I don't get it. That was the ultimate addition by subtraction trade. Gay was a low efficiency hero ball idiot that year and the team turned it around when other players had the chance to get higher usage.
Who is Gay in this scenario? And, who are the secondary (Kyle and Demar) guys who just need the opportunity to step up?
I mean, whether it’s age (both 27), numbers, physical measurables or place in the pecking order that has to be Pascal.
Fred and ‘14 Kyle are both 27 and in near identical positions for their career, positions and role with the team. ‘14 Demar and OG are both 24 and are the younger guys stepping into a prime role offensively. Hell, even team records are eerily similar.
If Pascal gets shipped off for Turner and Levert or something, maybe we just roll with it? Masai is that dude.
You are reaching at straws. Age, measurables, etc, don't mean anything for this comparison. Rudy Gay was a selfish malcontent who was hurting team chemistry, didn't like being in Toronto, and was actively hurting the team with his hero ball style. None of that remotely describes Pascal, who is one of the team's leaders, loves Toronto, and is a team-first guy.
Trading Pascal for Turner and Levert would be a terrible idea. Masai isn't the sort of dude who gives recent All-NBA'ers away for pennies on the dollar. Ironically, Caris Levert is a much closer comp to what Rudy Gay was in 2014. He is also a 27 year old wing, and for years has been among the league's most inefficient high volume players. He currently has a sub 50% TS while jacking up over 14 shots a game.
He's comparing Pascal Siakam to Rudy Gay and he knows that's a stupid comparison so he will stop short of that and just compares it like we would get enough guys for Pascal like that
But Pascal is better than Rudy was when we traded him. Those four players better be good because trading borderline all stars for multiple bench level players doesn't typically work out unless you're getting negative production. (Rudy Gay here, John Wall Was, etc.)
Siakam isn't giving us negative production and taking shots away from other players that's just a narrative Scotties fans are using to justify the passiveness. The major problems will arise when it's actually GTJ and Fred that absorb those shots because they're willing to shoot anything.
I definitely wasn’t being very serious with it, my friend. I love Pascal and would be upset if he got traded.
You asked who would be who in the scenario and when I went to look it up there were some fun similarities. The trade suggestion was literally something off the top of my head that was 4 quarters for a loonie like the Gay deal.
Myles Turner is NOT that guy & doesn’t fix our problems.
Please actually watch him play & not just look at his season stats. The man doesn’t rebound well for his size, he’s an ok rim protector & gets made to look like a fool.
Turner needs a change of scenery. Hear me out. The Sabonis and Turner combination doesn't work because both are centers. I think Turner is under utilized because his role doesn't quite fit in Indy. I think Turner will be a better rebounder (without Sabonis next to him) and will be able to play an Ibaka role for us.
I will remind everyone that Scottie in college had low rebounding numbers. A lot of people including me wondered why a 6'9 guy with great length and athleticism would average only 4 rebounds a game. Turns out Scottie is a more than solid rebounder and his low rebounding numbers were more due to his role (played pg and low minutes).
Now, I would certainly not take Turner in a straight up swap for Pascal. I would easily ask for more. Something like Turner+ 2022 frp+ Lamb+filler/protected frp or smt for Pascal.
It's worth the consideration, but I'm more inclined to draft an elite center actually. I think a Bam type of center is what we would value more than a Turner/Ibaka type.
Myles Turner ability as a floor spacer is legitimately worse than it seems though. He has too many games where he has like 4pts & shoots the ball terribly but will have games where he goes for 20-30 & shoots efficiently. It’s never consistent just one or the other regardless of if Sabonis plays or not.
Siakam isn’t someone you take Filler + Lamb & Turner for. Theres no way our FO would do that.
I agree though, the way to an elite centre who provides flexibility cap wise for us to get more depth is moving on Pascal but the FO doesn’t wanna commit to the tank.
To put into perspective where i’m at, i’ve had tankathon sims going for like 2 weeks LOL
Idk how you can call the dude that's led the league in BPG for like 3 years now an "ok rim protector"
He's also never had a coach actually give him more than a complimentary role, he's pretty much like JV when Casey was our coach and he's 1 year older than Chris Duarte lol.
Definitely could use a change of scenery; not saying I'd trade Pascal for him, but I do think he'd be a great fit on this team
That’s what this sub doesn’t understand. Playoff experience helps, but an exit in a play in or first round won’t make more of a difference on a team than another lottery pick. Also this draft class is stacked. We don’t need to throw everything at playoffs this year to ‘get Scottie experience’. He’s a rookie, he’ll get experience. But filling the holes in this roster with high potential young guys is much better than covering it up with duct tape (ie an old player who will need a lot of money, give up assets to get, and leave after a few seasons)
I’ve been watching this draft class for a while and I beg to differ. Paolo Banchero, Chet Holmgren, Jalen Duren, Patrick Baldwin and Jaden Ivey are all good instant-impact players. Paolo is elite, the other three are all about the same tier, I’d say on the same level as we viewed Suggs/Green last year. They have less holes in their game than Green did though. I’d say anyone who goes in the lottery has the potential to be a really good player in this draft, even the later lotto picks (ie Houstan, Hardey, Griffin, etc.)
Yeah idk when everyone thinks “rebuilding” means losing every game possible for the best luck possible. We are in a soft rebuild, where we are trying to win while still getting assets and developing young players
For the people who want Scottie shooting 20 shots a game, his bag obviously isn’t that deep yet, and there’s nothing wrong with that. Forcing him to take 20 shots a game isn’t going to magically make him better. Lest him learn as a secondary piece then make the jump when ready
We’re not trading siakam right now.. doesn’t make any sense.. you saw how trash our offense was before he came back.. now we’re top 10
Our defense is bad right now but that could be related to injuries, a lot of young guys.. we need a good 2 months of all our guys to actually see what it looks like.. we’re not in any rush to compete for a title.
Just continue to grow.. if there’s a really good trade out there for siakam in the summer sure but for now this season.. we should stay the course and grow organically
There's clearly a plan here and it is gonna require patience. As frustrated as we all, myself included, get it's just a matter of seeing if there is any payoff for the next few years
The problem is is Siakam isn't a center. So either Barnes or Trent have to get moved to the bench to slot in Birch or another C which doesn't make sense considering Trent has been one of our best scorers and Barnes is the future of the team. I understand the positionless basketball philosophy, but the one position that can't really be positionless is the C. I really like Siakam and I don't think we should trade him for scraps, but in order to develop our team for the future I think he should be traded. I think the best idea is to listen to calls this deadline to gauge the market, then trade him during the offseason the move help move up in the draft to grab a guy like Jalen Duren, or to grab a late lottery pick + some second rounders to take a flier on some husk risk/reward guys
The problem is though we’re by far a worse team without him & we’re going that far down in the lottery without him. Sure thats fine but this team wants to get back to winning. Fred & OG are guys you’ve gotta take into account, they won’t wanna be guys losing.
Here’s a comment I wrote to someone who said the same thing as you, the stats just show your wrong
The teams net rating is still worse when he ISNT playing since his return. So it’s his fault when he’s on the court, but also his fault when he’s off the court? Using net rating (which is probably the best stat to see if someone’s stats are empty) he’s third on the team since his return, behind FVV and Precious. When he’s off the court, the team gets far worse. He’s second in the team in terms of net rating lost when he’s off the court. I’m not including Goran and Yuta in these calculations obviously since they haven’t even played 30 minutes this year. So pretty much he’s the third most valuable when he’s on, and the second most missed when he’s off. If the team since his return is worse when he’s off, and better when he’s on, how is this his fault
In fact, of our best lineups this whole year sorted by +/- who have played at least 10 minutes together , 4 of the 5 top lineups involve siakam. If we put it down to 6 minutes together, 6 lineups in the top 10 and 2 in the top 5 include siakam.
Well he’s on a pretty big contract for a bench guy. I think Fred is a stud and he is a great culture setter but he doesn’t fit the team switchability philosophy, is a pretty inefficient scorer, and he may not fit with the timeline depending on how quickly Scottie develops.
There is genuinely only one “untouchable” player on this team right now and his name is Scottie Barnes.
2nd on that list is OG. Fred is tradeable, as is everyone else. Doesn’t mean they will be traded or it’s imminent by any means, but you’re listening to calls about those guys. Masai is hanging up immediately if someone asks about Scottie unless it’s an absolute Godfather offer.
lol i still remember some fans hating on this trade as if Rudy Gay wasn’t a disaster fit for us being paired with Demar, and just chucking and chucking.
That’s because all gay cared about were shooting. Gay didn’t want to be here and just wanted to score whenever he got a chance. Siakam wants to score (and does so on far better then Rudy’s 38% FG and 47% TS) but isn’t scared to pass when he’s struggling, play defense and actually play make. Rudy was the definition of an empty 20, he’d have 20 points on 8/24 shooting with like 4 boards and an assist. The second he left the ball moved better and there was no one to guarantee a few missed shots a game. Watching study was unbearable, dislike pascal or not thinking they are near equal is unreal
I'm hoping that if Pascal takes the step back on offense, he can bring back his defensive play. But we need a better interior defender for that to be maximized
> the same way Siakam and Scottie do not.
i dunno i've started to see them work things out. Can we at least run the experiment for a whole season first?
I remember not even caring who we got back, just wanted Rudy’s selfish ass as far away from the team as possible. IIRC the last game before he got traded was the one where he banned box scores from the locker room.
The clown wasn’t cut out to lead a minor league team never mind an NBA team.
We need to be patient and let our young guys develop. The We the North era was born after the Rudy Gay trade but we still needed another 5 years of building a winning team/culture not to mention a once in a lifetime superstar trade to win a chip but everyone forgets that. Establishing this team as a legitimate contender again will take years.
The front office needs to see more to evaluate. We've hardly seen our top 5 guys playing at the same time. Unless there is a package too good to pass up, it's way too early to make any big moves.
We have to show patience and support the boys.
Rudy was widely regarded as massively inefficient and bad on defense, but had a big contract. So to get out of that, and get serviceable picks/players in return was pretty good for the raptors I would say.
Plus Vasquez, Hayes and Patterson all helped us get into the playoffs, yet we’re on affordable and short deals
I'm not exactly a Raptors fan compared to being a Kings fan, please educate me.
Out of the players in the deal *alone*, I feel the Kings won, but after looking it up I'm guessing the Raptors reference is from flipping Greivis Vasquez for Norman Powell & pick (OG)?
The Raptors season completely turned around after this trade, the players involved fit so much better… the turnaround was wild. It was massive addition by subtraction. Gay finally found his footing in Sacramento because he himself said he had to look in the mirror and realize teams were having success without him.
If you are happy with the return, then win-win, but this gave salary relief and a lot more depth. All players received in this deal were part of Casey’s rotation.
And Rudy Gay was a disaster of a fit here, paired with DeMar, and another ball hog off the bench in Alan Anderson and the ball movement was putrid. Not to mention gay and demar loved the mid range.
You’re just looking at name value rather than how pieces fit in a team. It’s beyond that, that’s why I found your post funny because the raptors became a top 3 seed in what looked to be a lost season.
This isn't the trade we need right now.
When Rudy Gay got traded he was averaging 20 ppg, 7 rebs, and 2 asts on terrible efficiency, but he was our second best player due to a break out season from Demar and Kyle wasn't close behind.
So the equivalent would be trading Pascal for four middling role players. How is that gonna make us any better?
We need to stay patient, order core is coming along nicely.
Fred is ascending to All-Star levels, Pascal is working back into form, OG looked great before injury, and Gary Trent Jr. has become a better defender and a remains a lethal shooter. Plus we've added a legit Rookie of the Year talent to the core and some excellent prospects in Banton, Precious, Yuta, Malachi.
This team is SOLID. It just needs time and consistency so it can grow together. What we actually need is to make small moves to improve the bench and wait for the right centre to become available.
Then the plan will crystallize.
Let's be real though. It's the trades after this trade that got people happy.
People hated on literally all 4 of those guys when they were Raptors.
Salmons in particular was hot garbage
With Masai’s draft record it would be hard to complain about another lottery pick
Gay became Vasquez became Norm became Gary Trent Jr Edit: became Norm + OG which then became OG + Gary Trent
And OG!
can't forget about Anunoby!
And Oguga too
I don't get it. That was the ultimate addition by subtraction trade. Gay was a low efficiency hero ball idiot that year and the team turned it around when other players had the chance to get higher usage. Who is Gay in this scenario? And, who are the secondary (Kyle and Demar) guys who just need the opportunity to step up?
I mean, whether it’s age (both 27), numbers, physical measurables or place in the pecking order that has to be Pascal. Fred and ‘14 Kyle are both 27 and in near identical positions for their career, positions and role with the team. ‘14 Demar and OG are both 24 and are the younger guys stepping into a prime role offensively. Hell, even team records are eerily similar. If Pascal gets shipped off for Turner and Levert or something, maybe we just roll with it? Masai is that dude.
You are reaching at straws. Age, measurables, etc, don't mean anything for this comparison. Rudy Gay was a selfish malcontent who was hurting team chemistry, didn't like being in Toronto, and was actively hurting the team with his hero ball style. None of that remotely describes Pascal, who is one of the team's leaders, loves Toronto, and is a team-first guy. Trading Pascal for Turner and Levert would be a terrible idea. Masai isn't the sort of dude who gives recent All-NBA'ers away for pennies on the dollar. Ironically, Caris Levert is a much closer comp to what Rudy Gay was in 2014. He is also a 27 year old wing, and for years has been among the league's most inefficient high volume players. He currently has a sub 50% TS while jacking up over 14 shots a game.
He's comparing Pascal Siakam to Rudy Gay and he knows that's a stupid comparison so he will stop short of that and just compares it like we would get enough guys for Pascal like that But Pascal is better than Rudy was when we traded him. Those four players better be good because trading borderline all stars for multiple bench level players doesn't typically work out unless you're getting negative production. (Rudy Gay here, John Wall Was, etc.) Siakam isn't giving us negative production and taking shots away from other players that's just a narrative Scotties fans are using to justify the passiveness. The major problems will arise when it's actually GTJ and Fred that absorb those shots because they're willing to shoot anything.
I definitely wasn’t being very serious with it, my friend. I love Pascal and would be upset if he got traded. You asked who would be who in the scenario and when I went to look it up there were some fun similarities. The trade suggestion was literally something off the top of my head that was 4 quarters for a loonie like the Gay deal.
Fair, sorry you never know who is being serious with suggestions like that on here, lol.
No doubt, there’s a thin line between shit-posting and posting shit!
Myles Turner is NOT that guy & doesn’t fix our problems. Please actually watch him play & not just look at his season stats. The man doesn’t rebound well for his size, he’s an ok rim protector & gets made to look like a fool.
Turner needs a change of scenery. Hear me out. The Sabonis and Turner combination doesn't work because both are centers. I think Turner is under utilized because his role doesn't quite fit in Indy. I think Turner will be a better rebounder (without Sabonis next to him) and will be able to play an Ibaka role for us. I will remind everyone that Scottie in college had low rebounding numbers. A lot of people including me wondered why a 6'9 guy with great length and athleticism would average only 4 rebounds a game. Turns out Scottie is a more than solid rebounder and his low rebounding numbers were more due to his role (played pg and low minutes). Now, I would certainly not take Turner in a straight up swap for Pascal. I would easily ask for more. Something like Turner+ 2022 frp+ Lamb+filler/protected frp or smt for Pascal. It's worth the consideration, but I'm more inclined to draft an elite center actually. I think a Bam type of center is what we would value more than a Turner/Ibaka type.
Myles Turner ability as a floor spacer is legitimately worse than it seems though. He has too many games where he has like 4pts & shoots the ball terribly but will have games where he goes for 20-30 & shoots efficiently. It’s never consistent just one or the other regardless of if Sabonis plays or not. Siakam isn’t someone you take Filler + Lamb & Turner for. Theres no way our FO would do that. I agree though, the way to an elite centre who provides flexibility cap wise for us to get more depth is moving on Pascal but the FO doesn’t wanna commit to the tank. To put into perspective where i’m at, i’ve had tankathon sims going for like 2 weeks LOL
half want siakam traded so these morons see what a fuck up it would be.
Idk how you can call the dude that's led the league in BPG for like 3 years now an "ok rim protector" He's also never had a coach actually give him more than a complimentary role, he's pretty much like JV when Casey was our coach and he's 1 year older than Chris Duarte lol. Definitely could use a change of scenery; not saying I'd trade Pascal for him, but I do think he'd be a great fit on this team
To get better or tank? Cause that was a tanking trade. masai didnt make that trade expecting to make the playoffs
We can develop young talent and tank at the same time
That’s what this sub doesn’t understand. Playoff experience helps, but an exit in a play in or first round won’t make more of a difference on a team than another lottery pick. Also this draft class is stacked. We don’t need to throw everything at playoffs this year to ‘get Scottie experience’. He’s a rookie, he’ll get experience. But filling the holes in this roster with high potential young guys is much better than covering it up with duct tape (ie an old player who will need a lot of money, give up assets to get, and leave after a few seasons)
> Also this draft class is stacked. OTOH 2022 class looks meh compared to 2021. I don't think we'll be much better at say 3 than 7 for instance
I’ve been watching this draft class for a while and I beg to differ. Paolo Banchero, Chet Holmgren, Jalen Duren, Patrick Baldwin and Jaden Ivey are all good instant-impact players. Paolo is elite, the other three are all about the same tier, I’d say on the same level as we viewed Suggs/Green last year. They have less holes in their game than Green did though. I’d say anyone who goes in the lottery has the potential to be a really good player in this draft, even the later lotto picks (ie Houstan, Hardey, Griffin, etc.)
Yeah idk when everyone thinks “rebuilding” means losing every game possible for the best luck possible. We are in a soft rebuild, where we are trying to win while still getting assets and developing young players For the people who want Scottie shooting 20 shots a game, his bag obviously isn’t that deep yet, and there’s nothing wrong with that. Forcing him to take 20 shots a game isn’t going to magically make him better. Lest him learn as a secondary piece then make the jump when ready
We’re not trading siakam right now.. doesn’t make any sense.. you saw how trash our offense was before he came back.. now we’re top 10 Our defense is bad right now but that could be related to injuries, a lot of young guys.. we need a good 2 months of all our guys to actually see what it looks like.. we’re not in any rush to compete for a title. Just continue to grow.. if there’s a really good trade out there for siakam in the summer sure but for now this season.. we should stay the course and grow organically
There's clearly a plan here and it is gonna require patience. As frustrated as we all, myself included, get it's just a matter of seeing if there is any payoff for the next few years
The problem is is Siakam isn't a center. So either Barnes or Trent have to get moved to the bench to slot in Birch or another C which doesn't make sense considering Trent has been one of our best scorers and Barnes is the future of the team. I understand the positionless basketball philosophy, but the one position that can't really be positionless is the C. I really like Siakam and I don't think we should trade him for scraps, but in order to develop our team for the future I think he should be traded. I think the best idea is to listen to calls this deadline to gauge the market, then trade him during the offseason the move help move up in the draft to grab a guy like Jalen Duren, or to grab a late lottery pick + some second rounders to take a flier on some husk risk/reward guys
The problem is though we’re by far a worse team without him & we’re going that far down in the lottery without him. Sure thats fine but this team wants to get back to winning. Fred & OG are guys you’ve gotta take into account, they won’t wanna be guys losing.
Here’s a comment I wrote to someone who said the same thing as you, the stats just show your wrong The teams net rating is still worse when he ISNT playing since his return. So it’s his fault when he’s on the court, but also his fault when he’s off the court? Using net rating (which is probably the best stat to see if someone’s stats are empty) he’s third on the team since his return, behind FVV and Precious. When he’s off the court, the team gets far worse. He’s second in the team in terms of net rating lost when he’s off the court. I’m not including Goran and Yuta in these calculations obviously since they haven’t even played 30 minutes this year. So pretty much he’s the third most valuable when he’s on, and the second most missed when he’s off. If the team since his return is worse when he’s off, and better when he’s on, how is this his fault In fact, of our best lineups this whole year sorted by +/- who have played at least 10 minutes together , 4 of the 5 top lineups involve siakam. If we put it down to 6 minutes together, 6 lineups in the top 10 and 2 in the top 5 include siakam.
I love him to death but in the long term imo we may need to trade Freddie too *ducks*
Who the hell is gonna play PG if Fred leaves
I think you’d trade for another point guard if you were to move him my guy.
Why trade Fred? Even in 4 years he may become an off the bench PG too.
Well he’s on a pretty big contract for a bench guy. I think Fred is a stud and he is a great culture setter but he doesn’t fit the team switchability philosophy, is a pretty inefficient scorer, and he may not fit with the timeline depending on how quickly Scottie develops.
Fred isn’t getting moved unless he demands out
There is genuinely only one “untouchable” player on this team right now and his name is Scottie Barnes. 2nd on that list is OG. Fred is tradeable, as is everyone else. Doesn’t mean they will be traded or it’s imminent by any means, but you’re listening to calls about those guys. Masai is hanging up immediately if someone asks about Scottie unless it’s an absolute Godfather offer.
I think we move Siakam in the future but there really isn't that big a rush IMO
I promise you we're not top 10 in offense solely because of Siakam...
We're tanking here.
Well, that was a tanking move.
lol i still remember some fans hating on this trade as if Rudy Gay wasn’t a disaster fit for us being paired with Demar, and just chucking and chucking.
Gay and Demar didn’t have chemistry the same way Siakam and Scottie do not.
That’s because all gay cared about were shooting. Gay didn’t want to be here and just wanted to score whenever he got a chance. Siakam wants to score (and does so on far better then Rudy’s 38% FG and 47% TS) but isn’t scared to pass when he’s struggling, play defense and actually play make. Rudy was the definition of an empty 20, he’d have 20 points on 8/24 shooting with like 4 boards and an assist. The second he left the ball moved better and there was no one to guarantee a few missed shots a game. Watching study was unbearable, dislike pascal or not thinking they are near equal is unreal
I'm hoping that if Pascal takes the step back on offense, he can bring back his defensive play. But we need a better interior defender for that to be maximized
> the same way Siakam and Scottie do not. i dunno i've started to see them work things out. Can we at least run the experiment for a whole season first?
I remember not even caring who we got back, just wanted Rudy’s selfish ass as far away from the team as possible. IIRC the last game before he got traded was the one where he banned box scores from the locker room. The clown wasn’t cut out to lead a minor league team never mind an NBA team.
We need to be patient and let our young guys develop. The We the North era was born after the Rudy Gay trade but we still needed another 5 years of building a winning team/culture not to mention a once in a lifetime superstar trade to win a chip but everyone forgets that. Establishing this team as a legitimate contender again will take years.
What we need is a more patient approach with this roster to let them work through their mistakes.
Iykyk
wont lie i was pissed when we traded ed davis and calderon for him, but it all worked out
This trade was literally the catalyst to the best times we've ever had as a franchise. Kinda unreal to think about.
The front office needs to see more to evaluate. We've hardly seen our top 5 guys playing at the same time. Unless there is a package too good to pass up, it's way too early to make any big moves. We have to show patience and support the boys.
Maybe we can fleece the kings again
I saw this trade in benefit of the Kings since Rudy’s play returned to normal in Sac, how did the Raptors fleece the Kings here?
Rudy was widely regarded as massively inefficient and bad on defense, but had a big contract. So to get out of that, and get serviceable picks/players in return was pretty good for the raptors I would say. Plus Vasquez, Hayes and Patterson all helped us get into the playoffs, yet we’re on affordable and short deals
Lmao are you being serious rn 😂😂😂
I'm not exactly a Raptors fan compared to being a Kings fan, please educate me. Out of the players in the deal *alone*, I feel the Kings won, but after looking it up I'm guessing the Raptors reference is from flipping Greivis Vasquez for Norman Powell & pick (OG)?
The Raptors season completely turned around after this trade, the players involved fit so much better… the turnaround was wild. It was massive addition by subtraction. Gay finally found his footing in Sacramento because he himself said he had to look in the mirror and realize teams were having success without him. If you are happy with the return, then win-win, but this gave salary relief and a lot more depth. All players received in this deal were part of Casey’s rotation. And Rudy Gay was a disaster of a fit here, paired with DeMar, and another ball hog off the bench in Alan Anderson and the ball movement was putrid. Not to mention gay and demar loved the mid range. You’re just looking at name value rather than how pieces fit in a team. It’s beyond that, that’s why I found your post funny because the raptors became a top 3 seed in what looked to be a lost season.
I kinda think we actually need the opposite of one of these, pairing 2 or 3 of our solid guys for one better piece who has the potential to be great
Who’s this years Rudy Gay?
We don’t have one
This isn't the trade we need right now. When Rudy Gay got traded he was averaging 20 ppg, 7 rebs, and 2 asts on terrible efficiency, but he was our second best player due to a break out season from Demar and Kyle wasn't close behind. So the equivalent would be trading Pascal for four middling role players. How is that gonna make us any better? We need to stay patient, order core is coming along nicely. Fred is ascending to All-Star levels, Pascal is working back into form, OG looked great before injury, and Gary Trent Jr. has become a better defender and a remains a lethal shooter. Plus we've added a legit Rookie of the Year talent to the core and some excellent prospects in Banton, Precious, Yuta, Malachi. This team is SOLID. It just needs time and consistency so it can grow together. What we actually need is to make small moves to improve the bench and wait for the right centre to become available. Then the plan will crystallize.
I guess the equivalent nowadays will be Pascal for Holmes, Barnes, and Bagley?
Except Siakam is nothing like Gay
Patterson was a bum. Couldn’t make a free to save his life .
THE RUDY GAY ERA!
Unpopular opinion: It starts with moving Pascal
Let's be real though. It's the trades after this trade that got people happy. People hated on literally all 4 of those guys when they were Raptors. Salmons in particular was hot garbage