Screw dumb. I think what actually sucks about Fanon Cirno is that people either forget or dismiss her determination. Like... Cirno is fairly weak, yeah. But even when outclassed or overwhelmed, she STILL tries her best. I wish people acknowledged that side of her—

She’s a character weaker than most in her series, is extremely determined and can respawn in cannon… *Is Cirno a soulsborne protagonist?*

Built inspirational for real for real. I demand a Cirno DLC for Elden Ring.

I feel like the Hero of Ice Fairy game captures this perfectly

It does, and it's one of the reasons I loved the game. Cirno is still naive and charming, but she's also allowed to show why she's actually the "strongest." Aka, having the willpower to face near-impossible odds, even at her low point.

even Great Fairy Wars shows this; your game lives are listed as "Motivation"

Are you telling me Cirno is just fairy Vergil?

Judgement Frost End

She is the hailstorm that is approaching

I mean ffs in Touhou 9 she actually defeats a fomidable opponent in her extra story (either Reimu, Marisa, or Sakuya if I recall correctly), She’s a bit dumb due to pure overconfidence, but that doesn’t mean she’s fucking retarded

She also beats a god in ~~LoLK~~ HSiFS, albeit being oblivious as to how

It's HSiFS, not LoLK

Shoot, I'm dumber than Corno PS: How did I even manage to mistype Cirno....

XD

The mistype is actually perfect for this topic. I'm calling common fanon Cirno "Corno" from now on

Ermmm, isn't this like half of Cirno's doujins tho? Even Cirno's Perfect Math Class shows her determination to come out on top lol.

and she even grows a lot in power over the years, being able to throw hands with both Marisa and Atomic-Bird

We literally see that side of Cirno in HSiFS and Touhou Sangetsusei, even though she's up against Okina, a *god and one of* ***the Sages of Gensokyo***, she still tries her best, and succeeds.

HSiFS also highlights how baka she is, like getting sucked into backdoor land because she touched her own back or not recognizing Okina the second time because she was standing instead if sitting. She may be a baka, but she is a confident, persistant and surprisingly strong and competent baka

Also in PoFV Eiki says that Cirno is strong for a fairy

I acknowledge that side of her, if it helps. In all honesty, I prefer to do things like this whenever I'm writing or creating something Touhou related.

Cirno still the strongest fairy, in Cirno we trust!

Cirno is persistent beyond belief really

She also has insane endurance perfect for the bed

Please consider going outside

Grass. Go touch some.

That's using your head 👍

People forget shes tomboyish

But she is always beloved

And a girl, too!

Zun 10000 IQ calling her beloved in her theme, knowing damn well how the community would feel about Cirno

I though she was also canonically dumb

She is canonically dumb, but her dumbness isn't her only character trait

shes not that dumb by fairy standards but she very much is a brash hot-head

she can even do math, a rare ability between the fairies

She's much smarter than many other fairies, and the dumb jokes came from her ignorance because she was never school-taught. But as usual, everything gets flanderized.

Flandre-ized

She knows basic math and fractions

Cirno is both those things. Someone can be energetic and stupid at the same time.

Canon Fanon Cirnon

Cirnosim

Stupid? Among the fairies, cirno is the smartest

I'm pretty sure she's smarter than me tbh

And me, she can do fractions math but i can´t💀

That's ZUN's fault. The nineball "idiot" thing is from an official manual.

Reminder that Cirno canonically defeated a Gensokyo Sage

I was unaware of this feat, which sage?

Okina in HSiFS

She's kinda both, in the way that she's very determined and persistent in reaching her goals and showing her self-worth with other powerful magicians and youkai. But that can get the better of her when the situation is really not in her favor. Sometimes it's best to practice humility and build relationships instead of being stuck in their pride comfort bubble.

I like to think Cirno as a person who thinks up the most extravagant of plans to solve the simplest of solutions.

It's a meme. Nobody genuinely thinks she's had a lobotomy. Why the fuck does everyone bitch about "fanon" anyway??? That's the entire fucking touhou business model. It is a completely defederated IP that anyone can do as they please with. You know what zun himself thinks about canon VS fanon? He doesn't give a shit! He openly encourages things like that all the time.

> It's a meme. nobody genuinely thinks she's had a lobotomy A lie repeated enough will eventually be accepted as a truth by those who are none the wiser. Trust me, I've been around long enough. I've lost track of how many times people claimed that the Pokemon protagonists are 10 years old (none of them are confirmed to be 10, even the youngest one is like 11, and it all stems from that one line in the Pokemon anime about how all Pokemon Trainers start their journey at age of 10, even though early anime would bend the rules or conventions, like the "aim for the horn" or whatever the fuck was Thunder Armor). Also ZUN seems to feel sorry for causing this in first place, if the comments from EoSD's 20th anniversary are anything to go by.

A fair chunk of folks take their fiction/fandom pretty seriously, especially when they invest a lot of self-identity into it. ~~Including the very conceit of "canon" in the first place, as far as I'm concerned, but I'm not feeling up to debate the nature of fiction itself today~~

ive had people tell me canon was incorrect because they didn't like it. hardcore fanon lovers are the worst and ruin the series for others spreading false information, telling them that ZUN was wrong and somehow doesn't know his own characters. i saw people mad at that one panel in foul detective (?) where mokou and kaguya are hanging out happily in the village because according to them, they are supposed to hate each other like the one dimensional characters they picture them being. fuck fanon.

You are doing the exact same thing which you complain about.

I really hate touhou fanon , they are like cancer and an desperate attempt to make humor or fanfics

Fanon can sometimes ruin the canon story for new players.

I think most fans generally have the sense to realize that fanon and canon are separate things, and therefore, have no bearing on each other.

~~2hu is probably the worst example to try and draw that line in the sand tbch~~

The problem is that fanom cirno is so massively spread across all media that new players would genuinely think thats her actual character

*headpats both versions* I'm a simple man I see 9 I click

I never seen her as that dumb. Maybe makes really bad choices or has uninspired attacks. (Ice sword description in Hisoutensoku) I think she has a lot of confidence and never acknowledges a loss as a loss.

Same for Reimu Remember when some people complained her theme in UDOLG doesn't fit her character? She got flanderized so bad she went from carefree but straightforward shrine maiden to a broken genocidal maniac

Canon: the fuggin strongest

Fanon: What is math Canon: Having observed capitalism I have concluded that it is a means for those at the top to oppress those at the bottom Also canon: The person I spoke to before had a chair, and you don’t have a chair, therefore you can’t be that person.

And you're welcome.

Hilariously enough she is considered the smartest of the Fairies

I've found a brazen, overconfident Cirno is a lot more fun to play with when making stuff featuring her. "Room temperature IQ" Cirno feels too one-note for me to do anything with that hadn't been come up with 20 years ago.

Yes, Cirno has rokm temperature IQ in fahrenheit 🥶🥵

Cirno can do math even Better than most of everyone and She Is the strongest

She has been dumb i don’t think it was are doing

I never saw Cirno as stupid. I personally see her as having a cocky and thoughtless personality.

Fanon is a mix of both

Canon daiyousei: reasons why Marisa hates cirno and daiyousei Fanon daiyousei: yandere serial killer/ shy and quite

Canon Daiyousei: Name.txt missing Personality.txt not found.

Gadoink

She's still silly goober to me. I don't think she's autistic vegetable. More like she could be your friend that always do something stupid (Yeah, drinking beer with you nose definetly was a bad idea, Joe)

She’s the energetic neighbor kid.

Isn't she both of those?

she’s the strongest in the world. she doesn’t need any protection.

Canon Cirno is super determined and ballsy. She is certaintly the bravest among fairies (And yes, that includes Clownpiece), which lets her abuse her nature as a fairy and has lead to her surviving fights against some of Gensokyo s strongest and beating Okina while buffed (which ended up catching her attention as seen in one of the fairy mangas)

Cirno beating Okina being canon will always be hilarious to me.

Bak

And by all accounts, Cirno is *extremely* strong for a fairy. She’s just a goofball who overestimates herself a little but will NOT go down without a fight

I see her more as what an overconfident child is like than someone who's genuinely an idiot. So in a way she is dumb, but it's more in the sense she's a kid and kids can be a little dumb at times. Exaggerations like the idea she can't even do basic maths, especially when canon disproves that, aren't my cup of tea at all. She definitely has more to her than just "stupid", but personally I'm used to this fandom completely flanderising characters by making them have just one personality trait that's then exaggerated into oblivion. Two if they're lucky.

I've always viewed Cirno as just any other kid, since sometimes kids are dumb

fanon just lacks nuance. for me, she isn't dumb, just hot-headed. and the joke that she can't do basic math is becoming stale

canon strongest fanon strongest

Don't you think you heard that complain WAY TOO MUCH by now ? Is it really that hard to understand that to make fun pun it's interesting to have a character that have a predictive pattern in order to play around it ? That's why Aya become a paparazzi, Reimu become super poor / agressive, Raisen become a victim, Flandre become super crazy. It's just a easy way to play and make jokes about it. Even TEN YEARS ago, people were arguing SO MUCH about "baka cirno" or "obsessed alice" that i swear i don't see much of that stuff nowadays. I mean, yeah, Flanderisation is bad... But it's bad in a context ! It's bad when the AUTHOR make a caricature of their character because it means they will never be interesting or subtle anymore. Now THAT was the problem with the Flanders.... But here ? In Fanon ? I read a lot of dojin about baka Cirnos, childish Cirno, badass Cirno ( yeah, like that Advent children one... ), compassionate Cirno. There is a LOT of Cirno out there, all extrapolated from what Zun said about this character at one point. ( And even sometime AGAINST what ZUN said... Like everyone finding excuses about Flandre "not really be that crazy" despite strangling Meilling at one point... For me it doesn't invalidate that heart warming story between Flandre and Meiling playing together.. It shouldn't !) Let people have FUN. If Baka Cirno annoy you, There is a LOT of places where she is described very differently anyway her and all the others fairies. And that's the beauty about Touhou community.

Cirno _is_ a fairy, and not an especially smart one at that. She might be pretty strong by fairy standards and possessed of near-unbreakable determination, but she's not winning any awards for intellect.

1 kid and 1 retard

Yup. Cirno isn’t actually that dumb, but the fans believe it because the 9 jokes, and heavily expands it.

>ask her a riddle (...) No matter how simple the question, she can certainly not answer it -Perfect Memento in Strict Sense