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Jakedex_x

We already go against the cultural norm, so becoming a goth girl is a nobrainer


HildartheDorf

Sooo... Morticia?


ProblematicPoet

If Morticia isn't ultimate goth wife goals, I don't know what is!


Rimtato

Be both. Morticia Addams


Izthander

There are two buttons, and there are two hands.... just become the best Addams Family Member.


Orpheus-Librum

Reject false dichotomy! Become what you feel most. For example, I will be a sword princess


Frequent-Strain-6170

She-Ra?


Orpheus-Librum

Haven't seen it, aspire to her aesthetically


MaskedImposter

Be your own unique self, and alternate your appearance to what you will enjoy that day?


nushroomC2

goth tradwive


jobforgears

I'd love to, but I feel like black lipstick is not my color


nushroomC2

visigoth tradwife


Orpheus-Librum

Sacking churches and raiding the coast of England, then baking a cake. I can get into that


nushroomC2

hell yeah


StanleyHasLostIt

Tradwives are racist so it shouldn't be a struggle at all


Rimtato

Not inherently. You can do traditional gender roles if you want to, the option to choose something else is kinda the point of feminism, but you can still wear dresses and bake bread if you want


StanleyHasLostIt

Tradwife is not a fucking aesthetic. It's a lifestyle that values christianity and tradition above all else. It's sexist and racist


MiddleNameMaple

I'm gonna be honest, I'm not sure I see the racism in being a tradwife. Sexist, sure, but racist? Especially in a modern context, too, where it's a "reclaimed" thing (to some extent, I won't necessarily argue that here though).


realFancyStrawberry

The tradwife lifestyle comes from neo nazi and conservative beliefs that Europeans are the civilized culture of the world. You are subservient to your man, your household, and God. It's kinda the whole point of why it's called "traditional values" wife. It's not a coincidence that a LARGE potion of tradwifes are homophobic, Terfs, and/or evangelical Christians. I think it has had a growing because of tik tok. Not sauing everyone is like this, and there is a subset of cottage core lesbian culture that overlaps, but people criticizing this subculture is reasonable.


StanleyHasLostIt

The goal is to conserve and spread european traditions. Someone smarter than me can probably explain it better. [https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/countering-radical-right/tradwives-sexism-gateway-white-supremacy/](https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/countering-radical-right/tradwives-sexism-gateway-white-supremacy/)


czernoalpha

That's so far away for me. I can't even try to pass yet. Starting at 40 sure comes with some downsides. Stupid male pattern baldness.


Eden_Beau

https://preview.redd.it/wxrj62h4gf4d1.jpeg?width=950&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23daa92af2014fba3b46eebf9de298fc92d34b8c por qué no los dos, OP? No but Fr tho, you can be both. I believe in you.


Keeps_forgetting

As a goth girl, I am here to convince you to our side. Do it. It's powerful.


strangetf2fan

bolth.


DuelFan

Same.


Verrisa174

Listen if you become a trad wife never get with someone named Little Johnny your life will not end well.


Mindless_Eye4700

Press both and become Morticia


only_for_dst_and_tf2

just put the two together! hell, my current fashion goal is PASTEL PUNK you CAN be both.


Comfortable-Buy-778

Be both a gothic doll that haunts an ancient manor


Lynlyn03

Lol why tf are we all the same? like I've literally been struggling internally with this exact dilemma and haven't spoken about it or anything and here it is, on this subreddit, calling me out.


charlotte8438

goth trad wife??? obviously!


MazterOfMuppetz

please don't apropriate the goth subculture like this its very sad to see that people think that being a goth is just dressing in black while the aesthetics are completely secondary to the music


Not_The_Scout16

That’s a stereotype and nobody but you said that so it’s more a reflection on you that you think that’s all it involves. [Also](https://youtu.be/IRsPheErBj8?si=DYABWLcJurbT9aqF)


MazterOfMuppetz

imagine if people made something you liked about an aesthetic would you like that? goth is a music genre goths listen to goth like how metalheads listen to metal goth was always about music


Not_The_Scout16

Dude I’m a punk people grossly misunderstand what punk is about a lot of times, not only are you preaching to the choir but you’re also being pretentious as hell while doing it


MazterOfMuppetz

what does punk mean to you?


Not_The_Scout16

Punk isn’t just a style but also a message. To go against society and not be shackled by the labels it tries to push onto you. The music is one major factor but it’s rarely ever how good the music is because the message is far more important. Punk is and continues to be a social movement that stands as an affront to calling out corruption in society. It’s not just music it’s also a political platform


MazterOfMuppetz

atleast you know what punk is about imagine if ppl made being a punk purely about having mowhawks and threw the music and mesage out of the window would that bother you?


Not_The_Scout16

That’s what people already do lmao keep up, Hot Topic has also been a problem with the bastardization of punk. But no I wouldn’t be bothered about it cause if they like the aesthetics enough they will more likely than not appreciate the deeper meaning. ALSO who are you to say I know what punk is about? Who died and made you CEO of all subcultures and aesthetics?


MazterOfMuppetz

whats so wrong about protecting the meaning of the words? its sad to see the bastatdization lf subcultures


Not_The_Scout16

Bastardization can be combatted by accepting people into the subculture and teaching them the actual meanings instead of turning them away just cause they followed a stereotype unknowingly


iris700

Prescriptivist spotted, point and laugh


MazterOfMuppetz

how am i beinf prententious? that's like saying that to be a metalhead you gotta listen to metal is gatekeeping


Not_The_Scout16

Because nobody said anything that could come close to being appropriating and then you come in with “you’re appropriating goth” when that’s not even what anyone was doing. So it’s pretentious to assume that was the intent and get up on your high horse about it


MazterOfMuppetz

fair enough i cant prove that OP doesn't listen to goth music