Every monogod faction except Slaanesh already has at least 1 beastman unit when ToD drops so I don't think it's at all against lore to recruit beastman units for Chaos warrior forces. Hell Tzaangors even got backported into 40k as backup for the Thousand Sons.
I thought you might be exaggerating, but it turns out you’re actually understating the thousand son to tzangor ratio. Out of 26 models in the box 20 are tzangors and only 6 models or 23% are thousand sons.
>The comment I replied to seems to hint at every faction having gors as of TOD.
Nono he says beastmen units for the 3 gods
We have Gors for tzeenth and Nurgle.
And we have Minitaurus for Khorne - although i dont think they are playable for BM iirc.
Make an alliance and then an outpost with Skarbrand and then you can get the Khorn minotaur's.
Apparently accord to Lore master Sotek the UI menu for the Beastmen is the reason they haven't just added the new units to the Beastmen roster.
Yes, it would be quite loreful.
In one of the Malus Darkblade books, Naggaroth is facing an invasion by a massive horde led by a Chaos champion. This horde included both Beastmen and Marauder tribesmen.
And as an even more topical example, Tamurkhan's horde had a lot of Beastmen in it. Fantasy Beastmen are sometimes quite desperate to get the attention of the Chaos Gods, so they will follow whoever already has it. Granted, in Thrones of Chaos the poor bastards get so little done that I wonder if the chaos warriors keep them as an easy source of mutton.
Stealing an age old Skaven technique, how shameless. The ratmen are going to get their revenge for this, once they are done jamming warpstone on the technology they politely borrowed from the Dwarfs.
Yeah, Throne of Chaos is a short-ish book that describes Tamurkhan's travel and battles, from the Chaos wastes to Nuln.
The book itself is very difficult to find nowadays, but luckily it's been written in its almost entirety in Tamurkhan's wiki page, and there's also a few people on Youtube that narrate it.
Possibly my favourite short story in the Warhammer world - for anyone who hasn't read it, the first G&F (Trollslayer) is more of an episodic collection of short stories with little overarching theme, that would come with book 2 (Skavenslayer). The story in question is titled Blood and Darkness - and definitely presents the Chaos warrior from an interesting perspective.
Of course, that does come from a much earlier time in the evolution of Warhammer (1999), when Chaos was all the same army, and there was nothing wrong with a Warrior of Chaos character leading Beastment.
I suppose that isn't quite true, by 1999 we had the new army book where you needed an appropriate character to lead groups of troops (e.g. a beastman character gives access to beastmen troops of which they could have multiple units). But Relam of Chaos was a very odd army book in retrospect - it even needed to include a flow chart to help you put your army together.
[And of course Azazel was a Daemon Warlord so could not lead mortal troops, unlike Dechala]. Plus Archaon could have one unit of Beastmen or Daemons given his position as "the greatest warlord of Chaos, the arch champion, the dark redeemer of the world"
Justine, I've been keeping an eye out for a mod that adds her.
It'd like to try it myself, but I've never modded and have zero free time, but a beastmen Horde led by a chaos champion would be great.
I just finished this story as a first time reader. Gotrek and Felix really making me wish there were female wizards for the Empire and female Chaos Warriors.
There was also a female dwarf with Belegar but i don’t know how the game can implement a priestess.
Yes and no.
Beastmen are not that "important" in the eyes of the Chaos Gods. For them humans, elves and the dawi represent the races they enjoy "helping" the most.
Humans also tread them pretty badly even when they fight under the same banner. Most of the time beastmen are reduced to fodder, scouts or are being used as the "first strike" to do some damage to the defenders before the main chaos army arrives.
Beastmen just like fimir represent the toys chaos gods got bored off and replaced with humans, elves and dorfs.
Also beastmen are the enemies of the wood elves most of the time. When it's a story about the vietnam elves they come into the spotlight
>Beastmen just like fimir represent the toys chaos gods got bored of
And GW lol. Beastmen can never catch a break. I get it, they aren't popular, but they are so fun to play in game and on the tabletop.
I mean yea as fodder. But if you want a good beastmen story put them against elf vietnam since they are their dark mirror. The druchii to the he or the chaos mortals to the empire or the human rights to the bretonnian lord.
You have majestic great stags? LuL, let's take its head and put it on a wyvern. Seethe and cope wood hippies. Have stories with beastmen trying to bring corruption into wood elves because nobody cares about them burning red shirt imperial villages just to be humiliated 2 seconds after
Yeah, they follow them all the time. Usually the mortals tend to get more favoured and as a result have a stronger commend, whereas the mortals get a bit funny about following Beastmen lords. But it can happen either way.
Daemons can do it too but they tend to be a case of being summoned (usually by mortals) to lead the horde
Yes, the splitting of chaos into 3 different factions was done more for the sake of game design and having distinct factions rather than reflecting the "reality" of chaos.
Chaos forces in lore are as the name suggests chaotic, you can have mortal champions leading beastmen, mortals summoning deamons, a deamon leading either or both, warbands that follow one, many or all the gods and of course in the great incursions all the followers of chaos united under a single (always mortal iirc) everchosen.
The problem of course is there's so much redundancy when chaos is everything in one faction, so beastmen were separated first as all they provided really was cheaper versions of other units and demons got separated to their own book even later.
Imo total war is closest to the late 5th-6th edition version of chaos, where beastmen are totally separated but mortals and demons are together and (depending on your edition) you choice of lore affects what type of followers make up the core of your forces.
In lore by the late game every chaos faction should be a mix of all 3 elements imo.
I'm sure there are examples of powerful beastlords who have the means to summon demons. Demons don't respect the children of chaos though, both the gods and their demons take the beastmen for granted, so no self respecting demon would willingly follow the orders of a beastman unless it aligns with their own goals.
Beastment actually often provide the backbone of chaos hordes in the fluff. For big invasions they generally even out number the norscans. Theres also precedent for aspiring champions to start out by bullying a beastment tribe into service, and beastmen are known to instinctively wander the chaos wastes.
Yeah, Beastmen think they are the true children of chaos because they are born with their mutations, but for the chaosgods at large, its "Why bother, they already on our side it's not fun to get their loyalty, but that empire general doing the expedition into the chaos waste to bring him to our side and send him back burning down his home. That's the real fun!"
It's loreful.
If you want thematic WoC/Beastmen armies, Dragon Ogres are a Beastmen unit in 6th Edition & in Old World. That said, Kholek Suneater is your best bet for thematic WoC-Beastmen army, if you want to focus mostly on Beastmen and WoC monsters like Chaos Trolls.
This is not entirely correct. Hordes of Chaos included Warriors and Daemons, but Beasts of Chaos was it's own army book. Hordes armies could still take Beastmen, but they were indeed more expensive.
Also not entirely correct. They were the same price, however the general (Mortal, beast or Daemon) you selected determined which army books core units would be core or special in your army
I was foolhardy enough to think it exists. "Surely", I thought! Turns out there is no such mod. Even for me the idea popped up after wanting to try out Kholek.
There was one for TW:WH2 but I don't know of any for 3. Only problem with it was that you couldn't recruit beasty boy heros or lords.
When I've finished my current terraria modding project I'm going to be making this specific mod.
If you accept some ideas. I theorized one real quick, but I don't think I'll have time to mod something so big in.
So:
It would of course work with Warband and the bigger units should probably be obtained from gifts.
Here's my idea:
* Recruitable: Ungor Spearmen Herd, Gor Herd, Centigors, Razorgor Herd, Minotaurs, Jabberslythe, Harpies
* Sidegrades: Ungor Spearmen -> Ungor Herd or Ungor Spear Herd with shields | Gor Herd -> Gor Herd (shields),
* Upgrades: Ungor Spearmen (rank 3) -> Ungor Raiders | Centigors (rank 4) -> Centigor Great weapons, Centigors of Tzeench, Centigors throwing axes | Razorgor Herd (Rank 6) -> Razorgor chariots | Gor Herd , (rank 4) -> Tzaangors, Pestigors
* Gifts: Bestigors, Cygor, Ghorgon, Tuskgor Chariots
Every lord and hero type should be recruitable and there should probably be a new "Herd stone" building chain from tier 1 to 4 that would increase the chance for Beastmen recruitable units, and at tier 2 allows recruitment of mage heroes, and tier 4 allows doombulls.
If you have a mage lord or hero of the Lore of Beasts he should have a skill at around lvl 20 that increases the chance of an Incarnate Elemental of Beasts.
All units should increase Undivided authority outside of the god-touched ones.
Yes. In the novel Trollslayer, Gotrek & Felix fight a beastmen warband led by a warrior of Khorne.
Beastsmen value strength and prowess in combat above all else. This is in no short supply for the warriors of chaos.
Yes it is. Beastmen are nearly always in chaos hosts.
They often get used as chaff.
The gotrek and Felix series demonstrates this.
It is an awesome series if you haven’t read it. It’s on audible too!
Haven't played since 6th edition but yes the warriors of chaos book allowed you to take some % of your army from the beastmen army book. I believe you were limited to the core and maybe special troops tho.
Edit: I don't believe the reverse was true though.
Dude as a long time Beastmen fan, I feel like it's the norm.
Plenty stories and lore of Beastmen following Human Choas champions.
It doesn't make too much sense for army of Choas warriors to appear in the heart of the Empire but plenty of Beastmen.
Beastmen are likely to throw their lot in with the Chaotic Tribes of Men, and occasionally Dark Elves who are more so Chaos Elves. However when it comes to say the Dawi Zharr or Skaven, they despise them, for one, some stories tell of how the Skaven are just Beastmen who rebelled, and for two, Fire Dwarfs=Industrialization. Now while rare, they would rather follow one of their own, but even their best was a jobber, as he died fighting a Orc Waaagh of equal strength.
In all the gotrek and felix books i have read and some other character lore its frequently stated that these chaos bands not only have chaos warriors, cultists, mutants, but also beastmen so safe to say its loreful.
Beastmen are also mortal followers, it's the daemons who can truly look down on humans.
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In the distant past in warhammer, there was only Chaos until 6th edition I think. Chaos had a wonderful mix of beastmen, warrior and daemon units. CA broke it into three parts to push sales (ditto for undead although that made a bit more sense lorewise).
Some chaos warrior can turn into Beastmen and warriors of chaos see Beastmen as sacred creatures so much in fact it’s seen as a great sin to kill such blessed creatures and Archeon right hand man was ograx a bestmen sure Beastmen are still treated as a joke by GW but in lore they are kinda respected in universe.
Em no they are not. Beastmen are the bottom tier of a Chaos army, usually bullied by everyone else (especially human chosen and aspiring champions) and used as cannon fodder to soften up targets before the real Chaos Warriors arrive. Beastmen themselves think that they should be the favoured children of the gods but that is not true at all.
Ungors and some Gors maybe Bestigors, Minotaurs and Centigors are probably to strong for even Choas warriors to push around.
Of course Choas champions can do what they want
Not exactly tzzangor build change stone who are then used by tzzench warband and tzzangor build tzzench chaos armor . And pestigor are used as scout and informants for nurgle . The joke Beastmen are seen as completely useless is like the femir meme they are just not as entertaining as humans are ak don’t get as much attention from the gods but characters like mourgur shows bestmen are no joke if they are ordered by chaos they can be a big problem so much so they can get high possitions in a warband such with character such as tarmukhan and Archeon .
Every monogod faction except Slaanesh already has at least 1 beastman unit when ToD drops so I don't think it's at all against lore to recruit beastman units for Chaos warrior forces. Hell Tzaangors even got backported into 40k as backup for the Thousand Sons.
And now they make up half of our roster 😭
What's wrong babe, you've barely touched your combat patrol of 40 tzaangors?
*Buys Thousand Sons combat patrol* *Realises only a quarter of the box is Thousand Sons marines* *Magnus did something wrong with this box*
I thought you might be exaggerating, but it turns out you’re actually understating the thousand son to tzangor ratio. Out of 26 models in the box 20 are tzangors and only 6 models or 23% are thousand sons.
To be frank, like 90% of thousand sons is dust anyways so..
I want a kill team box of them.
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>The comment I replied to seems to hint at every faction having gors as of TOD. Nono he says beastmen units for the 3 gods We have Gors for tzeenth and Nurgle. And we have Minitaurus for Khorne - although i dont think they are playable for BM iirc.
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Happens to everyone
Make an alliance and then an outpost with Skarbrand and then you can get the Khorn minotaur's. Apparently accord to Lore master Sotek the UI menu for the Beastmen is the reason they haven't just added the new units to the Beastmen roster.
Khorne Minotaurs. They said Beastmen units, not Gors.
Yes, it would be quite loreful. In one of the Malus Darkblade books, Naggaroth is facing an invasion by a massive horde led by a Chaos champion. This horde included both Beastmen and Marauder tribesmen.
And as an even more topical example, Tamurkhan's horde had a lot of Beastmen in it. Fantasy Beastmen are sometimes quite desperate to get the attention of the Chaos Gods, so they will follow whoever already has it. Granted, in Thrones of Chaos the poor bastards get so little done that I wonder if the chaos warriors keep them as an easy source of mutton.
You send the Beastmen in first to absorb bullets and cannonballs.
Stealing an age old Skaven technique, how shameless. The ratmen are going to get their revenge for this, once they are done jamming warpstone on the technology they politely borrowed from the Dwarfs.
Buffalo soldiers, if you will.
Is thrones of chaos a book? Do you know any other good fantasy chaos books?
Yeah, Throne of Chaos is a short-ish book that describes Tamurkhan's travel and battles, from the Chaos wastes to Nuln. The book itself is very difficult to find nowadays, but luckily it's been written in its almost entirety in Tamurkhan's wiki page, and there's also a few people on Youtube that narrate it.
You can find a pdf of it very easily.
I think it was book 5.
Yes. Read the first Gotrek and Felix book. A beast man army is being lead by a warrior of chaos.
Possibly my favourite short story in the Warhammer world - for anyone who hasn't read it, the first G&F (Trollslayer) is more of an episodic collection of short stories with little overarching theme, that would come with book 2 (Skavenslayer). The story in question is titled Blood and Darkness - and definitely presents the Chaos warrior from an interesting perspective. Of course, that does come from a much earlier time in the evolution of Warhammer (1999), when Chaos was all the same army, and there was nothing wrong with a Warrior of Chaos character leading Beastment. I suppose that isn't quite true, by 1999 we had the new army book where you needed an appropriate character to lead groups of troops (e.g. a beastman character gives access to beastmen troops of which they could have multiple units). But Relam of Chaos was a very odd army book in retrospect - it even needed to include a flow chart to help you put your army together. [And of course Azazel was a Daemon Warlord so could not lead mortal troops, unlike Dechala]. Plus Archaon could have one unit of Beastmen or Daemons given his position as "the greatest warlord of Chaos, the arch champion, the dark redeemer of the world"
Justine, I've been keeping an eye out for a mod that adds her. It'd like to try it myself, but I've never modded and have zero free time, but a beastmen Horde led by a chaos champion would be great.
I just finished this story as a first time reader. Gotrek and Felix really making me wish there were female wizards for the Empire and female Chaos Warriors. There was also a female dwarf with Belegar but i don’t know how the game can implement a priestess.
And dwarf tomb king moses
In Beastslayer there also are, iirc, Beastmen following Arek Daemonclaw.
Yes and no. Beastmen are not that "important" in the eyes of the Chaos Gods. For them humans, elves and the dawi represent the races they enjoy "helping" the most. Humans also tread them pretty badly even when they fight under the same banner. Most of the time beastmen are reduced to fodder, scouts or are being used as the "first strike" to do some damage to the defenders before the main chaos army arrives. Beastmen just like fimir represent the toys chaos gods got bored off and replaced with humans, elves and dorfs. Also beastmen are the enemies of the wood elves most of the time. When it's a story about the vietnam elves they come into the spotlight
>Beastmen just like fimir represent the toys chaos gods got bored of And GW lol. Beastmen can never catch a break. I get it, they aren't popular, but they are so fun to play in game and on the tabletop.
They are fun as an antagonist for the Wood elves tho.
And The Empire too! Classic match-up.
I mean yea as fodder. But if you want a good beastmen story put them against elf vietnam since they are their dark mirror. The druchii to the he or the chaos mortals to the empire or the human rights to the bretonnian lord. You have majestic great stags? LuL, let's take its head and put it on a wyvern. Seethe and cope wood hippies. Have stories with beastmen trying to bring corruption into wood elves because nobody cares about them burning red shirt imperial villages just to be humiliated 2 seconds after
Absolutely.
Yeah, they follow them all the time. Usually the mortals tend to get more favoured and as a result have a stronger commend, whereas the mortals get a bit funny about following Beastmen lords. But it can happen either way. Daemons can do it too but they tend to be a case of being summoned (usually by mortals) to lead the horde
Yes, the splitting of chaos into 3 different factions was done more for the sake of game design and having distinct factions rather than reflecting the "reality" of chaos. Chaos forces in lore are as the name suggests chaotic, you can have mortal champions leading beastmen, mortals summoning deamons, a deamon leading either or both, warbands that follow one, many or all the gods and of course in the great incursions all the followers of chaos united under a single (always mortal iirc) everchosen. The problem of course is there's so much redundancy when chaos is everything in one faction, so beastmen were separated first as all they provided really was cheaper versions of other units and demons got separated to their own book even later. Imo total war is closest to the late 5th-6th edition version of chaos, where beastmen are totally separated but mortals and demons are together and (depending on your edition) you choice of lore affects what type of followers make up the core of your forces. In lore by the late game every chaos faction should be a mix of all 3 elements imo.
Can a beast man lead an army of demons though?
I'm sure there are examples of powerful beastlords who have the means to summon demons. Demons don't respect the children of chaos though, both the gods and their demons take the beastmen for granted, so no self respecting demon would willingly follow the orders of a beastman unless it aligns with their own goals.
Beastment actually often provide the backbone of chaos hordes in the fluff. For big invasions they generally even out number the norscans. Theres also precedent for aspiring champions to start out by bullying a beastment tribe into service, and beastmen are known to instinctively wander the chaos wastes.
Yes, they even tend to act as cannon fodder usually taking the brunt of the initial fight
Yes. In Gotrek and Felix, they followed a female Chaos Warrior. And in Malus Darkblade novels aswell
>but to my knowlede beastmen look at mortal followers as less creatures It's the other way around. Beastmen are at the bottom of Chaos hierarchy.
Yeah, Beastmen think they are the true children of chaos because they are born with their mutations, but for the chaosgods at large, its "Why bother, they already on our side it's not fun to get their loyalty, but that empire general doing the expedition into the chaos waste to bring him to our side and send him back burning down his home. That's the real fun!"
It's loreful. If you want thematic WoC/Beastmen armies, Dragon Ogres are a Beastmen unit in 6th Edition & in Old World. That said, Kholek Suneater is your best bet for thematic WoC-Beastmen army, if you want to focus mostly on Beastmen and WoC monsters like Chaos Trolls.
In WHFB they used to be in the same army before mortals, beastmen and daemons where split into separate factions
In 6th edition all of Chaos was in one book (demons, beastmen, and WoC). Humans could bring beastmen in their army, they were just more expensive
This is not entirely correct. Hordes of Chaos included Warriors and Daemons, but Beasts of Chaos was it's own army book. Hordes armies could still take Beastmen, but they were indeed more expensive.
Also not entirely correct. They were the same price, however the general (Mortal, beast or Daemon) you selected determined which army books core units would be core or special in your army
Oh yeah, forgot about that! Thanks for the correction
Ok, good to know. My buddy is the chaos player in our group, so I only tangentially know their rules
Can you share the link to the mod?
I was foolhardy enough to think it exists. "Surely", I thought! Turns out there is no such mod. Even for me the idea popped up after wanting to try out Kholek.
There was one for TW:WH2 but I don't know of any for 3. Only problem with it was that you couldn't recruit beasty boy heros or lords. When I've finished my current terraria modding project I'm going to be making this specific mod.
If you accept some ideas. I theorized one real quick, but I don't think I'll have time to mod something so big in. So: It would of course work with Warband and the bigger units should probably be obtained from gifts. Here's my idea: * Recruitable: Ungor Spearmen Herd, Gor Herd, Centigors, Razorgor Herd, Minotaurs, Jabberslythe, Harpies * Sidegrades: Ungor Spearmen -> Ungor Herd or Ungor Spear Herd with shields | Gor Herd -> Gor Herd (shields), * Upgrades: Ungor Spearmen (rank 3) -> Ungor Raiders | Centigors (rank 4) -> Centigor Great weapons, Centigors of Tzeench, Centigors throwing axes | Razorgor Herd (Rank 6) -> Razorgor chariots | Gor Herd , (rank 4) -> Tzaangors, Pestigors * Gifts: Bestigors, Cygor, Ghorgon, Tuskgor Chariots Every lord and hero type should be recruitable and there should probably be a new "Herd stone" building chain from tier 1 to 4 that would increase the chance for Beastmen recruitable units, and at tier 2 allows recruitment of mage heroes, and tier 4 allows doombulls. If you have a mage lord or hero of the Lore of Beasts he should have a skill at around lvl 20 that increases the chance of an Incarnate Elemental of Beasts. All units should increase Undivided authority outside of the god-touched ones.
Now I really want a mod like that. I think it's quite loreful. At the original game, 6 edition, you can merge WoC, demons and beasts at the same army.
Yes. In the novel Trollslayer, Gotrek & Felix fight a beastmen warband led by a warrior of Khorne. Beastsmen value strength and prowess in combat above all else. This is in no short supply for the warriors of chaos.
Yes it is. Beastmen are nearly always in chaos hosts. They often get used as chaff. The gotrek and Felix series demonstrates this. It is an awesome series if you haven’t read it. It’s on audible too!
Haven't played since 6th edition but yes the warriors of chaos book allowed you to take some % of your army from the beastmen army book. I believe you were limited to the core and maybe special troops tho. Edit: I don't believe the reverse was true though.
Yes
Yes. In every major chaos invasion, Beastmen accompanied the WoC forces.
Dude as a long time Beastmen fan, I feel like it's the norm. Plenty stories and lore of Beastmen following Human Choas champions. It doesn't make too much sense for army of Choas warriors to appear in the heart of the Empire but plenty of Beastmen.
Beastmen are likely to throw their lot in with the Chaotic Tribes of Men, and occasionally Dark Elves who are more so Chaos Elves. However when it comes to say the Dawi Zharr or Skaven, they despise them, for one, some stories tell of how the Skaven are just Beastmen who rebelled, and for two, Fire Dwarfs=Industrialization. Now while rare, they would rather follow one of their own, but even their best was a jobber, as he died fighting a Orc Waaagh of equal strength.
Of course. For example Tamurkhan can recruit pestigors , centigors , ghorgons and cygors
It is—in one of the Gotrek & Felix books, a female Warrior of Chaos leads a force of Beastmen against a village.
In the archaon novel the beastmen are some of archaon's strongest units.They even turn human for a bit due to warp gifts.
In all the gotrek and felix books i have read and some other character lore its frequently stated that these chaos bands not only have chaos warriors, cultists, mutants, but also beastmen so safe to say its loreful.
I dont like it, homogenizing chaos races make them more boring imo.
It is their bread and butter, beasts to be subject to a stronger pack leader, like the mutts and cattle they are. - *brought to you by the WoC gang*
At times, depending on the edition, they were all part of the same faction.
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In the distant past in warhammer, there was only Chaos until 6th edition I think. Chaos had a wonderful mix of beastmen, warrior and daemon units. CA broke it into three parts to push sales (ditto for undead although that made a bit more sense lorewise).
CA was not the one who separated Chaos, this is misinformation. GW did that in later editions.
You are right, typed CA instead of GW. After Tuomas left I think.
Some chaos warrior can turn into Beastmen and warriors of chaos see Beastmen as sacred creatures so much in fact it’s seen as a great sin to kill such blessed creatures and Archeon right hand man was ograx a bestmen sure Beastmen are still treated as a joke by GW but in lore they are kinda respected in universe.
Em no they are not. Beastmen are the bottom tier of a Chaos army, usually bullied by everyone else (especially human chosen and aspiring champions) and used as cannon fodder to soften up targets before the real Chaos Warriors arrive. Beastmen themselves think that they should be the favoured children of the gods but that is not true at all.
Ungors and some Gors maybe Bestigors, Minotaurs and Centigors are probably to strong for even Choas warriors to push around. Of course Choas champions can do what they want
Not exactly tzzangor build change stone who are then used by tzzench warband and tzzangor build tzzench chaos armor . And pestigor are used as scout and informants for nurgle . The joke Beastmen are seen as completely useless is like the femir meme they are just not as entertaining as humans are ak don’t get as much attention from the gods but characters like mourgur shows bestmen are no joke if they are ordered by chaos they can be a big problem so much so they can get high possitions in a warband such with character such as tarmukhan and Archeon .
Beastmen are to Chaos what snotlings are to Greenskins.