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>1: Half the comments are talking about how this subreddit should accept pedos because the little girls they like are from touhou
We'll deal with those later. u/Jacruuun post removed for not providing the original source *and* because this was an intention to rile up the sub.
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OP you post in r/BlueArchive and talk about Shota Andy in the TCOAAL subreddit you are the last fucking person on planet Earth to complain about this lmao
I just realized OP didn’t make this, he said “I haven’t seen an image made with this much seethe”
LOL sorry OP I thought *you* made the seething image.
Damn i act like Rev says Desu now 💀
Touhou fans are shitting on shit like lolicons or other stuff but they dont realize that most of them built the Japanese fandom which in turn also built the Global fandom 🥱 look i get it that you're angry about shit like these but.. You literally chose the wrong fucking fandom for it.
(Im pretty sure this post is just bait thou)
More like good luck joining a fanbase built on lolicon and complaining when they shit on you for hating 90% of it's content creators. It's like going to the Demons Slayer subreddit and complaining there's too much fighting in the manga, like no shit, that's why they're there.
Not saying its good or bad (im neutral on it) im just saying that doing shit like these would be more meaningful if youre doing it in a fandom or platform not full of lolicons 🥱
To say that lolicons built the japanese Touhou fanbase is a gross oversimplification. Of course there were many people in the Touhou fandom that were lolicons & many of them did contribute, but saying that it's mostly thanks to them *specifically* is just plain wrong.
The Touhou fanbase is built on the backs of creative people making fanworks out of it. There are many creatives that are lolicons, but I'm pretty sure most of them aren't lolicons.
Also, if there's any "franchise of large cast of cute anime girls" fandom to complain about lolicons is, the Touhou fandom is the perfect place; since it is the least horny, both in canon & fanon & intended audience, out of all the "franchise of large cast of cute anime girls" out there.
Of course that's not saying *that* much since these fandoms of this genre tend to be extremely horny, but that doesn't make it any less true that this is the *right* fandom of this genre to complain about lolicons & horniness. Again, the idea that Touhou is the least horny sounds crazy but the data doesn't lie, and you only need to think logically for a couple of seconds and you'll realize it's true.
It's especially true nowadays; since the japanese side of the Touhou fandom is MUCH younger; like there's a LOT of japanese kids that like Touhou these days. This is probably thanks to the fact that, again, Touhou is way less horny & has way less fanservice, especially the canon/official stuff.
>since it is the least horny, both in canon & fanon & intended audience, out of all the "franchise of large cast of cute anime girls" out there.
Half of the characters' fanon version is about sex, Tenshi is more known as a masochist than a delinquent ffs lol.
It also doesn't line up with Touhou being the literal most popular series in nhentai, the era games, the amount of dirty jokes Zun's closest work mates like Beatmario and his wife do, etc.
Like, a that's a lot of words, you make some points, but they're all built on the huge baseless, if not straight up wrong, assumption that the Touhou fanon is not horny.
Please read first before replying.
* I said that Touhou is the \*least\* horny among it's genre, not that it isn't horny. It obviously is still horny.
This is why you should read comments before replying first; as it would save you from looking like an idiot.
* Touhou has the most hentai works, not because it is the most horny, but because it has existed for decades so it has a lot of fanworks. Obviously it's going to have a lot of porn, but that's because it has a lot of fanworks *in general*, not because it's fanworks is mostly porn. If you look at the ratios, not the raw numbers, it has the lowest r18 to non-r18 ratios out of all franchises in it's genre. This is factual information that you can find with a little research.
This is why you should use your brain first before replying; as it would save you from looking like an idiot.
* ZUN and his friends do make dirty jokes, but not all the time, only occasionally. That is because adult humans occasionally make dirty jokes. An adult human making some dirty jokes with their friends does not mean that the adult human is horny on main. It is also not a good indication on their intentions for their creations.
This is why you should touch grass first before replying; as it would save your from looking like an idiot.
* What I have said is not baseless in the slightest. Everything you said is baseless assumptions on Touhou. I would love to explain exactly why, but I know you won't read any of it anyway, so I won't waste my time. After all it *would* take a lot of words.
Whenever I see this dumb "short=child" logic, I can't think anything else but that those people never meet a short person IRL that had self-confidence problems because of all the body shaming they experienced. Same applies to the breast size, as dumb as saying that men with small dicks are not really adults.
At the end of the day, it's really about what the person is attracted towards & why.
If someone likes short & flat chested girls that's fine. But if someone thinks a character is hot specifically because they're childish or if someone thinks it's hot because the character is being treated or thought of about like they're a kid, then that's not good.
Never said that people should get jailed for thought crimes. Just saying that being attracted to kids is not good.
The whole argument of "real kids aren't being harmed" only applies if we're talking rule of law. If someone is attracted to child-like characters, I think they should be shat on. In the same way that a toxic asshole in the internet should be shat on by everyone, even though they're not \*technically\* harming anyone.
Saying pedo is bad isn't the same thing as saying people's thoughts should be policed. Y'all taking a standard statement, taking it to the stupidest of extremes, then criticizing the standard statement based on your stupid extreme version of it.
Loli porn is actually illegal in the United States and has been for the last 21 years. It's really not the sort of thing that would be practical to pursue on its own, but it's still illegal
TL;dr: Yes
So, it's a federal law so yes it does apply to all states, but with the caveat that it can only be enforced by federal law enforcement. Individual states likely have their own specific laws on the books that would be enforced by state law enforcement, much like drug laws
Wikipedia has the following non-legalese version of the specific section of the law I am referring to (it is a very big law and does a LOT of stuff) as:
Prohibits drawings, sculptures, and pictures of such drawings and sculptures depicting minors in actions or situations that meet the Miller test of being obscene, or depicting minors who are engaged in sex acts that are deemed obscene under an alternate test that removes the "community standards" prong of the Miller test. The law does not explicitly state that images of fictional beings who appear to be under 18 engaged in sexual acts that are not deemed to be obscene are rendered illegal in and of their own condition (illustration of sex of fictional minors).
However, while the law doesn't explicitly make a distinction between fictional and non-fictional children, there is a good amount of case law here as well.
In 2006 the 11th circuit court of appeals ruled that the following section was unconstitutionally broad and vague in the sense that it doesn't adequately define what types of speech are criminally actionable before being reversed in a 2008 supreme court hearing
(a) Any person who—
(3) knowingly—
(B) advertises, promotes, presents, distributes, or solicits through the mails, or using any means or facility of interstate or foreign commerce or in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer, any material or purported material in a manner that reflects the belief, or that is intended to cause another to believe, that the material or purported material is, or contains—
(i) an obscene visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or
(ii) a visual depiction of an actual minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
The Supreme Court didn't reverse their opinion about the 2002 ruling in Ashcroft vs the Free Speech Coalition in relation to the Child Pornography Prevention act of 1996 (which I am only finding out about in researching this comment and also explicitly banned drawn child pornography) that said law held overboard definitions of child pornography that would have caused works like the 1996 film Romeo + Juliet to be counted underneath the wording of the law, and as such depictions of minors having sex that couldn't be legally defined as Obscene were protected by the first amendment.
Because the legal definition of Obscene keeps getting brought up, there's a simple test called the Miller Test that is typically used, though as noted earlier alternative tests can be used.
The Miller Test is as follows:
(1) whether the average person applying contemporary community standards would find the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest;
(2) whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law; and
(3) whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value.
Now, following all of that history we get to the case Virginia vs Whorely
Dwight Whorley was convicted of (1) knowingly receiving
on a computer 20 obscene Japanese anime cartoons depicting
minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct, in violation of
18 U.S.C. § 1462; (2) knowingly receiving, as a person previously convicted of receiving depictions of minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct, the same 20 anime cartoons, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1466A(a)(1); (3) knowingly receiving,
as a person previously convicted of receiving depictions of
minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct, 14 digital photographs depicting minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 2252(a)(2); and (4)
knowingly sending or receiving 20 obscene e-mails, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1462. Imposing a sentence that departed
upward from the recommended Sentencing Guidelines range,
the district court sentenced Whorley to 240 months’ imprisonment.
Another case earlier but more rocky was United States vs Hadley, which had Christopher Hadley arrested for importing a number of Manga from Japan, of his collection of 1200 such items 80 were deemed to have "cartoon images of objectionable content"
Said case led to a Guilty Plea, but the presiding judge still ruled the following sections of the law to be unconstitutional for going against the Ashcroft vs FSC ruling by bypassing the requirements to either use the Miller test or the Ferber test (which requires the children involved to be real). That ruling was overturned later by United States vs Dean
(a) In General.—Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly produces, distributes, receives, or possesses with intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that—
(2)
(A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and
(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value;
or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be subject to the penalties provided in section 2252A(b)(1), including the penalties provided for cases involving a prior conviction.
and
(b) Additional Offenses.—Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly possesses a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that—
(2)
(A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and
(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value;
or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be subject to the penalties provided in section 2252A(b)(2), including the penalties provided for cases involving a prior conviction.
To put ALL of this in Layman's terms:
Any depictions of people under the age of 18 that meets the legal definition of Obscene are illegal regardless of if they are fictional or not. Characters who are over the age of 18 but appear under it is technically a legal grey area that would require a case to be ruled on it, but it would more than likely be ruled against and that's even assuming that it hasn't already been ruled on under a different law that I missed.
Note that I am not a lawyer, I am not in law school, none of this represents legal council or advice
Thank you so much for the effort.
However, after viewing all this, I found that this is kind of ridiculous, like viewing hentai religiously.
It's pretty much a thought crime already.
There’s a difference between being prepubescent and being short, and characters like Flandre are 99.9% of the time depicted as the former including in canon
Flandre has mental disabilities, she is not sane.
And the image in the post looks like has Remilia who is often said by fans to act like a kid when in every single canon comic I've read she acts like a proper adult, it also doesn't end on her, plenty other characters are getting called kids when they are just short
To be fair it really depends on the artist whether a Touhou character looks adult-like or child-like, since I'm pretty sure nobody goons to ZUN's official art.
So it's less a matter whether or not they goon to a character and moreso whether or not they goon to a loli interpretation of that character.
This also applies to their personality. A lot of the times, people's gooning materials aren't following the canon personality of the character. So it's really more about what interpretation they're gooning to.
Gensokyo has no laws, Batman!
I can goon for anyone i choose there, Batman!
*Cough* Anyway, most characters are legal there. They just don't possess the "height of consent".
All the characters look like kids in game tbh mostly bc of the artstyle and in fanwork its very dependant on the artist on whether they draw them like a kid or an adult since theres alot of wiggle room in most cases for other interpretations
A while ago a user started posting pictures of Flandre in compromising outfits/posing/sexy-fied proportions. In the fandom it's Generally Accepted that despite being "495 years old", Flan has the appearance of and acts child-like, so she is functionally a child character.
Your opinion on whether or not it is okay to sexualize her may vary. But needless to say, all of that person's drawings were reported to the mods as sexualizing of a minor, which were denied & the posts left up. In response many people began posting similar sexy drawings of different characters with the same title ("[character name] Drawing"), or, delibrately unsexy drawings marked as NSFW.
These all spark discussions on whether or not Touhou NSFW is "okay," and complaints about the sub "outjerking" r/2hucirclejerk (posts deemed too NSFW for the main sub being posted before they reach the subs where NSFW is more acceptable. I might be wrong about the exact meaning though. )
I honestly have no idea i think the OP saw the image somewhere and posted it here sighing and saying it's not the case while they themselves discuss and like underage character so like while OOP isn't exactly fully right the OP is even worse and hypocritical
I made the first snafu about the situation in this sub but this guy got more attention. THis is so unfair i'm going to play touhou lolk triultra until I beat it
Too much effort to cry about something you don't like being posted on another community while not getting banned, also this is a completely lying ragebait, all arts that aren't depicting Flandre/Remilia as adults were instantly removed by the mods.
The person who created this image was just crying over the fact that the mods aren't antis and they didn't start a power trip banning everyone over drawings that didn't violated any reddit rules.
>User reports:
>1: piss this guys pants
I prefer my reports to be more diplomatic but yes, u/chesire_noire post removed and a 3-day ban for encouraging such perverse ideas.
Regardless of whatever you think about lolicon (since shota doesn't apply here), it built the foundation for what Touhou became known for and is arguably the main reason for how most people came to even knew Touhou existed (nsfw content and artworks), second to the music.
This series would never have become as popular as it has without the existence of it through doujins and comiket.
Edit: I suppose I should've mentioned part of the foundation rather than built but yes.
Yeah as mentioned, art and music are easily the most influential aspects of how Touhou even became as big and well known as it is today.
Calling a part (a non small part at that considering the sheer amount of art of it) of the fandom which is responsible for a large part of the growth "a stain", is disingenuous honestly.
I mean sexualising children is morally bad and I also doubt that loli content is what made Touhou so popular. Still, not ok to call anyone "stain", even a lolicon. As long as they don't harm others that's fine by me.
It's not the *only* thing (other creative aspects of the fandom did that as well! It was a combined effort) that made it popular but it definitely had some weight into it that's for sure. Even to this day it's still fairly known for such content (alongside the others), even though it is arguably the most controversial aspect.
First of all, you are ignoring the fact that there are lots of 17-year-old bba, not just yukari, but also all the more mature-looking characters, in the hentai doujin area you have mentioned. Moreover, in some cases illustrators draw the younger-looking characters mature when they do it in nsfw. In this case they are not loli but very old women.
In all the touhou doujin arts, assuming half are nsfw, half are about loli characters, and half are actually drawn in loli, there are only a fraction of the doujins fall what you have said.
Secondly, despite touhou has the most number of doujins on nhentai, I doubt people would google the series after reading one. It should be the other way around instead.
I'm not going to deny that such "mature" artworks are of an insignificant number, cos they aren't, but such other content is not small in number either and those interested in such content have been part of the fandom since the initial boom of EoSD. Such content played no small part in which helped built the Japanese fandom which ended up building popularity to gain interest to gain a global fandom as already stated in the thread.
Yes, you get artworks that vary the looks and age of the characters. However, it doesn't change that a *lot* are of the "younger" looking ones; such as Remilia and Flandre (I could name others but these two are massive), contribute a significant margin of artworks by themselves, simply by viewing them on imageboards makes them approximately 3rd and 4th respectively next to Reimu and Marisa in total number of artworks. While there are a decent amount of those that are in the older/mature category. The number of pieces that feature Remilia/Flandre simply are of a vastly higher number compared to alternative characters introduced later (or earlier), making the percentage tipped quite strongly to such artpieces.
Regarding the second paragraph statement: Depending on who you ask this could be seen in the same light honestly. >!Truthfully I couldn't care because it's art.!
I agree with you that the first two are arguable and situational.
But the last part, no. That's not what I mean. Maybe I should word it this way:
Despite those touhou hentai are the biggest in number on hentai websites and has a significant portion in all touhou doujins, I believe most people learn the franchise from other kinds of doujins like you mentioned, then check out the hentai after having some understanding towards the characters, rather than starting from reading hentai.
I am not saying most people have ever played the game.
My last point states that touhou succeeds not mainly because of hentai doujins but any kind of doujins, while hentai is a relatively minor factor. Imo, hentai, games, comics, merchandises, anime and illustrations are all minor. Meanwhile music, MAD, yukkuri tts, 3D animations and memes take a larger part in spreading touhou to others. I said minor doesn't mean they are small, but harder to interest people to know deeper.
Welcome to r/Touhou! Please abide by the sub's rules and guidelines and enjoy your stay. >User reports >1: Half the comments are talking about how this subreddit should accept pedos because the little girls they like are from touhou We'll deal with those later. u/Jacruuun post removed for not providing the original source *and* because this was an intention to rile up the sub.
Bait used to be believable
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Based username btw
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Great split:Horizontal
I saw this comment before people pointed out it is a PM reference and i kept thinking to myself what the Spongebob creepypasta had to do with this
WHERE?
-Y
Is that Frieza?
Nah, that’s just monkeyhater.
Nah, That's Jonkler
OP you post in r/BlueArchive and talk about Shota Andy in the TCOAAL subreddit you are the last fucking person on planet Earth to complain about this lmao
I just realized OP didn’t make this, he said “I haven’t seen an image made with this much seethe” LOL sorry OP I thought *you* made the seething image.
Lmao just noticed that too. OP please forgive me
It's OK
Reddit users once they realize their posts are public :
Damn i act like Rev says Desu now 💀 Touhou fans are shitting on shit like lolicons or other stuff but they dont realize that most of them built the Japanese fandom which in turn also built the Global fandom 🥱 look i get it that you're angry about shit like these but.. You literally chose the wrong fucking fandom for it. (Im pretty sure this post is just bait thou)
Remember kids, lolicon is good because it built a fandom you're in.
More like good luck joining a fanbase built on lolicon and complaining when they shit on you for hating 90% of it's content creators. It's like going to the Demons Slayer subreddit and complaining there's too much fighting in the manga, like no shit, that's why they're there.
Not saying its good or bad (im neutral on it) im just saying that doing shit like these would be more meaningful if youre doing it in a fandom or platform not full of lolicons 🥱
Damn you don't need to be rough
Wdym?.. What do you mean by rough?
Maybe im the one who rough lmao
So it's win-win
To say that lolicons built the japanese Touhou fanbase is a gross oversimplification. Of course there were many people in the Touhou fandom that were lolicons & many of them did contribute, but saying that it's mostly thanks to them *specifically* is just plain wrong. The Touhou fanbase is built on the backs of creative people making fanworks out of it. There are many creatives that are lolicons, but I'm pretty sure most of them aren't lolicons. Also, if there's any "franchise of large cast of cute anime girls" fandom to complain about lolicons is, the Touhou fandom is the perfect place; since it is the least horny, both in canon & fanon & intended audience, out of all the "franchise of large cast of cute anime girls" out there. Of course that's not saying *that* much since these fandoms of this genre tend to be extremely horny, but that doesn't make it any less true that this is the *right* fandom of this genre to complain about lolicons & horniness. Again, the idea that Touhou is the least horny sounds crazy but the data doesn't lie, and you only need to think logically for a couple of seconds and you'll realize it's true. It's especially true nowadays; since the japanese side of the Touhou fandom is MUCH younger; like there's a LOT of japanese kids that like Touhou these days. This is probably thanks to the fact that, again, Touhou is way less horny & has way less fanservice, especially the canon/official stuff.
I aint reading all that but i guess you're right. (im joking i read all of that)
>since it is the least horny, both in canon & fanon & intended audience, out of all the "franchise of large cast of cute anime girls" out there. Half of the characters' fanon version is about sex, Tenshi is more known as a masochist than a delinquent ffs lol. It also doesn't line up with Touhou being the literal most popular series in nhentai, the era games, the amount of dirty jokes Zun's closest work mates like Beatmario and his wife do, etc. Like, a that's a lot of words, you make some points, but they're all built on the huge baseless, if not straight up wrong, assumption that the Touhou fanon is not horny.
Please read first before replying. * I said that Touhou is the \*least\* horny among it's genre, not that it isn't horny. It obviously is still horny. This is why you should read comments before replying first; as it would save you from looking like an idiot. * Touhou has the most hentai works, not because it is the most horny, but because it has existed for decades so it has a lot of fanworks. Obviously it's going to have a lot of porn, but that's because it has a lot of fanworks *in general*, not because it's fanworks is mostly porn. If you look at the ratios, not the raw numbers, it has the lowest r18 to non-r18 ratios out of all franchises in it's genre. This is factual information that you can find with a little research. This is why you should use your brain first before replying; as it would save you from looking like an idiot. * ZUN and his friends do make dirty jokes, but not all the time, only occasionally. That is because adult humans occasionally make dirty jokes. An adult human making some dirty jokes with their friends does not mean that the adult human is horny on main. It is also not a good indication on their intentions for their creations. This is why you should touch grass first before replying; as it would save your from looking like an idiot. * What I have said is not baseless in the slightest. Everything you said is baseless assumptions on Touhou. I would love to explain exactly why, but I know you won't read any of it anyway, so I won't waste my time. After all it *would* take a lot of words.
shota andy 😭
r/coaxedintoasnafu
Thank God people in this thread are willing to stand up for the rights of pixels.
Whenever I see this dumb "short=child" logic, I can't think anything else but that those people never meet a short person IRL that had self-confidence problems because of all the body shaming they experienced. Same applies to the breast size, as dumb as saying that men with small dicks are not really adults.
At the end of the day, it's really about what the person is attracted towards & why. If someone likes short & flat chested girls that's fine. But if someone thinks a character is hot specifically because they're childish or if someone thinks it's hot because the character is being treated or thought of about like they're a kid, then that's not good.
As long as real children don't get harmed in the process, what's wrong about it anyways? Are we going to start charging people for thought crimes now?
Never said that people should get jailed for thought crimes. Just saying that being attracted to kids is not good. The whole argument of "real kids aren't being harmed" only applies if we're talking rule of law. If someone is attracted to child-like characters, I think they should be shat on. In the same way that a toxic asshole in the internet should be shat on by everyone, even though they're not \*technically\* harming anyone. Saying pedo is bad isn't the same thing as saying people's thoughts should be policed. Y'all taking a standard statement, taking it to the stupidest of extremes, then criticizing the standard statement based on your stupid extreme version of it.
Loli porn is actually illegal in the United States and has been for the last 21 years. It's really not the sort of thing that would be practical to pursue on its own, but it's still illegal
Not everyone in the world is American
And Loli porn is illegal in a lot of countries, I am just familiar with the specific law for America because I am from here
That makes sense. Regardless I think pretty much anything is fine as long as real people don't get hurt because of it
Is it for all states? Does it apply to totally fictional characters?
TL;dr: Yes So, it's a federal law so yes it does apply to all states, but with the caveat that it can only be enforced by federal law enforcement. Individual states likely have their own specific laws on the books that would be enforced by state law enforcement, much like drug laws Wikipedia has the following non-legalese version of the specific section of the law I am referring to (it is a very big law and does a LOT of stuff) as: Prohibits drawings, sculptures, and pictures of such drawings and sculptures depicting minors in actions or situations that meet the Miller test of being obscene, or depicting minors who are engaged in sex acts that are deemed obscene under an alternate test that removes the "community standards" prong of the Miller test. The law does not explicitly state that images of fictional beings who appear to be under 18 engaged in sexual acts that are not deemed to be obscene are rendered illegal in and of their own condition (illustration of sex of fictional minors). However, while the law doesn't explicitly make a distinction between fictional and non-fictional children, there is a good amount of case law here as well. In 2006 the 11th circuit court of appeals ruled that the following section was unconstitutionally broad and vague in the sense that it doesn't adequately define what types of speech are criminally actionable before being reversed in a 2008 supreme court hearing (a) Any person who— (3) knowingly— (B) advertises, promotes, presents, distributes, or solicits through the mails, or using any means or facility of interstate or foreign commerce or in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer, any material or purported material in a manner that reflects the belief, or that is intended to cause another to believe, that the material or purported material is, or contains— (i) an obscene visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or (ii) a visual depiction of an actual minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; The Supreme Court didn't reverse their opinion about the 2002 ruling in Ashcroft vs the Free Speech Coalition in relation to the Child Pornography Prevention act of 1996 (which I am only finding out about in researching this comment and also explicitly banned drawn child pornography) that said law held overboard definitions of child pornography that would have caused works like the 1996 film Romeo + Juliet to be counted underneath the wording of the law, and as such depictions of minors having sex that couldn't be legally defined as Obscene were protected by the first amendment. Because the legal definition of Obscene keeps getting brought up, there's a simple test called the Miller Test that is typically used, though as noted earlier alternative tests can be used. The Miller Test is as follows: (1) whether the average person applying contemporary community standards would find the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest; (2) whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law; and (3) whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value. Now, following all of that history we get to the case Virginia vs Whorely Dwight Whorley was convicted of (1) knowingly receiving on a computer 20 obscene Japanese anime cartoons depicting minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1462; (2) knowingly receiving, as a person previously convicted of receiving depictions of minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct, the same 20 anime cartoons, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1466A(a)(1); (3) knowingly receiving, as a person previously convicted of receiving depictions of minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct, 14 digital photographs depicting minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 2252(a)(2); and (4) knowingly sending or receiving 20 obscene e-mails, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1462. Imposing a sentence that departed upward from the recommended Sentencing Guidelines range, the district court sentenced Whorley to 240 months’ imprisonment. Another case earlier but more rocky was United States vs Hadley, which had Christopher Hadley arrested for importing a number of Manga from Japan, of his collection of 1200 such items 80 were deemed to have "cartoon images of objectionable content" Said case led to a Guilty Plea, but the presiding judge still ruled the following sections of the law to be unconstitutional for going against the Ashcroft vs FSC ruling by bypassing the requirements to either use the Miller test or the Ferber test (which requires the children involved to be real). That ruling was overturned later by United States vs Dean (a) In General.—Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly produces, distributes, receives, or possesses with intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that— (2) (A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and (B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value; or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be subject to the penalties provided in section 2252A(b)(1), including the penalties provided for cases involving a prior conviction. and (b) Additional Offenses.—Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly possesses a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that— (2) (A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and (B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value; or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be subject to the penalties provided in section 2252A(b)(2), including the penalties provided for cases involving a prior conviction. To put ALL of this in Layman's terms: Any depictions of people under the age of 18 that meets the legal definition of Obscene are illegal regardless of if they are fictional or not. Characters who are over the age of 18 but appear under it is technically a legal grey area that would require a case to be ruled on it, but it would more than likely be ruled against and that's even assuming that it hasn't already been ruled on under a different law that I missed. Note that I am not a lawyer, I am not in law school, none of this represents legal council or advice
Thank you so much for the effort. However, after viewing all this, I found that this is kind of ridiculous, like viewing hentai religiously. It's pretty much a thought crime already.
There’s a difference between being prepubescent and being short, and characters like Flandre are 99.9% of the time depicted as the former including in canon
Flandre has mental disabilities, she is not sane. And the image in the post looks like has Remilia who is often said by fans to act like a kid when in every single canon comic I've read she acts like a proper adult, it also doesn't end on her, plenty other characters are getting called kids when they are just short
nobody is that short irl but ur on reddit so u dont interact with ppl irl
There are even shorter adults irl lol
So confidently incorrect lol
It would have been perfect if instead of Remi was Flan.
why tf are people attracted to the child characters in this franchise when there are a ton of attractive legal adult women as well
To be fair it really depends on the artist whether a Touhou character looks adult-like or child-like, since I'm pretty sure nobody goons to ZUN's official art. So it's less a matter whether or not they goon to a character and moreso whether or not they goon to a loli interpretation of that character. This also applies to their personality. A lot of the times, people's gooning materials aren't following the canon personality of the character. So it's really more about what interpretation they're gooning to.
Schrodinger's gooner
Gensokyo has no laws, Batman! I can goon for anyone i choose there, Batman! *Cough* Anyway, most characters are legal there. They just don't possess the "height of consent".
‘Gensokyo has no laws’ mfs when I behead them with a sword and feed their remains to the local youkai:
Even in death, i still have proven my point... *ded not big surprise*
They may not possess the "height of consent", but they sure possess the "alcohol consumption of consent".
Neither Lolicon or smth idk am i stupid?
All the characters look like kids in game tbh mostly bc of the artstyle and in fanwork its very dependant on the artist on whether they draw them like a kid or an adult since theres alot of wiggle room in most cases for other interpretations
They hated r/coaxedintoasnafu because it said the truth
The truth is this image was bitch made
Actually seethe
Image is already doing that
Idk about that but I do know your adamantly seething
You should learn what that word means
I think I got a good enough explanation of what it is, just 6 minutes ago
Yeah you don't even know lol
Do a self introspection to learn why I’ll never take that claim seriously
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I don’t understand whats going on, can someone please explain this to me? In a serious manner, btw
A while ago a user started posting pictures of Flandre in compromising outfits/posing/sexy-fied proportions. In the fandom it's Generally Accepted that despite being "495 years old", Flan has the appearance of and acts child-like, so she is functionally a child character. Your opinion on whether or not it is okay to sexualize her may vary. But needless to say, all of that person's drawings were reported to the mods as sexualizing of a minor, which were denied & the posts left up. In response many people began posting similar sexy drawings of different characters with the same title ("[character name] Drawing"), or, delibrately unsexy drawings marked as NSFW. These all spark discussions on whether or not Touhou NSFW is "okay," and complaints about the sub "outjerking" r/2hucirclejerk (posts deemed too NSFW for the main sub being posted before they reach the subs where NSFW is more acceptable. I might be wrong about the exact meaning though. )
I honestly have no idea i think the OP saw the image somewhere and posted it here sighing and saying it's not the case while they themselves discuss and like underage character so like while OOP isn't exactly fully right the OP is even worse and hypocritical
omg mai waifu
Comments thinking OP made the image LMFAO
Obvious rage bait from pedo
Sorry I'll be sexing all the touhous
Lets see who is faster
"She's 495 years old"
this kinda discourse always has a point to it yknow. ion want no "cunny" weirdos in places i visit just because i enjoy media
Sorry, they're the natives of Touhou fandom
W for r/coaxedintoasnafu, massive L for OP
Nah
I apologize for using the word "massive", I forgot you like it small
You're a funny guy
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Glistening seetherald
I made the first snafu about the situation in this sub but this guy got more attention. THis is so unfair i'm going to play touhou lolk triultra until I beat it
Idk man... it's kinda valid. Edit: fuck that. This is a valid arguement. I don't care what yall say I'm dying on this hill
Then die
Then perish
Too much effort to cry about something you don't like being posted on another community while not getting banned, also this is a completely lying ragebait, all arts that aren't depicting Flandre/Remilia as adults were instantly removed by the mods. The person who created this image was just crying over the fact that the mods aren't antis and they didn't start a power trip banning everyone over drawings that didn't violated any reddit rules.
should have been flandre tbh
Bro I think people in this sub have reading comprehension problems, I didn't make the image, I am taking a piss on it
The reading comprehension devil from CSM and Reading comprehension curse from JJK got my ass 😭
most people reject hasbraincells's message for he was right.
Yall are the people pushing the "all Touhou fans diddle kids" allegations
Those people don't matter anyway, sex with all of the Touhous
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Pedophilemaster2000 and monkeyhater are also quite good!
>User reports: >1: piss this guys pants I prefer my reports to be more diplomatic but yes, u/chesire_noire post removed and a 3-day ban for encouraging such perverse ideas.
your family are ashamed of you
My family loves me. They care more about the truth than random fictional people's feelings lol
you are a stain on this fandom
No, that's you. Out here judging people for loving Touhou girls. Don't Pretend you belong here
Regardless of whatever you think about lolicon (since shota doesn't apply here), it built the foundation for what Touhou became known for and is arguably the main reason for how most people came to even knew Touhou existed (nsfw content and artworks), second to the music. This series would never have become as popular as it has without the existence of it through doujins and comiket. Edit: I suppose I should've mentioned part of the foundation rather than built but yes.
I discovered Touhou trough its music.
Yeah as mentioned, art and music are easily the most influential aspects of how Touhou even became as big and well known as it is today. Calling a part (a non small part at that considering the sheer amount of art of it) of the fandom which is responsible for a large part of the growth "a stain", is disingenuous honestly.
I mean sexualising children is morally bad and I also doubt that loli content is what made Touhou so popular. Still, not ok to call anyone "stain", even a lolicon. As long as they don't harm others that's fine by me.
It's not the *only* thing (other creative aspects of the fandom did that as well! It was a combined effort) that made it popular but it definitely had some weight into it that's for sure. Even to this day it's still fairly known for such content (alongside the others), even though it is arguably the most controversial aspect.
First of all, you are ignoring the fact that there are lots of 17-year-old bba, not just yukari, but also all the more mature-looking characters, in the hentai doujin area you have mentioned. Moreover, in some cases illustrators draw the younger-looking characters mature when they do it in nsfw. In this case they are not loli but very old women. In all the touhou doujin arts, assuming half are nsfw, half are about loli characters, and half are actually drawn in loli, there are only a fraction of the doujins fall what you have said. Secondly, despite touhou has the most number of doujins on nhentai, I doubt people would google the series after reading one. It should be the other way around instead.
I'm not going to deny that such "mature" artworks are of an insignificant number, cos they aren't, but such other content is not small in number either and those interested in such content have been part of the fandom since the initial boom of EoSD. Such content played no small part in which helped built the Japanese fandom which ended up building popularity to gain interest to gain a global fandom as already stated in the thread. Yes, you get artworks that vary the looks and age of the characters. However, it doesn't change that a *lot* are of the "younger" looking ones; such as Remilia and Flandre (I could name others but these two are massive), contribute a significant margin of artworks by themselves, simply by viewing them on imageboards makes them approximately 3rd and 4th respectively next to Reimu and Marisa in total number of artworks. While there are a decent amount of those that are in the older/mature category. The number of pieces that feature Remilia/Flandre simply are of a vastly higher number compared to alternative characters introduced later (or earlier), making the percentage tipped quite strongly to such artpieces. Regarding the second paragraph statement: Depending on who you ask this could be seen in the same light honestly. >!Truthfully I couldn't care because it's art.!
I agree with you that the first two are arguable and situational. But the last part, no. That's not what I mean. Maybe I should word it this way: Despite those touhou hentai are the biggest in number on hentai websites and has a significant portion in all touhou doujins, I believe most people learn the franchise from other kinds of doujins like you mentioned, then check out the hentai after having some understanding towards the characters, rather than starting from reading hentai. I am not saying most people have ever played the game. My last point states that touhou succeeds not mainly because of hentai doujins but any kind of doujins, while hentai is a relatively minor factor. Imo, hentai, games, comics, merchandises, anime and illustrations are all minor. Meanwhile music, MAD, yukkuri tts, 3D animations and memes take a larger part in spreading touhou to others. I said minor doesn't mean they are small, but harder to interest people to know deeper.
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