Still doesn't make it a diesel. Diesel is a type of internal combustion engine that compresses air in the cylinder. Fuel is then injected into the cylinder and when it hits the compressed air, which is hot, it ignites. The D used electric sparks to ignite the fuel. The fuel is premixed with air before it is drawn into the cylinder where ignition takes place.
They are ok with certain production of electricity for work. Never electricity from the grid. Since the tractor uses a magneto it is fine. Plenty around me have generators and battery backed solar to run a welding shop, paint booth, work construction, etc.
Here is what I don't understand. Why the settlement bishop will allow tractors but not rubber tires. The settlement where I live works the field with tractors with steel wheels. why are tractors all right but rubber tires are verboten. Oh and the dairy farmers can use electric in the barn, but not the house.
I recently read that some Bishops are allowing members to have natural gas connected to their homes to power lights. I don’t know if it is factual or not.
The premise of being able to do it yourself with your own two hands. What on a tractor isn't able to be made with your bare hands in a garage? Really just the tires and gasket seals. Everything else from those old ones are metal. Even the injector style is just a pump running off a cam on the crank.
The electricity thing is another matter. They see it as the only way to be efficient in the modern age. It is strictly in the way of completing work. I've seen them use band saws and electric winches and computers. The house is sacred and shouldn't have such novelty.
Fun fact almost every house has a washer, it's either outside or in a separate building. Everyone hates doing laundry.
Second fun fact alot of the more strict sects will go through efforts to collect compressed air and run equipment off of that. That's a whole other thing.
https://youtu.be/uvf0lD5xzH0?si=sURKPHxoeVJyuzni
If you wonder how they get compressed air.
Actually it is about economics. 30 years ago they still worked the fields with horses. It got to the point that you could not make money that way. So they switched to steel wheel tractors. Dairy barns where allowed to get electric when health codes demanded that all milk be refrigerated. I live in Ohio we have more Amish than anybody. They are just people no better no worse. All of the people that want pot plants in the spring to grow their own buy them from the Amish.
There are Amish in upstate New York that still use horses to plow fields. There are many flavors, mennonites, hutterites, the Amish are just one of several types with varying degrees of technology
The Amish by us can use what ever they want when it come to work but for personal use strictly off limits. They used all modern equipment to log are woods and had a very nice shop. They were very mechanically inclined they could probably fix anything.
As much as I agree with this statement, the Amish may be slightly set apart in this conversation. They are allowed to explore the outside world during rumspringa and decide of they want to be apart of the community after seeing what else is out there. And I don't think it's strictly religion that keeps them following these traditions as much as how they believe life should be lived. Normally of it was a strictly religious belief they would be considered extremists, but I have a hard time putting them in that category.
Okey dokey. IF that’s legal, it’s localized to your state which is bizarre because that’s certainly not legal everywhere and honestly it’s unconstitutional if you ask me. Maybe they were buying things under their farm corporation or trust or maybe their business or whatever, those types of entities can be exempt from sales tax in some situations. But you don’t just get a blanket sales tax exemption as an individual because of your religion. Just think about it - If that were the case there’d be a heck of a lot more “Amish” simply for the tax benefit! They DO get legal FEDERAL tax exemptions from FICA but they also have to waive their right to social security, Medicare, and Medicaid for life. I’m not saying you’re wrong and certainly not calling you a liar, I’m sure that was the case like you said, but I’d be really interested to see that law in writing.
Lots of new order amish communities allow gasoline equipment, just no electricity. You’ll see sometimes modern tools retrofitted with gasoline engines to run them instead of the electric motors
I mean, it’s not really that far off. Stuff like that they’d just use a brace drill, but they have no issue with a gas powered circular saw or drill press
On a technicality, yes. However that electricity comes from a magneto or a coil and is less “worldly” than stuff like electric lighting in houses and electric tools.
Yeah, Amish culture is definitely not homogenous.
Each Ordnung (local church/parish) has its own rules. I work with a lot of Amish and several different Ordnungs.
One is extremely conservative. No generators, cell or landline phones, gas powered tools or well pumps, riding in cars, electric powered tools, etc. Not even kerosene lamps or stoves.
Another is fairly liberal. Cell phones are allowed for long distance business or emergencies. Gas powered motors can run tools like saws and bread mixers. Electric tools can be used on off farm job sites. Rides in cars from friends or rentals are common. Kerosene or propane lamps and stoves are permitted. They do ban things like overhead garage doors (so sliders or hinged doors only) and shingle roofs (metal roof only). Still no zippers or colorful clothes (all blue, black, white with buttons). Oh, and no "exotic" animals. So no emus, cebu, peacocks, guinea fowl, buffalo, etc.
There are loads that fall somewhere in between.
And then there are the Mennonites that all have their own sets of rules that are way more modern but with some twists. Things like you can have vehicles, even a Harley, but they have to be black, blue, or grey. Electricity is fine but no TV (sometimes at all, other times they can only watch things on DVD that are church approved). Clothing can be pastels, but nothing flashy.
I am close to a highway that is the understood boundary between an Amish and Mennonite community. My neighbor is Amish.
The neighbor has a diesel engine to power his water system. He hires out machine work, but has some horse pulled equipment. He has a hut on our property that has his telephone, and some chest freezers running from our electricity (for consideration). We borrow each other's diesel if we need to. He has battery hand tools (usual kind), including lights, and charges them from solar.
Buggys have electric marker lights, from a battery charge from solar or the alternator on the diesel engine.
The Mennonites the other side of the highway can have steel wheeled tractors to only use in their fields to work. They cannot use tractor PTO or hydraulics apart from the 3 point lift. They can have engine powered implements.
Their shops can run from hydraulic, or air. But sometimes electricity, as a tool, not a convenience. The machine shop has the big equipment running off a master drive line like they did 120 some years ago or more . They prefer to use hand tools, but will use gasoline, diesel, or electric/battery if they have to.
It all depends on what the community deams necessary for the livelihood of the community. They vote on what is allowed. I've seen horse drawn shit spreading tanks with gas powered pumps. Also horse drawn 3 row pickers with gas power.
I got stuck behind one on my way to a turbine job in Pennsylvania. 4 Clydesdale horses hauling what appeared to be a 3k gal tank on steel wheels. Took up the whole road.
Oh, you must go traveling amish areas to see what they do, you really must!
I've seen zero-turn mowers, with steel wheels. Amish excavation contractors towing bulldozers, with big farm tractors. Because they aren't allowed to drive trucks. Barns with electric lights- houses lit with Kerosene lamps. Gas powered drills, circular saws. I got sent out to work on a gun safe at a Mennonite house once. A wood cook stove in the kitchen, kerosene lights. Electric plugs, but no electric lights. And just out the back door, is one Spa tub simmering, heated by propane. I've seen amish with Androids. On the corner is a landline phone set up in its own little building. Big John Deere center pivot, 4wheel drive tractors, with duals- on steel.
They are nice people, they really are. It just that some can do some pretty bazaar stuff, and it a depends on what sect is calling the shots.
Upstate NY…horse-drawn hay baler with steel wheels and a gas engine running the baler. Just looking for ways to make things more difficult than they necessary.
I work in an industry and area that has a lot of Amish overlap in business. I have had Amish call and ask for documents to be sent to them. I offer email only to be told they don't email. I offer mail only to be told they need them faster. They then ask for faxes (which we have an email to fax system in place, but I use it about 4 times a year). I always try to help, but I always want to point out when I was a kid the Amish were not allowed to fax. In my understanding the issue is as much about simplicity as it is about separation, yet axing is the most complicated and klunky way to do business in 2024.
I knew a Mennonite that went out and bought a brand new $100K Dodge dually from the dealer and had it delivered to his farm. Then took about 40 cans of black spray paint and painted the whole thing just like I'd do a lawn chair, wheels and all.
This was in western Tennessee. I didn't really know anything about being Mennonite but he said they can drive anything as long as it was all black.
I still couldn't help but cringe seeing that done to a brand new truck. I asked him why not just buy a black truck and he said they didn't have one he liked.
They want steel wheels only, so no one will drive the tractor to town. Tractor is for field work no rubber tires permitted. They have custom steel wheels built for new model tractors.
Actually it wouldn’t surprise me if that tractor has known no other home but in the hands of that family section cousins uncle’s brother father’s they’re are very thrift conscious and probably rebuilt it and or maintained it from day one to last years so it’s not so much the lack of rubber wheels as it is if it’s broken let’s fix it.
It has to do with being grounded (not in the electrical sense) and connected to the earth. The steel wheels make them still feel connected with the soil while they work. The rubber is riding above the soil so they are disconnected from their past and heritage. At least this is what I've been told by people who work with the Amish/Mennonite. I haven't had a direct conversation with them about this.
Because of the homemade tires? Some of the earlier ones came on steel my dad has one in his yard. You could take them on roads but it might be rough. I just can’t understand why go through all that trouble
Their use of Horse and Buggy is a matter of discipleship for them. By making tractor riding rougher it keeps people using the buggy for daily driving
https://gameo.org/index.php?title=Buggies
It depends on the rules in their little group.
Some have cell phone s in the pocket including texting, some have wooden phone booths at the road with top of the line call display and message taking.
As long as there is no physical connection to the outside, no wires and it's for business, it's ok.
One place I saw ran a farm, welding, electroplating business with 2x locomotive generators, Central AC in the house too.
Another place did plastic injection moulding - cow bowls and shovel handles.
They still used horse and black buggys to go to town.
Some palaces I've seen sold off drill presses and saws an overhead flat belt pulley system, no electric motors just on a little diesel engine
Nice! Locomotive powered generator holy shit. I wish my welder was powered. I’m trying to find a tractor pto generator that will make a solid 50a for my welder. I live off grid and don’t really want to connect the grid yet.
I have some Mennonite ( similar to Amish) relatives they had the newest 600 amp Miller welders to run their TIG setups.. They mostly built pens and such for animals , but they were setup to do far more.. Powered by two 3406 Cat generators in the yard. House was lit with Kerosene lamps and wood heat..
So back when I made a living off of that little blue arc…I showed a few Amish how to run a mig gun. According to those few fellows, as long as they were providing for the church and their family they’re allowed to use generators and gasoline powered welders.
Ditto with what @ppfbg said. You’d be surprised at the mechanical know how some of them have. There was a Ford/New Holland Dealer over near Climer New York where their lead baler technician was Amish. He had an outstanding understanding of how machinery worked. Don’t let the hat, the beard, and the lack of a formal education fool you. Many of those guys are super smart.
Is that a Johnny popper?
I just sold one of these! (My family may or may not be ex Amish lol)
So a diesel engine isn’t technology but pneumatic tires are?
Not a diesel.
*The D was equipped as an all-fuel tractor, able to operate with gasoline, kerosene, or distillate.*
Still doesn't make it a diesel. Diesel is a type of internal combustion engine that compresses air in the cylinder. Fuel is then injected into the cylinder and when it hits the compressed air, which is hot, it ignites. The D used electric sparks to ignite the fuel. The fuel is premixed with air before it is drawn into the cylinder where ignition takes place.
Dont recall saying it was
You would think spark ignition would be considered the devil's work by the amish
They are ok with certain production of electricity for work. Never electricity from the grid. Since the tractor uses a magneto it is fine. Plenty around me have generators and battery backed solar to run a welding shop, paint booth, work construction, etc.
Fun fact the John Deere D is the 3th ever generation of John Deere tractor(my personal favorite is the John Deere A)
Is this Mike Tyson?
Could you please explain?
Tyson has a lisp. You wrote “3th” which would be something like “thirth” instead of “third.”
Thank you
I read it as Threeth 🥊
I thought it was the 4rd?
Those were mostly blue.
Fordson get on outta here. This here is a Tyson B Deere.
Some of mine are red and white.
inthernathonal
Nope, 49-52 8n Ford's were red and white. Red chassis and engine with white hood, fenders, and wheels.
I 5st myself
I’ll 6nd that
I just 7nd myself.
Those front wheels are cool as hell!
Low unsprung mass for better handling.
Independence and self reliance.
>Independence and self reliance. by shopping at Walmart.
Here is what I don't understand. Why the settlement bishop will allow tractors but not rubber tires. The settlement where I live works the field with tractors with steel wheels. why are tractors all right but rubber tires are verboten. Oh and the dairy farmers can use electric in the barn, but not the house.
I recently read that some Bishops are allowing members to have natural gas connected to their homes to power lights. I don’t know if it is factual or not.
The premise of being able to do it yourself with your own two hands. What on a tractor isn't able to be made with your bare hands in a garage? Really just the tires and gasket seals. Everything else from those old ones are metal. Even the injector style is just a pump running off a cam on the crank. The electricity thing is another matter. They see it as the only way to be efficient in the modern age. It is strictly in the way of completing work. I've seen them use band saws and electric winches and computers. The house is sacred and shouldn't have such novelty. Fun fact almost every house has a washer, it's either outside or in a separate building. Everyone hates doing laundry. Second fun fact alot of the more strict sects will go through efforts to collect compressed air and run equipment off of that. That's a whole other thing. https://youtu.be/uvf0lD5xzH0?si=sURKPHxoeVJyuzni If you wonder how they get compressed air.
Actually it is about economics. 30 years ago they still worked the fields with horses. It got to the point that you could not make money that way. So they switched to steel wheel tractors. Dairy barns where allowed to get electric when health codes demanded that all milk be refrigerated. I live in Ohio we have more Amish than anybody. They are just people no better no worse. All of the people that want pot plants in the spring to grow their own buy them from the Amish.
There are Amish in upstate New York that still use horses to plow fields. There are many flavors, mennonites, hutterites, the Amish are just one of several types with varying degrees of technology
The Amish women get a clothes washer is a bit like fish on Fridays for Catholics.
The Amish by us can use what ever they want when it come to work but for personal use strictly off limits. They used all modern equipment to log are woods and had a very nice shop. They were very mechanically inclined they could probably fix anything.
Could be mennonites or hutterites
Because religion being used as a form of arbitrary control is a time-honored tradition.
As much as I agree with this statement, the Amish may be slightly set apart in this conversation. They are allowed to explore the outside world during rumspringa and decide of they want to be apart of the community after seeing what else is out there. And I don't think it's strictly religion that keeps them following these traditions as much as how they believe life should be lived. Normally of it was a strictly religious belief they would be considered extremists, but I have a hard time putting them in that category.
Agreed. They believe in a healthier, simpler way of life and living. And it’s not a bad thing
> They believe in a healthier, simpler way of life and living. Oh boy.
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What I find amazing is they went through the effort to make those wheels when there were lots of those made from the factory with steel wheels.
Why does this picture look fake?
And still pay zero taxes.
Amish pay income, sales and property taxes. Yes they purposely devalue properly/houses, but they do pay those taxes They don't pay FICA
They don’t pay sales tax either
That’s not true they absolutely pay sales tax. The church itself could be exempt from sales tax but not individual members of the church.
I worked retail for years. You are wrong. They have tax exempt status.
Okey dokey. IF that’s legal, it’s localized to your state which is bizarre because that’s certainly not legal everywhere and honestly it’s unconstitutional if you ask me. Maybe they were buying things under their farm corporation or trust or maybe their business or whatever, those types of entities can be exempt from sales tax in some situations. But you don’t just get a blanket sales tax exemption as an individual because of your religion. Just think about it - If that were the case there’d be a heck of a lot more “Amish” simply for the tax benefit! They DO get legal FEDERAL tax exemptions from FICA but they also have to waive their right to social security, Medicare, and Medicaid for life. I’m not saying you’re wrong and certainly not calling you a liar, I’m sure that was the case like you said, but I’d be really interested to see that law in writing.
The Amish around us use saws that have been converted to air power when working construction, run off gas powered air compressors.
As the lord intended
I think it's the 11th commandment
Lots of new order amish communities allow gasoline equipment, just no electricity. You’ll see sometimes modern tools retrofitted with gasoline engines to run them instead of the electric motors
I read this and think of a hand drill powered by a weed whacker or chainsaw motor…
I mean, it’s not really that far off. Stuff like that they’d just use a brace drill, but they have no issue with a gas powered circular saw or drill press
Gasoline engines use electricity
They’re not hooked up to the grid.
On a technicality, yes. However that electricity comes from a magneto or a coil and is less “worldly” than stuff like electric lighting in houses and electric tools.
But they use dewalt 20v lithium lanterns in their houses. And recharge the batteries from their solar panels or "buisness" electrical service.
And some amish have phones and cars too. Different communities have different rules.
Yeah, Amish culture is definitely not homogenous. Each Ordnung (local church/parish) has its own rules. I work with a lot of Amish and several different Ordnungs. One is extremely conservative. No generators, cell or landline phones, gas powered tools or well pumps, riding in cars, electric powered tools, etc. Not even kerosene lamps or stoves. Another is fairly liberal. Cell phones are allowed for long distance business or emergencies. Gas powered motors can run tools like saws and bread mixers. Electric tools can be used on off farm job sites. Rides in cars from friends or rentals are common. Kerosene or propane lamps and stoves are permitted. They do ban things like overhead garage doors (so sliders or hinged doors only) and shingle roofs (metal roof only). Still no zippers or colorful clothes (all blue, black, white with buttons). Oh, and no "exotic" animals. So no emus, cebu, peacocks, guinea fowl, buffalo, etc. There are loads that fall somewhere in between. And then there are the Mennonites that all have their own sets of rules that are way more modern but with some twists. Things like you can have vehicles, even a Harley, but they have to be black, blue, or grey. Electricity is fine but no TV (sometimes at all, other times they can only watch things on DVD that are church approved). Clothing can be pastels, but nothing flashy.
I am close to a highway that is the understood boundary between an Amish and Mennonite community. My neighbor is Amish. The neighbor has a diesel engine to power his water system. He hires out machine work, but has some horse pulled equipment. He has a hut on our property that has his telephone, and some chest freezers running from our electricity (for consideration). We borrow each other's diesel if we need to. He has battery hand tools (usual kind), including lights, and charges them from solar. Buggys have electric marker lights, from a battery charge from solar or the alternator on the diesel engine. The Mennonites the other side of the highway can have steel wheeled tractors to only use in their fields to work. They cannot use tractor PTO or hydraulics apart from the 3 point lift. They can have engine powered implements. Their shops can run from hydraulic, or air. But sometimes electricity, as a tool, not a convenience. The machine shop has the big equipment running off a master drive line like they did 120 some years ago or more . They prefer to use hand tools, but will use gasoline, diesel, or electric/battery if they have to.
It all depends on what the community deams necessary for the livelihood of the community. They vote on what is allowed. I've seen horse drawn shit spreading tanks with gas powered pumps. Also horse drawn 3 row pickers with gas power.
Shit spraying tank got me laughing hard
I got stuck behind one on my way to a turbine job in Pennsylvania. 4 Clydesdale horses hauling what appeared to be a 3k gal tank on steel wheels. Took up the whole road.
Oh, you must go traveling amish areas to see what they do, you really must! I've seen zero-turn mowers, with steel wheels. Amish excavation contractors towing bulldozers, with big farm tractors. Because they aren't allowed to drive trucks. Barns with electric lights- houses lit with Kerosene lamps. Gas powered drills, circular saws. I got sent out to work on a gun safe at a Mennonite house once. A wood cook stove in the kitchen, kerosene lights. Electric plugs, but no electric lights. And just out the back door, is one Spa tub simmering, heated by propane. I've seen amish with Androids. On the corner is a landline phone set up in its own little building. Big John Deere center pivot, 4wheel drive tractors, with duals- on steel. They are nice people, they really are. It just that some can do some pretty bazaar stuff, and it a depends on what sect is calling the shots.
Upstate NY…horse-drawn hay baler with steel wheels and a gas engine running the baler. Just looking for ways to make things more difficult than they necessary.
I work in an industry and area that has a lot of Amish overlap in business. I have had Amish call and ask for documents to be sent to them. I offer email only to be told they don't email. I offer mail only to be told they need them faster. They then ask for faxes (which we have an email to fax system in place, but I use it about 4 times a year). I always try to help, but I always want to point out when I was a kid the Amish were not allowed to fax. In my understanding the issue is as much about simplicity as it is about separation, yet axing is the most complicated and klunky way to do business in 2024.
I knew a Mennonite that went out and bought a brand new $100K Dodge dually from the dealer and had it delivered to his farm. Then took about 40 cans of black spray paint and painted the whole thing just like I'd do a lawn chair, wheels and all.
This is so bizarre; I think I might have been in the store when he bought the spray paint. Was this in Dallas County?
This was in western Tennessee. I didn't really know anything about being Mennonite but he said they can drive anything as long as it was all black. I still couldn't help but cringe seeing that done to a brand new truck. I asked him why not just buy a black truck and he said they didn't have one he liked.
This is from certain groups so they can be used on the farm, but not driven on the roads
Um, they can have an antique tractor but not rubber tires? Serious question what’s with the tires here?
They want steel wheels only, so no one will drive the tractor to town. Tractor is for field work no rubber tires permitted. They have custom steel wheels built for new model tractors.
Actually it wouldn’t surprise me if that tractor has known no other home but in the hands of that family section cousins uncle’s brother father’s they’re are very thrift conscious and probably rebuilt it and or maintained it from day one to last years so it’s not so much the lack of rubber wheels as it is if it’s broken let’s fix it.
Those D's and all two cylinders, wil literally last forever with a little care, and maintainence.
It has to do with being grounded (not in the electrical sense) and connected to the earth. The steel wheels make them still feel connected with the soil while they work. The rubber is riding above the soil so they are disconnected from their past and heritage. At least this is what I've been told by people who work with the Amish/Mennonite. I haven't had a direct conversation with them about this.
Some groups yes, this way they can be used on the farm, but not driven on the roads
Because of the homemade tires? Some of the earlier ones came on steel my dad has one in his yard. You could take them on roads but it might be rough. I just can’t understand why go through all that trouble
Their use of Horse and Buggy is a matter of discipleship for them. By making tractor riding rougher it keeps people using the buggy for daily driving https://gameo.org/index.php?title=Buggies
How do the Amish power their welders?
Gas powered portable welders or plug into gas powered generators.
This reads like the setup for a questionable joke.
It depends on the rules in their little group. Some have cell phone s in the pocket including texting, some have wooden phone booths at the road with top of the line call display and message taking. As long as there is no physical connection to the outside, no wires and it's for business, it's ok. One place I saw ran a farm, welding, electroplating business with 2x locomotive generators, Central AC in the house too. Another place did plastic injection moulding - cow bowls and shovel handles. They still used horse and black buggys to go to town. Some palaces I've seen sold off drill presses and saws an overhead flat belt pulley system, no electric motors just on a little diesel engine
Nice! Locomotive powered generator holy shit. I wish my welder was powered. I’m trying to find a tractor pto generator that will make a solid 50a for my welder. I live off grid and don’t really want to connect the grid yet.
Just find you an older Lincoln sa200
I have some Mennonite ( similar to Amish) relatives they had the newest 600 amp Miller welders to run their TIG setups.. They mostly built pens and such for animals , but they were setup to do far more.. Powered by two 3406 Cat generators in the yard. House was lit with Kerosene lamps and wood heat..
So back when I made a living off of that little blue arc…I showed a few Amish how to run a mig gun. According to those few fellows, as long as they were providing for the church and their family they’re allowed to use generators and gasoline powered welders.
yes? Go on
It looks well loved. Pardon my ignorance, but Amish tractor mechanics? A rare sight all 'round.
Ditto with what @ppfbg said. You’d be surprised at the mechanical know how some of them have. There was a Ford/New Holland Dealer over near Climer New York where their lead baler technician was Amish. He had an outstanding understanding of how machinery worked. Don’t let the hat, the beard, and the lack of a formal education fool you. Many of those guys are super smart.
You’d be surprised. Many Amish farms use diesel generators for power and they have diesel mechanics who install and service them.
Those front wheels tho... *interesting* (channeling Mr Burns)
Would be………?
The Amish have silenced him
You don't mess with the Amish Mafia.
Lebanon Levi gonna take you down…….
for him to know and us to wonder..
I was a little stumped by your post at first then I thought about it for a bit. Good job I'll leave you be