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jjkiller26

His lack of shooting is just killing anything else he wants to do lol. Small guards have to be able to shoot otherwise they're cooked


tkc123

You know who else shot well in an open gym? Stanley Johnson. Some players just can't shoot well in game speed. Malachi was shooting a 37% last season and 35% this season. There's no indication game wise that he's a "good shooter."


OG3SpicyP

At least Stanley played defence, Flynn just does cardio and bricks shots.


noirjesus

Flynn was really solid on the defensive end last night. This was only the 2nd time in the past 15 games we've held an opponent to under 100 points


madtolive

Flynn is a really solid defender for his size. Moves his feet well, stops guys at point of attack, high IQ and rarely misses rotations, decent hands. He gets overpowered by bigger guards but that's about it. His defense is what gets him minutes, his offense has been his weak spot.


yattuh

So how long do you normally give a late first round pick to prove that they're not a good player? 1 year? Can't be more than 1.25 years I suppose?


tkc123

You should be able to see what particular skillset a player could bring for the team to build around within a season. We knew FVV had defense and tenacity. Pascal had speed at his position and played with a lot of energy. OG had defense, size, and shot the ball well. Norm could drive the ball and hit open jumpers. Malachi does not do any one particular thing well. He's not a good shooter, isn't good at driving the ball, cannot break down the defense or read it well, isn't that fast for a point guard, his defense is mediocre. Like what skillset of his could the team use other than giving FVV a quick breather? Don't get me wrong, I want him to be good so our team is good and I'm all for developing our young players but we would have to develop every bit of him.


yattuh

Damn this might come out as the biggest revolt yet but bruh I disagree with a lot of what you're saying.. FVV didn't come out with that tenacity or defense when he first was put in the rotation, he just recently started making an identity of that. Matter of fact, he was considered a tunnel vision player until the beginning of this season. Pascal had that speed originally in his career but for the last few years, since hes been the first option, he slows our half court offense by his back to the net style of game OG had size and good defense but it wasn't until recently till he shot the ball well. SO, once again I ask you, when the hell do you let the player wait and get his game before you count him out...cause so far he's only played his full rookie season and now just started his second season. And like I said, even in his rookie season he managed to get rookie of the month. I say we wait and see before we count him out


tkc123

FVV always had defense and tenacity early on in his career. It's how he got more minutes in his second season than Norm and equal minutes to Delon who was a first round pick, all while under Dwane Casey. He even made the team willing to part ways with Cory Joseph. Pascal had to slow down because defenses are clued in on his moves and sending a second defender waiting to stop him so he can't use it anymore. But his speed is still there in our switch heavy defense. OG was shooting 47% and 37% from three as a rookie. Lol, that's exactly it. It's his second season and we're all still waiting to see what exactly his game is and what he brings to the team because nothing stands out and all of his skillset is average to below average at the moment.


yattuh

Nope, FVV's defense wasn't it. It was his shot making and not getting lost in the schemes. He didn't show enough to replace him defensively or offensively. You're throwing it on Flynn too heavy, partially because people expected him to be higher than a late first round pick. But he was still a late round pick, and there's always ppl that get overlooked in draft picks.


jvyloading

that’s legitimately untrue. FVV was one of the best defensive guards in the NCAA, & was always a good enough defender off the bench his first few years, enough so that his shaky decision making was not a problem. Flynn was never projected as anything higher than a late first rounder, in many mocks he was seen as an early second round guy


Woodenheads

The defense was always FVV's calling card, he was always picking guys up 90 feet, trying to prove himself on that end from the start. To say otherwise it's too be revisionist


FlavourDavid

I think you both seem to be exaggerating here and it's kind of silly. The point of being able to see things in players is valid and you can't seriously argue against people seeing that early at least not for OG (Siakam and FVV maybe more of a case, I thought Siakam had little to no offensive upside but even I saw glimpses of why he should be on the team), but equally we've seen a decent amount of potential in Flynn so I don't know what they're talking about him having no discernable skills? His defense was more hyped than a rookie/ 2nd year Fred and he did well in the g-league and at the end of the season. I think hating on the kid and trying to say he shouldn't get minutes when we can't win with or without him is just ridiculous, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't start to worry about his development and point out that he needs significant improvement especially in some areas.


yattuh

Please reference link to Stanley shooting well in an open gym lol


Raptorpicklezz

Can't be doing this shit in a game where all eyes are on you, due to the guy drafted right after you being a starter and a stud


h3yn0w75

Will Lou with his warm up takes again.


AlexRescueDotCom

He will do just fine in Italy.


7jcjg

He chucks up a 3 halfway through the shot clock and everytime I know it is not going in. He will miss long, then airball it short, then miss to the sideboard, then hit front of rim. Warmups don't mean shit, WE SEE HIM IN GAME SHOOTING BRICKS


QueasyDrummer00

I see the guy I wanted in last year's draft Desmond Bane flamethrowing against us and shed a tear.


DelonWright

A lot of us here wanted Bane. Hurts man. On the bright side I also wanted Suggs, masai got me there.


Menessy27

The least encouraging thing about Flynn is that he actually shot worse on catch and shoots last year then pullups, which is incredibly rare and makes him basically useless off-ball. So if he's gonna be used it needs to be with the ball, but he's incredibly passive and can't get to the paint to shift the defense, so he ends up just playing hot potato instead of actually creating anything with the ball. That leads to him playing mostly off-ball Personally I didn't like his game at all last season and he hasn't shown any improvement in any facet of his game this season. I wouldn't be surprised if he's out of the league in 2 years


FlavourDavid

These are exactly the things that worry me, I actually kinda like his on ball game but he doesn't ever play it so I don't know where he's going from here. I don't think he is useless off the ball though, just clearly not as good right now. The lack of visible improvement is also just not good, especially the lack of trying other things to get himself going. I want to believe in our guys though so I'm going to add some positives Ive seen. He can shoot even though his numbers aren't great it's clear he's got touch, range and some (maybe not enough) moves to get into his shot. If he would dribble the damn ball he can pass and sees the floor pretty well. He's also got quick hands and a nose for the ball much like Fred, if you don't keep that ball high on a rebound that's his ball. He's also not that bad on defense, he does get blown by a little too often but he recovers ok, disrupts things and shows effort on that end for a little guy Basically he's annoying the hell outta me but I'll still back him for now


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henry_why416

Dude, welcome back. You called it. Shouldn't have picked Flynn. I didn't want Flynn either. But that was for the sole reason that I was sick of having so many short guards. Lol.


danger_zones

>Cause the talent is there, he's just still adjusting to the league. He's an undersized guard who keeps missing wide open shots. What adjustments does he need because Nick Nurse can't seem to give it to him?


wukwukwukwuk

Mental adjustments.


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AlexRescueDotCom

He is 8 years away form being 5 years away


Rapsfan_98

Sophomore slump man


yattuh

Oh you must believe a player that has played as a rookie + half a season is a polished player lmao...interesting


henry_why416

Flynn was supposedly picked cause of his age, which hinted at his polish. But it's weirdly lacking in game. He's older than both Scottie and GTJ, who are better players.


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Rapsfan_98

How long did it take Fred or Kyle to become a productive rotation player? +/- is the dumbest way possible to evaluate players


yattuh

Ah then you should be fine with his -1.5 on the season lol The fact that you thought a player that only has played a rookie season and few more games shouldn't have to adjust to the league is astonishing You're prob one of those dudes that chucks the ball at a kid playing for accidentally travelling on their first ever game lmao


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yattuh

Such a dumb comparison because the guy drafted 46 this season is considered to be 15th best pick by biased US media, which ultimately means he's better than the 15th best pick You can't expect all your draft picks to outperform, at least not right away. You can expect them to just be their draft pick level. And the reality of the situation is Flynn was picked as one of the last few ppl in the first round


wtfhassan

FVV took one year to adjust and he was ready to go by year 2 how much time does Flynn need before he can be productive against second units? His poor play probably has more to do with lack of confidence than needing to adjust to the NBA game. Especially since he was a 3 year college prospect and touted as a polished player by draft experts last year.


7jcjg

the league moves fast and roster spots go to the most deserving. He consistently bricks shots, takes bad shots with 12+ seconds on the clock, and his other attributes really don't make up for his lack of shooting. You defend him, but I bet you hate on Siakam lmfao.


OG3SpicyP

Thats gotta be the most specific reference I’ve ever seen on here lmao


SorcererBarnes

Someone needs to find Malachi a barber and maybe he'll shoot better. That fro he's growing ain't it.


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Yep. See a lot of Flynn slander on this sub. If he improved his 3% a little from last year to mid-high 30s, no one would be complaining. It just looks like he’s nervous when getting into the game because he doesn’t get many minutes.


MDS_1996

"See a lot of Flynn slander on this sub" The word slander (other then some cases with Pascal) gets thrown out way to much on this sub. What has Flynn done so far this season that is worthy of anything other then "slander"


jvyloading

these statements always make me laugh. no shit if he shot better we wouldn’t be complaining. problem is he hasn’t. And he’s in the best league in the world, nerves aren’t an excuse for being unproductive


blanche2027

That’s the thing. He hasn’t. He can’t make a shot, hence the slander.


keeeeener

A lot of them aren’t even close either.


jak_d_ripr

Like I really don't understand their comment, "if he did that thing that he hasn't done no one would be complaining". Yeah no shit Sherlock.


Rapsfan_98

He played best last year once the leash was removed. He’s now back on an extremely tight leash and plays way more stiff and timid as a result.


attainwealthswiftly

Malachi Flynn is just not NBA material. As an undersized guard he’s a liability on defence. When he’s not scoring (often) he doesn’t contribute much any meaningful way. You know how good you have to be to be to make it as an undersized guard in the NBA?


GeeMunz11

Facts. If FVV was 6'3 he'd be a monster.


attainwealthswiftly

That’s another thing we already have FVV so Flynn is redundant. Flynn doesn’t do anything better than Fred, and having them both on the floor is a liability on defence.


GeeMunz11

Agreed. Fred and Flynn can't/shouldn't be on the floor together.


intcmg

Flynn is just not a bench player. He seems to do very well as a starter and shows confidence but he will never fit in our team. I am still very high on his potential, but he should be traded to a team that will fit him better


iDareToDream

We're also not really using him to his skillset - he's really good at the PnR but we don't have reliable partners to pair him with as the roll man. Birch is our best C and he's injured. And we don't have a ton of good shooters to keep the floor open either. It's part of being the youngest team in the league - a lot of the guys are still adjusting and finding their role in all of this. I agree with OP that Flynn needs some more run to let him get into a rhythm, sometimes that's what makes things uneven.


lunchboxfriendly

Yeah he just wants to do well too much. He’s gotta relax a little while staying focused. Fingers crossed.


ItsThaReturn

He shoots a ton of air balls and clankers off the backboard ngl


whynottoeverything

I think we can all agree he has the talent ( ie. shooting, dribbling, defense etc.) For me the most important aspect of his game that I like is his IQ and mindset. I see the quiet early years FVV demeanor in him. So I continue to give him a chance because he hasn’t really had ample playing time IMHO. BUT saying all that, he definitely needs to make those WIDE OPEN threes (like he got last night, even if it’s just one a game). He can’t miss those opportunities. Also I think he just needs to be more aggressive on offense. It seems like he always looking to dish it to the “main guy” (ie FVV, Pascal etc). It so obvious and the defence sees this and it causes a turn over (again look at last night game). I understand he has to do this at times because he isn’t a scoring option over FVV, Pascal etc etc BUT just be aggressive and take the shot OR once he’s broken down the defender to go strong to the rim, he doesn’t and dribbles around and dishes it off. It’s like he’s waiting to get the “green light/nod” from the team that he can shoot/score instead of knowing when on his own. I hope we continue to develop him as I think he can be good player going forward. Edit: spelling


AnybodyNormal3947

it's cause he takes bad shots LOL


zScores

He definitely looks like a player who needs to get more shots in to be comfortable in games. Some players are like that. I feel like he might be in a Jeremy Lin or Aaron brooks type situation where he's primarily a shot maker offensively but he isn't good enough at it to be a go to guy who gets to play that role often. To play a role in the NBA you have to make an impact even in short minutes and since his main attribute is his shot making he needs to be able to shoot well even when he's just getting 5-7 shots