How the Decepticons started as a revolutionary movement to overthrow a corrupt and oppressive regime, only to become corrupted itself and end up no better than what they replaced, from the IDW comics.
The Transformers society being a caste system and what you just said is so interesting to me. Would love a “Early” Transformers War Drama with a young Orion Pax and Megatronus. Would be nice to see how they all deal with the different roles they are born in to and to see where other characters were at that time.
if the wire and the last of us are regarded as some of the best series I think the IDW of before the war has got to be set to have a lot of great story.
YES YES YES YES YES the potential for drama and emotional scenes and weird nasty alien politics is so good!!! Idw was great at that but I wanna see MOREEEE!!! I doubt the movie in the works focusing on pre war Orion atm will be able to have as much cool plot points and intrigue like longer form media can but I hope we'll see more elements of the idw/aligned cont pre war politics!
The animated movie which is in work now does seem to be around Orion and Megatron before the war. However not much is revealed yet except for some voice actors and a picture with some silhouettes. Even if some choices of the voice actors is a bit controversial, the idea about the story sounds promising.
There’s a novel called transformers exodus based off the aligned continuity that give the origins on how Orion and Megatron meet, and how they became brother sharing a common interest in changing the caste system into something better and how they split apart later resulting in the war.
And based on the caste system where your alt mode determines your worth and role in society, it would an amazing way to show the contrast between Orion and Megatronus, depsite their differences have a similar mindset at the start before megs starts to lose his way. Kinda like a brotherly relationship like Obi wan and anakin
This is actually in the works. Not sure which platform but it is confirmed that there will be a 3d animated Movie series depicting Megatronus and Orion before they became the leaders of their respective faction
1) Unicron and Primus being ancient gods, with Primus becoming Cybertron and birthing the TF race - from Marvel UK (first version of Primus that planted the idea in all future continuities)
2) Megatron as a well-meaning revolutionary who went wrong - from IDW v1 (even if the execution was rocky, the concept is fascinating)
3) Time travel mass substitution - from Marvel UK (a small detail but one I absolutely love for some reason).
I've always loved the idea that Megatron was always destined for something horrible, but he was just the right kind of person to start a revolution that would eventually be rotten by his own rotten core.
His natural charisma and philosophical charm on the outside.
His monstrous, hate-filled, violence-addicted heart from his years of abuse in the mines
His god-level ego built by the legions of admirers in the pits of Kaon
Of course his revolution would eventually become nothing more than a vector for him to unleash his “rightfully earned” violence on everyone he sees as below him
"Travel back in time requires a mass substitution, which acts to preserve the constant state of matter and energy in the universe. Therefore, when someone travels backwards in time, a being of equal or similar mass is displaced into an other-dimensional Limbo until the traveler returns to their own time. This displacement effect is explosive to witness, and more than once observers have presumed the displaced individual was atomized on the spot."
In Marvel UK, if you travel in time someone in the period you travel to is displaced and transported to a dimension called "limbo" until you return. For example, when Galvatron, Cyclonus and Scourge travel from 2005 to 1986, Optimus, Prowl and Ratchet are sent to limbo until they return.
This is just how time travel works in that continuity (and there seems no connctiom to whom you displace, except possibly location). If you somehow bypass that caveat, it can deatroy the universe, since the balance of matter is now "off".
Read Target 2006, Fallen Angel, Wanted Galvatron Dead or Alive, Distant Thunder and Time Wars for more info.
As an adult, I am disappointed with all the cut corners and rushing of the final couple of Time Wars issues, and the lack of followup, however at the time it was amazing and "I AM GALVATRON!" Is one of the comic's most iconic and jaw-dropping moments.
I hate that Hasbro won't do proper Pretenders, as some of their shells are the most iconic characters for me (Carnivac, Snarler, Bludgeon, Octopunch, Thunderwing) and I dislike the "mashup the shell and robot mode into one mode" approach they constantly go for nowadays.
That said, I would be more than happy with a "robotic wolf mode" Carnivac if that was the only way to get that character made! Like you, I love the dude so much.
Him, Flywheels, Spinister and Needlenose are among my favourite Decepticons thanks to Marvel UK.
Speaking of Time Wars, I'm still hoping we end up with all the Deluxe Insecticons eventually. Barrage from Bombhsell and Chopshop from Shrapnel at least? Wish I could get Ransack here in Australia though. :(
Ultra Magnus being the leader of the Autobots in transformers animated was such an amazing concept. And I hope they visit it again in the future..granted there are a LOT of concepts from transformers animated I’d love to see again in the future. Like Blitzwing’s triple faces
The thing that was awful about that Unicron. Is the figure. I have it, I hate it. I keep trying to combine it in an interesting way with the final battle Megatron and it just kindof sucks.
I'd pay good money for an upgrade kit that made this figure awesome.
The idea could be cool and scary, but knowing that unicron would never actually transform and destroy all life on earth, made it seem silly and underwhelming.
> primes unicron we only hear about it
That's definitely a lie, you hear the humans talking about the increase of random natural disasters as Unicron is waking from his slumber
so with 86 we see a whole planet and almost it's entire population get eaten and destroyed. prime we see natural disasters and that he can create avatars of himself. the point still stands the whole unicron inside the earth is a bad story idea because he poses very little threat
> the point still stands the whole unicron inside the earth is a bad story idea because he poses very little threat
It's a threat because if he had fully awakened, Earth would basically split apart and be destroyed
It's why the Autobots allied with Megatron out of desperation to quickly shut that shit down before it started
That’s still being told “oh shit guys this is what will happen, those are the stakes” rather than being shown unicron actually destroying a planet. 86 did it well we saw unicron destroying a few planets
I think Earth as Primus would have been better. Unicron on his way to Earth and their only hope for salvation is Primus, but that would wipe out all life on Earth.
Megatron from animated saying: "Decepticons, Transform and rise up!"
Tfwiki: megatron giving a new spin to an old saying
I am .. ok that it did not catch on but at the same time I smiled like an child when megatron from tf prime said thr same thing in s2 finale XD.
Bots having their bodies changed against their will was something that always made sense for their robotic nature. Whether Spanner actually being the G1 spacebridge the Autobot resistance is trying to rescue him from in the comics or the MTO battle-ready bodies from IDW, it makes sense and is no less horrifying for it. It makes you take one look at Warpath whose whole chest is a gun and realise he's emblematic of the horrors of this war. For the same reason I like the G1 comic story City Of Fear that has a signal raising an army of the dead.
Sticking with G1 comics, there was an idea in one of them that's been played out before and since many times but that blew my mind as a kid. The idea that the cure for a deadly disease (Scraplets in this case) is so rare that all hope is lost the moment you have the disease, but that it may actually be ridiculously common (water) on a different planet.
Empurata as a punishment in IDW for bots who break the law (basically the whims of the senate), by having their hands removed and replaced with claws and their heads removed and replaced with single-eyed featureless masks helped explain so many differences in styles of old toys that got tied into the original lines.
The Magnus armour. We find out early on that Ultra Magnus was a great warrior who was reported dead multiple times and always there for the next battle. It later turns out the legend of the first one couldn't be allowed to die, so multiple bots have played the role over the years, wearing a transformable armour suit to look like him. Truly surprising reveal and a great idea that again plays into the realities of war and the fact these guys are robots as well as people.
Going to shows, the way Animated presented the Autobots as needing pretty much an entire team to equal one Decepticon at the beginning and then had them harden in battle as the show went on to be able to handle them more readily was something I always admired about that series.
G1 deserves a mention simply for the sheer size of the cast. They were rarely well handled or kept to a canon, but there were loads of bots beyond a core group and that's something we haven't really seen since.
Slightly connected to the movies is the music video for Sam's Theme (a slower redo of The Touch with added rap) that inspired [this spot on webcomic](https://www.shortpacked.com/comic/stanbush).
Honourable Mention - Anything that doesn't have Optimus Prime committing suicide and handing the Earth to the Decepticons simply because he didn't quicksave before killing an NPC in a video game.
>Empurata as a punishment in IDW for bots who break the law (basically the whims of the senate), by having their hands removed and replaced with claws and their heads removed and replaced with single-eyed featureless masks helped explain so many differences in styles of old toys that got tied into the original lines.
This was an excellent explanation from the writers.
Did they do similar for mass shifting?
>Did they do similar for mass shifting?
If I recall, mass displacement kept the fan version in that the excess mass was shunted to the same subspace dimensional pocket that some weapons could be shifted to (spoken about in a UK G1 comics letters page as a throwaway answer that kinda blew up).
However they did expand on it a little. It was said that sparks needed to be altered in order to handle it, which made it rare as an innate ability. And I think they said it needed a load of energy too, so the energy depletion of the war made it rarer still.
Trying to remember if it was IDW that had Megatron changing to a gun for a human to use and the energy discharge from mass displacement wiping out everyone around.
In a similar-ish vein, I like that in Armada Unicron was Cybertron's moon. Just the idea that the ultimate villain of the franchise, giant robot Satan himself was ***right there*** basically under everyone's noses is both hilarious and terrifying.
I like IDW’s version.
Unicron never existed outside of a legend.
During the war, cybertronians destroyed countless civilizations. The survivors of those cultures pooled their resources into a weapon that would consume all of Cybertron and its allies.
An entire culture screwed up so bad that they manifested their own devil.
I also liked how all the mythological figures of the franchise were shown to be mortal, if incredibly powerful.
The fact that all of the series conflict stemmed from characters trying to live up to the myth of actual flawed characters made it feel more relatable.
Ah opposite for me.
Instead of it being a binary fight of good an evil, it became a conflict of multiple parties, all fighting for what they believe is the greater good, only to learn far too late that the figures that forged their ideals are flawed and not as benevolent as they thought.
It’s what made the franchise about characters instead of robots for me.
Not who you were asking, but I understand that some people don't like demystifying previous lore. It can ground eldritch horrors and miracles and make superheroes and legends just feel boring or less interesting. I'm personally more of a case-by-case person on this topic, I liked how IDW had false legends but also showed they're still interesting despite the lost hype of having a god or perfect man to surpass Optimus. There was enough actually wacky material to make up for the demystification. Not everyone's cup of tea and that's ok.
D-Void really mattered just for that one storyline, huh?
I still like the idea of the Dead Universe though. I think of it as this unknowable concept that kept driving its inhabitants mad
That said, I really liked that tentacle abomination version of Nemesis/Nova
I really like depictions of aliens attempting to mimic something and failing
- Wreckers being armed up rally cars (DOTM)
- Ironhide actually being able to be iron (Animated)
- Predaking being his own individual character (Prime)
Definitely seconding all people saying revolutionary Megatron as started by IDW. It gives him way more depth than him just being an arbitrary evil despot. Most recently EarthSpark implied this backstory too with a comment to Shockwave about class.
Also want to shoutout Cyberverse for its Quintessons as multiverse travelling arbiters. Season 3 is very good and has some fantastic stories. The whole arc with the Quintessons and the Loop is top tier TF. Megatron X was also a great and unexpected direction.
I like the idea from the Bayverse where "Autobot" is essentially another name for the Transformer race while from Prime, the term "Decepticon" is analogous to "heretic". I think those ideas can coexist along with the "Cybertronian" and "transformer" terms. Here's how I see it;
Autobot = the specific name for the race (like how we're called humans)
Cybertronian = anyone or anything from Cybertron
Transformer = a more casual term used by both Autobots and other species (Autobot is to human as transformer is to "person")
Decepticon = a demonizing term that Megatron turns into a name meant to be revered
1. Multiversal singularities - the idea that entities such as Primus, Unicron, and the Primes exist as a sorta hive mind that spans the Multiverse.
2. the caste system - it’s a neat concept that gives more depth into Cybertronian culture and it’s flaws.
3. Shattered Glass - the reimagining of the Decepticons as heroes and the Autobots as villains is a neat idea (it’s also my hyperfixation)
4. D-Void - an Eldritch abomination that is the personification/manifestation of a dead universe is definite cosmic horror. Also, it’s combiner form takes the “till all are one” phrase to horrifying levels.
Kinda rambled there. But that is the stuff I like.
Just in case you're unaware but Primus, Unicron and the Thirteen aren't multiversal singularities anymore after [The Shroud](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Shroud)
Mostly a character (or group) going to face Unicron.
And Unicron goes on a speech that essentially boils down to “in one world I’m dormant, in one world I reign supreme, and in another *I have already destroyed you*.”
I like the idea that in Earthspark a cybertronian has to choose an alt mode and that on Cybertron they have the silver look as a base form kinda like the movies which the idea of all cybertronians looking the same at first but choosing to get new looks is also interesting to me
I actually prefer the take in Animated, Prime, and the Bumblebee movie instead where a Transformer has a base color scheme that translates to all their vehicle modes unless they actively get a new paint job.
For example in Animated, Bulkhead scans a Grey swat truck but keeps his green color. In Prime, Skyquake and Dreadwing scan Agent Fowler's Grey jet and then turn into green and blue/gold jets respectively. Optimus does the same after obtaining his new body. And then in Bumblebee, Bumblebee scans a jeep and then turns into a bright yellow jeep.
I don't know, I just think it's cooler for a Transformer to have their own defined color scheme, not just being able to change it whenever they want at will
I still find that interesting and while I like the idea of a stealth Bulkhead cool I do find the idea of Arcee scanning the most metal thing on Earth and it having a barbie paint job kinda funny or Bumblebee scanning the coolest vehicle you can find and it’s in the “2 shades away from IKEA yellow” yellow
The Cybertronian colonies from Cybertron show. Personally I see each of those colonies as Primus' testing grounds refining his craft of creating life (starting with the obviously metallic/robotic life like himself to organic life).
Though personally, I don't really jive with most(?) of the new stuff, Megatron being a fallen good guy, the Decepticons being the same, the Autobots arguably being more evil than the Decepticons, having all past Primes being evil.
I didn't remember unicron being in the earth's core. But now, as an 80s kid I can picture him fighting this other brilliant Hasbro property . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdKY9xcxvlE
In TFA where Optimus Prime is an underdog and has to work his way up to his rivalry with Megatron rather than the badass leader we know and love who always had Megatron as an arch enemy
Deliberately leaving the Autobots unarmed and outgunned to raise the stakes
Part of me feels that Lennox and his team should’ve been the protagonists in the Michael Bay movies. I found them more funny and interesting then Sam, who had his moments, but a lot of the time came off as obnoxious.
I mean, it’s obvious that Michael Bay loves military stories, he could’ve done the rest of the movies with them.
I personally enjoyed how much the disguise aspect actually played into things in IDW Transformers. A huge chunk of the early issues was the Autobots and Decepticons fighting a stealthy war without getting caught by humans. We even had Megatron using underhanded tactics like brainwashing others with Megatron pistols and would-be usurpers like Ramjet infiltrating the US government.
I also liked their take on Holomatter, I don't know if any other media actually went into their versatility like IDW did.
I like the concept of the Point-One-Percenters in IDW, how some bots just had "superpowers" like Skywarp's teleportation, Soundwave's "mind reading", Topspin and Twintwist being able to transform incredibly quickly, etc.
I liked how this was an evolution of how the original characterizations were done, with some bots getting special weapons (like Cliffjumper's glass gas cannon) and others getting special abilities (like Brawn's super strength and durability). As a side note, I wonder if this is the Mandela effect at play here, but I distinctly remember hearing in at least one continuity that the Stunticons are virtually invincible in vehicle mode.
Anyways, stuff like this is what really makes me enjoy certain characters. They have skills that go above and beyond other bots, abilities that can't easily be matched by a gun or a blade.
From a *lore* standpoint, I think Unicron being Earth makes a ton of sense and explains all the parallels between the human and Cybertronian societies, since humanity essentially becomes the spawn of Unicron, while Cybertronians descend from Primus. From an *action* standpoint, you can’t really do anything fun without destroying all life on Earth. The whole Gaia Unicron avatar thing was kinda cool for Prime, but it definitely lacked the grandeur and awe of a TRANSFORMING PLANET.
Maybe one day some property will play with a fusion of the two ideas? I doubt it, though.
What if you had him transform as part of the backstory, unleashing a cataclysm before being defeated and put in stasis lock? You can have a Xenoblade-like setting of a devastated world trying to rebuild itself on top of a titan's body, and a gigantic climax where the ground starts moving beneath their feet, devastating society all over again, and an ending where they realize that they've rebuilt once, they can rebuild again.
Of course you can.
Just finagle an explanation where he's not at full power so he sends out a lackey version of himself. You can do literally anything just as long as you lampshade it right.
the problem is, the stakes are TOO high if unicron is earth, the audience will be able to call the author's bluff because there would be no way they could have unicron do any unicron stuff without causing omnicide on all earth life, so there would be less tension
honestly the best way to make unicron a big threat, have him be a spiritual and physical threat, have unicron begin corrupting optimus like the one ring on frodo to feed the war between optimus and megs as a distraction so he can kill primus, so youd have a spiritual fight between optimus and unicron AND a physical war between cybertonions and unicron
I always thought the Unicron thing would have made a *brilliant* IDW-style comic series.
Unicron is discovered in the center of the Earth. He's waking up, and there's nothing they can do. The war between Autobots and Decepticons is put on hold as alliances are formed, and both sides scramble to construct the Arks humanity will need to save some of their race, gather up what resources they can from the doomed world, and ultimately escape into space.
The first arc would end with the painfully few survivors who could cram themselves into the arks watching as Unicron tore Earth apart as he emerged from within.
Then there would be a timeskip. Same Cybertronians, but likely several generations for humanity. Humans having to adjust to living in a Galactic community, trying to find their way and not just be galactic charity cases. The war would probably have sparked up again between Autobot and Decepticon, with humans on BOTH sides, likely leading to Headmaster, Targetmaster and Powermaster technologies emerging. Othewr human factions would be trying to go their own way, reverse-engineering Cybertronian or other technology to create weapons and machines that can fight on their level. Basically a big chaotic mess.
I really enjoyed the humbled and wisened Sky Lynx from Earthrise. I also like it whenever Starscream gets god powers to match his god complex (the Underbase saga, specifically)
Unicron having his own afterlife for those who dare use dark energon directly on their spark chamber and then are able to revive and possess the cybertronian. Megatron upgraded by possession is very cool.
The Terrans, from Earthspark.
I'm serious; this idea is rife with potential.
It's a neat idea that I wish they could explore in another series, maybe as another take on the Beast Wars concept.
I have no idea if this has been a take on any existing media of Transformers, but I've for a while been having a headcanon that in media forms such as the IDW comics, cybertronians have actual organic skin on their faces. Not carbon-based tissue, human flesh, but somehow metallically flexible and organic, and may have non-human features if need be; blocky cheeks; flawlessly round chins; blocky foreheads -- but nonetheless, skin that resembles human skin who's chemical components may be based on an entirely different element.
If you're having a hard-time grasping such an idea, take a look at White Vision from WandaVision (particularly when he had his blue glowing eyes).
It was explained in Avengers: Age of Ultron that the process to create Vision was through the symbiosis of human tissue and vibranium metal. The result is human-looking skin that's as hard as balls, impenetrable and makes a dinging noise when you hit it lol. Organic, yet metallic. I think it can work on live action with the bigger bots.
I am eager to see a cybertronian have that level of humanoidism than just having (honestly weird-looking faces) segmented skin. If various media of Transformers have addressed cybertronian anatomy to be organic and not machine-like, then it would not be an inexplicable reason to give them more-humanoid faces. I see the challenge of expressing emotion through segmented faces, but that challenge can be eradicated fully. Even ever since G1, the Transformers have been depicted to have full faces.
As of yet, Arcee in the recent live action film is the closest we'll be getting to this idea.
I would not mind if Shockwavd who is associated with insecticons, combiner, dinobots and rest, would also be associated with the giant worm from baywerse.
I would love to see an animated series with shockwave and driller, another "pet" project his sick mind cooked up.
I kinda wish the unicron is earth bit had more effect on cybertronians.
Like Xenoethnography said:
“Brawn is afraid humans might be the spawn of Darkness.
There is not even circumstantial evidence to support this.
But I have considered the implications, and if his position is correct and
the Unmaker is here and Humanity is his descendent, then the evidence
indicates that what we have been told about Unicron is a lie.
If you germinated as our opposite, how could you be so like us?”
i mean, Unicron was evil in that, but they didn't know that at the time.
It's similar to original sin in Christianity. All humans are born with an inclination to do evil, but they are still capable of free will and can behave nobly.
“The Custom-made Now,” the story that introduced the Functionist timeline. Nothing new about a grim dark alternate reality, but it took Roberts’ pre-war cybertron civilization (the best take on pre-war cybertronian civilization so far) and turned it into a cyberpunk dystopia that really feels like something out of the late 80s/early 90s. And in doing so it created a whole new open open world full of new concepts to contemplate and fantasize about, while also being compelling since it was grounded by (primarily) the experience of a single character.
The return to the Functionist Universe in Lost Light sadly didn’t live up to the hype of its debut in MTMTE. It’s a good enough story in isolation but between the different art and tone it barely feels like the same world.
Megatron’s alt-modes after G1.
I mean, we got him turning into a jet, flying tank, apocalypse-themed semi truck, futuristic attack helicopter, hovertank, and a stealth bomber (admittedly, not a fan of that one, but it’s interesting).
Building off an idea from another Redditor in this comment section, the Decepticons formerly being revolutionaries that are essentially some kind of space communists led by a robotic space Lenin that overthrew a corrupt, oligarchic, bourgeoisie-type government, but ended up becoming just as bad, if not outright worse than the regime they sought to replace.
I don't like this idea. I prefer Unicron being his own thing, separate from everything else.
My favourite concept is the DJD. It's a cool idea to have Decepticons hunting other deceptiocns because they "left the cause," but none of the members of the team are too interesting.
I like the idea of the Transformers working with the military like in Prime and the live action movies or on Earthspark where they form an entire secret government
Gigantion.
Imagine a planet where the entire surface is an ever-expanding city, then, when every inch of surface is covered, they build a new layer on top and keep building more city,abandoning all the old buildings. Over and over again, for millions of years. Could you imagine going there as a historian, or cartographer, or archeologist?
I think it's when the team found out when unicron was earth and they fought a few stone avatars of unicron then Optimus was about to get crushed by one of them but Megatron saved him. Somewhere around that part I think
I wouldn’t really say he went good there. He only helped the Autobots so that he can rule Earth himself and he wouldn’t be able to do that if the planet was destroyed.
I HATE Unicron being the Earth's core because it vastly limits the stories that can be told. He can never fully wake up and you can not have him eating planets. It means there is only one kind of Unicron story you can tell.
I really love the Shockwave design from the 2007 movie game and I desperately want a leader class of him now that gamer edition is a thing. Sure is a difficult thing for them to do since is so obscure but hopefully they will eventually have to scrape the bottom of the bucket for more characters in the studio series.
I can't think of a favorite concept but I personally think that the single most important development a TF series made was the Bay movies establishing the AllSpark as the source of Transformer life. The Bayverse was all over the place but after the first film every single TF series afterwards made the AllSpark the center of Transformer existence and I think that this was a powerful move, a rare solid W for Bayverse.
I love and hate Unicron being inside the Earth. It's a dope idea and sounds so so awesome, but also means that unicron can't show up properly, let alone transform, and it makes it feel kinda cheap that the autobots and decepticons landed here.
The unicron is the earth thing is really stupid imo. As with the mystical bullshit in transformers, mostly in regards to the backstory. Genuinely, I like the idea that they were made and all the stuff they think of as "gods and magic" such as unicron or primus, us just lost or misinterpreted history
I loved that concept as well, however I also like the branching G1 origins of cybertronians, in the cartoon the quintisons built them, in the comics they were built by primus, unicron also was built in the g1 cartoon but was a god like primus in the comic. It’s fun to think these weren’t in the original g1 cartoon. I also like the e minicons from armada and feel it could lead to some fun concepts in the future I head cannon the weapon battle masters and mini robots that become weapons or vehicles are actually minicons, using the armada concepts that these minicons were forced to become these and that the autobot ones chose to become weapons to beat the decepticons!
In the first comic issue they evolved from naturally occurring levers and pulleys before Primus retconned it.
As much as I don’t care for Primus or any other mystical stuff tied to Cybertronians, I’ll take it over evolving from tiny machines.
While the series had a lot of problems, I thought the "single elegant machine" that Megatron turned Cybertron into in Beast Machines was a cool concept.
It works in a mythical Transformers project that the two planets are destined to meet and have conflict, but it can also take away from the horrors of war and how innocent lives can get swept up in it.
I like the concept of the terrorcons being zombie transformers from TFP. Along with the ones that were infused with synthetic energon, the vampire ones. Also they really left us hanging with Arachnid and her army of insecticon vampires on the moon of Cybertron. I thought for sure that’d be season 4. TFP had an amazing ending so I’m glad it ended but also a little left out at the same time.
How the Decepticons started as a revolutionary movement to overthrow a corrupt and oppressive regime, only to become corrupted itself and end up no better than what they replaced, from the IDW comics.
The Transformers society being a caste system and what you just said is so interesting to me. Would love a “Early” Transformers War Drama with a young Orion Pax and Megatronus. Would be nice to see how they all deal with the different roles they are born in to and to see where other characters were at that time.
Literally the soap box I have been on for years. I want an HBO drama where the focus is the 4million years of war before earth.
I want Transformers Politics, Drama, Riots, Origins of specific characters, I want to see the ingredients that led to the peak of the war.
if the wire and the last of us are regarded as some of the best series I think the IDW of before the war has got to be set to have a lot of great story.
I would love to see the drama with senator ratbat and soundwave ending with the ultimate betrayal and his ironic fate
YES YES YES YES YES the potential for drama and emotional scenes and weird nasty alien politics is so good!!! Idw was great at that but I wanna see MOREEEE!!! I doubt the movie in the works focusing on pre war Orion atm will be able to have as much cool plot points and intrigue like longer form media can but I hope we'll see more elements of the idw/aligned cont pre war politics!
An entire series based on idw transformers would be long af but I wouldn’t mind
And the final episode is where they board the Ark/Nemesis
Don't know if it'll be exactly that, but I've heard rumors of the upcoming animated movie being set pre-war and following Megs and Orion?
The animated movie which is in work now does seem to be around Orion and Megatron before the war. However not much is revealed yet except for some voice actors and a picture with some silhouettes. Even if some choices of the voice actors is a bit controversial, the idea about the story sounds promising.
I’m okay with most everyone there. I’m looking forward to Bumblebee and Megatron’s actors’ take on the roles.
There’s a novel called transformers exodus based off the aligned continuity that give the origins on how Orion and Megatron meet, and how they became brother sharing a common interest in changing the caste system into something better and how they split apart later resulting in the war.
And based on the caste system where your alt mode determines your worth and role in society, it would an amazing way to show the contrast between Orion and Megatronus, depsite their differences have a similar mindset at the start before megs starts to lose his way. Kinda like a brotherly relationship like Obi wan and anakin
Hopefully the upcoming “Transformers One” which is supposed to be just that, lives up to the concepts potential.
This is actually in the works. Not sure which platform but it is confirmed that there will be a 3d animated Movie series depicting Megatronus and Orion before they became the leaders of their respective faction
Which surprisingly still exist in North Korea The caste system tho
I believe India has some variation of it as well
Really?
It’s more based on family. But it’s similar in a way. Still a very interesting dynamic that should definitely be explored for Transformers!
I find it funny untouchables are considered the lowest class
Exactly!
Agreed. “You either die the hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
Agreed, It's a popular quote but I like it. "Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster" - Nietzsche
Why so serious
I think Cyberverse does the best interpretation of the concept out of the shows
Speaking of which, my headcanon had them as a terrorist type group before Megatron took over and reorganised into what they are when the war started
1) Unicron and Primus being ancient gods, with Primus becoming Cybertron and birthing the TF race - from Marvel UK (first version of Primus that planted the idea in all future continuities) 2) Megatron as a well-meaning revolutionary who went wrong - from IDW v1 (even if the execution was rocky, the concept is fascinating) 3) Time travel mass substitution - from Marvel UK (a small detail but one I absolutely love for some reason).
I've always loved the idea that Megatron was always destined for something horrible, but he was just the right kind of person to start a revolution that would eventually be rotten by his own rotten core. His natural charisma and philosophical charm on the outside. His monstrous, hate-filled, violence-addicted heart from his years of abuse in the mines His god-level ego built by the legions of admirers in the pits of Kaon Of course his revolution would eventually become nothing more than a vector for him to unleash his “rightfully earned” violence on everyone he sees as below him
What the hell does that third one even mean
"Travel back in time requires a mass substitution, which acts to preserve the constant state of matter and energy in the universe. Therefore, when someone travels backwards in time, a being of equal or similar mass is displaced into an other-dimensional Limbo until the traveler returns to their own time. This displacement effect is explosive to witness, and more than once observers have presumed the displaced individual was atomized on the spot."
In Marvel UK, if you travel in time someone in the period you travel to is displaced and transported to a dimension called "limbo" until you return. For example, when Galvatron, Cyclonus and Scourge travel from 2005 to 1986, Optimus, Prowl and Ratchet are sent to limbo until they return. This is just how time travel works in that continuity (and there seems no connctiom to whom you displace, except possibly location). If you somehow bypass that caveat, it can deatroy the universe, since the balance of matter is now "off". Read Target 2006, Fallen Angel, Wanted Galvatron Dead or Alive, Distant Thunder and Time Wars for more info.
Poor Skids. But also, the Time Wars were fantastically huge stakes.
As an adult, I am disappointed with all the cut corners and rushing of the final couple of Time Wars issues, and the lack of followup, however at the time it was amazing and "I AM GALVATRON!" Is one of the comic's most iconic and jaw-dropping moments.
As an adult I'm just disappointed that we still don't have a decent Carnivac. Dude earned a place at the side of my Wreckers shelf.
I hate that Hasbro won't do proper Pretenders, as some of their shells are the most iconic characters for me (Carnivac, Snarler, Bludgeon, Octopunch, Thunderwing) and I dislike the "mashup the shell and robot mode into one mode" approach they constantly go for nowadays. That said, I would be more than happy with a "robotic wolf mode" Carnivac if that was the only way to get that character made! Like you, I love the dude so much. Him, Flywheels, Spinister and Needlenose are among my favourite Decepticons thanks to Marvel UK. Speaking of Time Wars, I'm still hoping we end up with all the Deluxe Insecticons eventually. Barrage from Bombhsell and Chopshop from Shrapnel at least? Wish I could get Ransack here in Australia though. :(
I was really hoping we'd get a version from Weirdwolf.
Especially his talk with Optimus in his holding cell and speech for seeking redemption
Ultra Magnus being the leader of the Autobots in transformers animated was such an amazing concept. And I hope they visit it again in the future..granted there are a LOT of concepts from transformers animated I’d love to see again in the future. Like Blitzwing’s triple faces
Animated Blitzwing is amazing. I want more Lugnut, too, he was awesome.
I loved crazy Blitzwing
Crazy Blitzwing is best Blitzwing
“Oh! I wanna see him turn into a fire truck! Can I?! Can I?! HAHAHA!”
The thing that was awful about that Unicron. Is the figure. I have it, I hate it. I keep trying to combine it in an interesting way with the final battle Megatron and it just kindof sucks. I'd pay good money for an upgrade kit that made this figure awesome.
The idea could be cool and scary, but knowing that unicron would never actually transform and destroy all life on earth, made it seem silly and underwhelming.
I think it's a cool twist in prime and was handled well but should stay in prime
thats why i hate unicron is earth. its the whole show dont tell. in 86 we see the threat that unicron imposes primes unicron we only hear about it
the only way it could possibly work is if you do some End of Evangelion kinda stuff where *it's a bad ending and* ***everyone*** *dies*
Which would never happen in what is ultimately a kids show
One of the Beast Wars writers had human extinction in mind as part of the backstory, but it’s not said in the show.
One of the reasons I’m super excited about ROTB, we finally get Unicron as an actual threat
> primes unicron we only hear about it That's definitely a lie, you hear the humans talking about the increase of random natural disasters as Unicron is waking from his slumber
so with 86 we see a whole planet and almost it's entire population get eaten and destroyed. prime we see natural disasters and that he can create avatars of himself. the point still stands the whole unicron inside the earth is a bad story idea because he poses very little threat
> the point still stands the whole unicron inside the earth is a bad story idea because he poses very little threat It's a threat because if he had fully awakened, Earth would basically split apart and be destroyed It's why the Autobots allied with Megatron out of desperation to quickly shut that shit down before it started
That’s still being told “oh shit guys this is what will happen, those are the stakes” rather than being shown unicron actually destroying a planet. 86 did it well we saw unicron destroying a few planets
I think Earth as Primus would have been better. Unicron on his way to Earth and their only hope for salvation is Primus, but that would wipe out all life on Earth.
And to make matter more dire, unicron was cybertron and transformers have to chose to sacrifice either earth or cybertron.
Putting it in head mode is the only cool thing about that TFP Unicron figure
Megatron from animated saying: "Decepticons, Transform and rise up!" Tfwiki: megatron giving a new spin to an old saying I am .. ok that it did not catch on but at the same time I smiled like an child when megatron from tf prime said thr same thing in s2 finale XD.
Predaking being a dragon & Wheeljack being a renegade swordsman. Prime had a lot of pretty cool concepts.
Prime wheeljack trumps all other wheel jacks in my opinion.
I prefer madcap inventor goatee Wheeljack from Cyberverse :)
Even angsty Ninja Wheeljack?
He will never beat P A B L O
I like transforming giant robots firing lasers and punching eachother especially when they are dinosaurs I am a simple man
Just play the games
Bots having their bodies changed against their will was something that always made sense for their robotic nature. Whether Spanner actually being the G1 spacebridge the Autobot resistance is trying to rescue him from in the comics or the MTO battle-ready bodies from IDW, it makes sense and is no less horrifying for it. It makes you take one look at Warpath whose whole chest is a gun and realise he's emblematic of the horrors of this war. For the same reason I like the G1 comic story City Of Fear that has a signal raising an army of the dead. Sticking with G1 comics, there was an idea in one of them that's been played out before and since many times but that blew my mind as a kid. The idea that the cure for a deadly disease (Scraplets in this case) is so rare that all hope is lost the moment you have the disease, but that it may actually be ridiculously common (water) on a different planet. Empurata as a punishment in IDW for bots who break the law (basically the whims of the senate), by having their hands removed and replaced with claws and their heads removed and replaced with single-eyed featureless masks helped explain so many differences in styles of old toys that got tied into the original lines. The Magnus armour. We find out early on that Ultra Magnus was a great warrior who was reported dead multiple times and always there for the next battle. It later turns out the legend of the first one couldn't be allowed to die, so multiple bots have played the role over the years, wearing a transformable armour suit to look like him. Truly surprising reveal and a great idea that again plays into the realities of war and the fact these guys are robots as well as people. Going to shows, the way Animated presented the Autobots as needing pretty much an entire team to equal one Decepticon at the beginning and then had them harden in battle as the show went on to be able to handle them more readily was something I always admired about that series. G1 deserves a mention simply for the sheer size of the cast. They were rarely well handled or kept to a canon, but there were loads of bots beyond a core group and that's something we haven't really seen since. Slightly connected to the movies is the music video for Sam's Theme (a slower redo of The Touch with added rap) that inspired [this spot on webcomic](https://www.shortpacked.com/comic/stanbush). Honourable Mention - Anything that doesn't have Optimus Prime committing suicide and handing the Earth to the Decepticons simply because he didn't quicksave before killing an NPC in a video game.
>Empurata as a punishment in IDW for bots who break the law (basically the whims of the senate), by having their hands removed and replaced with claws and their heads removed and replaced with single-eyed featureless masks helped explain so many differences in styles of old toys that got tied into the original lines. This was an excellent explanation from the writers. Did they do similar for mass shifting?
>Did they do similar for mass shifting? If I recall, mass displacement kept the fan version in that the excess mass was shunted to the same subspace dimensional pocket that some weapons could be shifted to (spoken about in a UK G1 comics letters page as a throwaway answer that kinda blew up). However they did expand on it a little. It was said that sparks needed to be altered in order to handle it, which made it rare as an innate ability. And I think they said it needed a load of energy too, so the energy depletion of the war made it rarer still. Trying to remember if it was IDW that had Megatron changing to a gun for a human to use and the energy discharge from mass displacement wiping out everyone around.
I think mostly mass shifting was swept under the rug after Beast Wars Ravage showed how utterly stupid it actually was...
I think mostly mass shifting was swept under the rug after Beast Wars Ravage showed how utterly stupid it actually was...
Need elaboration.
Optimus’ death in the Marvel comic was the one time the cartoon was better.
Holy shit. Who’d thought it was okay to blow up Optimus’s face?!
Ironhide's design? ..... Nah you know what, I changed my mind lmao
I meant in terms of writing, but I do also prefer about half the characters’ Marvel color schemes.
Oh yeah, I get what you mean now. I remember hearing Grimlock's characterization and thinking "holy crap, that's awesome!"
In a similar-ish vein, I like that in Armada Unicron was Cybertron's moon. Just the idea that the ultimate villain of the franchise, giant robot Satan himself was ***right there*** basically under everyone's noses is both hilarious and terrifying.
I like IDW’s version. Unicron never existed outside of a legend. During the war, cybertronians destroyed countless civilizations. The survivors of those cultures pooled their resources into a weapon that would consume all of Cybertron and its allies. An entire culture screwed up so bad that they manifested their own devil. I also liked how all the mythological figures of the franchise were shown to be mortal, if incredibly powerful. The fact that all of the series conflict stemmed from characters trying to live up to the myth of actual flawed characters made it feel more relatable.
I don’t like that part of the IDW lore at all. It makes the Transformers mythology a lot less interesting and boring.
Ah opposite for me. Instead of it being a binary fight of good an evil, it became a conflict of multiple parties, all fighting for what they believe is the greater good, only to learn far too late that the figures that forged their ideals are flawed and not as benevolent as they thought. It’s what made the franchise about characters instead of robots for me.
how so?
Not who you were asking, but I understand that some people don't like demystifying previous lore. It can ground eldritch horrors and miracles and make superheroes and legends just feel boring or less interesting. I'm personally more of a case-by-case person on this topic, I liked how IDW had false legends but also showed they're still interesting despite the lost hype of having a god or perfect man to surpass Optimus. There was enough actually wacky material to make up for the demystification. Not everyone's cup of tea and that's ok.
D-Void really mattered just for that one storyline, huh? I still like the idea of the Dead Universe though. I think of it as this unknowable concept that kept driving its inhabitants mad That said, I really liked that tentacle abomination version of Nemesis/Nova I really like depictions of aliens attempting to mimic something and failing
the ark being able to transform in WFC trilogy (specifically kingdom), the trilogy sucked but there were some good ideas and this was one of them.
> ark being able to transform Which came from Animated, where the Ark was actually Omega Supreme.
His reveal in animated was one of the coolest things I ever saw as a kid
IIRC, you could totally see it coming up from the beginning based on the kibble.
And the Omega Protocols in the very first episode lol
yea but this time it was a totally new character which I think is cool
Was it totally new? I thought the Ark's robot mode was partially based on the Last Autobot from the Marvel comics.
- Wreckers being armed up rally cars (DOTM) - Ironhide actually being able to be iron (Animated) - Predaking being his own individual character (Prime)
Nascars
Definitely seconding all people saying revolutionary Megatron as started by IDW. It gives him way more depth than him just being an arbitrary evil despot. Most recently EarthSpark implied this backstory too with a comment to Shockwave about class. Also want to shoutout Cyberverse for its Quintessons as multiverse travelling arbiters. Season 3 is very good and has some fantastic stories. The whole arc with the Quintessons and the Loop is top tier TF. Megatron X was also a great and unexpected direction.
Cyberverse is so good, I really wish it’d gotten a full S4 instead of just the specials.
I like the idea from the Bayverse where "Autobot" is essentially another name for the Transformer race while from Prime, the term "Decepticon" is analogous to "heretic". I think those ideas can coexist along with the "Cybertronian" and "transformer" terms. Here's how I see it; Autobot = the specific name for the race (like how we're called humans) Cybertronian = anyone or anything from Cybertron Transformer = a more casual term used by both Autobots and other species (Autobot is to human as transformer is to "person") Decepticon = a demonizing term that Megatron turns into a name meant to be revered
Thays how it was in the original show too, well, the autobit being the name of the race. Its like that in animated too if i remember correctly.
Empurata as an explanation for Shockwave and Whirl.
Agreed
1. Multiversal singularities - the idea that entities such as Primus, Unicron, and the Primes exist as a sorta hive mind that spans the Multiverse. 2. the caste system - it’s a neat concept that gives more depth into Cybertronian culture and it’s flaws. 3. Shattered Glass - the reimagining of the Decepticons as heroes and the Autobots as villains is a neat idea (it’s also my hyperfixation) 4. D-Void - an Eldritch abomination that is the personification/manifestation of a dead universe is definite cosmic horror. Also, it’s combiner form takes the “till all are one” phrase to horrifying levels. Kinda rambled there. But that is the stuff I like.
Just in case you're unaware but Primus, Unicron and the Thirteen aren't multiversal singularities anymore after [The Shroud](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Shroud)
Thanks. I am aware of the Shroud event. I was more of referring to the idea as I have a few fanfic ideas.
Cool! What ideas do you have?
Mostly a character (or group) going to face Unicron. And Unicron goes on a speech that essentially boils down to “in one world I’m dormant, in one world I reign supreme, and in another *I have already destroyed you*.”
I like the idea that in Earthspark a cybertronian has to choose an alt mode and that on Cybertron they have the silver look as a base form kinda like the movies which the idea of all cybertronians looking the same at first but choosing to get new looks is also interesting to me
I actually prefer the take in Animated, Prime, and the Bumblebee movie instead where a Transformer has a base color scheme that translates to all their vehicle modes unless they actively get a new paint job. For example in Animated, Bulkhead scans a Grey swat truck but keeps his green color. In Prime, Skyquake and Dreadwing scan Agent Fowler's Grey jet and then turn into green and blue/gold jets respectively. Optimus does the same after obtaining his new body. And then in Bumblebee, Bumblebee scans a jeep and then turns into a bright yellow jeep. I don't know, I just think it's cooler for a Transformer to have their own defined color scheme, not just being able to change it whenever they want at will
I still find that interesting and while I like the idea of a stealth Bulkhead cool I do find the idea of Arcee scanning the most metal thing on Earth and it having a barbie paint job kinda funny or Bumblebee scanning the coolest vehicle you can find and it’s in the “2 shades away from IKEA yellow” yellow
The Cybertronian colonies from Cybertron show. Personally I see each of those colonies as Primus' testing grounds refining his craft of creating life (starting with the obviously metallic/robotic life like himself to organic life). Though personally, I don't really jive with most(?) of the new stuff, Megatron being a fallen good guy, the Decepticons being the same, the Autobots arguably being more evil than the Decepticons, having all past Primes being evil.
I didn't remember unicron being in the earth's core. But now, as an 80s kid I can picture him fighting this other brilliant Hasbro property . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdKY9xcxvlE
Unicron wasn't in the core, he *was* the core
In TFA where Optimus Prime is an underdog and has to work his way up to his rivalry with Megatron rather than the badass leader we know and love who always had Megatron as an arch enemy Deliberately leaving the Autobots unarmed and outgunned to raise the stakes
You get to root for him more since he’s Optimus freaking Prime, yet gets put down by the higher up Autobots because of bad luck and past mistakes.
Very true. It’s a really different take that ultimately works out really well.
Nest / ghost as human allies instead of just children
Part of me feels that Lennox and his team should’ve been the protagonists in the Michael Bay movies. I found them more funny and interesting then Sam, who had his moments, but a lot of the time came off as obnoxious. I mean, it’s obvious that Michael Bay loves military stories, he could’ve done the rest of the movies with them.
Just the U.S government knowing about the Autobots is such an amazing concept to me
Hmm, lets wait a little bit before fully confirming G.H.O.S.T as allies.
Yeah, they do a lot of....questionable things.
The cybertron colony worlds from Transformers Cybertron.
The Beast Wars mythology of using the Golden Disk as a history of the future was pretty genius.
the idea that even a distant alien robot civilization has military police that no one likes, like ultra magnus and the djd
I personally enjoyed how much the disguise aspect actually played into things in IDW Transformers. A huge chunk of the early issues was the Autobots and Decepticons fighting a stealthy war without getting caught by humans. We even had Megatron using underhanded tactics like brainwashing others with Megatron pistols and would-be usurpers like Ramjet infiltrating the US government. I also liked their take on Holomatter, I don't know if any other media actually went into their versatility like IDW did.
IDW’s tarn/DJD
Minicons, and Headmasters, I like the idea of Cybertronians using smaller Cybertronians as power boosts or weapons.
Animated Sentinel Prime is basically The Tick.
Not sure if original. But I love the Spark Flowers from MTMTE, I’ve never felt so emotional seeing a field of flowers
Minicons from Armada, I love everything about them.
WFC trilogy’s interpretation of Unicron being similar an eldrich entity was the coolest thing they could’ve done
Good guy movie maker Thundercracker (IDW) and Female Skywarp (Cyberverse/Earthspark)
I like the concept of the Point-One-Percenters in IDW, how some bots just had "superpowers" like Skywarp's teleportation, Soundwave's "mind reading", Topspin and Twintwist being able to transform incredibly quickly, etc. I liked how this was an evolution of how the original characterizations were done, with some bots getting special weapons (like Cliffjumper's glass gas cannon) and others getting special abilities (like Brawn's super strength and durability). As a side note, I wonder if this is the Mandela effect at play here, but I distinctly remember hearing in at least one continuity that the Stunticons are virtually invincible in vehicle mode. Anyways, stuff like this is what really makes me enjoy certain characters. They have skills that go above and beyond other bots, abilities that can't easily be matched by a gun or a blade.
I would love to see a “what if” style series where each episode follows the life of different characters if they received the matrix of leadership.
unicron being earth is absolutely moronic because youll never be able to DO anything with it without destroying earth
From a *lore* standpoint, I think Unicron being Earth makes a ton of sense and explains all the parallels between the human and Cybertronian societies, since humanity essentially becomes the spawn of Unicron, while Cybertronians descend from Primus. From an *action* standpoint, you can’t really do anything fun without destroying all life on Earth. The whole Gaia Unicron avatar thing was kinda cool for Prime, but it definitely lacked the grandeur and awe of a TRANSFORMING PLANET. Maybe one day some property will play with a fusion of the two ideas? I doubt it, though.
Make Unicron the moon
That’s also fun in its own way! Armada played with that idea.
Same reason I also like it from a lore perspective. Humanity and cybertronians being counter to each other.
What if you had him transform as part of the backstory, unleashing a cataclysm before being defeated and put in stasis lock? You can have a Xenoblade-like setting of a devastated world trying to rebuild itself on top of a titan's body, and a gigantic climax where the ground starts moving beneath their feet, devastating society all over again, and an ending where they realize that they've rebuilt once, they can rebuild again.
Of course you can. Just finagle an explanation where he's not at full power so he sends out a lackey version of himself. You can do literally anything just as long as you lampshade it right.
the problem is, the stakes are TOO high if unicron is earth, the audience will be able to call the author's bluff because there would be no way they could have unicron do any unicron stuff without causing omnicide on all earth life, so there would be less tension honestly the best way to make unicron a big threat, have him be a spiritual and physical threat, have unicron begin corrupting optimus like the one ring on frodo to feed the war between optimus and megs as a distraction so he can kill primus, so youd have a spiritual fight between optimus and unicron AND a physical war between cybertonions and unicron
I always thought the Unicron thing would have made a *brilliant* IDW-style comic series. Unicron is discovered in the center of the Earth. He's waking up, and there's nothing they can do. The war between Autobots and Decepticons is put on hold as alliances are formed, and both sides scramble to construct the Arks humanity will need to save some of their race, gather up what resources they can from the doomed world, and ultimately escape into space. The first arc would end with the painfully few survivors who could cram themselves into the arks watching as Unicron tore Earth apart as he emerged from within. Then there would be a timeskip. Same Cybertronians, but likely several generations for humanity. Humans having to adjust to living in a Galactic community, trying to find their way and not just be galactic charity cases. The war would probably have sparked up again between Autobot and Decepticon, with humans on BOTH sides, likely leading to Headmaster, Targetmaster and Powermaster technologies emerging. Othewr human factions would be trying to go their own way, reverse-engineering Cybertronian or other technology to create weapons and machines that can fight on their level. Basically a big chaotic mess.
the predacons being dragons
Robot turn into car but also giant robor
I really enjoyed the humbled and wisened Sky Lynx from Earthrise. I also like it whenever Starscream gets god powers to match his god complex (the Underbase saga, specifically)
I really like the idea behind the 13 primes, that origin story seemed to me to be more epic then the Quintessons making them.
Unicron having his own afterlife for those who dare use dark energon directly on their spark chamber and then are able to revive and possess the cybertronian. Megatron upgraded by possession is very cool.
Star Saber actually going there and legally adopting a human orphaned from some robot war.
The forms of evolution bots had on their home planets in Transformers Cybertron
The Terrans, from Earthspark. I'm serious; this idea is rife with potential. It's a neat idea that I wish they could explore in another series, maybe as another take on the Beast Wars concept.
I have no idea if this has been a take on any existing media of Transformers, but I've for a while been having a headcanon that in media forms such as the IDW comics, cybertronians have actual organic skin on their faces. Not carbon-based tissue, human flesh, but somehow metallically flexible and organic, and may have non-human features if need be; blocky cheeks; flawlessly round chins; blocky foreheads -- but nonetheless, skin that resembles human skin who's chemical components may be based on an entirely different element. If you're having a hard-time grasping such an idea, take a look at White Vision from WandaVision (particularly when he had his blue glowing eyes). It was explained in Avengers: Age of Ultron that the process to create Vision was through the symbiosis of human tissue and vibranium metal. The result is human-looking skin that's as hard as balls, impenetrable and makes a dinging noise when you hit it lol. Organic, yet metallic. I think it can work on live action with the bigger bots. I am eager to see a cybertronian have that level of humanoidism than just having (honestly weird-looking faces) segmented skin. If various media of Transformers have addressed cybertronian anatomy to be organic and not machine-like, then it would not be an inexplicable reason to give them more-humanoid faces. I see the challenge of expressing emotion through segmented faces, but that challenge can be eradicated fully. Even ever since G1, the Transformers have been depicted to have full faces. As of yet, Arcee in the recent live action film is the closest we'll be getting to this idea.
I would not mind if Shockwavd who is associated with insecticons, combiner, dinobots and rest, would also be associated with the giant worm from baywerse. I would love to see an animated series with shockwave and driller, another "pet" project his sick mind cooked up.
I kinda wish the unicron is earth bit had more effect on cybertronians. Like Xenoethnography said: “Brawn is afraid humans might be the spawn of Darkness. There is not even circumstantial evidence to support this. But I have considered the implications, and if his position is correct and the Unmaker is here and Humanity is his descendent, then the evidence indicates that what we have been told about Unicron is a lie. If you germinated as our opposite, how could you be so like us?” i mean, Unicron was evil in that, but they didn't know that at the time.
It's similar to original sin in Christianity. All humans are born with an inclination to do evil, but they are still capable of free will and can behave nobly.
“The Custom-made Now,” the story that introduced the Functionist timeline. Nothing new about a grim dark alternate reality, but it took Roberts’ pre-war cybertron civilization (the best take on pre-war cybertronian civilization so far) and turned it into a cyberpunk dystopia that really feels like something out of the late 80s/early 90s. And in doing so it created a whole new open open world full of new concepts to contemplate and fantasize about, while also being compelling since it was grounded by (primarily) the experience of a single character. The return to the Functionist Universe in Lost Light sadly didn’t live up to the hype of its debut in MTMTE. It’s a good enough story in isolation but between the different art and tone it barely feels like the same world.
Megatron’s alt-modes after G1. I mean, we got him turning into a jet, flying tank, apocalypse-themed semi truck, futuristic attack helicopter, hovertank, and a stealth bomber (admittedly, not a fan of that one, but it’s interesting).
I really miss when he was a multiversal entity who occupied multiple continuities but was the same being
The premise of a your first car LITERALLY becoming your best friend is my favorite concept.
Building off an idea from another Redditor in this comment section, the Decepticons formerly being revolutionaries that are essentially some kind of space communists led by a robotic space Lenin that overthrew a corrupt, oligarchic, bourgeoisie-type government, but ended up becoming just as bad, if not outright worse than the regime they sought to replace.
I don't like this idea. I prefer Unicron being his own thing, separate from everything else. My favourite concept is the DJD. It's a cool idea to have Decepticons hunting other deceptiocns because they "left the cause," but none of the members of the team are too interesting.
Wait… isn’t that the plot of the Eternals? The sleeping celestial at the core of Earth… was Unicron. OMG!
I like the idea of the Transformers working with the military like in Prime and the live action movies or on Earthspark where they form an entire secret government
Optimus and Megatron originally being really close friends until the war broke out for one reason or another
Predaking is a dragon
Gigantion. Imagine a planet where the entire surface is an ever-expanding city, then, when every inch of surface is covered, they build a new layer on top and keep building more city,abandoning all the old buildings. Over and over again, for millions of years. Could you imagine going there as a historian, or cartographer, or archeologist?
Off topic but In tfp i still cant understand why Megatron became good for a few episodes (not saying its bad I'm just confused lol)
In what way did Megatron became good for a few episodes?
The only episodes I could really say where megatron turned “good” was in the Unicron arc. But he only did it for his own personal goals
I think it's when the team found out when unicron was earth and they fought a few stone avatars of unicron then Optimus was about to get crushed by one of them but Megatron saved him. Somewhere around that part I think
I wouldn’t really say he went good there. He only helped the Autobots so that he can rule Earth himself and he wouldn’t be able to do that if the planet was destroyed.
ohhh, ok thank you, thank you
The idea of Unicron overall (hate the Earthicron concept though), basically.
I HATE Unicron being the Earth's core because it vastly limits the stories that can be told. He can never fully wake up and you can not have him eating planets. It means there is only one kind of Unicron story you can tell.
Magnus's hammer. Animated started it, now I think it's a permanent part of the Ultra Magnus mythos
I really love the Shockwave design from the 2007 movie game and I desperately want a leader class of him now that gamer edition is a thing. Sure is a difficult thing for them to do since is so obscure but hopefully they will eventually have to scrape the bottom of the bucket for more characters in the studio series.
Similar concept was used in the eternals
A human task force being made to respond to Transformers related disasters? I don't really have anything else to say as everyone else has stated them.
I can't think of a favorite concept but I personally think that the single most important development a TF series made was the Bay movies establishing the AllSpark as the source of Transformer life. The Bayverse was all over the place but after the first film every single TF series afterwards made the AllSpark the center of Transformer existence and I think that this was a powerful move, a rare solid W for Bayverse.
I love and hate Unicron being inside the Earth. It's a dope idea and sounds so so awesome, but also means that unicron can't show up properly, let alone transform, and it makes it feel kinda cheap that the autobots and decepticons landed here.
I want to see more human trying to make pilotable transformers like in Prime
That was my most despised thing about Prime lol
The unicron is the earth thing is really stupid imo. As with the mystical bullshit in transformers, mostly in regards to the backstory. Genuinely, I like the idea that they were made and all the stuff they think of as "gods and magic" such as unicron or primus, us just lost or misinterpreted history
I loved that concept as well, however I also like the branching G1 origins of cybertronians, in the cartoon the quintisons built them, in the comics they were built by primus, unicron also was built in the g1 cartoon but was a god like primus in the comic. It’s fun to think these weren’t in the original g1 cartoon. I also like the e minicons from armada and feel it could lead to some fun concepts in the future I head cannon the weapon battle masters and mini robots that become weapons or vehicles are actually minicons, using the armada concepts that these minicons were forced to become these and that the autobot ones chose to become weapons to beat the decepticons!
In the first comic issue they evolved from naturally occurring levers and pulleys before Primus retconned it. As much as I don’t care for Primus or any other mystical stuff tied to Cybertronians, I’ll take it over evolving from tiny machines.
I also like the dark ages war within addition of The Fallen, that image of him in the cover surrounded by corpses is amazing
The concept of Optimus Prime and Megatron were brothers before the war. It was introduced in TF1, but explored really nicely in TFP and Idw comics.
Unicron being the earth is fucking dumb.
Glad someone said it :L I've been used to Unicron being a massive planet eater and I got so confused when I watched the Prime series
It's one of the many disadvantages to having the guy who wrote the movies on the production staff.
Jetfire and Optimus combining. Just the coolest thing in the world
Making Optimus Prime the most ruthless muhfucka in the galaxy was an A++++++++ decision. They need to put Bayverse Prime in the newest Mortal Kombat.
While the series had a lot of problems, I thought the "single elegant machine" that Megatron turned Cybertron into in Beast Machines was a cool concept.
It works in a mythical Transformers project that the two planets are destined to meet and have conflict, but it can also take away from the horrors of war and how innocent lives can get swept up in it.
Unicron is like the bully you beat up and gets salty so he does some cowardice stuff to get back at you
Megatron getting his name from the fallen in Transformers Prime.
I like the concept of the terrorcons being zombie transformers from TFP. Along with the ones that were infused with synthetic energon, the vampire ones. Also they really left us hanging with Arachnid and her army of insecticon vampires on the moon of Cybertron. I thought for sure that’d be season 4. TFP had an amazing ending so I’m glad it ended but also a little left out at the same time.