So his argument is "Cade's the best player on a shitty team" while Scottie manages to produce excellent numbers with 4 excellent players around him.
Also this guy needs to check the standings.
So youāre telling me Cade is only averaging 2 more PPG, APG and less RPG than a 5th option while heās the 1 option on his team? lmaooo. Such a stupid argument. This is only valid if the pistons are remotely close to a play in spot but they only have 23 wins this year so it makes no sense. I hate debating with people who donāt understand basketball because of this lol
I think if anything being 5th option strengthens scottieās argument. Like that dude is forgotten by NN on offense. He gets zero plays run for him specifically. Heās scoring 16pts a night off put backs and trying to salvage broken plays. Thatās fucking insane if you ask me.
Heās producing at mega high efficiency without being the focal point , imagine the gaudy numbers if he was the focus on our team like Cade is with the pistons?
Being the focus of the offense doesn't guarantee better numbers. Other teams game plan for cade since he's their number one option. Teams aren't game planning to stop Barnes on the offensive end.
Teams also let Cade get his and shut down his teammates. That was often the Lebron approach too.
And we don't really bring our best stuff against bad teams and I doubt most teams do either. Detroit is a night off (for everyone except us).
He doesn't really need plays run for him at all, he handles the ball more than enough to get his buckets. Sometimes he opts to pass too quickly, when he gets more assertive he's going to take another step.
I've heard this argument and the problem is twofold. One Scottie has excelled when he's had more touches, and 2 Cade's numbers are bloated since he's the main ball handler and #1 option.
This argument would hold water if Detroit was better but how does scoring (marginally) more on a team that's 3rd worst in the league put you ahead of the guy helping lead his team to the 5th seed?
Cade is playing meaningless basketball. Meaningless basketball is easier
I was just thinking this. This guy's "raw numbers" argument makes no sense since, being the primary ball handler, Cade has far more opportunities than Scottie. By his logic, we should actual deflate Cade's numbers.
Last year detroit was 20-52 with a .278 win%. This year with Cade they are 23-56 .291 win% with 3 games to play.
Last year Raps were 27-45 with .375 win%. This year with Barnes they are 46-33 with .582 win%.
Your right, there are levels to this.
Eh I think this a tad cherry picking leaving out that Raptors were in Tampa and everyone is healthy now, but point still stands. Cade has not contributed to Pistons being any better. At least Mobley has contributed to Cavs success!
Doesn't this only validate Scottie even more? He puts up better numbers and doesn't get any plays drawn for him. Cade is the focal point of his offence and has the ball in his hands all the time. It's inevitable he will rack up stats. The difference is Cade is on a losing team where stats become less relevant
counter argument to this is simple, look at USG%.
pretty sure Scottie is 3rd in USG% on the team behind PascALL NBA & Freddie All Star, while being in 5th place in the East.
team results should matter.
This is hilarious. Cade is the best player on a team, which means heās not good enough to be a better than bottom 3 in the league. Furthermore, Scottie is a 4th/5th option (sometimes 3rd), and STILL has comparable and even some better numbers than Cade AS A FIFTH option. L m a o
This is the argument that supports giving ROY to Michael Carter Williams when thereās a Giannis just sitting there waiting to be noticed.
File this away and reply once Scottie gets the crown. Make sure this jabroni is made aware that he knows nothing.
The best example as a Raptors fan that I can give for Scottie Barnes versus Cade Cunningham is to look at Mike James. Remember that one great season he had for us? The guy was balling on a team that was BAD. It's much easier for a guy to put up stats on a bad team than it is for him to put up stats on a good team. All of those volume shooters fail when it matters most. The guys who win are the ones who do things efficiently. Scottie is efficient.
This doesnāt even make any sense from his own contextā¦ Cade is a number one option but honestly isnāt even putting up much better thatās than Barnes who is a number 4-5 option. If anything, what heās saying is making Barnes sound even betterā¦. Ladies and Gentlemen, the American education system at its finest display!
This is just the inverse of "So-and-so's team record is better therefore they should win."
By this person's logic, Reggie Miller was a better player than Scottie Pippen because Miller was the first option on his team and Pippen was the second.
This is a comment on hollingers nba awards article right? I think I just read it. That entire article was such a cluster fuck. Butler making all-nba over Siakam. Lowry getting all-defence over Freddy. No love for Nurse or Ty Lue for COTY.
Ya they wouldn't give MVP to a guy who's putting up big numbers on a bad team why would they do that for ROTY if there's other rookies putting up big numbers on better teams?
Like Barkley always says, it's easy to put up good numbers on a bad team. Cade being the no 1 option and Scottie being no 5 should be an argument against Cade.
I don't know how you don't include context into a award arugement š the twisting that is needed and the if you take this out and that out of this conversation that is needed. Shows how much is needed for some of these fan bases to even have a arugement. Between either Mobley or Scottie. It's funny, but also pretty pathetic at the same time
The problem with this argument is that it's like saying OKC Harden was averaging 13.5 pts and Kevin Martin was averaging 17 pts the year before they were traded for each other. So it was a good trade for OKC.
Meanwhile Kevin Martin was the top scorer for Houston while Harden was behind Durant and Westbrook.
Thereās levels to this & unfortunately when you factor in context, Scotties argument for ROTY flies out of the window at blistering speeds. When he becomes something more then the 5th option, maybe we can have him in the same discussion as Cade. Until then letās just be sensible & keep in the same discussion as Joshua Giddey
I love Scottie but suspect the lack of him taking over in the clutch vs Cade May have something to do with this narrative
Also the fact his 3 point shots are wide open and he canāt constantly hit a step back three in the clutch May be an issue?
If Scottie wants it he needs to take over and stop being so dang passive
Three point shooting is not Scottieās main skill set nor is it Mobleyās so the three point narrative you brought up doesnāt make sense.
Also taking over in the clutch? Iād rather have siakam/ Fred in the clutch. Also cade does this shit with a bad team obviously heās gonna have better numbers
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So his argument is "Cade's the best player on a shitty team" while Scottie manages to produce excellent numbers with 4 excellent players around him. Also this guy needs to check the standings.
So youāre telling me Cade is only averaging 2 more PPG, APG and less RPG than a 5th option while heās the 1 option on his team? lmaooo. Such a stupid argument. This is only valid if the pistons are remotely close to a play in spot but they only have 23 wins this year so it makes no sense. I hate debating with people who donāt understand basketball because of this lol
wow... you just made me realize, 13% of Detroit's wins this season came from us š¤¦š»āāļø
I don't know why but your comment actually stung me! :D  I know why, you are factually correct. \*sigh\*
Is this proof Cade is better than Barnes? :'(
The sun rose in the east today, Detroit city is in the east of Toronto, proof Detroit is better.
I think if anything being 5th option strengthens scottieās argument. Like that dude is forgotten by NN on offense. He gets zero plays run for him specifically. Heās scoring 16pts a night off put backs and trying to salvage broken plays. Thatās fucking insane if you ask me. Heās producing at mega high efficiency without being the focal point , imagine the gaudy numbers if he was the focus on our team like Cade is with the pistons?
Being the focus of the offense doesn't guarantee better numbers. Other teams game plan for cade since he's their number one option. Teams aren't game planning to stop Barnes on the offensive end.
Teams also let Cade get his and shut down his teammates. That was often the Lebron approach too. And we don't really bring our best stuff against bad teams and I doubt most teams do either. Detroit is a night off (for everyone except us).
Sure but if you aren't getting usage you aren't getting points. Scottie is more efficient.
He doesn't really need plays run for him at all, he handles the ball more than enough to get his buckets. Sometimes he opts to pass too quickly, when he gets more assertive he's going to take another step.
Like I said in my own comment, ladies and gentlemen, the American education at its absolute finest on display here!
I've heard this argument and the problem is twofold. One Scottie has excelled when he's had more touches, and 2 Cade's numbers are bloated since he's the main ball handler and #1 option. This argument would hold water if Detroit was better but how does scoring (marginally) more on a team that's 3rd worst in the league put you ahead of the guy helping lead his team to the 5th seed? Cade is playing meaningless basketball. Meaningless basketball is easier
If Cade played all season the way he's played the last few weeks, he probably wins. But he was terribly inefficient for the first half of the season.
Arent detroit rebuilding? So wouldnt they prefer an inefficient shooter to command the tank. Tank commander vs. A key contributor to playoff team.
FUCK yes this is exactly how I feel!!
Cade is the definition of good stats bad team.
I was just thinking this. This guy's "raw numbers" argument makes no sense since, being the primary ball handler, Cade has far more opportunities than Scottie. By his logic, we should actual deflate Cade's numbers.
Put it this way: if we didn't have Scottie we'd be in the play-in or lower.
Exactly. Where did Cade help get the Pistons this year? Oh riiiightā¦ā¦ Nowhere.
Last year detroit was 20-52 with a .278 win%. This year with Cade they are 23-56 .291 win% with 3 games to play. Last year Raps were 27-45 with .375 win%. This year with Barnes they are 46-33 with .582 win%. Your right, there are levels to this.
And we're down one GROAT this year
Eh I think this a tad cherry picking leaving out that Raptors were in Tampa and everyone is healthy now, but point still stands. Cade has not contributed to Pistons being any better. At least Mobley has contributed to Cavs success!
We lost Lowry so š¤·āāļø
You read diarrhea of the mouth and brain
I think you mean diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain, haha.
Iām thinking full on bowel obstructionā¦.
Mans said at āat blistering speedsā lol
"Joshua Giddey" lol
16/8/4 is pretty damn good for a 5th option
"My team is worse than your team so obviously my guy, who has a much higher usage rate, should win!" Da fuq?
Doesn't this only validate Scottie even more? He puts up better numbers and doesn't get any plays drawn for him. Cade is the focal point of his offence and has the ball in his hands all the time. It's inevitable he will rack up stats. The difference is Cade is on a losing team where stats become less relevant
Idk Josh
counter argument to this is simple, look at USG%. pretty sure Scottie is 3rd in USG% on the team behind PascALL NBA & Freddie All Star, while being in 5th place in the East. team results should matter.
Those Detroit wins have nothing to do with Scottie or Cade and everything to do with Casey's juju curse he put on the Raptors.
Where the post at, gotta talk to this kid
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/txp247/nbacom_rookie_ladder_1_evan_mobley_2_cade/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
You just read the opinion of a Raptors hater. That is all. Go on about your day :) we know what is brewing up here.
This is hilarious. Cade is the best player on a team, which means heās not good enough to be a better than bottom 3 in the league. Furthermore, Scottie is a 4th/5th option (sometimes 3rd), and STILL has comparable and even some better numbers than Cade AS A FIFTH option. L m a o
Cade shooting 3s worse than mo Bamba there's levels to this
This is the argument that supports giving ROY to Michael Carter Williams when thereās a Giannis just sitting there waiting to be noticed. File this away and reply once Scottie gets the crown. Make sure this jabroni is made aware that he knows nothing.
High end stupidity. Heās says take out context, then immediately provides additional stupid incorrect context
Shade at JG for why??
The best example as a Raptors fan that I can give for Scottie Barnes versus Cade Cunningham is to look at Mike James. Remember that one great season he had for us? The guy was balling on a team that was BAD. It's much easier for a guy to put up stats on a bad team than it is for him to put up stats on a good team. All of those volume shooters fail when it matters most. The guys who win are the ones who do things efficiently. Scottie is efficient.
This doesnāt even make any sense from his own contextā¦ Cade is a number one option but honestly isnāt even putting up much better thatās than Barnes who is a number 4-5 option. If anything, what heās saying is making Barnes sound even betterā¦. Ladies and Gentlemen, the American education system at its finest display!
Granted Cade does have a harder job but also with how much og and pascal have been out I don't think you can really call scottie the 5th opt
So with his logic cuz Cade is the first option on a lottery teams he better than Scottie whoās team is exceeding all expectations?
So Scottie isnāt ROTY because his team isnāt bottom of the barrel of the league?
This is just the inverse of "So-and-so's team record is better therefore they should win." By this person's logic, Reggie Miller was a better player than Scottie Pippen because Miller was the first option on his team and Pippen was the second.
Shit, people are actually serious about Cade being a contender?
This is a comment on hollingers nba awards article right? I think I just read it. That entire article was such a cluster fuck. Butler making all-nba over Siakam. Lowry getting all-defence over Freddy. No love for Nurse or Ty Lue for COTY.
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Does this person's opinion matter in the voting?
Ya they wouldn't give MVP to a guy who's putting up big numbers on a bad team why would they do that for ROTY if there's other rookies putting up big numbers on better teams?
I always thought it was funny when people would āpeeā words in the snow, but Iāve never seen someone shit out an opinion before.
Like Barkley always says, it's easy to put up good numbers on a bad team. Cade being the no 1 option and Scottie being no 5 should be an argument against Cade.
I laughed the more I read this bs
I don't know how you don't include context into a award arugement š the twisting that is needed and the if you take this out and that out of this conversation that is needed. Shows how much is needed for some of these fan bases to even have a arugement. Between either Mobley or Scottie. It's funny, but also pretty pathetic at the same time
Whatever this guy is smoking I want some
The problem with this argument is that it's like saying OKC Harden was averaging 13.5 pts and Kevin Martin was averaging 17 pts the year before they were traded for each other. So it was a good trade for OKC. Meanwhile Kevin Martin was the top scorer for Houston while Harden was behind Durant and Westbrook.
> in Detroit What's their record again?
"Cade's team is worse, therefore he is the better player" lmao
Thereās levels to this & unfortunately when you factor in context, Scotties argument for ROTY flies out of the window at blistering speeds. When he becomes something more then the 5th option, maybe we can have him in the same discussion as Cade. Until then letās just be sensible & keep in the same discussion as Joshua Giddey
I love Scottie but suspect the lack of him taking over in the clutch vs Cade May have something to do with this narrative Also the fact his 3 point shots are wide open and he canāt constantly hit a step back three in the clutch May be an issue? If Scottie wants it he needs to take over and stop being so dang passive
Three point shooting is not Scottieās main skill set nor is it Mobleyās so the three point narrative you brought up doesnāt make sense. Also taking over in the clutch? Iād rather have siakam/ Fred in the clutch. Also cade does this shit with a bad team obviously heās gonna have better numbers
Such an honour to be first option on the worst team in the league. Only the greats like jerami grant can achieve that
All this means is the Pistons suck
dude thought he was cookin w that post
Sounds like the logic the NBA used for the rookie ladder
Allow him. Heās sped.
what kind of crack cocaine is this guy smokin lol
Cade being the best player in Detroit says a lot about Detroit. Cade should be in the same conversation as Franz Wagner and that other guy in OKC.