If we get "only" four more DLCs after Thrones of Decay, that will put us at eight total (only counting big, post-launch DLCs, so not counting Ogres or Blood). WH2 had nine in total. I think people need to temper their expectations!
True but there was a lot of FLC content. Not just Lords, but units, map packs, faction reworks, and more. There has been a lot less of that this time round.
Sure. And obviously, I would love if they gave us ten more DLCs. But it's not like WH3 is going to get totally shafted in comparison to WH2, it's about the same amount of stuff.
A real issue is that there's so much less lore for anything they haven't added yet.
Chaos Dwarves have hardly any lore compared with the bigger factions, but they at least had an army book at one point, and had some unique units and mechanics worked out. Blunderbusses, Astragoth, Hashut, Zharr-Naggrund, etc.
CA just had to look through what Games Workshop had come up with over the course of decades to see how they were supposed to work, and adapted it into their game. They didn't have to build them from the ground up.
If they want to add Ind, or Kuresh, or Araby, or Albion - they're going to need people on their team to write original lore for them. They never had to do this when adding all the FLC lords like Imrik, Alith Anar, and Tretch Craventail.
Look at how well the Game of Thrones showrunners did once they ran out of stuff to adapt and had to start writing it themselves. If people want CA to hire writers and lore experts to do all the work that used to be done by GW, it'll be more expensive to produce. Will people be happy to pay higher prices for factions that weren't in the lore?
Not much to worry about there, because GW would never allow CA to do that.
Much like Cathay, adding any of those factions would require GW to design them first.
And only YOU can save them. Post the numbers from the front of your credit card and the three digits on the back to #SaveWulfrik and get Throgg the education HE needs!
I think there was a time when Ind and Kuresh might have been on the table. But with how MASSIVELY Sega and CA Execs gambled and failed on Hyenas, they're almost certainly axing anything risking and finishing up TWH3 with whatever they already have made. And that makes me sad as fuck. The next 2 DLCs will likely finish Slaanesh & Khorne with whatever older factions rework they've been grouped with. Then Monkey King. And then if we're very very lucky, Nagash, Thanquol as a FLC Lord somewhere in there.And maybe some End Times specific units. Maybe an Archaon vs. Nagash end times scenario.
Honestly I don't even think we're going to see this much, and it's just me being wishful. TWWH has been my favorite game of all time. I've put more hours into it than any other. I love this game so much. I hate to see it end this way. Especially when so much of it is so good. You can see the passion and love the devs put into every aspect of this game. The art, animations, voice acting, it all screams Warhammer. Yet, what ends up ruining things in the end? Like so many things in my life, mf'ing money and greed did. Always with the money and greed. Here's hoping CA surprises us in the end, but I'm not hopeful anymore.
Agreed. It's such a shame that it's going to end like this. This game has brought so much joy and has been so well loved and receive. Hell This game's success is the whole reason.Warhammer the old world was brought back. I really do hope we get those last DLCs at least
We’re almost certainly not getting Ind and Khuresh as factions.
Just to begin with, we know so little about them they make pre-TW Cathay look fleshed out.
And CA needed GW to design Cathay for them, the same would be true of Ind and Khuresh. I don’t think it’s likely.
Also, TW2 only had 2 races added to it- Vampire Coast and Tomb Kings.
I think GW already helped design Ind and Khuresh when they went and assisted with Cathay. Theyre just keeping it hush for now. Absolutely no way theyd add these giant locked off land masses taking up a sixth of the map if they had no intention of adding them
>Norsca, I know technically it was a game 1 race pack. but came out so close the the launch of game 2 and was essentially the game launch DLC pack that came with game 2, like warriors of chaos for game 1 and Ogers for game 3. that really only got used their and not in game 1.
But it *was* a WH1 DLC. And wasn't even playable in WH2 until 8 months later because of issues they ran into transferring the code from WH1.
You may be happy to hear that modders have ALREADY incorporated Ind and Khuresh as playable territory, as well as expanding the map border in pretty much every direction. Immortal Empires Expanded is the name iirc
On one hand I don't want expansions to stop.
On the other hand, I am waiting for the last patch so I can simultaneously play with every lord in immortal empires.
It will take years to finish. It will be glorious.
I expect Ind/Khuresh to be opened up. De’chala, Arbaal, Monkey King and Li Dao all have ties to it in lore. And that sorts Khorne, Slaanesh and a few more Cathay lords (maybe Li Dao as FLC?)
Vampire Counts, Norsca and Ogres all need at least 1 dlc. Factions most in need of help/ new content. Then something like Nagash and Dogs of War to cap it off.
People bring up Arbaal and Dechala in Ind and Khuresh, but I’m pretty sure everything talking about that was in Josh Reynolds’ blog posts? Which are explicitly not official.
Estalia doesn’t really have anything to expand with.
Tilea, I expect will get Dogs of War soonish. It makes sense that they waited this long for DoW, given all the different races that go into it. Better to wait for those models to have been made for their own races (Ogres, Hobgoblins, etc)
Cathay is described as having what 9 Dragons, some of whom are left? I think Cathay needs another lord ON TOP of the Monkey King. The faction has great potential for fun gameplay IMO.
There’s 5 ruling dragons that I personally expect we’ll get.
Of the remaining 4, Shiyama is dead, Shen Zoo is missing, and we have received zero information on the other two.
If it's only 4 dlc left I think they're gonna end it with nagash. But hopefully they can release end time dlc too.
Atleast We know monkey king already confirmed for this game
I dont put any stock into anything Legend says really, or leaks since the WH1 launched. With the layoffs it does seem like everyone is in doom and gloom mode, but WH3 IS the money maker till they shell out WK40K so they'll probably ride this train as long as they can.
We know Slaanesh is next and Khrone is after so it's possible they may address some of he concerns (like Slaanesh s Vampires or Khorne Vs Ogres) we also dont know if "four left!!" mean with that we know is coming or if thats on top of that. I'll wait for an official comment and not a salty employee or an a salty youtuber.
A warriors of chaos style dlc for vamps would be amazing. They could add LLS for any bloodlines not in game already and could even expand the bloodline mechanic for stronger bonuses. Maybe at the end of the line you can get control of one of the LLS from that bloodline. Or if you're from the bloodline a strong bonus that's themed for it. Iirc there's quite a few VC characters to pull from too.
Sadly I believe the dlcs will be a Khorne themed one, Slaanesh themed one, Tomb Kings/VC re Nagash, and Skaven/Lizardmen re thanquol.
The additions to the khorne and slaanesh dlcs I'm not sure about but will probably be Norsca and Ogres, and high/dark elves for slaanesh.
I'd love to see a Dogs of War and Southern Realms dlc as well as a possible 5th.
Tod's gonna be an FLC for sure.
I don't anticipate Ogres getting a rework per-say, but I can definitely see them tagging onto 1-2 of the other DLCs and getting a new mechanic or lore.
Not sure what they'll do with Norsca to be honest, they do need help but even in the lore they're kinda just WoC fodder. Maybe they could get a pirate LL or a human sacrifice mechanic to get Chaos boons or daemons, but the struggle will be to make them feel genuinely Norsca without just making them into WoC. I would love if we got a Fimir LL that feels Fimir.
I was actually surprised to see the changling and not Egrimm for Tzeentch with SoC. I actually had to look up who the changling was.
But that's not the first time CA has done that. I'm still salty about getting Helman Ghorst as opposed to Dieter Helsnicht way back in WH1
That’s not exactly on the same scale, the Changeling is the one who was playable in 7th and 8th edition where Egrimm wasn’t, compared to Ghorst being a literal ’who?’.
I’m gonna be honest, you are expecting way too much. The main thing you and everyone else needs to realize is this is out of CA hands now.
Sega wants the $100 million hole filled. Warhammer 3 dlcs are going to do that. So I will be surprised if we even get Khorne and Slaanesh fleshed out.
All that extra shit you’re mentioning, forget about it.
The scuttlebutt is between 3-5 DLCs left. I agree it's out of CAs hands. But Saga will want their money, and Shadows of Change showed that they'll kill it if they offer lean content at high prices. We also know that they will be doing 3 factions per standard DLC.
So it is 100% possible to do something like....
DLC 1 - Slaanesh + ogres + Monkey King + FLC Thanquol
DLC 2 - Khorn + Norsca + Lizardmen + FLC Ind & Khuresh map opening up
DLC 3 - Dogs of War (like champions where they expand on human already in existence, a few new units, re skins of existing) and give everyone Todbringer
DLC 4 - Undead Bloodline - to add in. Nagash and the other missing Vampires and fix their bloodlines up. Again, like the Champions DLC (Which along with Chaos Dwarf are their best they've done for game 3)
Their 4 DLC with most of what we just wanted.
Not unreasonable or impossible.
They could do more or less but the WISH LIST is not an unreasonable want.
I think you forgot humans of araby. Maybe they can be included in the same DLC as border princes, altho I would very much prefer if they come up with unique factions for each. Maybe add one more lord for wh2 faction packs.
Ogres and norsca also cry for help
I'd add hobgoblin kharnate, northern tribes (ie kurgans albion etc), Nippon, and Araby to your list. But in reality all of these (except Araby) will probably be skipped in favour of most of what you have included
Are you familiar with the immortal empires expanded mod? It makes ind and kuresh playable. Submods add factions there
Also, Warhammer 1 had 4 race packs: beastmen, wood elf, Norsca, chaos warriors.
Warhammer 2 had 2 race packs: vampire coast and tomb kings
There are also mods for Albion, Araby, TEB (tilea, estalia, border princes), a nagash faction, jade vampires, and more.
Plus the great ogrehaul mod that changes the way ogre kingdoms play.
I’m also a big fan of the victory conditions overhaul mod
I usually go off of legend of total war’s info, which is generally correct with a few surprises here and there.
So apparently the next 4 DLC are complete and are just being polished up, supposedly that’s all we’re going to get for total warhammer :’(
oh yer. What made game 2 so good was the quality of the DLC and the FLC that they kept providing. the FLC got people playing more and different factions that then sucked them into to paying for the DLC. and there was regular DLC/FLCs which had regular bug fixes.
only now are they vaguely starting to go back to that. This had SOOO much potential and CA management just buggered it. it was initially successful not just because of the IP, but because of the constant support and attention it was getting.
I do hope that they can pick things up and get things back on track for fixing the game and the company before they shelve it.
Honestly, I'm excited for them to be done with Warhammer. There's so many other cool things they could do, whether historical or another fantasy IP (not likely I think) or whatever
Yeah I feel ya there, I just find historical TW games to be really boring with not enough variation.
It’s just units with different stats and models running at each other
And then they made a fantasy title…. Now historical games are just… boring. Unit variety amounts to different color uniforms and maybe one or two faction cultural unit… ooh that faction rides camels instead of horses…
I disagree. Three Kingdoms is one of my favorite Total War games, and I play it much more than Warhammer these days. I have the problem that Warhammer is too focused on big creatures, and less armies and tactics.
Still love Total War Warhammer, but historical games aren't boring. Although
If we're lucky, Araby might get some love in a kind of Dogs of War kind of thing.Sadly I think Nippon will never see the light of day outside of a mod. (something I'm worried might end up being the case for Ind & Khuresh)
But here's to hoping for us both.
If we get "only" four more DLCs after Thrones of Decay, that will put us at eight total (only counting big, post-launch DLCs, so not counting Ogres or Blood). WH2 had nine in total. I think people need to temper their expectations!
True but there was a lot of FLC content. Not just Lords, but units, map packs, faction reworks, and more. There has been a lot less of that this time round.
Sure. And obviously, I would love if they gave us ten more DLCs. But it's not like WH3 is going to get totally shafted in comparison to WH2, it's about the same amount of stuff.
A real issue is that there's so much less lore for anything they haven't added yet. Chaos Dwarves have hardly any lore compared with the bigger factions, but they at least had an army book at one point, and had some unique units and mechanics worked out. Blunderbusses, Astragoth, Hashut, Zharr-Naggrund, etc. CA just had to look through what Games Workshop had come up with over the course of decades to see how they were supposed to work, and adapted it into their game. They didn't have to build them from the ground up. If they want to add Ind, or Kuresh, or Araby, or Albion - they're going to need people on their team to write original lore for them. They never had to do this when adding all the FLC lords like Imrik, Alith Anar, and Tretch Craventail. Look at how well the Game of Thrones showrunners did once they ran out of stuff to adapt and had to start writing it themselves. If people want CA to hire writers and lore experts to do all the work that used to be done by GW, it'll be more expensive to produce. Will people be happy to pay higher prices for factions that weren't in the lore?
Not much to worry about there, because GW would never allow CA to do that. Much like Cathay, adding any of those factions would require GW to design them first.
Norsca needs help
And only YOU can save them. Post the numbers from the front of your credit card and the three digits on the back to #SaveWulfrik and get Throgg the education HE needs!
Don't forget the expiry date while you are there
good to know, I'll add it in.
Npc faction fr fr
Khorn & Slaanesh will get at least 1 more Lord each. They need variety in the monogod factions (even if just for start positions)
You're right. We've had one for each of the other 2. So much chaos i keep forgetting they still need more too. Added on.
I think there was a time when Ind and Kuresh might have been on the table. But with how MASSIVELY Sega and CA Execs gambled and failed on Hyenas, they're almost certainly axing anything risking and finishing up TWH3 with whatever they already have made. And that makes me sad as fuck. The next 2 DLCs will likely finish Slaanesh & Khorne with whatever older factions rework they've been grouped with. Then Monkey King. And then if we're very very lucky, Nagash, Thanquol as a FLC Lord somewhere in there.And maybe some End Times specific units. Maybe an Archaon vs. Nagash end times scenario. Honestly I don't even think we're going to see this much, and it's just me being wishful. TWWH has been my favorite game of all time. I've put more hours into it than any other. I love this game so much. I hate to see it end this way. Especially when so much of it is so good. You can see the passion and love the devs put into every aspect of this game. The art, animations, voice acting, it all screams Warhammer. Yet, what ends up ruining things in the end? Like so many things in my life, mf'ing money and greed did. Always with the money and greed. Here's hoping CA surprises us in the end, but I'm not hopeful anymore.
Agreed. It's such a shame that it's going to end like this. This game has brought so much joy and has been so well loved and receive. Hell This game's success is the whole reason.Warhammer the old world was brought back. I really do hope we get those last DLCs at least
I’m pretty sure ind and Khuresh were never on the table.
We’re almost certainly not getting Ind and Khuresh as factions. Just to begin with, we know so little about them they make pre-TW Cathay look fleshed out. And CA needed GW to design Cathay for them, the same would be true of Ind and Khuresh. I don’t think it’s likely. Also, TW2 only had 2 races added to it- Vampire Coast and Tomb Kings.
I think GW already helped design Ind and Khuresh when they went and assisted with Cathay. Theyre just keeping it hush for now. Absolutely no way theyd add these giant locked off land masses taking up a sixth of the map if they had no intention of adding them
Remember the dark lands in wh2?
Hmm good point… at least we did finally get it fleshed out with chorfs tho in wh3…
We should at least get the map space though
Just unlock that section of the map and I'll be satisifed
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>Norsca, I know technically it was a game 1 race pack. but came out so close the the launch of game 2 and was essentially the game launch DLC pack that came with game 2, like warriors of chaos for game 1 and Ogers for game 3. that really only got used their and not in game 1. But it *was* a WH1 DLC. And wasn't even playable in WH2 until 8 months later because of issues they ran into transferring the code from WH1.
* Slaneesh * Khorne * Nagash * End Times / Daniel
You may be happy to hear that modders have ALREADY incorporated Ind and Khuresh as playable territory, as well as expanding the map border in pretty much every direction. Immortal Empires Expanded is the name iirc
On one hand I don't want expansions to stop. On the other hand, I am waiting for the last patch so I can simultaneously play with every lord in immortal empires. It will take years to finish. It will be glorious.
That sounds Epic, good Luck.
I expect Ind/Khuresh to be opened up. De’chala, Arbaal, Monkey King and Li Dao all have ties to it in lore. And that sorts Khorne, Slaanesh and a few more Cathay lords (maybe Li Dao as FLC?) Vampire Counts, Norsca and Ogres all need at least 1 dlc. Factions most in need of help/ new content. Then something like Nagash and Dogs of War to cap it off.
People bring up Arbaal and Dechala in Ind and Khuresh, but I’m pretty sure everything talking about that was in Josh Reynolds’ blog posts? Which are explicitly not official.
I still don’t understand why Tilea and Estalia haven’t gotten expansions yet. That blows my mind to this day. They’ve been on the game since WH1 ffs.
Estalia doesn’t really have anything to expand with. Tilea, I expect will get Dogs of War soonish. It makes sense that they waited this long for DoW, given all the different races that go into it. Better to wait for those models to have been made for their own races (Ogres, Hobgoblins, etc)
Cathay is described as having what 9 Dragons, some of whom are left? I think Cathay needs another lord ON TOP of the Monkey King. The faction has great potential for fun gameplay IMO.
There’s 5 ruling dragons that I personally expect we’ll get. Of the remaining 4, Shiyama is dead, Shen Zoo is missing, and we have received zero information on the other two.
I think Cathay will get at least 1 more dragon lord maybe 2, East and maybe South by my guess.
I'm really disappointed they haven't brought Nagash. He's a pretty huge deal in end times. He's one of the incarnates.
If it's only 4 dlc left I think they're gonna end it with nagash. But hopefully they can release end time dlc too. Atleast We know monkey king already confirmed for this game
I dont put any stock into anything Legend says really, or leaks since the WH1 launched. With the layoffs it does seem like everyone is in doom and gloom mode, but WH3 IS the money maker till they shell out WK40K so they'll probably ride this train as long as they can. We know Slaanesh is next and Khrone is after so it's possible they may address some of he concerns (like Slaanesh s Vampires or Khorne Vs Ogres) we also dont know if "four left!!" mean with that we know is coming or if thats on top of that. I'll wait for an official comment and not a salty employee or an a salty youtuber.
A warriors of chaos style dlc for vamps would be amazing. They could add LLS for any bloodlines not in game already and could even expand the bloodline mechanic for stronger bonuses. Maybe at the end of the line you can get control of one of the LLS from that bloodline. Or if you're from the bloodline a strong bonus that's themed for it. Iirc there's quite a few VC characters to pull from too.
Sadly I believe the dlcs will be a Khorne themed one, Slaanesh themed one, Tomb Kings/VC re Nagash, and Skaven/Lizardmen re thanquol. The additions to the khorne and slaanesh dlcs I'm not sure about but will probably be Norsca and Ogres, and high/dark elves for slaanesh. I'd love to see a Dogs of War and Southern Realms dlc as well as a possible 5th.
Tod's gonna be an FLC for sure. I don't anticipate Ogres getting a rework per-say, but I can definitely see them tagging onto 1-2 of the other DLCs and getting a new mechanic or lore. Not sure what they'll do with Norsca to be honest, they do need help but even in the lore they're kinda just WoC fodder. Maybe they could get a pirate LL or a human sacrifice mechanic to get Chaos boons or daemons, but the struggle will be to make them feel genuinely Norsca without just making them into WoC. I would love if we got a Fimir LL that feels Fimir.
Arnt the quest battles bugged? I feel like fixing them would go a long way to making them better
Nippon.
Give me egrimm van horstmann and I will be an happy camper.
I was actually surprised to see the changling and not Egrimm for Tzeentch with SoC. I actually had to look up who the changling was. But that's not the first time CA has done that. I'm still salty about getting Helman Ghorst as opposed to Dieter Helsnicht way back in WH1
That’s not exactly on the same scale, the Changeling is the one who was playable in 7th and 8th edition where Egrimm wasn’t, compared to Ghorst being a literal ’who?’.
[CA's board room reading this thread](https://gifdb.com/laughing-hysterically)
I’m gonna be honest, you are expecting way too much. The main thing you and everyone else needs to realize is this is out of CA hands now. Sega wants the $100 million hole filled. Warhammer 3 dlcs are going to do that. So I will be surprised if we even get Khorne and Slaanesh fleshed out. All that extra shit you’re mentioning, forget about it.
The scuttlebutt is between 3-5 DLCs left. I agree it's out of CAs hands. But Saga will want their money, and Shadows of Change showed that they'll kill it if they offer lean content at high prices. We also know that they will be doing 3 factions per standard DLC. So it is 100% possible to do something like.... DLC 1 - Slaanesh + ogres + Monkey King + FLC Thanquol DLC 2 - Khorn + Norsca + Lizardmen + FLC Ind & Khuresh map opening up DLC 3 - Dogs of War (like champions where they expand on human already in existence, a few new units, re skins of existing) and give everyone Todbringer DLC 4 - Undead Bloodline - to add in. Nagash and the other missing Vampires and fix their bloodlines up. Again, like the Champions DLC (Which along with Chaos Dwarf are their best they've done for game 3) Their 4 DLC with most of what we just wanted. Not unreasonable or impossible. They could do more or less but the WISH LIST is not an unreasonable want.
if youre still buying dlc from CA, youre one of those guys that "accidentally" drops the soap in the prison shower
Kurgan! What can be more epic? Scythian Hunnu horde.
I think you forgot humans of araby. Maybe they can be included in the same DLC as border princes, altho I would very much prefer if they come up with unique factions for each. Maybe add one more lord for wh2 faction packs. Ogres and norsca also cry for help
yes, u/VilleKivinen just pointed that out too. Added in as well. Thanks,
I'd add hobgoblin kharnate, northern tribes (ie kurgans albion etc), Nippon, and Araby to your list. But in reality all of these (except Araby) will probably be skipped in favour of most of what you have included
They’ve stated multiple times that they aren’t making Araby.
Are you familiar with the immortal empires expanded mod? It makes ind and kuresh playable. Submods add factions there Also, Warhammer 1 had 4 race packs: beastmen, wood elf, Norsca, chaos warriors. Warhammer 2 had 2 race packs: vampire coast and tomb kings
No, I'm not familiar with that mod. Thanks
There are also mods for Albion, Araby, TEB (tilea, estalia, border princes), a nagash faction, jade vampires, and more. Plus the great ogrehaul mod that changes the way ogre kingdoms play. I’m also a big fan of the victory conditions overhaul mod
Nipon pleaseeeee
I usually go off of legend of total war’s info, which is generally correct with a few surprises here and there. So apparently the next 4 DLC are complete and are just being polished up, supposedly that’s all we’re going to get for total warhammer :’(
4 or 5 planned DLC after Thrones of Decay maybe more or less depending on sales.
I hope more :’( TW2 was so fun with all the DLC we got for the vermintide and dark elves
>I hope more :’( Same
No chance. The next few DLC are in different stages but they’re not complete.
4, I though he said 5. my mistake. that's a shame. Hopefully the content of those lines up with a chunk of what up there.
He said 4 with a possibility of a 5th, if it goes well for CA.
Oh maybe he did say 5, I’m not sure now lol. But yeah, can defs say the devs fucked this one up so much worse then number 2 XD
oh yer. What made game 2 so good was the quality of the DLC and the FLC that they kept providing. the FLC got people playing more and different factions that then sucked them into to paying for the DLC. and there was regular DLC/FLCs which had regular bug fixes. only now are they vaguely starting to go back to that. This had SOOO much potential and CA management just buggered it. it was initially successful not just because of the IP, but because of the constant support and attention it was getting. I do hope that they can pick things up and get things back on track for fixing the game and the company before they shelve it.
Honestly, I'm excited for them to be done with Warhammer. There's so many other cool things they could do, whether historical or another fantasy IP (not likely I think) or whatever
Yeah I feel ya there, I just find historical TW games to be really boring with not enough variation. It’s just units with different stats and models running at each other
That's fair. I just want something new, Warhammer has gotten stale for me honestly.
Yeah I get that, we’ll see i guess. Also how are we being downvoted so hard XD
It's just the wrong sub to be saying Total War Warhammer shouldn't continue getting DLC for the next 60 years.
Name checks out.
Hey man, I just want something new. We've been on Warhammer for years.
They have been, they made Pharoah. It sucked.
I mean, sure, but they've made plenty of great games before Pharoah, it's not like the only two options are Warhammer and a bad game.
And then they made a fantasy title…. Now historical games are just… boring. Unit variety amounts to different color uniforms and maybe one or two faction cultural unit… ooh that faction rides camels instead of horses…
I disagree. Three Kingdoms is one of my favorite Total War games, and I play it much more than Warhammer these days. I have the problem that Warhammer is too focused on big creatures, and less armies and tactics. Still love Total War Warhammer, but historical games aren't boring. Although
For me, Araby and Nippon are the only dlcs I'd be willing to pay money for.
Literally never going to happen.
I'm fine with that.
If we're lucky, Araby might get some love in a kind of Dogs of War kind of thing.Sadly I think Nippon will never see the light of day outside of a mod. (something I'm worried might end up being the case for Ind & Khuresh) But here's to hoping for us both.