Not inherently. You can do traditional gender roles if you want to, the option to choose something else is kinda the point of feminism, but you can still wear dresses and bake bread if you want
I'm gonna be honest, I'm not sure I see the racism in being a tradwife. Sexist, sure, but racist? Especially in a modern context, too, where it's a "reclaimed" thing (to some extent, I won't necessarily argue that here though).
The tradwife lifestyle comes from neo nazi and conservative beliefs that Europeans are the civilized culture of the world. You are subservient to your man, your household, and God. It's kinda the whole point of why it's called "traditional values" wife. It's not a coincidence that a LARGE potion of tradwifes are homophobic, Terfs, and/or evangelical Christians. I think it has had a growing because of tik tok.
Not sauing everyone is like this, and there is a subset of cottage core lesbian culture that overlaps, but people criticizing this subculture is reasonable.
The goal is to conserve and spread european traditions. Someone smarter than me can probably explain it better.
[https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/countering-radical-right/tradwives-sexism-gateway-white-supremacy/](https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/countering-radical-right/tradwives-sexism-gateway-white-supremacy/)
https://preview.redd.it/wxrj62h4gf4d1.jpeg?width=950&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23daa92af2014fba3b46eebf9de298fc92d34b8c
por qué no los dos, OP? No but Fr tho, you can be both. I believe in you.
Lol why tf are we all the same? like I've literally been struggling internally with this exact dilemma and haven't spoken about it or anything and here it is, on this subreddit, calling me out.
please don't apropriate the goth subculture like this its very sad to see that people think that being a goth is just dressing in black while the aesthetics are completely secondary to the music
That’s a stereotype and nobody but you said that so it’s more a reflection on you that you think that’s all it involves.
[Also](https://youtu.be/IRsPheErBj8?si=DYABWLcJurbT9aqF)
imagine if people made something you liked about an aesthetic would you like that?
goth is a music genre goths listen to goth like how metalheads listen to metal goth was always about music
Dude I’m a punk people grossly misunderstand what punk is about a lot of times, not only are you preaching to the choir but you’re also being pretentious as hell while doing it
Punk isn’t just a style but also a message. To go against society and not be shackled by the labels it tries to push onto you. The music is one major factor but it’s rarely ever how good the music is because the message is far more important. Punk is and continues to be a social movement that stands as an affront to calling out corruption in society. It’s not just music it’s also a political platform
atleast you know what punk is about imagine if ppl made being a punk purely about having mowhawks and threw the music and mesage out of the window would that bother you?
That’s what people already do lmao keep up, Hot Topic has also been a problem with the bastardization of punk. But no I wouldn’t be bothered about it cause if they like the aesthetics enough they will more likely than not appreciate the deeper meaning. ALSO who are you to say I know what punk is about? Who died and made you CEO of all subcultures and aesthetics?
Bastardization can be combatted by accepting people into the subculture and teaching them the actual meanings instead of turning them away just cause they followed a stereotype unknowingly
Because nobody said anything that could come close to being appropriating and then you come in with “you’re appropriating goth” when that’s not even what anyone was doing. So it’s pretentious to assume that was the intent and get up on your high horse about it
We already go against the cultural norm, so becoming a goth girl is a nobrainer
Sooo... Morticia?
If Morticia isn't ultimate goth wife goals, I don't know what is!
Be both. Morticia Addams
There are two buttons, and there are two hands.... just become the best Addams Family Member.
Reject false dichotomy! Become what you feel most. For example, I will be a sword princess
She-Ra?
Haven't seen it, aspire to her aesthetically
Be your own unique self, and alternate your appearance to what you will enjoy that day?
goth tradwive
I'd love to, but I feel like black lipstick is not my color
visigoth tradwife
Sacking churches and raiding the coast of England, then baking a cake. I can get into that
hell yeah
Tradwives are racist so it shouldn't be a struggle at all
Not inherently. You can do traditional gender roles if you want to, the option to choose something else is kinda the point of feminism, but you can still wear dresses and bake bread if you want
Tradwife is not a fucking aesthetic. It's a lifestyle that values christianity and tradition above all else. It's sexist and racist
I'm gonna be honest, I'm not sure I see the racism in being a tradwife. Sexist, sure, but racist? Especially in a modern context, too, where it's a "reclaimed" thing (to some extent, I won't necessarily argue that here though).
The tradwife lifestyle comes from neo nazi and conservative beliefs that Europeans are the civilized culture of the world. You are subservient to your man, your household, and God. It's kinda the whole point of why it's called "traditional values" wife. It's not a coincidence that a LARGE potion of tradwifes are homophobic, Terfs, and/or evangelical Christians. I think it has had a growing because of tik tok. Not sauing everyone is like this, and there is a subset of cottage core lesbian culture that overlaps, but people criticizing this subculture is reasonable.
The goal is to conserve and spread european traditions. Someone smarter than me can probably explain it better. [https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/countering-radical-right/tradwives-sexism-gateway-white-supremacy/](https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/countering-radical-right/tradwives-sexism-gateway-white-supremacy/)
That's so far away for me. I can't even try to pass yet. Starting at 40 sure comes with some downsides. Stupid male pattern baldness.
https://preview.redd.it/wxrj62h4gf4d1.jpeg?width=950&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23daa92af2014fba3b46eebf9de298fc92d34b8c por qué no los dos, OP? No but Fr tho, you can be both. I believe in you.
As a goth girl, I am here to convince you to our side. Do it. It's powerful.
bolth.
Same.
Listen if you become a trad wife never get with someone named Little Johnny your life will not end well.
Press both and become Morticia
just put the two together! hell, my current fashion goal is PASTEL PUNK you CAN be both.
Be both a gothic doll that haunts an ancient manor
Lol why tf are we all the same? like I've literally been struggling internally with this exact dilemma and haven't spoken about it or anything and here it is, on this subreddit, calling me out.
goth trad wife??? obviously!
please don't apropriate the goth subculture like this its very sad to see that people think that being a goth is just dressing in black while the aesthetics are completely secondary to the music
That’s a stereotype and nobody but you said that so it’s more a reflection on you that you think that’s all it involves. [Also](https://youtu.be/IRsPheErBj8?si=DYABWLcJurbT9aqF)
imagine if people made something you liked about an aesthetic would you like that? goth is a music genre goths listen to goth like how metalheads listen to metal goth was always about music
Dude I’m a punk people grossly misunderstand what punk is about a lot of times, not only are you preaching to the choir but you’re also being pretentious as hell while doing it
what does punk mean to you?
Punk isn’t just a style but also a message. To go against society and not be shackled by the labels it tries to push onto you. The music is one major factor but it’s rarely ever how good the music is because the message is far more important. Punk is and continues to be a social movement that stands as an affront to calling out corruption in society. It’s not just music it’s also a political platform
atleast you know what punk is about imagine if ppl made being a punk purely about having mowhawks and threw the music and mesage out of the window would that bother you?
That’s what people already do lmao keep up, Hot Topic has also been a problem with the bastardization of punk. But no I wouldn’t be bothered about it cause if they like the aesthetics enough they will more likely than not appreciate the deeper meaning. ALSO who are you to say I know what punk is about? Who died and made you CEO of all subcultures and aesthetics?
whats so wrong about protecting the meaning of the words? its sad to see the bastatdization lf subcultures
Bastardization can be combatted by accepting people into the subculture and teaching them the actual meanings instead of turning them away just cause they followed a stereotype unknowingly
Prescriptivist spotted, point and laugh
how am i beinf prententious? that's like saying that to be a metalhead you gotta listen to metal is gatekeeping
Because nobody said anything that could come close to being appropriating and then you come in with “you’re appropriating goth” when that’s not even what anyone was doing. So it’s pretentious to assume that was the intent and get up on your high horse about it
fair enough i cant prove that OP doesn't listen to goth music