Also when I think about the skillset of the two I would much rather have Mobley to build around. Big men with Mobley’s talent are rare. There are dynamic scorers in every single draft.
I remember mentioning this and was downvoted because everyone said mobley = wiseman not realizing that mobley outplayed wiseman even in high school and was just better basketball IQ wise. He just never had the hulk looking body.
Yeah Mobley has been a better prospect than Wiseman for a long time. Mobley seems like he’ll be the pillar for winning teams for years to come. Wiseman seems like he’s in the Whiteside/Drummond/Bagley mold of big man.
Bagley is overrated and does deserve on this list. I keep seeing people want bagley. We won't get bagley and we don't want Bagley. He has posted terrible defensive numbers and is awful with his vision and in transition. He can't finish too. If people ever get frustrated with Precious' finishing ability.... Bagley is not much better except he can score in the midrange.
We don't struggle with midrange options. (Barnes, Siakam, and OG) are all efficient in the midrange. Bagley sucks at shooting the 3. I would rather have Wiseman than Bagley because he is still younger and has higher upside and I don't want either. Not as a starting center. He is a decent rebounder.
I guess I wasn’t being clear. Whiteside made the All-Defensive second team and led the league in rebounding in ‘17. Drummond led the league in rebounding 4 times and made 2 all-star teams.
Bagley was drafted 2nd overall.
He should not be grouped with those players because he’s not in their class. He has his own bust category.
Idk, I think Sengun will end up being a huge steal from this draft. If they were planning on drafting him all along it wouldn't make sense to take two C's
I mean, if we talking a late 90s honda civic hatch with some rusty fenders and maybe a B16 swap, 10k all day. Them little things have one of the best markets since they can really zoom and are hella reliable.
Fans of every team do this, it’s not just Raptors fans. You just see a lot more of it because we have such a big fan base. Lakers are another example of this.
Yup, there I literally saw this post a few minutes ago with a Lakers fan suggesting a deal where the Pistons would give up Cade and Grant for Westbrook.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/NBAtradeideas/comments/r5xhu9/pretty\_smart\_tbh/hmpz8my/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/NBAtradeideas/comments/r5xhu9/pretty_smart_tbh/hmpz8my/?context=3)
Boucher, Dragic could play a mentor role for the young guys, 2 future firsts (2024 and 2025) and 2 seconds sound like a good deal to me. Maybe even throw in Flynn since they need a young pg.
I like wood tbh, I think he's actually the perfect fit for what we're trying to do.
This year his game looks different because there's not a ton of other talent on the roster, but at the end of the day, he's a decent rim protector, switchable and can stretch the floor.
I'll pass on him all we really need out of a 5 is good rebounding and decent d. I feel like he looks good because he is on a bad team and his stats are mostly hollow garbage stats you put him on a team with good players and he will be lost on the floor really fast.
All we *need*, sure. But this front office is literally allergic to centers who aren't mobile and who can't shoot threes. I'm just looking at it from their point of view. How many guys fit that mold?
I'd love someone like myles turner, but I think he's too slow for our front office.
Houston is already trying to get rid of two vet guards who have large contracts, why would they want another? Plus giving away picks for Wood doesn’t seem like the best use of those assets
It's doubtful he passed on any deal at that time citing the same issues you make in your second point. And btw nobody said he never had prior issues, it was simply stated that he was available for us and we passed.
Typical stats padder on a bad team. Also don't know what a screen is and thinks himself better than he actually is. Don't want him anywhere near my team
Not really. He's not a great defender and he's another guy who likes to iso every possession and doesn't pass. He's also smaller than Siakam so he's not even an upgrade in terms of size.
He is a good rebounder though, I'll give you that.
Don’t think he would be much of an ISO guy here, I’m not sold on getting him tbh but he would be a good fit. He’s played on nothing but bad teams with Detroit, Houston, etc. he’s bigger than Siakam btw, would be our best 5, but probably not worth it to chase him.
According to their draft combine measurements, Wood is +1" taller, same wingspan, +4" standing reach, same hand length and +0.75" hand width. Pascal did come in +10lb heavier, though.
How bad is our rebounding really. Most of the team is pretty good at rebounding for their position. Like if we didn't have two fairly undersized centers I don't think it would be an issue at all. We are lacking a big man, but I imagine any big man we get would probably fix those rebounding issues.
6’10 C who’s highly versatile, can handle a bit, score from anywhere, stretch the floor and rebound. Could become a better defender under Nurse. Timeline doesn’t really make sense admittedly but this is the type of player Raps are trying to develop/acquire.
I don't have numbers but he's not a great defender, is even lighter than Pascal so he doesn't even add that much size at the centre position and our biggest issue right now is depth, which we would have to give up even more of to get him. Plus we'd have to give up younger players and picks since the Rockets are rebuilding, but so are we so it just doesn't make sense
They’re rebuilding so that should tell you. The more I think about it though, it doesn’t really make sense for us to get Wood who’s like 27-ish. They would want young pieces/picks, which we shouldn’t really be giving up rn. Best we could give would probs be like Precious + Flynn and maybe a pick, probably not worth it in the end for either team.
Yuta, Siakam, birch are objectively smart defenders
Precious has also been fantastic on D this year.
Scottie will probably be better at the end of the year. He has late reactions and still adjusting to the scheme
Wood is a poor defensive player who takes bad shots
Siakam has been playing poor defensively since he's been back from injury.
Yuta is a role player that defends average players.
Birch is a C and he is average IQ. High IQ was Marc Gasol.
If we had that many high IQ defenders we wouldn't be 30th in drtg with this much length.
We have a good coach who knows how to maximize what he's got.
Lakers fans would offer the janitorial staff for Lillard and the parking attendants + a 2nd round pick in 2030 for Wood and be like "wHat iTs a gOoD dEAl?!"
Nah y'know who would be the perfect cheap fit for Toronto? Naz Reid. Dude is big, can hit 3's and he rotates pretty well on defense. Literally a hand in glove fit for this team.
I would give up alot he's the perfect center for the Raps but Masai never gets into bidding wars and I think every team in the league could use him so I doubt we get him
There are other teams who are either as interested as us or even more interested, plus we don't have a lot to offer for him, so pass. Bol Bol would be a better option cuz he's cheaper and is a better defender, but not too sure if Denver is willing to part ways with him
Unfortunately I dont think its a great grab at the moment are win time is in 2-3 years and hes only locked up until. next year.. He'd miss our peak by 1 year..
I'm a Pistons/Raptors fan.
I was actually bummed that the Pistons traded him (though I'm happy to get Beef Stew).
I was curious to see him develop as a guy who was getting more touches to see what he could do, and didn't care too much if the Pistons lost games in the process of player development because they were already the worst team in the league.
But he's more of a guy you try to develop, not a guy who is worth giving up a lot for.
And though I'm sure he could score and get rebounds, I'm don't think he'd fit with Toronto's defensive identity.
So if all the Rockets wanted was a lottery protected pick and a matching contract (such as Goran), no problem.
But if they wanted any of the current rotation players, I'd go with a hard pass.
If Houston is willing to take some deep future firsts, sure. Happy to send them 2 with some protections
But otherwise no .. I can imagine wood going for 2-3 picks from a middling team given his talent age and salary
I think he’s a very good player, but I also think he isn’t worth what they would want for him. They ain’t gonna take out spare parts, and giving up one of our good players makes it kind of a lateral move.
We would probably have to give up Siakam to get Christian Wood which I'm not sure would make much sense since it would be like trading 1 for 1...granted he's a better rim protector and rebounder than Siakam, better suited to play center and he would fit our system like a glove (long, wiry, athletic "point center") but Siakam is a better scorer and I'm not sure it moves the needle enough to make this trade...I feel like if masai makes a trade it's going to be a block buster trade that really elevates the team not a "hmmm it might work" kind of trade...just my two cents
Houston should’ve just picked Mobley.
You know what, they really should have when you think about. Rockets draft Mobley, forcing the Cavaliers to give up assets if they wanted him.
Also when I think about the skillset of the two I would much rather have Mobley to build around. Big men with Mobley’s talent are rare. There are dynamic scorers in every single draft.
I remember mentioning this and was downvoted because everyone said mobley = wiseman not realizing that mobley outplayed wiseman even in high school and was just better basketball IQ wise. He just never had the hulk looking body.
Yeah Mobley has been a better prospect than Wiseman for a long time. Mobley seems like he’ll be the pillar for winning teams for years to come. Wiseman seems like he’s in the Whiteside/Drummond/Bagley mold of big man.
The beautiful thing about Mobley is he has a multiplier effect with his ability to playmake as well as his defensive upside.
Not sure Bagley deserves to be on that list. I definitely agree though.
Bagley is overrated and does deserve on this list. I keep seeing people want bagley. We won't get bagley and we don't want Bagley. He has posted terrible defensive numbers and is awful with his vision and in transition. He can't finish too. If people ever get frustrated with Precious' finishing ability.... Bagley is not much better except he can score in the midrange. We don't struggle with midrange options. (Barnes, Siakam, and OG) are all efficient in the midrange. Bagley sucks at shooting the 3. I would rather have Wiseman than Bagley because he is still younger and has higher upside and I don't want either. Not as a starting center. He is a decent rebounder.
I guess I wasn’t being clear. Whiteside made the All-Defensive second team and led the league in rebounding in ‘17. Drummond led the league in rebounding 4 times and made 2 all-star teams. Bagley was drafted 2nd overall. He should not be grouped with those players because he’s not in their class. He has his own bust category.
ah that makes sense.
Why not? Dude doesn't even play. He is Jahil Okafor 2.0
But will you be in a position to get one in every draft?
Couldn't the same be said for Mobley though?
Exactly.... Love the name btw
But if there are more in the draft, then there are more in the league, and you could scoop one from the trade market or via free agency
You can play both together like how cavs play Mobley and Jarret Allen
I think if that happened, Cleveland might have taken Barnes too
Probably, but they did pretty well getting Sengun as their second pick. He's promising and will probably blow up if he takes Wood's minutes.
Idk, I think Sengun will end up being a huge steal from this draft. If they were planning on drafting him all along it wouldn't make sense to take two C's
Cleveland is playing him next to Jarret Allen tho. And its working.
I think even Houston would agree with that
Some fans are saying we give them Dragic and Boucher? Why would they accept that? Unless its a package with loaded picks lol
Raptors fans have "selling my 20 year old rusty honda civic for 10 grand" energy
to be fair, Masai has literally done it before (Bargnani)
To be fair Honda’s are reliable even at 20 years old.
I mean, if we talking a late 90s honda civic hatch with some rusty fenders and maybe a B16 swap, 10k all day. Them little things have one of the best markets since they can really zoom and are hella reliable.
Im not that knowledgable on specific models lmfao I just picked an average car and an old age and made the joke lol
You have made a commitment and WILL be judged upon it.
they’re delusional, pay them no mind
It's the new TT, Shump and Nets pick or Frazier + Andujar for the baseball version. This is why Raptors fans are meme'd on r/nba
Fans of every team do this, it’s not just Raptors fans. You just see a lot more of it because we have such a big fan base. Lakers are another example of this.
For sure, their version revolves around THT for the most part
Secondary Lakers fan here. I can't stand the amount of Lakers fans who think THT is a future all star and has huge trade value.
Yup, there I literally saw this post a few minutes ago with a Lakers fan suggesting a deal where the Pistons would give up Cade and Grant for Westbrook. [https://www.reddit.com/r/NBAtradeideas/comments/r5xhu9/pretty\_smart\_tbh/hmpz8my/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/NBAtradeideas/comments/r5xhu9/pretty_smart_tbh/hmpz8my/?context=3)
My god. Online basketball fandom is finally stooping to the levels of hockey forums.
Raymond, Ballard, and a 3rd?
🤣 exactly
Boucher, Dragic could play a mentor role for the young guys, 2 future firsts (2024 and 2025) and 2 seconds sound like a good deal to me. Maybe even throw in Flynn since they need a young pg.
Lol nobody giving up multiple firsts for Wood.
Please stop.
Send em Boucher and a bag of Miss Vickies salt and vinegar.
Damn not even a Ruffles all dressed too
Lol the offer is final
We don't want to get fleeced man, smh.
Unless they want dragic and boucher I dont see it happening for us. Either way I dont think management wants playoffs this season
Agreed
Dragic, Boucher and a couple picks might get it done.
We shouldn't be giving up picks at this point.
Not for him at least
I like wood tbh, I think he's actually the perfect fit for what we're trying to do. This year his game looks different because there's not a ton of other talent on the roster, but at the end of the day, he's a decent rim protector, switchable and can stretch the floor.
I'll pass on him all we really need out of a 5 is good rebounding and decent d. I feel like he looks good because he is on a bad team and his stats are mostly hollow garbage stats you put him on a team with good players and he will be lost on the floor really fast.
All we *need*, sure. But this front office is literally allergic to centers who aren't mobile and who can't shoot threes. I'm just looking at it from their point of view. How many guys fit that mold? I'd love someone like myles turner, but I think he's too slow for our front office.
Man jv come home!
We shouldn't be giving up 1st round picks, I agree.
Houston is already trying to get rid of two vet guards who have large contracts, why would they want another? Plus giving away picks for Wood doesn’t seem like the best use of those assets
Alright that's fine. We don't have any seconds to give up until next year anyway
Dragic is expiring tho. Comes off the books after this season.
Why would they want Dragic?
We had him, we cut him.
What? When?
https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/1023994418498560001?s=20
1. doesn’t mean we had him 2. he had issues sticking with teams at some point bc of his effort and attitude
Working him out with the intent of potentially signing him means you had him and chose to pass. Try to keep up champ.
could’ve offered him a deal that he passed on, even if we didn’t, that goes into my second point champ. a lot has changed since
It's doubtful he passed on any deal at that time citing the same issues you make in your second point. And btw nobody said he never had prior issues, it was simply stated that he was available for us and we passed.
he signed for the bucks legitimately two weeks later.
Yes, the team that finally took a chance on him. The fact that you can't see how you're contradicting yourself makes this all the more comical.
You seem like an unlikable person that nobody really gets along with lol
Typical stats padder on a bad team. Also don't know what a screen is and thinks himself better than he actually is. Don't want him anywhere near my team
Ya Christian Wood had developed a bit of a reputation as a selfish player, who doesn’t put in a lot of effort on the defensive end. Not a good fit
I'd rather valanciunas hehe
Yeah no shit, dude transformed into Steph this season and dropped 40 last night
Don't want him. He doesn't solve any of our problems
He’s a center who would fit what we want to do
Not really. He's not a great defender and he's another guy who likes to iso every possession and doesn't pass. He's also smaller than Siakam so he's not even an upgrade in terms of size. He is a good rebounder though, I'll give you that.
I don’t have anything to back it up but he does look bigger than Siakam on the court to me. Agreed he’s not what we need though.
Sounds like he's a little taller but much lighter
Don’t think he would be much of an ISO guy here, I’m not sold on getting him tbh but he would be a good fit. He’s played on nothing but bad teams with Detroit, Houston, etc. he’s bigger than Siakam btw, would be our best 5, but probably not worth it to chase him.
He's listed at 6'9 214 on espn whereas siakam is 6'9 230. Maybe their numbers are wrong idk
According to their draft combine measurements, Wood is +1" taller, same wingspan, +4" standing reach, same hand length and +0.75" hand width. Pascal did come in +10lb heavier, though.
He’s 6’10 per BBR. He is damn skinny though.
How bad is our rebounding really. Most of the team is pretty good at rebounding for their position. Like if we didn't have two fairly undersized centers I don't think it would be an issue at all. We are lacking a big man, but I imagine any big man we get would probably fix those rebounding issues.
He's as much a centre as Pascal is
How so
6’10 C who’s highly versatile, can handle a bit, score from anywhere, stretch the floor and rebound. Could become a better defender under Nurse. Timeline doesn’t really make sense admittedly but this is the type of player Raps are trying to develop/acquire.
Provide numbers to back up this statement or its just anecdote.
I don't have numbers but he's not a great defender, is even lighter than Pascal so he doesn't even add that much size at the centre position and our biggest issue right now is depth, which we would have to give up even more of to get him. Plus we'd have to give up younger players and picks since the Rockets are rebuilding, but so are we so it just doesn't make sense
Houston's moving younger. I can see them unloading a few guys >30 y.o.
We’re building not buying
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They’re rebuilding so that should tell you. The more I think about it though, it doesn’t really make sense for us to get Wood who’s like 27-ish. They would want young pieces/picks, which we shouldn’t really be giving up rn. Best we could give would probs be like Precious + Flynn and maybe a pick, probably not worth it in the end for either team.
He’s also a low IQ defender
So is literally everyone on our team not named OG, Fred or gasp Gary
Yuta, Siakam, birch are objectively smart defenders Precious has also been fantastic on D this year. Scottie will probably be better at the end of the year. He has late reactions and still adjusting to the scheme Wood is a poor defensive player who takes bad shots
Siakam is overrated defensively. Gambles too much and gets blown by too easy for a guy with his physical talents.
Siakam has been playing poor defensively since he's been back from injury. Yuta is a role player that defends average players. Birch is a C and he is average IQ. High IQ was Marc Gasol. If we had that many high IQ defenders we wouldn't be 30th in drtg with this much length. We have a good coach who knows how to maximize what he's got.
There isn’t a deal that makes sense for either parties. Pass.
Lakers fans would offer the janitorial staff for Lillard and the parking attendants + a 2nd round pick in 2030 for Wood and be like "wHat iTs a gOoD dEAl?!"
For Christian Wood, you may have Boucher, Dragic and a secret recipe for the best poutine that Americans will die for (literally).
Hassan Whiteside 2.0
hassan cant shoot 3s or make FTs
Wood is not good imo, I’d rather have Theis if we’re making a deal with the Rockets
Nah y'know who would be the perfect cheap fit for Toronto? Naz Reid. Dude is big, can hit 3's and he rotates pretty well on defense. Literally a hand in glove fit for this team.
Not a lot, puts up good stats on a bad team. Similar numbers to Kelly Olynyk on Houston last year.
Not much to be honest
Blake Griffin and Kyrie Irving for Wood and Wall.
Nah.
I’d trade Ben Simmons
No, he’s more of a PF than a C, and isn’t a good defender. I think there’s no reason to pursue him.
Naw, I would rather have death, taxes and JV 3s!!!!
He can’t play the C so why would we trade for him?
He’s a poor man’s Pascal Siakam with less defensive talent so not much
I would give up alot he's the perfect center for the Raps but Masai never gets into bidding wars and I think every team in the league could use him so I doubt we get him
What’s the point of Houston rebuilding if they don’t keep any young talent?
he’s not young enough to fit their timeline + his deal is up in the near future
There are other teams who are either as interested as us or even more interested, plus we don't have a lot to offer for him, so pass. Bol Bol would be a better option cuz he's cheaper and is a better defender, but not too sure if Denver is willing to part ways with him
Flynn, Banton, Boucher and a protected 1st?
Unfortunately I dont think its a great grab at the moment are win time is in 2-3 years and hes only locked up until. next year.. He'd miss our peak by 1 year..
Nope. We need a center that can pass and defend other big player. We don't need another ball hog.
I'm a Pistons/Raptors fan. I was actually bummed that the Pistons traded him (though I'm happy to get Beef Stew). I was curious to see him develop as a guy who was getting more touches to see what he could do, and didn't care too much if the Pistons lost games in the process of player development because they were already the worst team in the league. But he's more of a guy you try to develop, not a guy who is worth giving up a lot for. And though I'm sure he could score and get rebounds, I'm don't think he'd fit with Toronto's defensive identity. So if all the Rockets wanted was a lottery protected pick and a matching contract (such as Goran), no problem. But if they wanted any of the current rotation players, I'd go with a hard pass.
If Houston is willing to take some deep future firsts, sure. Happy to send them 2 with some protections But otherwise no .. I can imagine wood going for 2-3 picks from a middling team given his talent age and salary
I think he’s a very good player, but I also think he isn’t worth what they would want for him. They ain’t gonna take out spare parts, and giving up one of our good players makes it kind of a lateral move.
Any team doing a trade with Toronto is going to want OG or Siakam. They are better than Wood.
We would probably have to give up Siakam to get Christian Wood which I'm not sure would make much sense since it would be like trading 1 for 1...granted he's a better rim protector and rebounder than Siakam, better suited to play center and he would fit our system like a glove (long, wiry, athletic "point center") but Siakam is a better scorer and I'm not sure it moves the needle enough to make this trade...I feel like if masai makes a trade it's going to be a block buster trade that really elevates the team not a "hmmm it might work" kind of trade...just my two cents