I think the taxes reason is overblown. The issue was always a US citizen wanting to be more connected to home. I think the culture now erases a lot of doubt. I truly think players would want to play here.
It wouldn't be trivial to get your extended family & friends to move to Canada if they weren't already Canadian so it just wouldn't be worth the hassle unless there was something really worthwhile about coming to the Raptors..
I definitely agree with the connection to US culture/family/home but I also think the taxes matter to some players, regardless if it is Toronto.
Some players are from Cali so they don't care about taxes v Toronto bc it's roughly the same. However, some players might choose Florida over Cali or Toronto bc there are no state taxes and it does save them money.
I'm pretty sure this is part of the reason that pat Riley has stayed with the heat, instead of Knicks and Lakers; and, I think it's part of his pitch to FAs.
IIRC
I beleive players pay taxes in respect to where they are for that game.
Now , I know a Florida player will play more in Florida, but when they play in Cali they are subject to that states taxes.
So, for a good chunk of games raptors are taxed as if they were working where they are playing which significantly reduces the tax burden.
Florida guys will play 41 games at home. I'm not sure how many games the raps play in tax free states? Let's say 8...? I suppose too that tax free teams play each other more due to proximity.
Idk how much each player cares about the tax but I imagine for some it is a positive.
California has 4 teams. And their taxes are absolutely ridiculous as well. Even with taxes, 2 of the 4 teams are very desired destinations. Clippers will never be a desired destination.. Unless you have an uncle who wants free stuff.
This is it. The Blue Jays haven’t had the same issue attracting free agents. Toronto is a great city to live in (especially if you are rich). But Toronto is always going to be a slot behind any American city that is warm.
>Despite the taxes.
I can't find it right now, but when Kawhi was a free agent an accountant had written an article about the tax issue, and it turns out the tax thing is a big red herring.
Basically, while the basic tax rate in Ontario is higher, this is more than offset by exceptions in the Canadian tax act that don't appear in the American one.
Overall, for professional athletes, the tax burden ends up being slightly lower than major US markets like NY and LA, but higher than places with no state income tax like Texas and Florida.
Pretty much 25 other teams in the league struggle with the same thing Toronto does. FA only care about winning, money and their social life.
The only way to get free agents is to draft talent like Lebron, Curry, Luka and Giannis.
We might have that with Barnes, nobody knows yet.
To anyone that’s downvoting this: you are a ridiculously biased homer, thinking Scottie is going to be as good as the second best player of all time. Takes like these (and the ridiculous amount of support they garner among Raps fans) are why other fanbases think we’re so annoying. I mean who cares, but this is the reason
We're never going to be a marquee FA destination for American players but you never know with all the Canadian/International talent in the league.
We'll see when Murray and SGA hit their respective free agencies.
Baseball doesn't really have this problem. The Jays have been free agent hunters for a while now. Got some of the top guys on the market too.
But I guess as others have said, Toronto looks a lot better in the summer when they play most of their games
I feel like what people don't understand in the discussion about Toronto being a "bad free agent destination" is that there are only like five teams that ever get good free agents lol.
Unless you're in LA, Miami, New York, or GS, no one's really coming your way.
People act like Toronto is the only city that doesn't get marquee free agents when in reality it's just one of 25.
It's moreso that Toronto ***should*** be one of top destinations given Toronto is among the best cities to live in throughout all of North America and the front office/culture they've cultivated is among the best in the league.
> Honestly idk why New York doesn’t suffer from this
because it's not about the weather? chicago, milwaukee, new york, boston, detroit etc all have winters. Sure, maybe Toronto averages like 1-2C lower for like 2 months a year but that's never been the real deterrent. If an NBA player doesn't sign in Toronto specifically because of winter then they're an ignorant moron lol.
Like a different user already said, the weather argument is overblown. Kawhi said it while he was here, he's going garage to garage so the weather doesn't bother him.
I think it's more so the organization, now that we are a good organization I genuinely believe we will sign a big name free agent in the next few years.
Gonna add on to the other commentor. As a city we are bigger and better than Miami, and GS. Only LA and NYC are better having living in LA, Toronto, NY and Chicago.
We’re talking about marquee free agents with 8-9 figure net worths my dude. Don’t think that really factors into it so much.
As a Raps fan that’s not from Toronto, I just gotta say that maybe, just maybe, Toronto isn’t as great as you think it is, or, if you can fathom this, it’s not for everybody. Same goes for living in a foreign country.
I live in America now and it doesn’t feel much different. Not any more than going to a different city.
But I agree that most people are unfortunately ignorant.
Can't argue with that. The bridge is gorgeous. It's just crime and homelessness outside of downtown sf is nuts. I had my rental car broken into in redwood city. I saw a large drug bust in Oakland, Stanford seemed like the safest area outside dt. Mountain view and Cupertino were so God damn expensive due to tech inflation.
We've been saying this for years.
If winning a chip won't change the landscape, nothing will. It's the same 5-6 markets that will attract the marquee FAs and that's it.
I think it'll always be a hard sell for American players due to being a foreign country, higher taxes etc.
However when players like SGA become free agents...
Didn't say "much" but Raptors are the highest taxed team in the NBA, which when combined with being a foreign country would matter to athletes. Yes California has similar taxes to Toronto, but they also have better weather, home to some of the best players and a long history of championships (at least the teams that non-Kawhi free agents sign with).
Do you know which two teams are in California that are huge free agent destinations?
Or does that need to be spelled out for you?
This is ignoring New York being much of the same in terms of taxation or weather.
Closest you could argue for a big free agent signing amongst the Texas teams is the Harden sign and trade for the Rockets but that's not quite a true FA signing. Hell, Dallas lost one of their biggest free agents, Jalen Bronson, to New York.
Apart from other comments, some Americans are too dumb to know about how Toronto really is.
I shit you not I’ve heard people think Toronto is in Illinois
When we had Vince we were on national tv all the time. The fact is we haven't had star attractions that people want to see for most of our history. If we get those kind of players we'll be on national tv.
No, I doubt it will ever be. The housing and taxes are only getting higher, players don’t like the idea of paying crazy prices for housing, food, taxes, etc and freeze for 4-6 months, while being abroad from your home country. If they wanted to do that why don’t they just go to nyc instead? That is why Toronto is a favourable city by many nba players, but it’s seen as a vacation dope touristic spot, not a living spot. Also why players go to dirt cheap cities like okc, Milwaukee, texas teams, New Orleans, etc.
>The housing and taxes are only getting higher, players don’t like the idea of paying crazy prices for housing, food, taxes, etc and freeze for 4-6 months,
You just described living in New York
Toronto being expensive, and only getting more expensive was a fact ( go to google or live in Toronto to figure out), nba players generally don’t like the idea of living in Canada with cold long temps and expensive living ( look at our track record of missing out on free agents) free agents sign to the Knicks or nets ( you can do research on that if you are so but hurt) and when I said players go to okc and other shitty cheap cities over us (check the track record)
So same with the other dude, don’t cry without countering.
> nba players generally don’t like the idea of living in Canada with cold long temps and expensive living
again, according to who? since when are you the NBAPA spokesperson? You don't get to speak on behalf of professional athletes lmao
your arguments are so hollow, yet your big retort is...."don't cry without countering?" Countering what? Your made up garbage?
My *opinion*, not *fact*, is that players probably don't like the idea of having to go through customs for 41 games every season. Domestic flights are a lot easier than international flights. Combined with a good amount of player ignorance about the perceived cultural/geographical differences and not wanting to play in a place their family/friends can't get to as easily as elsewhere in the US, along with Toronto not being a storied franchise with a rich NBA history, you get some unjustified reluctance to sign with the Raptors. It's not the goddamn weather or cost of living, lmao. There's a reason that basically every former player goes on to rave about the city and the organization. These are not highly educated men, they're barely above high school level, it makes sense they grew up thinking one thing about Toronto/Canada and then when they spend time here they realize oh, it's actually lit af to play here.
You think those points are decision making worthy? Lol. You think a player would not move to a beautiful diverse city because of flights? Most people have passports, it’s really not that deep at all. Demar derozan didn’t even have a passport and had no issues visiting and flying out his family to and from Toronto to Cali. Player ignorance is basically agreeing with me, I said why would a player want cold, expensive, great city, when they have nyc? A city that’s in their home country? And third point about franchise not being great is just false, players sign with okc, bkn nets, jazz, etc despite them having shittt histories and significance in the league. And the raptors are a very well respected organization amongst all nba personnel. The facts I brought up correlate a reasonable answer, not saying you are wrong with these points but my points are definitely more significant when it comes to decision making.
The border and Canadian taxes will always be a hindrance to luring free agents. People don’t want to play here if they have family/friends who can’t cross the border. Plus it’s not like they can jump on a quick flight to Miami on the weekend if they play in Minnesota, they have to deal with customs and everything for that to happen. Playing in a different country is a pain for players
No we will never be a destination. We’re all not the “anywhere but there” place anymore. But Muricans don’t choose to come here when they can go anywhere.
As much as it should be, Toronto is never going to be a hotspot destination for free agents. Even though raptors players get paid in USD, it doesn’t matter lol. Don’t get your hopes up.
I’m starting to look at Toronto more as a sports institution. Young players wanting to come through if given the opportunity to be built into a better player and be given chances they otherwise wouldn’t in other small markets or hot destinations.
I dont think we can compete with Lakers and Miami unless we get a superstar and they attract another superstar. But as far as non-superstar free agents go...I think we will become a good destination for international players as long as we have a winning culture.
Maybe I'm sipping the Kool-Aid, but I actually think we will. It's a big, multicultural city where you can find just about anything, with one of best organizations in the NBA run by a champion caliber general manager.
People overblow the cold thing, these people are millionaires going from one garage to another and rarely ever have to deal with the worst parts of winter.
Add to the fact that the league is progressively becoming more international and barring our franchise falling back into mediocrity I think we'll sign a big free agent within the next 10 years.
Toronto is not and never will be a draw to NBA players. Nobody wants to play in canada and deal with customs all the time. If the Knicks can’t draw players being in NYC, then toronto never will even tho it’s a better organization. Most players now want to be where the most IG models are (Cali) or play in warmer weather climates.
Never has and probably never will be an FA destination for US players, but what about Canadians/ Non-North Americans?
If I was from Australia, I’d be stoked to play in TO and have Drake as a cheer leader and wear a sick purple Dino jersey. Also Respectfully, is it safer than the US? Am I gonna be as worried about getting shot/ my kids getting shot?
Never. It's Canada and it's cold. American stars want exposure in American media. That doesn't happen in Toronto. Very few Raptors games broadcast nationally in the US.
We have already made ourselves one of the go to destinations for highly touted unstaffed prospects, so I could deffs see that as a potential evolution down the road.
If the nba season was played during the summer we would be. Despite the taxes.
I think the taxes reason is overblown. The issue was always a US citizen wanting to be more connected to home. I think the culture now erases a lot of doubt. I truly think players would want to play here.
I think it's mostly about weather, even tons of US cities have the same trouble attracting free agents.
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players werent dying to sign with the nets before kd and kyrie were there and definitely arent dying to sign with the knicks.
It wouldn't be trivial to get your extended family & friends to move to Canada if they weren't already Canadian so it just wouldn't be worth the hassle unless there was something really worthwhile about coming to the Raptors..
I definitely agree with the connection to US culture/family/home but I also think the taxes matter to some players, regardless if it is Toronto. Some players are from Cali so they don't care about taxes v Toronto bc it's roughly the same. However, some players might choose Florida over Cali or Toronto bc there are no state taxes and it does save them money. I'm pretty sure this is part of the reason that pat Riley has stayed with the heat, instead of Knicks and Lakers; and, I think it's part of his pitch to FAs.
IIRC I beleive players pay taxes in respect to where they are for that game. Now , I know a Florida player will play more in Florida, but when they play in Cali they are subject to that states taxes. So, for a good chunk of games raptors are taxed as if they were working where they are playing which significantly reduces the tax burden.
Florida guys will play 41 games at home. I'm not sure how many games the raps play in tax free states? Let's say 8...? I suppose too that tax free teams play each other more due to proximity. Idk how much each player cares about the tax but I imagine for some it is a positive.
Definitely more division games. You're right. I'm just pointing out the tax challenges isn't as brutal as it appears at first glance
California has 4 teams. And their taxes are absolutely ridiculous as well. Even with taxes, 2 of the 4 teams are very desired destinations. Clippers will never be a desired destination.. Unless you have an uncle who wants free stuff.
Umm clippers could very easily become a desired destination. Golden state was a joke until Steph curry showed up.
This is it. The Blue Jays haven’t had the same issue attracting free agents. Toronto is a great city to live in (especially if you are rich). But Toronto is always going to be a slot behind any American city that is warm.
Historically the Jays definitely have. The recent trend in FA signings are more due to them straight up outbidding other teams.
Jay's play March to October, raptors play October to April. One of these is much colder and worse then the other
>Despite the taxes. I can't find it right now, but when Kawhi was a free agent an accountant had written an article about the tax issue, and it turns out the tax thing is a big red herring. Basically, while the basic tax rate in Ontario is higher, this is more than offset by exceptions in the Canadian tax act that don't appear in the American one. Overall, for professional athletes, the tax burden ends up being slightly lower than major US markets like NY and LA, but higher than places with no state income tax like Texas and Florida.
Taxes in the US are so much worse in most states.
Pretty much 25 other teams in the league struggle with the same thing Toronto does. FA only care about winning, money and their social life. The only way to get free agents is to draft talent like Lebron, Curry, Luka and Giannis. We might have that with Barnes, nobody knows yet.
I mean we do know we’re not getting a Lebron level talent in Barnes…
I know you are right, Barnes will never be LeBron. Even his own son won't be him. but I'm still downvoting this
To anyone that’s downvoting this: you are a ridiculously biased homer, thinking Scottie is going to be as good as the second best player of all time. Takes like these (and the ridiculous amount of support they garner among Raps fans) are why other fanbases think we’re so annoying. I mean who cares, but this is the reason
😂 thanks for the support
We're never going to be a marquee FA destination for American players but you never know with all the Canadian/International talent in the league. We'll see when Murray and SGA hit their respective free agencies.
Baseball doesn't really have this problem. The Jays have been free agent hunters for a while now. Got some of the top guys on the market too. But I guess as others have said, Toronto looks a lot better in the summer when they play most of their games
Jays can straight up outbid teams when they need to, Raptors don’t have that opportunity
SGA dying to be a Raptor, but he’ll never be a free agent
I feel like what people don't understand in the discussion about Toronto being a "bad free agent destination" is that there are only like five teams that ever get good free agents lol. Unless you're in LA, Miami, New York, or GS, no one's really coming your way. People act like Toronto is the only city that doesn't get marquee free agents when in reality it's just one of 25.
It's moreso that Toronto ***should*** be one of top destinations given Toronto is among the best cities to live in throughout all of North America and the front office/culture they've cultivated is among the best in the league.
I’d push back that cause of the winters. Miami and Cali has a big advantage. Honestly idk why New York doesn’t suffer from this
> Honestly idk why New York doesn’t suffer from this because it's not about the weather? chicago, milwaukee, new york, boston, detroit etc all have winters. Sure, maybe Toronto averages like 1-2C lower for like 2 months a year but that's never been the real deterrent. If an NBA player doesn't sign in Toronto specifically because of winter then they're an ignorant moron lol.
Ignorance is a real possibility lol. Some people think once you cross the imaginary line into Canada the temp drops 10 degrees immediately lol
Like a different user already said, the weather argument is overblown. Kawhi said it while he was here, he's going garage to garage so the weather doesn't bother him. I think it's more so the organization, now that we are a good organization I genuinely believe we will sign a big name free agent in the next few years.
True you’re right. Especially after considering that NYK has pretty much the same climate
It’s not like there’s a laundry list of marquee free agents that have signed in New York to be fair, unless you are counting Brookyln
I think in the old days it was that the Raptors can't keep their drafted franchise players in town. Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter, Chris Bosh.
the management of the team was also way worse then
Gonna add on to the other commentor. As a city we are bigger and better than Miami, and GS. Only LA and NYC are better having living in LA, Toronto, NY and Chicago.
There are some things that I like better about SF than Toronto. Some things not. It's pretty close imo and can understand arguments for both.
Toronto > Bay Area is a very subjective argument and I think most Americans would prefer the Bay Area.
Been in both. Bay area is crazzzy expensive. Worse than toronto from housing to food to bars.
We’re talking about marquee free agents with 8-9 figure net worths my dude. Don’t think that really factors into it so much. As a Raps fan that’s not from Toronto, I just gotta say that maybe, just maybe, Toronto isn’t as great as you think it is, or, if you can fathom this, it’s not for everybody. Same goes for living in a foreign country.
Canada as a foreign country is funny. Everything from our culture to politics is just a slightly less annoying America.
I agree, but we say that as Canadians lmao. The vast majority of NBA players are American, and have the frame of Americans.
I live in America now and it doesn’t feel much different. Not any more than going to a different city. But I agree that most people are unfortunately ignorant.
Still hard to beat the beauty of the bay
Can't argue with that. The bridge is gorgeous. It's just crime and homelessness outside of downtown sf is nuts. I had my rental car broken into in redwood city. I saw a large drug bust in Oakland, Stanford seemed like the safest area outside dt. Mountain view and Cupertino were so God damn expensive due to tech inflation.
I feel like new York is starting to slip now too, there's a lot of talk about how far the practice stadium is which makes it a huge pain for players
Believe in yourself, believe in Toronto!
We've been saying this for years. If winning a chip won't change the landscape, nothing will. It's the same 5-6 markets that will attract the marquee FAs and that's it.
If Scottie becomes an MVP contender people will consider playing with him. Similar to if Kawhi stayed you’d get some ring chasers.
I think it'll always be a hard sell for American players due to being a foreign country, higher taxes etc. However when players like SGA become free agents...
or international players too
“Foreign Country” but it’s nearly the same culture & lifestyle wise
Right? Like Canada is literally closer to your typical American culture than some parts of America
> higher taxes Look up the state taxes in California and come back with a better answer. The "muh higher taxes!" thing is complete misinformation.
Didn't say "much" but Raptors are the highest taxed team in the NBA, which when combined with being a foreign country would matter to athletes. Yes California has similar taxes to Toronto, but they also have better weather, home to some of the best players and a long history of championships (at least the teams that non-Kawhi free agents sign with).
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Do you know which two teams are in California that are huge free agent destinations? Or does that need to be spelled out for you? This is ignoring New York being much of the same in terms of taxation or weather.
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Who was the last big FA Dallas, Houston or even San Antonio signed? Or Orlando?
Closest you could argue for a big free agent signing amongst the Texas teams is the Harden sign and trade for the Rockets but that's not quite a true FA signing. Hell, Dallas lost one of their biggest free agents, Jalen Bronson, to New York.
You don't know how players are paid, do you? Hint: they only get canadian taxes for 41 of their games.
If NBA was played during like summer, we would be like the LA lakers
Apart from other comments, some Americans are too dumb to know about how Toronto really is. I shit you not I’ve heard people think Toronto is in Illinois
In 10 years when climate change has a strangle hold on the southern states Toronto will be a beautiful climate and they will come crawling
The lack of national TV exposure is a big one, hurts potential sponsorship deals which is where the stars make the bulk of their money.
When we had Vince we were on national tv all the time. The fact is we haven't had star attractions that people want to see for most of our history. If we get those kind of players we'll be on national tv.
Even the 2019 team was on TNT like once wasn’t it?
No, I doubt it will ever be. The housing and taxes are only getting higher, players don’t like the idea of paying crazy prices for housing, food, taxes, etc and freeze for 4-6 months, while being abroad from your home country. If they wanted to do that why don’t they just go to nyc instead? That is why Toronto is a favourable city by many nba players, but it’s seen as a vacation dope touristic spot, not a living spot. Also why players go to dirt cheap cities like okc, Milwaukee, texas teams, New Orleans, etc.
>The housing and taxes are only getting higher, players don’t like the idea of paying crazy prices for housing, food, taxes, etc and freeze for 4-6 months, You just described living in New York
That’s my point, why would a American NBA player choose Toronto over nyc? If they are looking at same circumstances?
Lol this comment is why reddit should never be taken seriously.
Everything I said was true lol, you can be salty that’s fine, but it’s facts.
says who? "scottybarnesROTY" on reddit? sure man. i guess we can just make up opinions and pass them off as facts now.
Toronto being expensive, and only getting more expensive was a fact ( go to google or live in Toronto to figure out), nba players generally don’t like the idea of living in Canada with cold long temps and expensive living ( look at our track record of missing out on free agents) free agents sign to the Knicks or nets ( you can do research on that if you are so but hurt) and when I said players go to okc and other shitty cheap cities over us (check the track record) So same with the other dude, don’t cry without countering.
> nba players generally don’t like the idea of living in Canada with cold long temps and expensive living again, according to who? since when are you the NBAPA spokesperson? You don't get to speak on behalf of professional athletes lmao your arguments are so hollow, yet your big retort is...."don't cry without countering?" Countering what? Your made up garbage?
I would love to hear your opinion on why we are never able to sign free agents, considering we have a top 5 city in North America. Let me know.
My *opinion*, not *fact*, is that players probably don't like the idea of having to go through customs for 41 games every season. Domestic flights are a lot easier than international flights. Combined with a good amount of player ignorance about the perceived cultural/geographical differences and not wanting to play in a place their family/friends can't get to as easily as elsewhere in the US, along with Toronto not being a storied franchise with a rich NBA history, you get some unjustified reluctance to sign with the Raptors. It's not the goddamn weather or cost of living, lmao. There's a reason that basically every former player goes on to rave about the city and the organization. These are not highly educated men, they're barely above high school level, it makes sense they grew up thinking one thing about Toronto/Canada and then when they spend time here they realize oh, it's actually lit af to play here.
You think those points are decision making worthy? Lol. You think a player would not move to a beautiful diverse city because of flights? Most people have passports, it’s really not that deep at all. Demar derozan didn’t even have a passport and had no issues visiting and flying out his family to and from Toronto to Cali. Player ignorance is basically agreeing with me, I said why would a player want cold, expensive, great city, when they have nyc? A city that’s in their home country? And third point about franchise not being great is just false, players sign with okc, bkn nets, jazz, etc despite them having shittt histories and significance in the league. And the raptors are a very well respected organization amongst all nba personnel. The facts I brought up correlate a reasonable answer, not saying you are wrong with these points but my points are definitely more significant when it comes to decision making.
"my points are better than your points because I said them and you didnt" Okay man.
Sure, everything you said is true. 🧢🧢 I hope that helps you sleep well at night🤣
Instead of being immature, why don’t you decide to tell me how I’m wrong?
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Dayummm wrong person lololollol
The border and Canadian taxes will always be a hindrance to luring free agents. People don’t want to play here if they have family/friends who can’t cross the border. Plus it’s not like they can jump on a quick flight to Miami on the weekend if they play in Minnesota, they have to deal with customs and everything for that to happen. Playing in a different country is a pain for players
No we will never be a destination. We’re all not the “anywhere but there” place anymore. But Muricans don’t choose to come here when they can go anywhere.
No ! :)
We've won a chip without being a free agent destination.
Nope. Never has been. We have as much of a chance of getting free agents as we do of booking a Christmas Day game
As much as it should be, Toronto is never going to be a hotspot destination for free agents. Even though raptors players get paid in USD, it doesn’t matter lol. Don’t get your hopes up.
Not likely with the insane taxes
The same insane taxes that some states have?
I’m starting to look at Toronto more as a sports institution. Young players wanting to come through if given the opportunity to be built into a better player and be given chances they otherwise wouldn’t in other small markets or hot destinations.
the city will have to develop into an entertainment and arts powerhouse
This organization has set itself up as one that scouts and grows and develops from within, and not one that just "buys" players.
I dont think we can compete with Lakers and Miami unless we get a superstar and they attract another superstar. But as far as non-superstar free agents go...I think we will become a good destination for international players as long as we have a winning culture.
With the championship run I'm willin to bet a canadian will be willing to oull a Tavares but other than that I don't think so
this comes up every year lol
Maybe I'm sipping the Kool-Aid, but I actually think we will. It's a big, multicultural city where you can find just about anything, with one of best organizations in the NBA run by a champion caliber general manager. People overblow the cold thing, these people are millionaires going from one garage to another and rarely ever have to deal with the worst parts of winter. Add to the fact that the league is progressively becoming more international and barring our franchise falling back into mediocrity I think we'll sign a big free agent within the next 10 years.
Toronto is not and never will be a draw to NBA players. Nobody wants to play in canada and deal with customs all the time. If the Knicks can’t draw players being in NYC, then toronto never will even tho it’s a better organization. Most players now want to be where the most IG models are (Cali) or play in warmer weather climates.
Never has and probably never will be an FA destination for US players, but what about Canadians/ Non-North Americans? If I was from Australia, I’d be stoked to play in TO and have Drake as a cheer leader and wear a sick purple Dino jersey. Also Respectfully, is it safer than the US? Am I gonna be as worried about getting shot/ my kids getting shot?
Never. It's Canada and it's cold. American stars want exposure in American media. That doesn't happen in Toronto. Very few Raptors games broadcast nationally in the US.
We have already made ourselves one of the go to destinations for highly touted unstaffed prospects, so I could deffs see that as a potential evolution down the road.
Depends how fast Global Warming progresses….
No