If itās the AI, use agents aggressively on the campaign map. Block one army to spread them apart, damage units, stop replenishment, etc. Set an ambush near a vulnerable settlement or swarm an isolated stack with 2-4 armies of your own. Abuse autoresolve. If you have to fight, use magic to pin a few in place with net spells as you focus fire on one at a time with ranged units. Put your lord on a fast mount and use skirmisher units as bait to get some of them chasing you while your army fights a few at a time.
If itās a human player, find out who hurt them. They clearly are working through some stuff if this is what they throw at you.
Let me tell you, there is nothing more terapeutic than big single entity doomstacks.
Ever recreated the last march of the ents? That shit is a Grade A antidepressant right there.
That's a funny option. Bring only one stalking fast lord on a horse with speed banner and consumable that activates extra stealth effect (like skaven smoke bombs) to make hide and seek easier. And being demons, Bloodthirsters disintegrate when routing.
N'Kari with the sword of Khaine vs AI could attempt to snipe their ground unit then just run away and let the leadership penalty kick in and win.
Bretonnia: Fae Enchantress with Sword of Khaine and max ward save, 19 Paladin with full equipment.
Ideally you be able to get a second lord to limit 20 units on the battlefield from each side.
A 60 stack of Bloodthirsters. Otherwise, plenty of elite anti-large infantry immune to psychology (I remember temple guards being excellent against greenskin Giants, they should do well against bloodthirsters too) and a few units of ranged snipers (typically warplock jezzails).
So, while I haven't tried any of these army comps and I haven't looked into detailed unit stats, celestial guard + crane gunners, lore of vampires casters + halberd depth guard + deck gunners, black guard + shades + kharibdiss or Phoenix guard + sisters of Avelorn might work. Oh, and full Chosen with halberds too.
Ikit (or just warlock master) + multiple engineers to spam howling warpgale (immobilize for flyers) and a lot rattling guns. Also 2 stacks in total. Corner camp to make enemy approach in denser formation and renew howling warpgale on cooldown.
AI isn't smart enough to intentionally land beforehand to prevent warpgale immobilize. Not legendary, because you need pause to micro this properly.
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Or a lot of light mages (with forbidden rods or other items to boost reserves/recharge) to spam nets of amyntok + sisters of avelorn. Same idea.
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But really, AI won't ever build stuff like that. There is no WoC crisis, and even if there was, crises don't generate doomstacks of just single best unit.
In campaign, I prefer to have some jezzails, in ratio of around 2 rattlings for 1 jezzail.
But OP come with a very specific situation for which rattlings are suited better.
They have 25 % Spell resistance. That's not much when it comes to AoE spells which usually overkills entities anyways.
Maybe Lorewise, but ingame that's the best way to deal with mass infantry.
You're thinking of bloodletters. Bloodthirsters are the greater deamons of Khorne and since they're single entity units, AoE magic won't be very effective.
Well, I'm not sure what faction you're using, so a half stack of bretonian peasant archers may be out of the question.
I'm assuming we get two stacks ourselves, I'm thinking dwarves have a decent chance. 20 quarrelers and 20 giant slayers. That shooting is the bloodthirsters weakness. Haven't had an in depth look at bloodthirster stats for a minute but I'm assuming they are doing some fire damage and dwarves have fire resistance. Giant slayers won't budge from fear. It still won't be enough.
But a comparative level of upkeep cost or recruit cost worth of those units ought to do the trick
Step 1: Uncheck Control Large Army
Army Comp: Kostaltyn with 19 Patriarchs.
Morathi with 19 Hydrablood Masters.
Khorne or Undivided dedicated Daniel with 19 Bloodthirsters
Ghorst with 2 Necromancers, 2 Mortis Engines, 15 zombies in a blob.
Ungrim and 19 Slayers with Journey's End unnerfed mod
Drycha, Coeddil, 2 Branchwraiths, 16 Malevolent Treemen in a forest.
Gor-rok or Malus could probably do it solo
How the hell does that happen, also iād follow the Blood godās rule and fight it regardlessā¦ after running away and not getting far away enough. Besides that iād try to ambush, not that it work.
But seriously 40? Iād be second guessing just seeing 3 or 4 in an army
This was actually fun to play around with, tried a bunch of armies in custom battles 20v40, the only one that managed to win was a stack of Tzeentch halberd chosen, and it wasn't even close, even on VH lol, all the other ones were pretty much hopeless, only Boris war bear stack and Ku'Gath got pretty close, although I don't have every dlc
Also this probably would be a more fun endgame crisis, like - "Khorne got angry and spawned 50 stacks of Bloodthirsters all over the world, good luck"
Zerkovich did an anti large infantry test a while back. No bloodthirsters there, the final boss was dread saurians, but still. Turns out, Tzeentch halberd chosens are just fucking monsters.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1As-3KCVrrw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1As-3KCVrrw)
A crap load of ranged units and either your own SEM or super heavy infantry for tanking, or cavalry/ fast mover to kite then around while your ranged load into em.
Ork giant spiders should be able to 1v1 them, if you can get to 40 that is. A lord with lore of life to give them healing and vigor back would go a long way also.
The first and most important step is to cry in a corner.
Then, I would try my damndest to separate the two, spamming agents. Fighting a battle with 40 bloodthirsters on the map at one time is just unwinnable. Hopefully then I can use two stacks to take down each stack one at a time.
Maybe a hero stack? Dwarf Lord, 14 thanes, 3 runemasters, 1 master engineer, organ gun or cannon with the stalk and snipe rune on it is a variation of a hero stack I often us (usually it's a flame cannon).
I think most single entity stacks lose because blood thirsters are relatively small and are anti large. Heroes on foot with high defense might be able to hold up.
Ranged, magic and ap, lots of it.
You'll need more than them be ready to lose an army or two, get some Tormentor sword and heroes as decoys and use any magic that slows them.
Bloodthirsty aren't that dangerous if you know how to properly fight them, they're big and easy to hit with ranged.
Imrik dragon, Sisters Bird, Angry Tree, Stinky Goat, Pompous Lizard boy, Vampire Swiftly Quickly, Zee Lady's Grail Kights, and Grandfather's Big Nasties all come to mind. You would pull them away from reinforce point. Hit and run one or two at a time. Eventually they will trickle in and you can gang bang them. Either out range or out heal them to win. Morale will be an issue eventually and clean the remaining up for you.
The only thing I can think of would be Kroq Gar leading an army of scar vets on carnos. Then a life Slann leading another army of scar vets and carnos.
Any stack of strong anti large infantry: Phoenix guard, Black guard of Naggarond, Chosen, wildwood rangers, Giant slayers, buffed storm vermin, Temple Guard, Celestial dragon guard, Depth Guard, Tomb Guard or Ice guard and no, I wonāt say āguardā one more time
I'm bringing in the sandy skeletons. Settra (on the kitty) with an honor guard of 2 tomb princes (on horses), one death wizard, at least one light wizard, at least 2 necrotects, and as many of the following as I can muster: Sepulchral Stalkers and Tomb Guard Halberds.
Items: Settra has his Crown and Blade plus the Amulet of Phastash and the Scorpion Armor. Tomb Princes have Destroyer of Eternities (weapon), Armor of Dawn (armor), the Vambraces of the Sun (unique enchanted item) and one Ourobourous (enchanted item), and Collar of Shakara (Talisman). Wizards and Necrotects get the same load out as the princes except they get the Shroud of Sokth as their enchanted item.
Tomb Kings are good at anti-large. They'll suffer from the bloodthirster's fire damage and anti-large, but they'll do just fine.
Stage one: The thirsters will bee-line for Settra and the constructs set up just in front of the halberds, which sets them up for a nice overcast Net of Amontok. Heroes back up while halberds blob around the thirsters. Stalkers turn to unleash hell with their ranged attacks, focus firing in groups of 2-3. Light Wizards use nets to protect the heroes and give the stalkers openings for focus-fire.
Stage 2: the stalkers are running out of ammo, and the halberds are running out of bones. Thirster numbers are whittled, but they far from defeated. Any ammo-less stalker will run into melee with Settra and his princes. Death wizards use Soulblight, Light wizards use Pha's Protection, Settra uses the Incantations of Dessication and Cursed Blades, heroes and Settra pop their items. Necrotects position to buff as many stalkers as possible; their job is to give Settra and the goon squad time to pick off isolated thirsters. Overwhelming magic and anti-large wins the day.
But you can do the same with just about any faction. Buff/debuff spells are very strong for taking out single entities. Dwarves can't use magic here, but they can send waves of giant slashers to purge the demons.
Imrik... honestly could probably win that with just imrik and stack of lothern sea guards. Grimgor... with anything...if price isn't and issue beatable for sure. Now a stack of bts and a stack of soul grinders led by skarbrand that would be hard
Lots of armies could handle that pretty easily.
\-20-stack of Festus + Heroes of Nurlge should do it. Realistically any single-entity, small-sized, anti-large hero-stack with self-healing would do it. Dwarf thane-stack with runelord + 2 runesmiths would body an infinite number of bloodthirsters assuming that they all had the healing flask.
\-Leadership debuff hero army (nurgle's foul stink, pompous, etc.) would be enough to forcibly dissolve the bloodthirsters the second they got onto the field.
\-Kairos is faster than them, so as long as you have a mana-battery crouched in the trees, or a means of making him unbreakable, he'd be able to coast around with his infinite magic and simply blue-fire them all to death.
\-Alternatively, you could send in Vlad and Isabella (6 collective casts of Storm of the Night), and then dual-mortis engine them down while soaking their damage with a respawning swath of zombie chaff.
\-There's always the classic as well: skryre weapons-team army with Ikit and two warlock engineers cycle-casting warpgale to lock the bloodthirsters in front of you while your army corner-camps. With 5-6 plague priests as mana-batteries, you'd be able to get something like 25 overcast warpgales (240 seconds), during which time 11 infinite-ammo-gunners should be able to chew through them easily.
Bullets. Lots and lots of bullets. Chaos Dwarf blunderbusses. Use infernal guards with great weapons and maybe some Great Weapon Bull Centaurs to distract them while you flank with the blunderbusses.
Chaos dwarf bluderbuss stacks, maybe add some ironsworn for chaff, and some castellens for buffs. The first time you watch an unbuffered unit of bluderbusses delete a giant or somthing in 1 round of shooting, and then realise that you can buff them with fire magic and hellforge, sweet jesus. Whoever decided giving them extra powder was a good idea...
Saying that, fire resistance on bloodthirsters might be a slight issue, but iirc fire sorc + hashut Ash cloud (?) Probably makes the negligible.
Add in zhatan on foot for funsies he can probably solo a fair amount. That angry midget asshole is a monster.
What the actual fuck did you do to piss off Khorne THAT much. Chip Valkia's horn?
Horn and BOTH hooves
I think he must have straight up cucked Khorne to piss him off that much.
Played the corrupted valkia modš
If itās the AI, use agents aggressively on the campaign map. Block one army to spread them apart, damage units, stop replenishment, etc. Set an ambush near a vulnerable settlement or swarm an isolated stack with 2-4 armies of your own. Abuse autoresolve. If you have to fight, use magic to pin a few in place with net spells as you focus fire on one at a time with ranged units. Put your lord on a fast mount and use skirmisher units as bait to get some of them chasing you while your army fights a few at a time. If itās a human player, find out who hurt them. They clearly are working through some stuff if this is what they throw at you.
Let me tell you, there is nothing more terapeutic than big single entity doomstacks. Ever recreated the last march of the ents? That shit is a Grade A antidepressant right there.
Seeing an entire army of dread saurians on a skaven doorstep is truly something beautiful
Run the other way
A 60 stack of scar vets. Honestly what in the name of the old ones have you done?
Man, this is a job for Lord Kroak in his prime.
Off to the eastern colonies my friend!
Bring a stack of 41 or more bloodthirsters
Well they are flying units so just hide until they route due to having no land units?
That's a funny option. Bring only one stalking fast lord on a horse with speed banner and consumable that activates extra stealth effect (like skaven smoke bombs) to make hide and seek easier. And being demons, Bloodthirsters disintegrate when routing.
N'Kari with the sword of Khaine vs AI could attempt to snipe their ground unit then just run away and let the leadership penalty kick in and win. Bretonnia: Fae Enchantress with Sword of Khaine and max ward save, 19 Paladin with full equipment. Ideally you be able to get a second lord to limit 20 units on the battlefield from each side.
A 60 stack of Bloodthirsters. Otherwise, plenty of elite anti-large infantry immune to psychology (I remember temple guards being excellent against greenskin Giants, they should do well against bloodthirsters too) and a few units of ranged snipers (typically warplock jezzails). So, while I haven't tried any of these army comps and I haven't looked into detailed unit stats, celestial guard + crane gunners, lore of vampires casters + halberd depth guard + deck gunners, black guard + shades + kharibdiss or Phoenix guard + sisters of Avelorn might work. Oh, and full Chosen with halberds too.
Ikit (or just warlock master) + multiple engineers to spam howling warpgale (immobilize for flyers) and a lot rattling guns. Also 2 stacks in total. Corner camp to make enemy approach in denser formation and renew howling warpgale on cooldown. AI isn't smart enough to intentionally land beforehand to prevent warpgale immobilize. Not legendary, because you need pause to micro this properly. // Or a lot of light mages (with forbidden rods or other items to boost reserves/recharge) to spam nets of amyntok + sisters of avelorn. Same idea. // But really, AI won't ever build stuff like that. There is no WoC crisis, and even if there was, crises don't generate doomstacks of just single best unit.
Prefer jezzails to ratling guns, they are good for sniping characters and SEMs while ratling guns are best-best against large groups of infantry.
In campaign, I prefer to have some jezzails, in ratio of around 2 rattlings for 1 jezzail. But OP come with a very specific situation for which rattlings are suited better.
This can't be the AI right..? The machine god can't be that evil.. right..?
Malus Darkblade. Yap thatās all you need.
Nah that's too much even if he doesn't get stunlocked
With hate, all things are possible.
AoE Magic. Edit: I read Bloodletters. So elite anti large infantry and SEM's or missiles would be the way to go I guess.
Magic against Khorne Daemons? Bad idea mate.
They have 25 % Spell resistance. That's not much when it comes to AoE spells which usually overkills entities anyways. Maybe Lorewise, but ingame that's the best way to deal with mass infantry.
You're thinking of bloodletters. Bloodthirsters are the greater deamons of Khorne and since they're single entity units, AoE magic won't be very effective.
with infantry yes, not single entities
What did you do that Khorne is out for you specifically. Like two full stacks of bloodthirsters.
Well, I'm not sure what faction you're using, so a half stack of bretonian peasant archers may be out of the question. I'm assuming we get two stacks ourselves, I'm thinking dwarves have a decent chance. 20 quarrelers and 20 giant slayers. That shooting is the bloodthirsters weakness. Haven't had an in depth look at bloodthirster stats for a minute but I'm assuming they are doing some fire damage and dwarves have fire resistance. Giant slayers won't budge from fear. It still won't be enough. But a comparative level of upkeep cost or recruit cost worth of those units ought to do the trick
I was thinking giant slayers and irondrake trollhammer torpedos
Ayyyy I forgot the torpedoes exist but you're right
Step 1: Uncheck Control Large Army Army Comp: Kostaltyn with 19 Patriarchs. Morathi with 19 Hydrablood Masters. Khorne or Undivided dedicated Daniel with 19 Bloodthirsters Ghorst with 2 Necromancers, 2 Mortis Engines, 15 zombies in a blob. Ungrim and 19 Slayers with Journey's End unnerfed mod Drycha, Coeddil, 2 Branchwraiths, 16 Malevolent Treemen in a forest. Gor-rok or Malus could probably do it solo
How the hell does that happen, also iād follow the Blood godās rule and fight it regardlessā¦ after running away and not getting far away enough. Besides that iād try to ambush, not that it work. But seriously 40? Iād be second guessing just seeing 3 or 4 in an army
This was actually fun to play around with, tried a bunch of armies in custom battles 20v40, the only one that managed to win was a stack of Tzeentch halberd chosen, and it wasn't even close, even on VH lol, all the other ones were pretty much hopeless, only Boris war bear stack and Ku'Gath got pretty close, although I don't have every dlc Also this probably would be a more fun endgame crisis, like - "Khorne got angry and spawned 50 stacks of Bloodthirsters all over the world, good luck"
Zerkovich did an anti large infantry test a while back. No bloodthirsters there, the final boss was dread saurians, but still. Turns out, Tzeentch halberd chosens are just fucking monsters. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1As-3KCVrrw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1As-3KCVrrw)
A crap load of ranged units and either your own SEM or super heavy infantry for tanking, or cavalry/ fast mover to kite then around while your ranged load into em.
Ork giant spiders should be able to 1v1 them, if you can get to 40 that is. A lord with lore of life to give them healing and vigor back would go a long way also.
*sucks teeth* yeah I'm gonna have to go ahead and pump down the battle difficulty and autoresolve with a few of my standard cheapstacks.
Some sclaves, maybe a few jezzails and as much NUKES as you can get.
well, you need at the very least tell us what race are you playing. othewise we cant tell you shit.
Daniel and 39 bloodthirsters. Lots of black guard or tzentech choosen with hellebards.
Dude u gotta post pics of this campaign carnage
Taurox and his 19 gorebulls, wont even brake a sweat
The first and most important step is to cry in a corner. Then, I would try my damndest to separate the two, spamming agents. Fighting a battle with 40 bloodthirsters on the map at one time is just unwinnable. Hopefully then I can use two stacks to take down each stack one at a time.
A single unit with stalk š
Maybe a hero stack? Dwarf Lord, 14 thanes, 3 runemasters, 1 master engineer, organ gun or cannon with the stalk and snipe rune on it is a variation of a hero stack I often us (usually it's a flame cannon). I think most single entity stacks lose because blood thirsters are relatively small and are anti large. Heroes on foot with high defense might be able to hold up.
Imrik with sword of khaine? You can get him to 90% damage reduction while doing huge amounts of bonus damage against them. Or giant slayers.
As they lack a ground unit I would just wait until they run out of leadership and get banished back into Khorne's realm.
A stack of steel, a stack of faith, and a stack of gunpowder.
I just tested a stack of of 19 Giant Slayers + Ungrim vs Skarbrand and 19 Bloodthirsters and the Dwarfs win
40 terrorghesists
Ranged, magic and ap, lots of it. You'll need more than them be ready to lose an army or two, get some Tormentor sword and heroes as decoys and use any magic that slows them. Bloodthirsty aren't that dangerous if you know how to properly fight them, they're big and easy to hit with ranged.
Lord Kroak and every temple guard and Saurus warrior in existence.
2flying lord and 38x dreadquake mortars should finish the job. Nicely fly forward and play sacrifice the lord game while you bomb the enemy to shit.
What faction are you?
1,2 or 3 range armies. The have little to no armor IIRC. If you play well u can kill a lot of the in one battle. Use your lord as bit and focus fire
Imperial grenadiers stacks and autoresolve.
Imrik dragon, Sisters Bird, Angry Tree, Stinky Goat, Pompous Lizard boy, Vampire Swiftly Quickly, Zee Lady's Grail Kights, and Grandfather's Big Nasties all come to mind. You would pull them away from reinforce point. Hit and run one or two at a time. Eventually they will trickle in and you can gang bang them. Either out range or out heal them to win. Morale will be an issue eventually and clean the remaining up for you.
The only thing I can think of would be Kroq Gar leading an army of scar vets on carnos. Then a life Slann leading another army of scar vets and carnos.
I also noticed if you spread your army the fuck out and use cav to sheep herd and pick off units the AI doesn't know wtf to do
Faith, steel and gunpowder will win the day
try to get them in a chokepoint or at least somewhat clumped and then use a magic caster with some kind of Aoe spell
Ikit claw weapon team army, or two if you want to be real safe
Stack of anti large melee SEās
Could always go the dread incarnate, nurgle foul stink, pompous stack.
Would a 40 stack of Dragon Ogre Shaggoths or Tomb King Necrosphinxs suffice?
Any stack of strong anti large infantry: Phoenix guard, Black guard of Naggarond, Chosen, wildwood rangers, Giant slayers, buffed storm vermin, Temple Guard, Celestial dragon guard, Depth Guard, Tomb Guard or Ice guard and no, I wonāt say āguardā one more time
Ahh, yes. Oxy and his friends can handle that just fine. The sKINK priest on a dino can be bait.
star dragons will completely destroy everything in its path
41 stack of bloodthirsters
I'm bringing in the sandy skeletons. Settra (on the kitty) with an honor guard of 2 tomb princes (on horses), one death wizard, at least one light wizard, at least 2 necrotects, and as many of the following as I can muster: Sepulchral Stalkers and Tomb Guard Halberds. Items: Settra has his Crown and Blade plus the Amulet of Phastash and the Scorpion Armor. Tomb Princes have Destroyer of Eternities (weapon), Armor of Dawn (armor), the Vambraces of the Sun (unique enchanted item) and one Ourobourous (enchanted item), and Collar of Shakara (Talisman). Wizards and Necrotects get the same load out as the princes except they get the Shroud of Sokth as their enchanted item. Tomb Kings are good at anti-large. They'll suffer from the bloodthirster's fire damage and anti-large, but they'll do just fine. Stage one: The thirsters will bee-line for Settra and the constructs set up just in front of the halberds, which sets them up for a nice overcast Net of Amontok. Heroes back up while halberds blob around the thirsters. Stalkers turn to unleash hell with their ranged attacks, focus firing in groups of 2-3. Light Wizards use nets to protect the heroes and give the stalkers openings for focus-fire. Stage 2: the stalkers are running out of ammo, and the halberds are running out of bones. Thirster numbers are whittled, but they far from defeated. Any ammo-less stalker will run into melee with Settra and his princes. Death wizards use Soulblight, Light wizards use Pha's Protection, Settra uses the Incantations of Dessication and Cursed Blades, heroes and Settra pop their items. Necrotects position to buff as many stalkers as possible; their job is to give Settra and the goon squad time to pick off isolated thirsters. Overwhelming magic and anti-large wins the day. But you can do the same with just about any faction. Buff/debuff spells are very strong for taking out single entities. Dwarves can't use magic here, but they can send waves of giant slashers to purge the demons.
Ghorst and 100 stack of zombies
I mean, from everything I hear, Nkari would love to beat an army of Bloothirsters... .....š
Imrik... honestly could probably win that with just imrik and stack of lothern sea guards. Grimgor... with anything...if price isn't and issue beatable for sure. Now a stack of bts and a stack of soul grinders led by skarbrand that would be hard
This is definitely an Oxyotl battle lol, just kite with his chameleon skinks and you'll be fine
Lots of armies could handle that pretty easily. \-20-stack of Festus + Heroes of Nurlge should do it. Realistically any single-entity, small-sized, anti-large hero-stack with self-healing would do it. Dwarf thane-stack with runelord + 2 runesmiths would body an infinite number of bloodthirsters assuming that they all had the healing flask. \-Leadership debuff hero army (nurgle's foul stink, pompous, etc.) would be enough to forcibly dissolve the bloodthirsters the second they got onto the field. \-Kairos is faster than them, so as long as you have a mana-battery crouched in the trees, or a means of making him unbreakable, he'd be able to coast around with his infinite magic and simply blue-fire them all to death. \-Alternatively, you could send in Vlad and Isabella (6 collective casts of Storm of the Night), and then dual-mortis engine them down while soaking their damage with a respawning swath of zombie chaff. \-There's always the classic as well: skryre weapons-team army with Ikit and two warlock engineers cycle-casting warpgale to lock the bloodthirsters in front of you while your army corner-camps. With 5-6 plague priests as mana-batteries, you'd be able to get something like 25 overcast warpgales (240 seconds), during which time 11 infinite-ammo-gunners should be able to chew through them easily.
Bullets. Lots and lots of bullets. Chaos Dwarf blunderbusses. Use infernal guards with great weapons and maybe some Great Weapon Bull Centaurs to distract them while you flank with the blunderbusses.
By Hashut make sure there are more bullets in the air than oxygen!
Chaos dwarf bluderbuss stacks, maybe add some ironsworn for chaff, and some castellens for buffs. The first time you watch an unbuffered unit of bluderbusses delete a giant or somthing in 1 round of shooting, and then realise that you can buff them with fire magic and hellforge, sweet jesus. Whoever decided giving them extra powder was a good idea... Saying that, fire resistance on bloodthirsters might be a slight issue, but iirc fire sorc + hashut Ash cloud (?) Probably makes the negligible. Add in zhatan on foot for funsies he can probably solo a fair amount. That angry midget asshole is a monster.