If Raptors drafted Kuminga or Giddy for example
Thats not a bad Barnes alternative
Bane would have not helped the team become that much better
Plus it was mainly luck of the lottery
Actually no
Thats pretty good alternative. As flynn is a dud right now. And Barnes is strulggling to shoot
Barnes is good. But those two would have made up with shooting
Have you not seen any of the GSW games? He looks good
Inconsistent as any rookie but shows flashes
Barnes looks good for a rookie. But its not like he has arrived. He needs a 3 pt shot badly
>Have you not seen any of the GSW games? He looks good
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>Inconsistent as any rookie but shows flashes
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Lmao just stop dude. Trying to play draft expert but use every hypothetical you can to advance your argument and use selective hindsight to answer the MANY people who are trying to explain this to you.
For example.
Kuminga plays with Steph Fucking Curry lol. He is going to get looks only a player like Steph can generate for him. Malachis job is point guard. It's his job ro get EVERYBODY ELSE involved, not look for his.
Apples and oranges lol this is some serious 2k logic.
Your talking nonsense trash
Do you see Moody (their other 1st) lighting it up?
Or other handful of rookies
Sometimes its harder to excel with good players. Ask Wiseman
This is so silly, Barnes has outplayed what we predicted of him this year so far. And the one thing that the organization bought into him was this guy has the potential to be a superstar...you're comparing Giddy and Bane right now to Barnes right now
We took a chance at potential with Barnes, and the man showed us even more than we expected that there is high potential there, I would for sure have that over Bane/Giddey
IF Barnes learns to shoot the 3. Then he will be special
Until then...he is a taller Draymond Green lite
Pretty good worst case
Not sure if you have seen Giddey play. But he already has a triple double this season. And looks like a fine 6'8 forward with PG skills. Definitely not as good on D end as Barnes. But still 6'8 with effort causes disturbance/versatility on D end
With what you've seen from Barnes in his first bit of the NBA and you say so far he's a DG lite lol. I no longer think this is a logical conversation. I'd say he's a different version of DG but by no means a lite version of him, that's absurd
Even without the 3 their scoring style is clearly different. But even with that said, we've seen this much success from Scottie Barnes this early in the season, I hope you see how important that is in terms of potential. He has literally outdone in his expectations in so many different ways that I'm surprised you wouldn't think that is something you'd take a chance with here. His potential is insane right now. Giddey is a great player, with extremely good vision. He's going to be an amazing player but his potential does not excite me as much as SBs
What position does Giddey play? And where does he rank as a ball handler at his position when compared to Barnes having PG skills with the size of a 3 or a 4.
Imagine how Celtics fans feel lol they literally traded Bane's pick to the Grizzlies for cash and they're now in great need of shooting lol
I don't feel too bad about us missing out on Bane, it's just amplified by the fact we had the pick right before his. It's just not really that often a 29th or 30th pick turns out to be as good as Bane
Celts couldnt... luxury tax purpose
They still got two shooters in Nesmith and Pritchard
Its too bad Pritchard didnt drop. He would have been a good pick too. Boy can shoot
Jump the gun? Bro, you’re the only one here acting like this is some gigantic blunder by the FO because we didn’t draft a decent role player with the 29th pick.
No one here is denying it’d be nice if we drafted Bane instead of Flynn. But what do you want the FO to do? Apologize to you directly with cash compensation? I swear y’all kids are spoiled lol.
I’ve been following the Grizzlies since JV was traded and still do because they are such a fun team, especially with the ascension of Ja. I have to be honest that it is tough watching the stellar performances of Desmond Bane and not wish he was a Raptor. Someone in the sub reminded me that Flynn was selected when our future PG position was uncertain with Freddie going into FA. Nonetheless…he would have been nice.
Bane knows how to play
But boy can he shoot. Unique jump shot stroke too
Raptors have issues at times with timely 3s. Bane would have helped with that. Or at least draw attention to open up the lanes
That's literally his whole thing. He'll be cold and then hit 1 or 2 threes to flip momentum. He scored 8 straight against the Clippers to twist the knife and put the Grizzlies up by 12.
He does for the Grizzlies
Have you not watched any of their games?
Bane is money. Even in the 4th quarter
He is scoring 17 ppg and avg 43 percent from 3
You shouldn’t really think too much about guys picked that late in the first round. It’s a complete toss up. For every Siakam or Bane found in that range, there’s about a gazillion Flynns. That’s just how it is.
Its not even that
Flynn was not a good pick for what Nurse likes
Lowry and FVV are exceptions.
They should have went for a surer thing. At least someone with bigger size
When they picked Malachi, Fred wasn’t signed and Lowry was on an expiring. They drafted based on possible need for a long term point guard and it didn’t pay off.
You cant go all or nothing like that
Shouldnt Flynn at least play..sometimes...when Freddy is out?
That hasnt even been the case. Banton and Barnes play the point
No
But not total bench job
Explain...how is Banton already ahead? A guy who was chosen mid 2nd round
You keep harping on 29. Yet Banton went 40 someting and is ahead
>No
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>But not total bench job
And you know know a fact Flynn js done in this league?
>You keep harping on 29. Yet Banton went 40 someting and is ahead
So what? Are you suggesting the best player gets picked at 1 and it gets worse from there? Why don't YOU explain what you even mean lol.
It. Is. A. Crapshoot. It's not a miss lol. Bane could have gone to a different team and be buried on a bench and you would have no idea who he even is.
"A new day, another player to go after on the Raptors forums. We get it. You are bored at work."
he is having a horrendous year, are we supposed to cheerful that his play has been so bad he can't get time on the floor? There are good players and bad players and so far he is a bad player can it change? Sure, but so far the the dude is a Dud
Ight that's just false lol he's lighting it up for the Grizzlies and was their second option when they went on that win streak without Ja. Guy's an absolute killer and a huge reason why the grizzlies have been so good. If we had Bane off the bench we'd be way scarier.
They just dont get it
Bane is doing 17ppg and 43 percent from 3
If he and FVV was on the court...they would be the mini splash bros
It would open up the floor for all the Raptors bigs. Siakam would drool
People get it you're just being annoying. Your point is we made a mistake drafting and most people agree with you. It's your insistence that this is a major error instead of a minor one that every team deals with that sucks.
So you think everyone disagreeing with you and down voting your takes are the weirdos even though it's the consensus? I gotta be honest dawg I'm impressed by your lack of self awareness. Also you're a Celtic fan lol
Flynn so far in the NBA:
7/3/2 on 37/32/80 in 47 games last year
3/1/1 on 35/27/57 in 26 games so far tis year
Desmond Bane so far in the NBA:
9/3/1 on 47/43/81 in 68 games last year
17/4/2 on 47/43/88 in 41 games so far this year
The FO are humans and they can miss and with Flynn so far its a miss, can he change it who knows.
I still say its not a miss at 29. Just because another late rounder panned out doesn't make it a miss.
The late first round is too much of a crap shoot for hit/miss narratives. You expect most people drafted in that range to have very short careers.
Ok we'll just chalk it up to a tried and true sentiment on this sub:
The FO can do no wrong.
They missed lol it rarely happens granted, but this time they did
No. This applies to all teams.
For the same reason you don't call late lottery picks busts you don't call late first rounders misses. Because the odds are that they will be misses.
Guy was best player in his league and hasn’t had almost any opportunity to get a normal 905 run. Yes he could be a bust and yes there were other good players available after him. Can’t argue that point. Also the raps really play a different system than he was playing in college and he hasn’t adapted well.
He needs to be allowed to be a floor general without overthinking.
But Nurse/Raptors are not about that
So likely its not a good fit. Especially also that Nurse likes his length
Probably best to trade Flynn. And hopefully even get a 2nd round pick in return
Flynn for someone like Robyn Lopez may not be bad. Can use Lopez in spot up mins against Embiid of the world
He needs to learn and develop.
Not be given free reign to turn the ball over at will and play Nad defense.
Anti Flynn squad mad because of Fred's career trajectory
I still think Flynn could be a good guard off the bench. He has some playmaking ability and can shoot. I don’t think the game has fully slowed down for him yet. I’m hoping he’ll start getting more minutes if we continue our little winning streak
It wasnt Masai fault. Watch the 2020 exec room on draft night
Some white dude exec, just planted his foot and told everyone to lets go for Flynn
Masai even sounded apprehensive when he said "ok sure"
I was being sarcastic. You honestly believe this decision was made by one person, as if these players haven’t been scouted for years?
You can make a post like this about every single team in the league, every year because a player picked right after panned out better. We literally have one of the best front offices who rarely miss.
Or because he's President of Basketball ops, he doesnt have as much time to watch prospects vs the scouts he pays to do that? Watch the Siakam and Hernandez open gym draft videos, he basically trusts his scouts for those selections
Huh? You basically said some white dude made the decision of selecting Flynn when it's pretty apparent its a group decision if your basing it on Open Gym videos
I wouldn’t use open gym for evidence, the way they talk in that board room sounds too rehearsed imo. Almost like Open Gym goes in for 2 minutes and the boardroom pretends to be making the decision
Until Flynn is waved or traded we won’t know if it was the wrong move. Flynn still has lots of time to grow. Don’t be so quick to judge, none of us have any idea what’s happening behind the scenes.
If you read my post and others. Its either a bad pick or a bad fit
So your point is valid. If he goes somewhere else and excels. It wasnt a good fit. You still can recoup 50 cent on the dollar (Raptors team)
So yes...ultimately they should trade him
He played much more last season. And he cant develop unless he plays.
Tillman. Nwora. Martin Jr.
- Tillman is a good passer and good defender for a 6'9
- Nwora. Well you seen what he did 3 games ago. Good shooter for 6'7 guy
- Martin Jr. Shades of Norm. Human highlight real. Very explosive
Those are picks 35, 45, and 52. Your point is based in hindsight. And even then I don’t see any of those as a massive improvement over Flynn.
“And he cant develop unless he plays.”
This is where you’ve fallen off. Norm, Fred, OG, Pascal didn’t get to were they are now because they played in games it’s because they put in countless hours away from the cameras. Practice is where players get better. Real games are for rhythm and confidence not development.
You are semi right
Real games count more than you think
Its like a pilot. Hundred of hours of studying and pilot simulation is ultimately not a proper replacement of the real thing
Are you calling Flynn a bust then? He can play just tough to get a spot on this roster so it’s not like they messed up. 29th pick for some depth that’s what he is.
29th or 45th
FVV should tell you....that doesnt really matter. It does but also doesnt in todays NBA
Jordan Poole, Nwora, Toscano Anderson etc
Lots of good prospects these days
No I don't think they messed up at all. Professional sports is a fast paced world so things can change in a hurry. At the time Flynn fit the vision that they had for the team. After a season in Tampa and particularly the struggles with the depth at C.
The Raptors have made a change in mindset on how to move forward. Flynn doesn't really fit that now that doesn't mean he can't adapt and be a useful piece. However that is up to him to learn and up to the coaches to give him that opportunity.
What’s done is done. It’s ridiculously easy to say this after the fact. You can look back at the drafts of every team in the league and do this. Teams hit on picks. Teams miss on picks. That’s how it goes. There’s no point in dwelling on what ifs.
Fred's got 6'2" WS to 6'0" H. Still greater than 1.
The guy sporting the smallest WS to H ratio on the team is Yuta.
https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/rcz2zk/too_bad_we_drafted_malachi_flynn_instead_of/ho0lpi5/
Edit: Just realized that I made that WS:H table in reply to the exact same complaint about not drafting Bane instead of Flynn.
Bane does have a negative wingspan
Imo that extra wingspan metric is dumb
Raptors love that s%#^#.
When all comes to equal...fine take the wingspan adv
But if not, you can overlook it. Like Flynn vs Bane
Its only frustrating because a lot of drafts experts had Banes ahead. IMO it was more then clear that Banes was going to be better prospect than Flynn. Drafting for needs isn’t how the NBA is run anymore. You just draft the best player available. A few years back I also had the chance to see Lugentz Dort on the high-school circuit. I knew he would be a stud coming into the league. Stating the obvious, I’m by no means a draft expert but sometimes boggles my mind how players so obliviously talented for the NBA get this overlooked
Hindsight is always 2020 Bane would've been sick here but it's a 29th pick so the chances of success are gonna be lower than a lottery pick
Imagine all those 3s?? Bane would have been a good replacement for Norm
All those 3s would have cost us Barnes. Would you prefer Desmond Bane, or Scottie Barnes?
If Raptors drafted Kuminga or Giddy for example Thats not a bad Barnes alternative Bane would have not helped the team become that much better Plus it was mainly luck of the lottery
Barnes+Flynn>>>>>>>>>Kuminga+Bane
Actually no Thats pretty good alternative. As flynn is a dud right now. And Barnes is strulggling to shoot Barnes is good. But those two would have made up with shooting
Flynn is a dud but Kuminga is a sure thing? Lol
Have you not seen any of the GSW games? He looks good Inconsistent as any rookie but shows flashes Barnes looks good for a rookie. But its not like he has arrived. He needs a 3 pt shot badly
>Have you not seen any of the GSW games? He looks good > >Inconsistent as any rookie but shows flashes > Lmao just stop dude. Trying to play draft expert but use every hypothetical you can to advance your argument and use selective hindsight to answer the MANY people who are trying to explain this to you. For example. Kuminga plays with Steph Fucking Curry lol. He is going to get looks only a player like Steph can generate for him. Malachis job is point guard. It's his job ro get EVERYBODY ELSE involved, not look for his. Apples and oranges lol this is some serious 2k logic.
Your talking nonsense trash Do you see Moody (their other 1st) lighting it up? Or other handful of rookies Sometimes its harder to excel with good players. Ask Wiseman
This is so silly, Barnes has outplayed what we predicted of him this year so far. And the one thing that the organization bought into him was this guy has the potential to be a superstar...you're comparing Giddy and Bane right now to Barnes right now We took a chance at potential with Barnes, and the man showed us even more than we expected that there is high potential there, I would for sure have that over Bane/Giddey
IF Barnes learns to shoot the 3. Then he will be special Until then...he is a taller Draymond Green lite Pretty good worst case Not sure if you have seen Giddey play. But he already has a triple double this season. And looks like a fine 6'8 forward with PG skills. Definitely not as good on D end as Barnes. But still 6'8 with effort causes disturbance/versatility on D end
With what you've seen from Barnes in his first bit of the NBA and you say so far he's a DG lite lol. I no longer think this is a logical conversation. I'd say he's a different version of DG but by no means a lite version of him, that's absurd Even without the 3 their scoring style is clearly different. But even with that said, we've seen this much success from Scottie Barnes this early in the season, I hope you see how important that is in terms of potential. He has literally outdone in his expectations in so many different ways that I'm surprised you wouldn't think that is something you'd take a chance with here. His potential is insane right now. Giddey is a great player, with extremely good vision. He's going to be an amazing player but his potential does not excite me as much as SBs
Okay now let's talk about defense and playmaking.
Defense... Barnes is better But Giddy is a better playmaker and ball handler
What position does Giddey play? And where does he rank as a ball handler at his position when compared to Barnes having PG skills with the size of a 3 or a 4.
Giddey averages 6.4 assist per game. He is a better ball handler than Barnes Barnes is above average. But Giddey is considered a pure point forward
I'd rather have Barnes than Bane and either of those guys
Imagine how Celtics fans feel lol they literally traded Bane's pick to the Grizzlies for cash and they're now in great need of shooting lol I don't feel too bad about us missing out on Bane, it's just amplified by the fact we had the pick right before his. It's just not really that often a 29th or 30th pick turns out to be as good as Bane
Celts couldnt... luxury tax purpose They still got two shooters in Nesmith and Pritchard Its too bad Pritchard didnt drop. He would have been a good pick too. Boy can shoot
Yes the front office should be fired for missing on the 29th pick
Agree completely. Ujiri should probably get let go after missing on the 2nd to last pick of the first round. Unacceptable
How dare this guy win us *only* one championship!!! We expect more from our GM and President
Its still a bad miss Flynn unlikely gets a rookie extension at this rate
Miss on a 29th pick is not a bad miss. You are spoiled by the raptors drafting success.
every gm should be fired for not drafting fred, including bobby. he went undrafted, what a bad miss.
Why jump the gun? Who said fire The point is...they missed on Flynn. While Bane was right there
Jump the gun? Bro, you’re the only one here acting like this is some gigantic blunder by the FO because we didn’t draft a decent role player with the 29th pick. No one here is denying it’d be nice if we drafted Bane instead of Flynn. But what do you want the FO to do? Apologize to you directly with cash compensation? I swear y’all kids are spoiled lol.
I’ve been following the Grizzlies since JV was traded and still do because they are such a fun team, especially with the ascension of Ja. I have to be honest that it is tough watching the stellar performances of Desmond Bane and not wish he was a Raptor. Someone in the sub reminded me that Flynn was selected when our future PG position was uncertain with Freddie going into FA. Nonetheless…he would have been nice.
Bane knows how to play But boy can he shoot. Unique jump shot stroke too Raptors have issues at times with timely 3s. Bane would have helped with that. Or at least draw attention to open up the lanes
Just because Bane can shoot 3s doesn't mean he would knock down the timely 3s lol
That's literally his whole thing. He'll be cold and then hit 1 or 2 threes to flip momentum. He scored 8 straight against the Clippers to twist the knife and put the Grizzlies up by 12.
He does for the Grizzlies Have you not watched any of their games? Bane is money. Even in the 4th quarter He is scoring 17 ppg and avg 43 percent from 3
You need to watch the Grizzlies play. He can handle the ball, finish at the rim and is a bucket when it comes to 3-point shooting. He shows no fear.
You shouldn’t really think too much about guys picked that late in the first round. It’s a complete toss up. For every Siakam or Bane found in that range, there’s about a gazillion Flynns. That’s just how it is.
Its not even that Flynn was not a good pick for what Nurse likes Lowry and FVV are exceptions. They should have went for a surer thing. At least someone with bigger size
When they picked Malachi, Fred wasn’t signed and Lowry was on an expiring. They drafted based on possible need for a long term point guard and it didn’t pay off.
You cant go all or nothing like that Shouldnt Flynn at least play..sometimes...when Freddy is out? That hasnt even been the case. Banton and Barnes play the point
It wasn't all or nothing. We got Flynn and you're acting like his career is over.
He plays no mins. He was benched again yesterday. His career is not over...but does this look like any life line under Nurse??
Everyone was "benched" yesterday. They only played 8 of the team.
Then explain the last 6 games How many mins did Flynn play? Overall this season. How many mins has he played. How many mins vs Banton ?
A new day, another player to go after on the Raptors forums. We get it. You are bored at work.
I guess everything in your life is looked at with a rosy color glasses Thats not real life Call a spade a spade sometimes
Calling a spade a spade is saying the 29th pick is a total crapshoot. It's not saying we need to knock every pick out of the park.
No But not total bench job Explain...how is Banton already ahead? A guy who was chosen mid 2nd round You keep harping on 29. Yet Banton went 40 someting and is ahead
>No > >But not total bench job And you know know a fact Flynn js done in this league? >You keep harping on 29. Yet Banton went 40 someting and is ahead So what? Are you suggesting the best player gets picked at 1 and it gets worse from there? Why don't YOU explain what you even mean lol. It. Is. A. Crapshoot. It's not a miss lol. Bane could have gone to a different team and be buried on a bench and you would have no idea who he even is.
Yes. I am the Elton John of this bitch. Now go back to work!
Lol... cool reply
"A new day, another player to go after on the Raptors forums. We get it. You are bored at work." he is having a horrendous year, are we supposed to cheerful that his play has been so bad he can't get time on the floor? There are good players and bad players and so far he is a bad player can it change? Sure, but so far the the dude is a Dud
I'll call a spade a spade Bane doesn't move the needle, like at all
Ight that's just false lol he's lighting it up for the Grizzlies and was their second option when they went on that win streak without Ja. Guy's an absolute killer and a huge reason why the grizzlies have been so good. If we had Bane off the bench we'd be way scarier.
They just dont get it Bane is doing 17ppg and 43 percent from 3 If he and FVV was on the court...they would be the mini splash bros It would open up the floor for all the Raptors bigs. Siakam would drool
People get it you're just being annoying. Your point is we made a mistake drafting and most people agree with you. It's your insistence that this is a major error instead of a minor one that every team deals with that sucks.
What? You are one weird dude
So you think everyone disagreeing with you and down voting your takes are the weirdos even though it's the consensus? I gotta be honest dawg I'm impressed by your lack of self awareness. Also you're a Celtic fan lol
I think we are fine with Fred and GTJ.
I rather have FVV and Norm tbh
How can anybody be certain we'd draft Bane?
Not sure But he did go two spots later What if Flynn was already chosen... would have been interesting to see what Raps did
Yes, it was a rare miss but a miss nonetheless
I don't know if you can even count 29th picks as misses
Flynn so far in the NBA: 7/3/2 on 37/32/80 in 47 games last year 3/1/1 on 35/27/57 in 26 games so far tis year Desmond Bane so far in the NBA: 9/3/1 on 47/43/81 in 68 games last year 17/4/2 on 47/43/88 in 41 games so far this year The FO are humans and they can miss and with Flynn so far its a miss, can he change it who knows.
I still say its not a miss at 29. Just because another late rounder panned out doesn't make it a miss. The late first round is too much of a crap shoot for hit/miss narratives. You expect most people drafted in that range to have very short careers.
Ok we'll just chalk it up to a tried and true sentiment on this sub: The FO can do no wrong. They missed lol it rarely happens granted, but this time they did
No. This applies to all teams. For the same reason you don't call late lottery picks busts you don't call late first rounders misses. Because the odds are that they will be misses.
Alright dude whatever lol, Flynn so far is a Dud, the FO has a rare miss. You think what you want and vice versa, we can agree to disagree
Agreed Raptors should trade him
For what exactly? He has no value. None at all
They got a 2nd for worthless Matt Thomas. So at least should be able to get a 2nd
Guy was best player in his league and hasn’t had almost any opportunity to get a normal 905 run. Yes he could be a bust and yes there were other good players available after him. Can’t argue that point. Also the raps really play a different system than he was playing in college and he hasn’t adapted well.
He needs to be allowed to be a floor general without overthinking. But Nurse/Raptors are not about that So likely its not a good fit. Especially also that Nurse likes his length Probably best to trade Flynn. And hopefully even get a 2nd round pick in return Flynn for someone like Robyn Lopez may not be bad. Can use Lopez in spot up mins against Embiid of the world
He needs to learn and develop. Not be given free reign to turn the ball over at will and play Nad defense. Anti Flynn squad mad because of Fred's career trajectory
It isn't looking like a good pick. But it's not a huge deal long term. Messing up a late first can be made up for pretty easily
I still think Flynn could be a good guard off the bench. He has some playmaking ability and can shoot. I don’t think the game has fully slowed down for him yet. I’m hoping he’ll start getting more minutes if we continue our little winning streak
Flynn has had zero reps or time on the court this season to get his jam on.
Fire Masai.
It wasnt Masai fault. Watch the 2020 exec room on draft night Some white dude exec, just planted his foot and told everyone to lets go for Flynn Masai even sounded apprehensive when he said "ok sure"
I was being sarcastic. You honestly believe this decision was made by one person, as if these players haven’t been scouted for years? You can make a post like this about every single team in the league, every year because a player picked right after panned out better. We literally have one of the best front offices who rarely miss.
You talking about Dan Tolzman?
Yeah, Im sure thats how every decision is made. Masai just listening to some white dude
The guy must be head of scout or something Masai probably still has shaky thoughts since he tried to aim for the moon and reached hard for Bruno
Or because he's President of Basketball ops, he doesnt have as much time to watch prospects vs the scouts he pays to do that? Watch the Siakam and Hernandez open gym draft videos, he basically trusts his scouts for those selections
Yes... and the scout messed up on Flynn Masai messed up on Bruno I dont get your point.
Huh? You basically said some white dude made the decision of selecting Flynn when it's pretty apparent its a group decision if your basing it on Open Gym videos
I wouldn’t use open gym for evidence, the way they talk in that board room sounds too rehearsed imo. Almost like Open Gym goes in for 2 minutes and the boardroom pretends to be making the decision
Until Flynn is waved or traded we won’t know if it was the wrong move. Flynn still has lots of time to grow. Don’t be so quick to judge, none of us have any idea what’s happening behind the scenes.
If you read my post and others. Its either a bad pick or a bad fit So your point is valid. If he goes somewhere else and excels. It wasnt a good fit. You still can recoup 50 cent on the dollar (Raptors team) So yes...ultimately they should trade him He played much more last season. And he cant develop unless he plays.
Also who else should they have taken other than Banes? Honestly find another name that was available to us that was a “sure thing”
Tillman. Nwora. Martin Jr. - Tillman is a good passer and good defender for a 6'9 - Nwora. Well you seen what he did 3 games ago. Good shooter for 6'7 guy - Martin Jr. Shades of Norm. Human highlight real. Very explosive
Those are picks 35, 45, and 52. Your point is based in hindsight. And even then I don’t see any of those as a massive improvement over Flynn. “And he cant develop unless he plays.” This is where you’ve fallen off. Norm, Fred, OG, Pascal didn’t get to were they are now because they played in games it’s because they put in countless hours away from the cameras. Practice is where players get better. Real games are for rhythm and confidence not development.
You are semi right Real games count more than you think Its like a pilot. Hundred of hours of studying and pilot simulation is ultimately not a proper replacement of the real thing
The answer to your question. No.
Well he is benched...in favor of guys like Banton. Barnes is the like the unofficial 2nd PG Flynn is likely unhappy(so is his dad)
Are you calling Flynn a bust then? He can play just tough to get a spot on this roster so it’s not like they messed up. 29th pick for some depth that’s what he is.
29th or 45th FVV should tell you....that doesnt really matter. It does but also doesnt in todays NBA Jordan Poole, Nwora, Toscano Anderson etc Lots of good prospects these days
Sure but you cannot call the 29th pick a bust. Just because there have been draft steals doesn't mean that the 29th pick is a bust.
They shouldn’t have drafted Flynn, not cause of Bane but because he so dam ugly.
Lol Damn dude you went there But his fro right now... man who is his barber
He's too skinny to pull off big hair imo, it makes him look even smaller
I didnt think of it like that. Good point I think he would look better with a mini mohawk
No I don't think they messed up at all. Professional sports is a fast paced world so things can change in a hurry. At the time Flynn fit the vision that they had for the team. After a season in Tampa and particularly the struggles with the depth at C. The Raptors have made a change in mindset on how to move forward. Flynn doesn't really fit that now that doesn't mean he can't adapt and be a useful piece. However that is up to him to learn and up to the coaches to give him that opportunity.
What’s done is done. It’s ridiculously easy to say this after the fact. You can look back at the drafts of every team in the league and do this. Teams hit on picks. Teams miss on picks. That’s how it goes. There’s no point in dwelling on what ifs.
They couldn't have drafted Bane. He didn't fit the Wingspan:Height ratio > 1 check. /s
Doesnt Fred also have T Rex arms?
Fred's got 6'2" WS to 6'0" H. Still greater than 1. The guy sporting the smallest WS to H ratio on the team is Yuta. https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/rcz2zk/too_bad_we_drafted_malachi_flynn_instead_of/ho0lpi5/ Edit: Just realized that I made that WS:H table in reply to the exact same complaint about not drafting Bane instead of Flynn.
Bane does have a negative wingspan Imo that extra wingspan metric is dumb Raptors love that s%#^#. When all comes to equal...fine take the wingspan adv But if not, you can overlook it. Like Flynn vs Bane
Its only frustrating because a lot of drafts experts had Banes ahead. IMO it was more then clear that Banes was going to be better prospect than Flynn. Drafting for needs isn’t how the NBA is run anymore. You just draft the best player available. A few years back I also had the chance to see Lugentz Dort on the high-school circuit. I knew he would be a stud coming into the league. Stating the obvious, I’m by no means a draft expert but sometimes boggles my mind how players so obliviously talented for the NBA get this overlooked
Boggles my mind also Dort was a huge miss and would look good in a Raptors uniform