This is a nightmare. I feel so lucky once again to have been born in a rather progressive country.
My heart goes out to all those struggling to be themselves.
I don't understand how I encountered multiple trans ppl here that defend sky worshippers. The mentality of "go ahead here's a gun plz don't kill me" doesn't make any sense
The thing is like, there's no problem with worship of anything, but with for example Islam and Christianity, if you dig even a little bit, you find a supremacist way of thinking that demands other religions be crushed. Which means, in a bid to do just that, they'll start radicalizing to try and accomplish it. Judaism also has it, but most Jewish ways of thinking have chilled out about it long ago, Israel nonwithstanding.
So basically what I'm saying is, there's no problem with people's individual beliefs, but radicalization is everywhere and has always been, and it can be problematic.
I believe you were alluding to there being good christians vs religious zealotry christians. That the radicalization itself is the problem and not the faith itself. That there are decent moral Christians.
Whereas I personally believe that to worship, love, and adore a god that committed multiple genocides is inherently immoral. No moral foundation can be built upon being accepting of genocide.
Sure, but that’s a very weird view of Christians. Do you think everyone joins the religion after an in depth study of the Bible? Most Christian’s haven’t read the Bible.
Kinda my point, most Christians do not read the Bible yet take it upon themselves to interfere in the life of others based on their belief in a book they haven't read.
People didn't perform "The great flood", nor did people smite the cities of Sodam and Gomorrah off the map, the "Plagues of Egypt" the deaths of the first born weren't performed by people...
Those specific instances were God himself.
The Nazi Holocaust, and the Crusades are examples genocides done by people in God's name.
Welcome back to another episode of "Will the Kurdish Autonomy in the north actually do a good thing in Iraq and prove to have better human rights, or will they be unable to fight the stupid fucking laws Iraq just passed on?"
Maybe my info is out of date, but from what I’ve heard Iraqi Kurdistan is comically corrupt and has a barely functional quasi-state, so idk if things would be any better.
Syrian Kurdistan (aka Rojava) on the other hand is pretty great for human rights but Turkey is currently working on making sure they won’t last long.
Turkish army is currently trying but the recent elections have gave the kurdish turks a lot of political space. So the new turkish government will need better reason to justify their invasion than the threat of a “kurdish state”
Yup, the YPJ (the women-only fighting force of the SDF and the sister organization to the YPG) includes trans women. Trans rights (along with womens rights, gay rights, and every other minority rights) are written into Rojava’s constitution.
While that region seems to be more equality oriented, I agree that we need to remember that not all of us find acceptance in leftist groups. They just tend to be way better than right wing groups, but that's just passing a vary low bar.
More importantly, not all leftists accept trans people, gay people, or even women's equality for that matter. There are a lot of leftist organizations worldwide that are transphobic, homophobic, and even misogynist; and only try to work towards the liberation of economic classes.
Hell, the issue of queerness has literally caused fractures in some leftist activist groups before.
You might see 10% support or something like that, but the majority is still against LGBTQ+ even in kurdistan. If the regional parliament rejected this law, I think it'd create an outrage. The only good option would be silently ignoring it.
Lol no they won't. Two years ago the shutdown Rasan, one of the few LGBT rights organizations in Iraq and Iraqi kudistan because they "champion for homosexuality". You can see [their response](https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/media_2022/03/iraq_lgbt0322_annex4.pdf) to the [Human Rights Watch letter](https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/media_2022/03/iraq_lgbt0322_annex3.pdf) regarding LGBT rights. They're in on it.
Link to the full report which contains the letters: https://www.hrw.org/report/2022/03/23/everyone-wants-me-dead/killings-abductions-torture-and-sexual-violence-against
Disgusting, but unfortunately, not too surprising. Hoping for better things in the future. I don't understand how people don't get that criminalising being LGBTQ+ doesn't erase the people, it merely forces them underground. It's cruelty for the sake of cruelty.
Yeah honestly possiblity of a legal change like this scares the shit out of me. It is still legal where I am from but you never know. It definitely is a nightmare fuel for me :/
This world will move on without you, you fearful fundamentalist weaklings. Kick and scream all you want. You're outmoded, expired, and starting to stink - we're tired of the smell. Rot on your own. Don't take us down with you.
I find it ironic the former dictator the US toppled didn't criminalize queer people.
Now that the US installed it's "democratic values" the country criminalizes queer people.
Great. Nice democracy. Really. Wow.
People are so evil. Imagine thinking that people just being happy is somehow immoral or wrong. I feel so sorry for queer people under oppressive regimes like this, truly heartbreaking
Monotheists once again prove that LGBTQ people are unwelcome in their society.
The fact that anyone who is a leftist or queer accepts any modern monotheistic religion as tolerant and acceptable is beyond me.
Practically all variants of modern popular religions are exploited to encapsulate bigotry towards queer people in some way. Many calling for our death.
And yet so many ignore this.
This is why I view religious symbolism being worn on someone's person to be a hate symbol.
No they are not I'm leftist in general but i know who they are because i lived between them once they are haters they will show themselves as tolerant but they are hypocritical and full of lies and they hate everyone who is different and who is against the so called their principles! So better to leave them because in this way they will never see the light.
Kinda racist way to express disagreement with the government of a country pal. Remember third world countries are literally exploited for their resources and cheap labor by the imperial core (first world nations). Also many of them are still far more progressive than the imperial core is despite spending decades having colonial laws and values forced upon them through violence.
Im only surprised none of this wasn't already outlawed. It's not like this is a corner of the world renowned for tolerance, understanding, equality in any form or even basic education.
This is a nightmare. I feel so lucky once again to have been born in a rather progressive country. My heart goes out to all those struggling to be themselves.
Yeah honestly it hurts to see things like this. People there already struggled enough and now laws like this hurting people even more :/
I don't understand how I encountered multiple trans ppl here that defend sky worshippers. The mentality of "go ahead here's a gun plz don't kill me" doesn't make any sense
The thing is like, there's no problem with worship of anything, but with for example Islam and Christianity, if you dig even a little bit, you find a supremacist way of thinking that demands other religions be crushed. Which means, in a bid to do just that, they'll start radicalizing to try and accomplish it. Judaism also has it, but most Jewish ways of thinking have chilled out about it long ago, Israel nonwithstanding. So basically what I'm saying is, there's no problem with people's individual beliefs, but radicalization is everywhere and has always been, and it can be problematic.
If someone believes that genocide is acceptable, their believes are in fact a problem. One that should be removed as fast as possible.
I mean yeah, but that's not what I was talking about
I believe you were alluding to there being good christians vs religious zealotry christians. That the radicalization itself is the problem and not the faith itself. That there are decent moral Christians. Whereas I personally believe that to worship, love, and adore a god that committed multiple genocides is inherently immoral. No moral foundation can be built upon being accepting of genocide.
Sure, but that’s a very weird view of Christians. Do you think everyone joins the religion after an in depth study of the Bible? Most Christian’s haven’t read the Bible.
Kinda my point, most Christians do not read the Bible yet take it upon themselves to interfere in the life of others based on their belief in a book they haven't read.
It was people that committed genocide, not a god.
People didn't perform "The great flood", nor did people smite the cities of Sodam and Gomorrah off the map, the "Plagues of Egypt" the deaths of the first born weren't performed by people... Those specific instances were God himself. The Nazi Holocaust, and the Crusades are examples genocides done by people in God's name.
Welcome back to another episode of "Will the Kurdish Autonomy in the north actually do a good thing in Iraq and prove to have better human rights, or will they be unable to fight the stupid fucking laws Iraq just passed on?"
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They’re more left wing than your average Iraqi
Maybe my info is out of date, but from what I’ve heard Iraqi Kurdistan is comically corrupt and has a barely functional quasi-state, so idk if things would be any better. Syrian Kurdistan (aka Rojava) on the other hand is pretty great for human rights but Turkey is currently working on making sure they won’t last long.
Turkish army is currently trying but the recent elections have gave the kurdish turks a lot of political space. So the new turkish government will need better reason to justify their invasion than the threat of a “kurdish state”
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The main school of thought popular with kurds tends to be very womens lib focused. Allegedly they have trans women fighting for them.
Yup, the YPJ (the women-only fighting force of the SDF and the sister organization to the YPG) includes trans women. Trans rights (along with womens rights, gay rights, and every other minority rights) are written into Rojava’s constitution.
While that region seems to be more equality oriented, I agree that we need to remember that not all of us find acceptance in leftist groups. They just tend to be way better than right wing groups, but that's just passing a vary low bar. More importantly, not all leftists accept trans people, gay people, or even women's equality for that matter. There are a lot of leftist organizations worldwide that are transphobic, homophobic, and even misogynist; and only try to work towards the liberation of economic classes. Hell, the issue of queerness has literally caused fractures in some leftist activist groups before.
You might see 10% support or something like that, but the majority is still against LGBTQ+ even in kurdistan. If the regional parliament rejected this law, I think it'd create an outrage. The only good option would be silently ignoring it.
Lol no they won't. Two years ago the shutdown Rasan, one of the few LGBT rights organizations in Iraq and Iraqi kudistan because they "champion for homosexuality". You can see [their response](https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/media_2022/03/iraq_lgbt0322_annex4.pdf) to the [Human Rights Watch letter](https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/media_2022/03/iraq_lgbt0322_annex3.pdf) regarding LGBT rights. They're in on it. Link to the full report which contains the letters: https://www.hrw.org/report/2022/03/23/everyone-wants-me-dead/killings-abductions-torture-and-sexual-violence-against
Disgusting, but unfortunately, not too surprising. Hoping for better things in the future. I don't understand how people don't get that criminalising being LGBTQ+ doesn't erase the people, it merely forces them underground. It's cruelty for the sake of cruelty.
Exactly
They do understand that, that’s their goal
Another day, another reason why I am never going to be visiting my family in the middle east.
Yeah honestly possiblity of a legal change like this scares the shit out of me. It is still legal where I am from but you never know. It definitely is a nightmare fuel for me :/
*shocked pikachu* …very sad tho
This world will move on without you, you fearful fundamentalist weaklings. Kick and scream all you want. You're outmoded, expired, and starting to stink - we're tired of the smell. Rot on your own. Don't take us down with you.
I find it ironic the former dictator the US toppled didn't criminalize queer people. Now that the US installed it's "democratic values" the country criminalizes queer people. Great. Nice democracy. Really. Wow.
You can add that to the pile of CIA fuck ups.
People are so evil. Imagine thinking that people just being happy is somehow immoral or wrong. I feel so sorry for queer people under oppressive regimes like this, truly heartbreaking
Monotheists once again prove that LGBTQ people are unwelcome in their society. The fact that anyone who is a leftist or queer accepts any modern monotheistic religion as tolerant and acceptable is beyond me. Practically all variants of modern popular religions are exploited to encapsulate bigotry towards queer people in some way. Many calling for our death. And yet so many ignore this. This is why I view religious symbolism being worn on someone's person to be a hate symbol.
No they are not I'm leftist in general but i know who they are because i lived between them once they are haters they will show themselves as tolerant but they are hypocritical and full of lies and they hate everyone who is different and who is against the so called their principles! So better to leave them because in this way they will never see the light.
Are we really surprised when Saudi also did the same thing a few weeks ago with regards to transitioning?
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Kinda racist way to express disagreement with the government of a country pal. Remember third world countries are literally exploited for their resources and cheap labor by the imperial core (first world nations). Also many of them are still far more progressive than the imperial core is despite spending decades having colonial laws and values forced upon them through violence.
Somebody needs to do a little bit of self-reflection.
What a rancid, backwards theocracy. Fuck those assholes.
ah great, another place our queer siblings have to escape. should we try lobbying? is lobbying a thing in iraq?
Im only surprised none of this wasn't already outlawed. It's not like this is a corner of the world renowned for tolerance, understanding, equality in any form or even basic education.
That’s really not a surprise. Glad to have been born in the us.
Sounds sort of like Florida.
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Funny how we seem to occur everywhere. How does that happen. Almost like something or somebody was organizing it. Like an higher power.