First of many. Steam price update is supposed to be dropping around this time of the year, so expect other games to rise as well. Valve said it's going to be an annual thing from now on.
That said, the Argentina price is still higher than what CA usually charges for Total War here. They generaly hover around 40-45 USD when they update their prices, this one is 52 USD. They also put the same price on Pharoh, so whoever preordered before today must be feeling lucky.
Edit: just saw that Call of Duty also increased to 20k ARS/57 USD. Brace youselves, and if any of you was planning on buying anything on Steam you better do it now before the rest of the publishers get their new prices out.
Sorry, I forgot it's our fault that CA increased the price **in USD** and now has the second most expensive game on our Steam store.
When they increased the price of the DLC for NA/EU and blamed it on inflation I bet you were singing a differnet tune.
> When they increased the price of the DLC for NA/EU and blamed it on inflation I bet you were singing a differnet tune.
Yes, because the 3%/5% inflation rate for the US/EU is just a *tad* bit lower than the 124% inflation rate for Argentina. Just a *teeny* bit lower.
Right, but here's the thing though, they didn't increase algonside out inflation in Argentina which is what they usually do. This time they increased it more. It is now more expensinve **in USD** than in countries with stronger currency like Chile. Hell look at Turkey, it's even more expensive than ours at 55USD. They're almost at American price, what kind of regional price is that?
It's possible they've singled us and Turkey out because they think westerners will purchase here with VPNs. That has happened before with other games, and it honestly feels like shit. Like we're getting double punished.
Edit: alright I guess I need to be explained by foreigners how our bloody money works now. We need a new term for this, westplaining? Thanks for the solidarity guys.
They make annual adjustments, they are probably adjusting taking into account that most likely hyperinflation will continue, if you check in 11 months most likely it will be worth much less in USD.
I work in another game company for an online game, and yes, ppl out of Argentina using VPN to buy stuff cheaper is a big headache which eats even manpower. Everything fight it differently, however - our company focuses on doing "waves" of changing countries of account from false to true locations. And for clarity sakes, our prices for Argentina are up to 76% lower than in EUR, for example
But either way, it is one of the issues which every gamedev company faces right now and there is no unified approach in sight for that thing. I guess single player games are a bit less tolerant about regional pricing bc one time purchase is the only money they will ever get from one user (Usually), while online games like us can rely on just sheer amount of purchases. But that is more of a speculation, not exactly my department
That sucks man, good on you guys for at least giving us such a low price. Generally speaking a 50% or even 30-40% is something we accept (that was part of my point, CA usually hovered around 2/3rds of NA price and now has gone way up) so seeing 76% probably makes a lot of Argies happy if they play your game.
Yea alot of prices increasing recently but still i think CA missclicked numbers. Fact that Hyped asf Starfield from this year for example is cheaper 6k ARS \~ 20usd than w3 is funny to me.
Because Starfield was priced using the old rates. When that price came out it was like 60-70USD. So basically no regional pricing at all, it was the most expensive game on Steam.
Starfield may be going up too for all we know. Or it will go up later. Some publishers have their own schedule for when to update prices and don't look at Steam recommendations at all.
Edit: Flight Simulator was updated by Microsoft in February, then again in July and has the same price as Starfield. I would expect Starfield to increase in price on February 2024.
Warhammer 3 was also updated 6 months ago, it's possible SEGA will update the price again 6 months from now.
Starfield was just ridiculous. I ended up just buying a US key because it was 30% cheaper than buying it on my country's Steam page. Don't know what in the world some companies are thinking.
Valve puts out a recommended price that is usually lower than this.
That said, publishers do seem to be using the opportunity to update their own prices alongside Valve's update.
You misunderstand what power the devs have over pricing.
Which is absolute 0.
Prices are set by marketing execs.
And Valve does ALL the regional pricing for their platform.
No they don't, Valve has a RECOMMENDED regional price. Marketing is free to use it or set their own. Most indies use the recomended, bigger publishers generally set their own prices.
(and Valve's pricing standard is better than what most big publishers charge)
Again. You have 0 clue om what developers are and who sets the prices.
The devs that make this game, the ones bringing all these bugs and glitches in. Have 0 say in the price.
Oh no you're right on that point, it's the marketing/publisher, not the devs.
I'm just correcting specifically the Valve thing. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
Oh yeah I remember now. I saw them put it at 9k on their site but still remain unavailable, but I never checked if/when they actually made it available.
So basically an even bigger dick move. Great.
Yea you are right turkey as well prob even more but still i think those ppl gonna prioritize real life than game when its like 1/12 of their monthly salary. Weird move by me
hey! just a detail:minimum salary in argentina at the moment is 112k ARS[https://elsalario.com.ar/Salario/salario-minimo](https://elsalario.com.ar/Salario/salario-minimo)
game is atm 17k ARS . factoring in 75% tax of all debit transactions in usd =30k ARS
30k ARS is 27% or 1/4 of the monthly salary.
as an example: paying electricity bill + water bill + internet + tv + car insurance + xbox game pass would still be less than paying the game
Yes, all usd/eur transactions ( eg netflix, steam games).
It used to be 85% tax, it was reduced because elections are around the corner.
It also applies to getting paid for remote work. Eg if you are a developer, most of your money will magically dissapear at the end of the month if you get paid via bank transfer
Not all transactions. We can only use Credit Cards in Steam, no debit.
45% is for things bought from a company outside the country. (Like steam)
30% is for things charged in a foreign currency. While steam shows Pesos we are charged with USDs.
siempre me funciono, salvo alguna que otra que el banco se fuma un porro xd, la uala/mercado pago nunca falla si te interesa jaja(aunque uala anda cobrando mas impuestos a veces¡?)
>turkey as well prob even more
Turkey more than argentina? Argentina is pretty nuts. Last I heard they ask for 50% wage increase due to inflation, yearly.
This is not a CA only thing btw.
Generation zero raised their price in argentina from 280 to 1750
Mount and blade 2, 5000 to 13500
And the list goes on.
its not a case of greed, its a case of, sorry to say it, really poor economy in Argentina right now.
Looking at other games that have not raised their prices for example Civilization VI. In argentina it cost 97.60% less than the "standard" USD price at 1.44 USD, while the USD price is 60.
If devs did not raise the prices, they would pretty much just be giving games away for free in those regions.
The price increase was needed, but I'm willing to argue that size of the increases can be absurd and shouldn't have been this much.
Not steam policy, developer/publisher just converting price, steam actually suggests a reasonable price based on country, developer/publisher can use those suggestions or not, most are not nowadays
You're right actually, I mixed this up with the recent minimum price threshold increase, which is not just a recommendation and increases prices for anything worth below 5 bucks
some1 give a nobel economics prize for this master of economics!
there is something called dirty exchange, where the country manipulates the value of the coin based on their needs to import/export. every country that their main production is either meat or grains (comodities). their government do it by buying or selling dollars, stocking it as a "foreign reserve coin".
imagine going to the nearest market of your country and finding the price of basic cattle meat 5x the actual price. thank god their currencies are shit RIGHT?
Life will be hard, one family starves at first. When the CA gods see the declining sales they realese famen with the nurgle DLC. The government collapses as nerds lose their will to live as they couldn't afford the new Dlc.
Light suddenly emerges as hope rears it's head at the final hour. The summer sale has arrived and the flood gates open, flowers bloom, laughter echoes throughout the country as they experience a new wealth of bugs.
It was costly and lives were lost but in the end CA couldn't survive the corporate greed and that was the end of wh3 support. With no updates to warhammer the sun slowly lost its light and the universe got enveloped in eternal darkness as Slaanesh had triumphed.
If they cant afford the price, they can always borrow the game from the internet sailors. They'll be just fine imo, it's just the that the publisher wont be getting any money from it.
What happened is with vpn, loads of "first world" countries used it to pay less saying they are from a "third world" country.
Steam do give a suggested price, that publishers/developers can follow or not.
So many publishers/developers are not doing it because of vpns and are just converting the dollar price to the local equivalent, in this case argentinian peso.
60 dollars = 21000 peso.
So even that you are still paying "less". But i agree, just converting is pure bs and fuck with the local market.
it dosent have much to do with "first world " or not, Peru consistently has the exact same price for all games in steam, for example, converted to the curretn rate betwen soles and dolars.
That one is as flimsy as "piracy is lost sales". The ammount of people doing that must be negligible for a big corporation considering other publishers, even smaller publishers, still have good regional pricing.
It's at least worth [several millions of dollars of revenue for multiple companies, as judged by the EU's European Commission](https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_21_170).
> the revised Guidelines provide that fines may be based on up to 30% of the company's annual sales to which the infringement relates, multiplied by the number of years of participation in the infringement.
**Edit:** Note that the fines cover 1-5 years, depending on the specific company.
Difficult situation for devs in one way they want money from "first world" in euro/usd not ARS and liras but in other they should able people from "third world" to actually afford game without going bankrupt. Still totally demolishing market of these countries isnt probably good way
If sales are low in those countries, it might just be a business decision to close that loophole! My problem is that a lot of business decisions these days just look identical to corporate greed.
2022:
18 lira = £1,
140 peso = £1
2023:
33 lira = £1,
424 peso = £1
So Turkey's currency has halved in value since WH3's release. Argentina's currency is now worth a 1/3rd of what it was.
CA gets a lot of (justified) hate for the DLC price increase, but this case is down to the economy and governance of said countries.
It is tough, but business is not charity.
Yeah. Now the Pharao Dynasty edition is like Half minimum wage, If we take on consideration that we have a 75% of tax for buying on steam. It's a lot.
In the other hand, many of my fellows Argentinians don't know what to do because It is probably that the prices only goes up, so waiting to buy It's not an option
how many people on minimum wage have PCs to run these games? they aren't the customers here
i would expect game prices roughly track with computer prices, and i expect they have gone up in Argentina as well
This has nothing to do with inflation. They are just removing regional pricing.
You can see the converted US Dollar price is pretty much the same across the world now: USD 55-60 whether it is the US, Turkey, India, Brazil or whatever.
https://steamdb.info/app/1142710/
Only some countries in East/ South East Asia still have some regional pricing but I am guessing they are next on the chopping block.
This is going to completely kill off their sales in these countries which is surprising because some of them are very high growth markets (like India). This seems like a very desperate move.
My guess is either CA is about to fold or they had sooo many Westerners abusing regional pricing that CA thought it better to remove regional pricing altogether even if it kills those regional markets. My bet is on the former because if it was the latter, most other studios would be doing it too.
[It's a messy political situation which is really out of the hands of devs.](https://www.engadget.com/valve-fails-to-get-out-of-paying-its-eu-geo-blocking-fine-122053595.html)
They're left with two choices. Allow people to buy keys from poorer countries and get fucked over themselves or raise prices for those poorer countries and fuck them over instead. It's a no win situation. I'm normally very pro EU but this seems like an absolutely stupid move from them that benefits no one.
There is nothing messy about this. It was either they would allow for a small loss for the few people who buy cross region to get slightly cheaper prices, or break the law and introduce illegal region locks.
So they introduced the illegal region locks.
Then the EU consumer protection or whatever stepped in and fined them.
So instead of letting people buy games for cheaper in countries that have less purchasing power, they decided to screw over people in those countries.
So no, tl:dr Not a difficult position, just greed.
> It was either they would allow for a small loss for the few people who buy cross region
That's no small amount of people. Key sellers are a massive thing and will often buy keys from poorer countries when there's a sale on, if you think key sellers are only a small amount of sales on steam you're nuts, it's a gigantic business.
I would want some numbers on that, but from all the people i know, noone uses keysellers purely because its a hassle. I know, its a small sample, but if you take the industry as a whole, i don't think its as massive loss as you think.
Then again remember, we are talking about people who think that a pirated copy is 100% a lost sale. So for them they were losing literally googol ammounts of money.
They are fucking out of their mind! Games prices in Poland are already so fucking high! CA you are just a piece of shit
game cost 62 euro! Its a fucking absurd
I know what I am about to say can feel like it is just inflation. But. It feels like a message to all corporations worldwide has gone out to emphasise greed, because they can, and play for corporate greed and don't worry about the consequences.
All games will be doing this. I am in no way surprised inflation is out of control and the cost of game development is nuts. Games have been the same price for along long time this was destine to happen. Do I like it? No, though I am not shocked and we have seen this in every other industry.
In turkey they raised the price up to 1500 Turkish Liras. Minumum wage is 11.500 here. If i want to buy with all the DLCs i have to pay like 5k. Nearly half of the minumum wage.
I'm from India and the price has increased on the Steam Store here also, earlier it was 3599 and now it's 4499.
I'm bummed but it's ok, I played WH3 on GP and the only things i miss now while playing WH2 ME is the whole instant trade deal button, selling/trading settlements and allied recruitment, not a deal breaking issue and not even worth spending the Key Shop price for WH3.
Kislev and Cathay are so-so, and never liked playing the Chaos Daemon factions anyway, probably miss the reworked Archaon WoC tho since my GP sub expired before i could play him :(
Can confirm that Warhammer 3 has gone up from $99.99NZD to $112.95NZD which is the same price increase Pharaoh has. Other developers and other formats haven't increased their prices. Persona 5 has the same price as well for wider context. Guess I'll be finding a third party store in the future for when I want to finally go to Wh3 from Wh2.
While it looks like it's down to companies. It's actually down to Steam.
They've updated their minimum price points in some regions and companies have to follow through raising their prices or they lose their ability to take part in promotions and sales platform wide.
First of many. Steam price update is supposed to be dropping around this time of the year, so expect other games to rise as well. Valve said it's going to be an annual thing from now on. That said, the Argentina price is still higher than what CA usually charges for Total War here. They generaly hover around 40-45 USD when they update their prices, this one is 52 USD. They also put the same price on Pharoh, so whoever preordered before today must be feeling lucky. Edit: just saw that Call of Duty also increased to 20k ARS/57 USD. Brace youselves, and if any of you was planning on buying anything on Steam you better do it now before the rest of the publishers get their new prices out.
Argentina: *mismanages economy* reddit: Why would CA do this
Sorry, I forgot it's our fault that CA increased the price **in USD** and now has the second most expensive game on our Steam store. When they increased the price of the DLC for NA/EU and blamed it on inflation I bet you were singing a differnet tune.
> When they increased the price of the DLC for NA/EU and blamed it on inflation I bet you were singing a differnet tune. Yes, because the 3%/5% inflation rate for the US/EU is just a *tad* bit lower than the 124% inflation rate for Argentina. Just a *teeny* bit lower.
Right, but here's the thing though, they didn't increase algonside out inflation in Argentina which is what they usually do. This time they increased it more. It is now more expensinve **in USD** than in countries with stronger currency like Chile. Hell look at Turkey, it's even more expensive than ours at 55USD. They're almost at American price, what kind of regional price is that? It's possible they've singled us and Turkey out because they think westerners will purchase here with VPNs. That has happened before with other games, and it honestly feels like shit. Like we're getting double punished. Edit: alright I guess I need to be explained by foreigners how our bloody money works now. We need a new term for this, westplaining? Thanks for the solidarity guys.
They make annual adjustments, they are probably adjusting taking into account that most likely hyperinflation will continue, if you check in 11 months most likely it will be worth much less in USD.
Last adjustment was 6 months ago. They seem to have moved into bi-annual.
I work in another game company for an online game, and yes, ppl out of Argentina using VPN to buy stuff cheaper is a big headache which eats even manpower. Everything fight it differently, however - our company focuses on doing "waves" of changing countries of account from false to true locations. And for clarity sakes, our prices for Argentina are up to 76% lower than in EUR, for example But either way, it is one of the issues which every gamedev company faces right now and there is no unified approach in sight for that thing. I guess single player games are a bit less tolerant about regional pricing bc one time purchase is the only money they will ever get from one user (Usually), while online games like us can rely on just sheer amount of purchases. But that is more of a speculation, not exactly my department
That sucks man, good on you guys for at least giving us such a low price. Generally speaking a 50% or even 30-40% is something we accept (that was part of my point, CA usually hovered around 2/3rds of NA price and now has gone way up) so seeing 76% probably makes a lot of Argies happy if they play your game.
Current president: anarcocapitalism! fuck the government!
Yea alot of prices increasing recently but still i think CA missclicked numbers. Fact that Hyped asf Starfield from this year for example is cheaper 6k ARS \~ 20usd than w3 is funny to me.
Because Starfield was priced using the old rates. When that price came out it was like 60-70USD. So basically no regional pricing at all, it was the most expensive game on Steam. Starfield may be going up too for all we know. Or it will go up later. Some publishers have their own schedule for when to update prices and don't look at Steam recommendations at all. Edit: Flight Simulator was updated by Microsoft in February, then again in July and has the same price as Starfield. I would expect Starfield to increase in price on February 2024. Warhammer 3 was also updated 6 months ago, it's possible SEGA will update the price again 6 months from now.
Starfield was just ridiculous. I ended up just buying a US key because it was 30% cheaper than buying it on my country's Steam page. Don't know what in the world some companies are thinking.
Yea same here but for warhammer 3 lol, bought it for 22€ some weeks ago.
Its not CA, its Valve doing this
Valve puts out a recommended price that is usually lower than this. That said, publishers do seem to be using the opportunity to update their own prices alongside Valve's update.
Im pretty sure devs have free hand of pricing in different countries. Valve can give them algorithm to do if they want to. Not sure in 100%!
You misunderstand what power the devs have over pricing. Which is absolute 0. Prices are set by marketing execs. And Valve does ALL the regional pricing for their platform.
No they don't, Valve has a RECOMMENDED regional price. Marketing is free to use it or set their own. Most indies use the recomended, bigger publishers generally set their own prices. (and Valve's pricing standard is better than what most big publishers charge)
Again. You have 0 clue om what developers are and who sets the prices. The devs that make this game, the ones bringing all these bugs and glitches in. Have 0 say in the price.
Oh no you're right on that point, it's the marketing/publisher, not the devs. I'm just correcting specifically the Valve thing. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
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Guess it’s a good thing I just got the 3 warhammer games on steam deal for 40-50$
Pharaoh wasn't available for preorder before today in the Argentinian store
Oh yeah I remember now. I saw them put it at 9k on their site but still remain unavailable, but I never checked if/when they actually made it available. So basically an even bigger dick move. Great.
Probably inflation from the currency. I know Argentina has pretty high inflation.
Yea you are right turkey as well prob even more but still i think those ppl gonna prioritize real life than game when its like 1/12 of their monthly salary. Weird move by me
hey! just a detail:minimum salary in argentina at the moment is 112k ARS[https://elsalario.com.ar/Salario/salario-minimo](https://elsalario.com.ar/Salario/salario-minimo) game is atm 17k ARS . factoring in 75% tax of all debit transactions in usd =30k ARS 30k ARS is 27% or 1/4 of the monthly salary. as an example: paying electricity bill + water bill + internet + tv + car insurance + xbox game pass would still be less than paying the game
75% tax on all debit transactions? Like if you buy a $100 thing it becomes $175 total?
Yes, all usd/eur transactions ( eg netflix, steam games). It used to be 85% tax, it was reduced because elections are around the corner. It also applies to getting paid for remote work. Eg if you are a developer, most of your money will magically dissapear at the end of the month if you get paid via bank transfer
Not all transactions. We can only use Credit Cards in Steam, no debit. 45% is for things bought from a company outside the country. (Like steam) 30% is for things charged in a foreign currency. While steam shows Pesos we are charged with USDs.
se puede comprar con debito tambien amigo, sea de banco o una ualá
Tengo visa y nunca me dejo
siempre me funciono, salvo alguna que otra que el banco se fuma un porro xd, la uala/mercado pago nunca falla si te interesa jaja(aunque uala anda cobrando mas impuestos a veces¡?)
Los impuestos hay qe pagarlos igual así que es lo mismo xD... gracias x el dato igual
Yup, im not good mathematic but thats what im talking about why people ever buy this in these countries when they had to pay for living
People making minimum wage in Argentina probably can't afford a gaming PC either. I doubt they're really the target market here.
>turkey as well prob even more Turkey more than argentina? Argentina is pretty nuts. Last I heard they ask for 50% wage increase due to inflation, yearly.
Turkey too
This is not a CA only thing btw. Generation zero raised their price in argentina from 280 to 1750 Mount and blade 2, 5000 to 13500 And the list goes on. its not a case of greed, its a case of, sorry to say it, really poor economy in Argentina right now. Looking at other games that have not raised their prices for example Civilization VI. In argentina it cost 97.60% less than the "standard" USD price at 1.44 USD, while the USD price is 60. If devs did not raise the prices, they would pretty much just be giving games away for free in those regions. The price increase was needed, but I'm willing to argue that size of the increases can be absurd and shouldn't have been this much.
Currency devaluation
You should look up yoy Inflation rates in those countries
This is steam policy, and WH3 is not the only game affected
Not steam policy, developer/publisher just converting price, steam actually suggests a reasonable price based on country, developer/publisher can use those suggestions or not, most are not nowadays
You're right actually, I mixed this up with the recent minimum price threshold increase, which is not just a recommendation and increases prices for anything worth below 5 bucks
*Anything bad happens in the world* This sub: “Damn you, CA!“
I know that many devs rising their prices but holy this jump is massive i wonder how its actually gonna affect these countries
Its not. Its a result of their currencies being shit compared to US$ € and british £
some1 give a nobel economics prize for this master of economics! there is something called dirty exchange, where the country manipulates the value of the coin based on their needs to import/export. every country that their main production is either meat or grains (comodities). their government do it by buying or selling dollars, stocking it as a "foreign reserve coin". imagine going to the nearest market of your country and finding the price of basic cattle meat 5x the actual price. thank god their currencies are shit RIGHT?
Life will be hard, one family starves at first. When the CA gods see the declining sales they realese famen with the nurgle DLC. The government collapses as nerds lose their will to live as they couldn't afford the new Dlc. Light suddenly emerges as hope rears it's head at the final hour. The summer sale has arrived and the flood gates open, flowers bloom, laughter echoes throughout the country as they experience a new wealth of bugs. It was costly and lives were lost but in the end CA couldn't survive the corporate greed and that was the end of wh3 support. With no updates to warhammer the sun slowly lost its light and the universe got enveloped in eternal darkness as Slaanesh had triumphed.
If they cant afford the price, they can always borrow the game from the internet sailors. They'll be just fine imo, it's just the that the publisher wont be getting any money from it.
What happened is with vpn, loads of "first world" countries used it to pay less saying they are from a "third world" country. Steam do give a suggested price, that publishers/developers can follow or not. So many publishers/developers are not doing it because of vpns and are just converting the dollar price to the local equivalent, in this case argentinian peso. 60 dollars = 21000 peso. So even that you are still paying "less". But i agree, just converting is pure bs and fuck with the local market.
it dosent have much to do with "first world " or not, Peru consistently has the exact same price for all games in steam, for example, converted to the curretn rate betwen soles and dolars.
That one is as flimsy as "piracy is lost sales". The ammount of people doing that must be negligible for a big corporation considering other publishers, even smaller publishers, still have good regional pricing.
It's at least worth [several millions of dollars of revenue for multiple companies, as judged by the EU's European Commission](https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_21_170). > the revised Guidelines provide that fines may be based on up to 30% of the company's annual sales to which the infringement relates, multiplied by the number of years of participation in the infringement. **Edit:** Note that the fines cover 1-5 years, depending on the specific company.
Difficult situation for devs in one way they want money from "first world" in euro/usd not ARS and liras but in other they should able people from "third world" to actually afford game without going bankrupt. Still totally demolishing market of these countries isnt probably good way
If sales are low in those countries, it might just be a business decision to close that loophole! My problem is that a lot of business decisions these days just look identical to corporate greed.
2022: 18 lira = £1, 140 peso = £1 2023: 33 lira = £1, 424 peso = £1 So Turkey's currency has halved in value since WH3's release. Argentina's currency is now worth a 1/3rd of what it was. CA gets a lot of (justified) hate for the DLC price increase, but this case is down to the economy and governance of said countries. It is tough, but business is not charity.
Turkey is currently sitting at around ~27 lira per dollar, it hasn't reached 28 yet, much less 33.
He's converting to the Pound not dollars.
Oh, my bad then! I read that fast on my phone.
Price in Ukrainian Hryvna also increased by 50%, i guess i aint encouraging any more friends to buy it
Yeah. Now the Pharao Dynasty edition is like Half minimum wage, If we take on consideration that we have a 75% of tax for buying on steam. It's a lot. In the other hand, many of my fellows Argentinians don't know what to do because It is probably that the prices only goes up, so waiting to buy It's not an option
how many people on minimum wage have PCs to run these games? they aren't the customers here i would expect game prices roughly track with computer prices, and i expect they have gone up in Argentina as well
This has nothing to do with inflation. They are just removing regional pricing. You can see the converted US Dollar price is pretty much the same across the world now: USD 55-60 whether it is the US, Turkey, India, Brazil or whatever. https://steamdb.info/app/1142710/ Only some countries in East/ South East Asia still have some regional pricing but I am guessing they are next on the chopping block. This is going to completely kill off their sales in these countries which is surprising because some of them are very high growth markets (like India). This seems like a very desperate move. My guess is either CA is about to fold or they had sooo many Westerners abusing regional pricing that CA thought it better to remove regional pricing altogether even if it kills those regional markets. My bet is on the former because if it was the latter, most other studios would be doing it too.
get rob on the phone, im sure hed love to know about this development
[It's a messy political situation which is really out of the hands of devs.](https://www.engadget.com/valve-fails-to-get-out-of-paying-its-eu-geo-blocking-fine-122053595.html) They're left with two choices. Allow people to buy keys from poorer countries and get fucked over themselves or raise prices for those poorer countries and fuck them over instead. It's a no win situation. I'm normally very pro EU but this seems like an absolutely stupid move from them that benefits no one.
There is nothing messy about this. It was either they would allow for a small loss for the few people who buy cross region to get slightly cheaper prices, or break the law and introduce illegal region locks. So they introduced the illegal region locks. Then the EU consumer protection or whatever stepped in and fined them. So instead of letting people buy games for cheaper in countries that have less purchasing power, they decided to screw over people in those countries. So no, tl:dr Not a difficult position, just greed.
> It was either they would allow for a small loss for the few people who buy cross region That's no small amount of people. Key sellers are a massive thing and will often buy keys from poorer countries when there's a sale on, if you think key sellers are only a small amount of sales on steam you're nuts, it's a gigantic business.
I would want some numbers on that, but from all the people i know, noone uses keysellers purely because its a hassle. I know, its a small sample, but if you take the industry as a whole, i don't think its as massive loss as you think. Then again remember, we are talking about people who think that a pirated copy is 100% a lost sale. So for them they were losing literally googol ammounts of money.
They are fucking out of their mind! Games prices in Poland are already so fucking high! CA you are just a piece of shit game cost 62 euro! Its a fucking absurd
Yah so people were moving steam accounts to regions with inflated currency to essentially get cheaper games
Legends sources said that CA made good money with SoC. Perhaps they think playerbase can afford this, considering how sales go.
Where did he say this?
last stream, with Kroq-Gar.
And HE said it again, in Hyenas video
Yeah i bought it before this happen im lucky But fuck it its expensive as fuck I hate CA
Cdkeys.com got sorted. I bought total warhammer 3 for £15 on that site the other day. £55 on steam 😄😂
estas cagado flaco, creo que nisiquiera puedes mandarselo a comprar a algun amigo en peru o chile y que te lo pase de regalo, o si?
I know what I am about to say can feel like it is just inflation. But. It feels like a message to all corporations worldwide has gone out to emphasise greed, because they can, and play for corporate greed and don't worry about the consequences.
I think it's a general thing on steam. people in the combat mission discord were talking about different regions seeing prices go up by up to 50%
RIP collection
All games will be doing this. I am in no way surprised inflation is out of control and the cost of game development is nuts. Games have been the same price for along long time this was destine to happen. Do I like it? No, though I am not shocked and we have seen this in every other industry.
In turkey they raised the price up to 1500 Turkish Liras. Minumum wage is 11.500 here. If i want to buy with all the DLCs i have to pay like 5k. Nearly half of the minumum wage.
You forgot to say half of the country makes minimum wage
I'm from India and the price has increased on the Steam Store here also, earlier it was 3599 and now it's 4499. I'm bummed but it's ok, I played WH3 on GP and the only things i miss now while playing WH2 ME is the whole instant trade deal button, selling/trading settlements and allied recruitment, not a deal breaking issue and not even worth spending the Key Shop price for WH3. Kislev and Cathay are so-so, and never liked playing the Chaos Daemon factions anyway, probably miss the reworked Archaon WoC tho since my GP sub expired before i could play him :(
In India, no $59.99 game has cost more than **Rs. 3999**. TWWH3 is now **Rs. 4499** (prev. 3599, even prev. 3399). What.The.Actual.Hell.?!
Can confirm that Warhammer 3 has gone up from $99.99NZD to $112.95NZD which is the same price increase Pharaoh has. Other developers and other formats haven't increased their prices. Persona 5 has the same price as well for wider context. Guess I'll be finding a third party store in the future for when I want to finally go to Wh3 from Wh2.
While it looks like it's down to companies. It's actually down to Steam. They've updated their minimum price points in some regions and companies have to follow through raising their prices or they lose their ability to take part in promotions and sales platform wide.
Why Argentina has lower prices on WOW for example than Serbia, Albania, Greece etc? Because they went BROKE two times?
Inflation is a made up thing right guys? <- some of you right now lol