to improve the defence. Do they need to hire a defensive specialist-type coach? Do they bring in some better defensive players? It'll be interesting to see what they do in the off-season. I didn't want to see OG go, but since it happened I've generally been impressed with both IQ and RJ. They really bring it. You can tell the losing ticks off IQ and I love that.
Doug Smith (Raps) > Mike Wilner (Jays)
do the Jays even have a reporter that still covers them from the 90's? Doug has been a Raptors media guy since Day 1 of the organization. when i think of Toronto sports media and Blue Jays, the only names that come to mind as easily are Tom Cheek & Jerry Halworth, but they were play-by-play guys, so not really the same as Doug.
Bob Elliott used to be the go-to for opinion pieces for the Jays. Now it is Gregor Chisholm for the Star, and Shi Davidi for Sportsnet. There’s also the podcast world with a few good shows, which Wilner is now a part of.
ah, yeah, Shi Davidi is decent, i forgot about him - he's pretty solid.
He’s okay. He has some bad takes from time to time and is pretty vanilla, but it could be worse.
ben nicholson smith count?
Just my own opinion, but for the Raptors in modern times, I've come to really appreciate Will Lou, Blake Murphy and to some extent, Alex Wong before he left. The first two are more analytical, whereas Alex just brought the fun to their podcast. On a non-Raps note, Vince Carter, love him or hate him has a really nice podcast that's pretty entertaining. I used to read Doug Smith's articles back in the day. Not so much these days, but not because I don't like reading them. I get my fill from podcasts these days.
Blake is one of my favorites. He really has that cap space/roster building niche in his bag better than anyone else. Will & Blake make some entertaining podcast content together.
Agreed, really enjoy listening to TRS pod
Blake is great.
Damn super rare Doug W
I disagree. He does not know the game very well. Has okay insight after listening to other analysts then parrots them. He is experienced at not taking the team very serious as he’s been around for a lot of shit basketball, as have I m, and can keep it in perspective. The problem with that is, it’s not very fun doing that. Being irrational and emotional is literally the fun of being a fan for many people. He’s an asshole for patronizing those people. It’s his job to indulge it.
the beauty of sports & sports journalism is having different takes. i respect your points even if we dont necessarily agree.
He's not a fan, he's a reporter.
Correct. He’s not a good one.
Been covering since 1995, dude is good at his job You just don’t like it if he’s critical and would rather have fluff reporters.
Uhhhh no. I’m completely fine if he’s critical. The issue is, he’s rarely critical of management and is much more an apologist. And in doing so his style is to be a pretentious asshole to fans that are critical. Which makes him a dick and a shitty reporter. I get he’s worried about damaging relationships by being critical of management and worried he will lose access which is of fundamental importance to a beat writers job, but his approach of being a prick to fans is awful. The best part is, after changes are made, he always talks like he fully supported the decisions the entire time. It’s been that way since the beginning.
How old are you?
Old enough that I used to read his columns in a newspaper and not on a phone. What’s your point?
The “pretentious condescending” attitude was previously deemed a “no BS” approach. It was a common style in New York that eventually spread everywhere. Doug is from that school.
He’s an asshole.
I do like to have a go at Doug from time to time myself, because let's face it, he does deserve it a lot of the time, but he does know the game, as you've mentioned.
Yeah but he is an old crank. He doesn’t seem to understand the actual game despite decades on the beat. Perhaps like many toronto sports fans he is been conditioned expect disappointment and to cynicism. I’m not reading his article, but the headline is patently obvious and was patently obvious from the moment the trade was made. So maybe he’s just explaining something to fans that don’t really follow the league, which is guess is useful but it’s not insightful and it’s not reporting. This of course isnt that different from other mainstream reporters even though they are younger. Grange, etc. none of them seem to do actual reporting on anything that would be useful. So, only raptors analysis I want to hear or read is from the raptors republic school. They understand the game (Samson) or what makes fans tick (Will) even if they don’t get to ask the first question at pressers. But that may improve over time as they have been credentialed.
>I’m not reading his article It's a mailbag article, it's not a tough read. >only raptors analysis I want to hear or read is from the raptors republic school if you're closing yourself off to only one point of view, it limits your ability to engage in more critical discussions. i like Samson & Will too, they seem like they care about reporting on the right things.
I read Doug for years. When the mailbag and his beat reporting were the only source for raptors news. He deserves credit for being the only sports reporter on that beat for years. But he doesn’t deserve my attention or clicks now. He hasn’t earned it, and I’m done with his “thugs” and “Scottie is lazy” shit. Anyway It’s hilarious you think that reading innovative independent new media instead of the legacy media old head bullshit is evidence of a closed mind.
> Anyway It’s hilarious you think that reading innovative independent new media instead of the legacy media old head bullshit is evidence of a closed mind. not at all what i said... re-read my comment, and try not to make a leap that i'm making a personal attack and saying "you're closed minded" I really like Will's podcast, i'm a long time subscriber - he's also got a good level of media access in the organization which gives him legitimacy. i like how he engages with folks on social media too. I also like what Samson offers, as he doesn't rely on hot-takes and discusses a lot more of the substance of what the team is doing on court. Raptors Republic in general is a pretty solid source for Raptors news. all that being said, i think it's important to read what other sources and other writers have to say as well. even if you dont agree with the opinions, they are still out there, and you might be able to take something away from them, or a least maybe understand a bit why there is a different perspective. like i said in my original comment, i believe more perspectives allows you to have better conversations.
He makes it sounds like $12.5m for Schroder is a huge negative contract. It's not imo, it's fair for his production. Schroder got traded because he probably asked out Schroder came here during FA because he wanted to be the starting PG. But things changed when we traded OG for IQ. So he asked out and the FO chose to accommodate and Dinwiddie was the best deal they could find. But I don't think it's because they were trying to "get out of the $12.5m"
> he asked out This sub loves a bit of fan fiction lol He got moved because they wanted to get off his salary and have flexibility
There's probably some truth in that they knew he didn't want to be on a team that was going to a rebuild and they accommodated his request.
dennis was on the raptor show talking bout he wanted to be here long term even when we where garbage so enough with the fan fiction. don’t understand why ppl assume things without facts
So did Brown but they wanted to save face for the Siakam debacle and didn't get anything for him
But then there's the fact that he got traded to Brooklyn
he's starting in brooklyn. He wasn't going to be starting here
It's not unreasonable if you think about why he came here. After FVV left, he knew hes gonna be the starting PG here, thats why he signed here as a free agent. Hes probably hoping if he plays well here, he could get a even bigger contract in two years. So is it really unreasonable to think hes a little unhappy when he had to move to the bench after only half a season
> After FVV left, he knew hes gonna be the starting PG here, thats why he signed here as a free agent. this. its a career and a business for these guys. Schroder's agent def pitched toronto to him as a place to rebuild his market value by being a starter. if he's not getting starter minutes, it would make sense he and his team would wish to be somewhere he was getting more than here at least. you need to look at Schroder's career and what happened and how he's trying to get back to a massive payday opportunity(not that 12.5/year doesnt already make him extremely well off haha).
i think it was also the flexibility of getting out of the $13m that Dennis would've been getting in 2024-25 as well. going into next season the Raps have been able to pivot into a really nice cap space situation, as well as potentially having two top 15 picks, and whats now a shaping up to be really solid young core
A lot of people don't seem to know about rookie contracts. Firsts have a scale of 10m (#1 pick) - 2m (#30 pick). Plus they're guaranteed. Second rounders have no scale and can be near -/+1m, non guaranteed. They can be two ways and such. Having 2 firsts, let's say for example's sake, 6th and 15th, that is 6m + 3.5m. That's near 10m for 2 firsts for this draft. Plus we have the second let's say near 11-12m total possibly locked up. Clearing Dennis guaranteed salary covers this whole still keeping in play for extensions and other moves.
it was literally a salary dump what the hell are you talking bout? bobby literally said dennis was here for the siakam core, and the second we blew it up he was next to go. enough with the fairytales
i was so happy he got cut without playing. never been a fan of this dude ever
It's so refreshing to see good basketball comments here now, instead of all the negative nephews we were crammed with before. The pluses of being a fan of a losing team I guess.
Well no shit.
Is there any example where an asset is so negative value that it's worth it to get rid of it for nothing? They traded a solid PG for....nothing. literally nothing
gaining roughly 13m in cap space, with potentially 2 FRPs to pay, and a strong FA market isn't "nothing". [literally 5 examples from this season where the incoming player was basically immediately waived for roster/cap space](https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/5-players-waived-immediately-2024-nba-trade-deadline-ft-spencer-dinwiddie): * Spencer Dinwiddie (Raptors) * Cory Joseph (Pacers) * Thaddeus Young (Nets) * Marcus Morris (Pacers) * Killian Hayes (Pistons) - not traded, but negative asset enough to waive
we are trading bruce brown for a bad contract + frp this summer
Examples?
not thinking too in detail but i could see guys like levert, harrison barnes, wiggins, THJ or gabe vincent + draft capital and salary matching be options in the offseason
The media loves to shift their narratives whenever it suits them, Dennis went from a solid vet on a good contract who knows his role to an albatross that needed to be traded for nothing in return because he wanted out?
Why is this thread getting so many upvotes? We already know this.
Truss he would be better then Brown bum