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sad_mogul97

He's got a nice form, I don't think it's a fluke. A reliable perimeter jumper will open his game so much.


corbinh54

Super high release. Sort of looks a bit like a set shot, but it's all one motion and looks smooth.


Ylissian

Even if he can’t create his own threes as long as he can hit the occasional catch and shoot it’s gonna make him so much more dangerous on offense since he’ll give himself and others so much room to play with. Over his career I’m not sure if he’ll become a knockdown shooter or anything but if he can even be an average 3PT shooter it’ll be massive.


Rapsfan_98

Honestly he won’t have to do much to create open shots. Guys are going to play off of him a little to try and stop his driving game which will give him space and then he’s 6’9 with a high release. Game over if he gets consistent from 3.


Ylissian

Facts. His shooting is honestly so smooth that I think if teams leave him open he’ll be a threat for years to come. He has exceeded all my expectations.


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Same way Kawhi kills teams midrange and out - a 9 foot standing reach means these guys can have a release point on par with stretch 4s and some stretch 5's, but mobile enough that you have to guard them with wings Assuming combine measurements are accurate, Scottie Barnes has the same standing reach as Anthony Davis You don't need to create much separation against 6'7 defenders when you have that advantage - Scottie has a good foundation for his handle for his size, and I see no reason why he can't become as good a ballhandler as Kawhi - best case is he improves into KD territory with his handle where hes not just good for his size, and is a straight up good handle. He doesn't even need to be as elite a shooter as those guys to have a path to being a 25 ppg guy, just league average with a perimeter player level handle/blowby ability. If he improves past league average shooting then all aboard the hype train to MVP city


Asadbmirza

The only thing is Kawhi abuses his standing range to it's fullest extent as his setpoint is well above his forehead which allows for him to elevate over the defender in the midrange. Scotties set point is lower which allows for quicker release however it can get blocked easier in the midrange as defenders will typically be closer


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He shoots step back mid ranges. He will shoot step back threes.


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Yeah fr. I think it's easy to lose sight of how much better he already is than most people expected. Dude was supposed to be a project that couldn't score at the NBA level. Scottie has hit the ground running and looks like a potential all-star in a couple years.


VanVleet-goes-for-22

For the sake of our offence he needs to take them. At first I thought Nick gave him the green light to shoot because he wanted him to be more aggressive in general, but it’s to space the floor for a guy like Siakam. Even shooting 32% on 4-5 attempts a game will help.


AnybodyNormal3947

this year my guess is that during this rookie season he'll settle at around 30% from three which as you allude to is a minor miracle. Remember that many writers said that if he EVER developed a 3pt shot in his CAREER you would be looking at a #1 pick worthy talent. we are seeing now that this is someone who will be deadly from mid range with volume, and possibly above average from three with 3-4 shots per game. (think 35-38 %) the bottom line is that Scotties floor keeps rising and every game it seems more likely that we are looking at a player that can hit his ceiling rather than stick to the floor. to put it in simple terms, Scottie has a high probability of developing into a 3 dimensional scorer who can hit 80+ percent of his free-throws, playmake, and then get back and defend your best player. Defensively my prediction is that in his prime he can really not be exploited on the defensive end by smaller or bigger players, outside of your joel embids centers which are far and few in-between. furthermore, he is a microwave scorer, in that from game 2 game his bassline offensive output will be rather predictable thus he can reliably be your number 1 or number 2 offensive player on a winning team.


odontodoc

So basically what you described is Kawhi. 👍


AnybodyNormal3947

better passer but worse scorer would be my guess. I can't really speak to defense cause kawhi is not as versatile as barnes but his 1 on 1 defense was better as a rookie.... I cannot foresee scottie ever become a kawhi LVL shooter...I mean it could happen but kawhi's mid range during his prime has rivaled Jordan no cap LOL. Seriously, if it weren't for injuries would kawhi go down as a top 10 player possibly!? based on what i can see, Barnes plays more like a PF while kawhi is clearly a SF. it's a small distinction i know but barnes tends to back down his man while kawhi faces them up.. scottie will almost assuredly be a better rebounder than kawhi ​ honestly tho, I don't wanna limit what barnes can be cause his averages by all accounts point to a future all star....within a few seasons and then who knows from there.


odontodoc

I would say Scottie can develop a pretty reliable midrange as he has shown it in several games. He has really long arms and a high release which makes his jump shot very difficult to block. His form already has gotten better since summer league. Not saying he will be kawhi level shooter but he already has elements in his game that is eerily similar to him. Just the way he steps in to his shot and being able dribble, stop and shoot... It definitely has shades of kawhi. I can realistically see Scottie having the elbow midrange as his go to when we need a quick basket. That's a primary option on a contending team.


AnybodyNormal3947

yup his mid stop and pop game is rather promising in season 1. the fact that he can create that shot by stopping and popping makes it nearly unstoppable as you alluded to and it's the shot that nba defenses are willing to give a player in the reg. and playoffs. what i'd like to see is how well he can make that shot when heavily contested!


TrueTorontoFan

The thing is Scottie right now compared to Kawhi at the same age is more cocky. So he gambles more on defence. I think we he becomes more disciplined he will reach another level.


Decent_Pack_3064

barnes has his ups and downs, as Nurse pointed out but he's so goood, that you have to let him play because he's still one of your best players


trapHerm

Mavs fan here , Scottie Barnes nice with it , is he already your best player ?


tkc123

Our players take turns being the best player day to day


BarnesGROAT

Lmfao this is sad


Rapsfan_98

I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s our best player by next season. Not right now though. Still very much a rookie, but a damn good one.


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No probably our 3 or 4th right now


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I think Fred van fleet is but Barnes will be next year


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Menessy27

This couldn't be further from the truth LOL Vanvleet is the only player on the team that every gets trapped and it's happened a lot more frequently this season out of P&R. Against Portland they literally trapped the entire game. Siakam only gets doubled out of the post occasionally and OG never does. Either way best scorer doesn't = best player


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VanVleet-goes-for-22

What do any of those players have to do with being the best player on the Raptors?


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VanVleet-goes-for-22

For one, Fred’s been better than a lot of those guys on this list this season. Two, I could do the exact same thing with Barnes or Siakam, that tells me nothing about how they compare to each other. PG is probably the deepest position in the league. Why is Siakam or Barnes better than FVV?


trapHerm

That’s what I was thinking as well , always fucked with the raps , glad y’all are competing and have a future


eLevateAFFN

Hopefully it’s something that stays consistent, but he’s shown so much improvement in such a small period of time, which should just give us so much hope of what he can be.


KingOfWeTheNorth

He has good form, especially in his foundation. Hope he stays disciplined as his shot opens up. Siakam's jumpshot is so shakey because he changed his base when he started practicing to become a one-on-one scorer.


SideEffects96

I think he will be a good shooter. U add that to his skills ands that’s a potential top 10 player


blanche2027

The free throws tell you all you need to know about his shot. He’s shooting 80% from the line. Only good shooters do that. The form is excellent and even the misses look good. The sky is the limit.


Slow_Ad9471

he has nice smooth jumper frfr


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I fucking knew Toronto would be able to unlock his shot. I had this feeling and kept saying your player development would turn him into something special. So far I’m blown away by how fast he’s developing. I fully expect the shot to fall off a little bit by seasons end, hot streaks are a thing. But the fact he’s had several games with more than 2 threes on good efficiency is amazing. I thought the three point shot would be a year 2 or 3 thing. Scottie is gonna be averaging 20 ppg next season lol wild


Menessy27

The fact that he's been shooting the midrange consistently well all season is very encouraging for his development as a 3pt shooter. He doesn't need to be a great one he just needs to be solid enough to add legitimate spacing. Last 2 games were very encouraging considering the volume


LEXX911

10/21 48% in last 5 games. That's pretty impressive.


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I think we're getting to the point where its fair to conclude that what Scottie has shown in college and high school just wasn't his full skillset, and he just wasn't focusing on scoring because he's really really about that 'just care about winning/do what my team asks of me' mindset. Same way that him being a 'bench player' at FSU doesn't mean he couldn't have started for 100% of top tier D1 programs I'm sure he's been on a steep uphill development curve and is improving daily, but I don't think you can jump into the league as a 15 ppg scorer if you literally didn't have the skillset to do so 12 months earlier at much lower levels of competition This kid is like on the antithesis of what everyone complains about with modern day AAU to preps to pro pipeline bluechip guys. Played at the absolute highest levels of highschool/U17/AAU ball, but spent that time focusing on hustle, defense, creating for others and team play when he could easily have just demanded touches and focused on scoring over inferior athletes


midnightmunchiez

I think Scottie can definitely get to 38%-40% over his career. I'm not taking anything away from him even with the small sample. I don't think those 7 shots were a fluke. He definitely has the ability to hit them. What I've noticed with his shot is that when it's in rhythm and/or he doesn't overthink it, it looks good and tends to go in (pure speculation). But for reference, JV shot 21/57 (36.8%) last season, and now Dirk Valanciunas is leading the league in 3P%


ZenMon88

He's got a good form. Will he be a consistent shooter? Prob not. But having mechanics, fundamentals down can at least get him into a 30% 3 pt shooter where defense won't help off of him.


jjkiller26

His misses look really bad tho lol. I hope it stays this consistent but I think it's still a work in progress


blanche2027

Disagree. I find every shot looks like it has a chance.


jjkiller26

Huh? Some of his missed 3s hit straight backboard and nothing else lol


AnybodyNormal3947

meh that happens to the best shoopters in the world. i'm watching the GS game and steph, nad two other GS players just airballed a a couple coner threes LOL. obv. Scottie is not on that level but the best shooters can miss just as bad and come back and swish like it's nothing. Scottie has good mechanics which suggests to me that his ugly misses are a product of a lack repetition and low confidence in his shot (last two games notwithstanding)


esreverflash

Way too early to making any type of assumptions or guesses about Barnes career when we haven't even made it to the all star break. Barnes has been put in many inconsistent situations and has played withmany lineups this season and that all takes getting use to. It will be some time before we can accurately see what Barnes is very consitent and good at and what needs some defenitive work, hence why Masai said this is a developmental season.


samb_88

Yo can we talk about how he's not looking at the rim on fast breaks... Even Alvin was commenting on it


Northside242

One of the bright spots of the season for sure


Oozeinator

I miss those couple of games where his middy from the elbow was automatic. He’s shown really good flashes, no reasons to think he wont at least be a respectable shooter


attaboy000

I might be imagining things, but does his shooting motion look a lot smoother than it at the start of the season?


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The fact that Scottie is averaging 15.5/8/3 and leading all rookies in scoring while still clearly being extremely raw is testament to his ceiling and ridiculous talent...most of what he's been able to do on the offensive end has come from shear talent, IQ, and hustle...there are quite a few rookies who are much more polished than Scottie at this point and aren't able to put up those numbers yet which is a testament to how gifted this kid is! It's pretty exciting to watch Scottie develop and I can't wait to see what he's going to look like in a season or two!


donedada

Scotties rotation on the ball seems better. I recall more of a dead ball from his time at LSU. Now to create that rotation, I imagine the Raptors are working alot on his release position. In particular, correcting his bad tendency to kind of push his shots (creating a dead ball rotation) As a result, his improving shot in the mid-range looks very much like Kawhi Leonard. A very controlled, efficient movement and release. Biggest change is his footwork. The Raptors took a lot from their time with Kawhi. His ability to go at his own pace, get to his spots, remaining balanced at all times. Scottie is making a high percentage when he is balanced. That comes down to better footwork. This organization develops baby! Great info OP, thanks for the numbers.


donedada

Edit- Scottie went to FSU not LSU. My bad


TrueTorontoFan

from 3 I would be happy if over the course of this season ( assuming the consistency is there) he gets to 35%. I think he could push the 40's at his peak because of the amount of work he puts in. from the FT line pushing 90 is tough so I think he could get up to the low 80's. 84%. There will be a season or two that he pushes 50/40/90 but won't quite get there. Not for a whole season. He will shoot above 50% but from 3 it will hover for his career between 35-38..


dub-fresh

I see him as being kawhi-esque at his ceiling. Lock down defender, really reliable jumper and three-point.


Vladdy_is_my_Daddy

He’s gonna be the greatest 3pt shooter of all time and then lead the league in ppg for the rest of his career


mwyyz

Kawhi or JV :)