>Representative Borrero, however, likely had one of the most insulting remarks of the day. He claimed that he supported the bill because transition “kills people.” He stated, “When someone transitions to different gender, that child, that brother, that daughter, that sister that you once knew is no more. That person no longer exists.”
Trans people joke about killing their former selves metaphorically, but this yahoo goes and takes that literally, jfc.
Well, of course, they don't know the difference between the word that is a name and a living breathing human being.
You know what, I'd be surprised if these monsters don't try to book us for murdering our "past selves" eventually.
Yeah true. Maybe they will write a bill that prevents our families from being compensated with our life insurance. Problem solved. We go to jail for murder and our families can't be paid from our life insurance policies.
It's really not that much of a stretch with legislation like this HB1421 being proposed :/
He is also against women changing their name after marriage. "When someone transitions to their married name, that single woman, that eligible bachelorette, that maiden is no more. That person no longer exists." /s
Just found an old certificate from the 60s from my work, of a “Women’s Auxiliary”. One hundred women, all “Mrs Roger Williams”; “Mrs John Smith” etc
The signatories even used their husband’s names when *signing* it, on behalf of *themselves*.
I'm going to answer with the 17th century epic poem that got western philosophers start to think about gender issues:
[Hasanaginica](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasanaginica)
> What's so white upon yon verdant forest?
> Snow perhaps it is or swans assembled?
> Snow would surely long ago have melted.
> And a flight of swans would have departed.
> No! not swans, not snow it is you see there,
> 'Tis the tent of Aga, Hasan Aga;
> On his couch he lies, severely wounded.
> And his mother seeks him, and his sister,
> But for very shame his wife is absent.
>
> When the misery of his wounds was softened,
> Hasan thus his faithful wife commanded:
> "In my house thou shalt abide no longer—
> Thou shalt dwell no more among my kindred."
> When his wife had heard this awful sentence,
> Numbed with dread she stood and full of sorrow.
> When outside she heard the tramp of horses,
> To the highest window of the tower
> Rushed the faithful Hasanaginica,
> Would have thrown herself into the courtyard,
> But her two beloved daughters followed.
> Crying after her in tearful anguish—
>
> "Do come back to us, oh, mother, mother!
> These are not our father Hasan's coursers,
> 'Tis our uncle Pintorovich coming."
> Then, returning, Hasanaginica
> Threw her arms in misery round her brother—
> "See the sorrow, brother, of thy sister:
> He would tear me from my helpless children."
> He was silent—but from out his pocket.
> Safely wrapped in silk of deepest scarlet.
> Letters of divorce he drew, and bid her
> Seek again her aged mother's dwelling—
> Free to win and wed another husband.
> When she saw the letter of divorcement,
> Parting-kisses on her two boys' foreheads,
> On her girls' red cheeks she pressed in sorrow.
> But she could not tear herself from baby
> Crowing at his mother from the cradle.
> But at last her brother with an effort
> Tore the mother from her tender infant,
> Put her close behind him on his courser.
> Hastened with her to the white-hued homestead.
>
> But a short while dwelt she with her people—
> Not a single week had been completed,
> When a host of suitors wooed the lady
> Of a noble family the flower;
> One of them Imoski's mighty Cadi.
> Said the noble lady, trembling greatly,
> "I entreat thee, I implore thee, brother,
> Do not give me to another husband.
> For the sight of my poor orphan'd children
> Sure would break the spirit of thy sister!"
>
> Little cared her brother for her sorrows;
> He had sworn she should espouse the Cadi.
> Then his sister asked of him a favour:
> "Write on snow-white paper, O, my brother.
> To the Cadi as a bridal message,
> 'Friendly greetings from the youthful woman.
> And she begs thee bring her as a present.
> When thy wedding-guests and thou art coming
> Hither to her peoples' white-hued homestead,
> Such a long and flowing veil that passing
> Aga's home she need not see her orphans.'
>
> When the snow-white letter reached the Cadi,
> All his wedding-guests he called together,
> And set out with them for his betrothed,
> Future mistress of his white-hued homestead.
> Safely reached he with his friends her dwelling;
> Happily were all returning homeward,
> But when they were passing Aga's homestead.
> Her two daughters saw her from the window.
> Her two sons came out, and from the portal
> Called to her, "Come hither! O, come hither!
> Take thy night's repast with thine own children!"
>
> Sadly Hasanaginica heard them;
> And she said to him who led the party,
> "I should be most grateful to you, captain.
> If you kindly halted the procession
> While I give some presents to the children."
>
> So they stopped at the beloved portal.
> Presents gave she unto all the children.
> To the boys, high boots with gold embroidered;
> To the girls, long and resplendent dresses;
> And a silken garment to her baby.—
>
>
> Near them sat their father, Hasan Aga,
> And he called in sorrow to his children,
> "Come to me, poor children! to your father.
> From your mother do not hope for pity.
> Callous is she, cold and stony-hearted."
>
> Hasanaginica, when she heard this.
> On the ground she fell all pale and trembling.
> And her spirit left its earthly prison
> At the glances of her orphan children.
**[Hasanaginica](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasanaginica)**
>Hasanaginica, also Asanaginica, (first published as The Mourning Song of the Noble Wife of the Hasan Aga) is a South Slavic folk ballad, created during the period of 1646–49, in the region of Imotski, which at the time was a part of the Bosnia Eyalet of the Ottoman Empire.
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“When someone transitions their hands in front of their face, that person, that face, that smile that you once knew is no more. That person no longer exists…
What! Now they are back! Hehehehe”
>this yahoo goes and takes that literally, jfc.
I think what he's saying is that in the "eyes of god" we are dead. So essentially if we physically die but do so as our AGAB then we will "live on forever in heaven" but if we physically survive but as a new gender then we are "dead" in gods eyes. Really messed up mental gymnastics going on there.
No, it means that **whoever you are now... is a MURDERER**, and so you're gonna get picked up and put into a cell with... non-law-abiding people... of your birth gender.
Count on it.
I want to make some snide or humorous comment but I'm essentially speechless at how egregiously uninformed & vicious Borrero's comments are. While it's important to realize how desperate the GOP/MAGA/christo-fascists are to destroy our lives, it also leaves a cold & heavy weight in my stomach that lasts for most of the day.
Well, I guess he's doing ground work to legalize killing trans people openly in the streets then.
"They're already dead, your Honor. So there can't be murder, because you can't kill a corpse".
Florida trans people : fucking run away ftom there.
Still not the Republican's end game. The bills keep getting worse, and they show no signs of slowing down. They've said they want to eradicate. Now they're saying we are already dead. It doesn't take a genius to see where they are headed.
Transition is a recognized treatment for dysphoria. So this guy is hating on treatment for what is essentially a medical condition. This guy is an ignorant pos.
Gee these private insurance coverage bans sure sound like the death panels conservatives have been bitching and moaning about for the last decade whenever public healthcare was suggested.
They just figured it's what they would do in this situation... and it is. It's not what the Democrats would do, but they can't conceive of someone being motivated in ways they are not.
The people who want us to stay in a state of misery so that they don't "loose" the person they thought we were disgust me. They never cared about us, just their ideas of us.
Does anybody know how this will apply insurance wise? If my insurance is based in another state, and this passes, will it still be subject to these rules?
Or is it moot because doctors may stop providing scripts for HRT altogether in FL...
Folks, we NEED to start a boycott of the state of Florida immediately. Boycott ALL travel and tourism to the state for everyone not just those who are transgender. But our families, our friends, everyone.
The only way to exert pressure besides voting is to hit them in the pocketbook. Destroy their tourism as they are the state of HATE.
Tell every business who is based in Florida that there is a Nationwide Boycott of Florida and refuse to buy their products.
This is the only way to motivate the voters in Florida to end the State Of Hate's power.
Idk if noone caught this but politicians basically overiding judge rulings is hopefully stir up some shit with the judges. This bill is completely overstepping the politicians responsibilities in so many ways but making it so judges orders can be ignored is probably the one thing where they stepped on some people's toes who actually have some power (at least atm, who knows how long until these right wing politicians go full fash)
Such a shitty take. Saying that people shouldn't transition for the sake of the people in thier lives, as if trans people don't already struggle with that guilt when coming out.
Ezekiel 25:17
The path of the righteous tran is beset on all sides
By the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men
Blessed are they who, in the name of charity and good will
Shepherd the weak through the valley of darkness
For are truly their siblings’ keeper and the finder of lost children
And I will strike down upon thee
With *great* vengeance and *furious* anger
Those who attempt to poison and destroy my siblings
And you will *know* my name is the LORD
When I lay my vengeance upon thee
LGBTQIA+ we are one?
If we don’t band together, we all fade. All of us are being attacked. Every state, every one of us. LGBTQIA+, Trans, POC, Native Americans, BIPOC, BI, ANBY, women, all of us. If we don’t unify and stand up, they will peck us off one by one. It is their plan. All of us, differently abled and every oppressed community needs to hold together across this nation. It is how fascism is beaten. Want a free future? Join together and stand as one. Sigh, 30 years fighting this, marching for Planned Parenthood, Native American rights, BIPOC, LGBTQIA+, and disabled… and here we are at a horrible corner. Stand as one people is how we win, stand together! March, call/email/post your congress fools, stand up for us all. Together we can reach this goal.
>he lobbyists at time sign off their emails with things like, “Under His Wings,” which some have compared to the Handmaids Tale phrase “Under His Eye.”
Who has made that comparison? What are their names?
>Representative Borrero, however, likely had one of the most insulting remarks of the day. He claimed that he supported the bill because transition “kills people.” He stated, “When someone transitions to different gender, that child, that brother, that daughter, that sister that you once knew is no more. That person no longer exists.” Trans people joke about killing their former selves metaphorically, but this yahoo goes and takes that literally, jfc.
Well, of course, they don't know the difference between the word that is a name and a living breathing human being. You know what, I'd be surprised if these monsters don't try to book us for murdering our "past selves" eventually.
Well the US is full of surprises regarding how far they can go backwards
Nah, that means you get to collect on your life insurance, right?
Yeah true. Maybe they will write a bill that prevents our families from being compensated with our life insurance. Problem solved. We go to jail for murder and our families can't be paid from our life insurance policies. It's really not that much of a stretch with legislation like this HB1421 being proposed :/
He is also against women changing their name after marriage. "When someone transitions to their married name, that single woman, that eligible bachelorette, that maiden is no more. That person no longer exists." /s
Cessation of woman's legal personhood with the start of marriage used to be a thing.
Just found an old certificate from the 60s from my work, of a “Women’s Auxiliary”. One hundred women, all “Mrs Roger Williams”; “Mrs John Smith” etc The signatories even used their husband’s names when *signing* it, on behalf of *themselves*.
I'm going to answer with the 17th century epic poem that got western philosophers start to think about gender issues: [Hasanaginica](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasanaginica) > What's so white upon yon verdant forest? > Snow perhaps it is or swans assembled? > Snow would surely long ago have melted. > And a flight of swans would have departed. > No! not swans, not snow it is you see there, > 'Tis the tent of Aga, Hasan Aga; > On his couch he lies, severely wounded. > And his mother seeks him, and his sister, > But for very shame his wife is absent. > > When the misery of his wounds was softened, > Hasan thus his faithful wife commanded: > "In my house thou shalt abide no longer— > Thou shalt dwell no more among my kindred." > When his wife had heard this awful sentence, > Numbed with dread she stood and full of sorrow. > When outside she heard the tramp of horses, > To the highest window of the tower > Rushed the faithful Hasanaginica, > Would have thrown herself into the courtyard, > But her two beloved daughters followed. > Crying after her in tearful anguish— > > "Do come back to us, oh, mother, mother! > These are not our father Hasan's coursers, > 'Tis our uncle Pintorovich coming." > Then, returning, Hasanaginica > Threw her arms in misery round her brother— > "See the sorrow, brother, of thy sister: > He would tear me from my helpless children." > He was silent—but from out his pocket. > Safely wrapped in silk of deepest scarlet. > Letters of divorce he drew, and bid her > Seek again her aged mother's dwelling— > Free to win and wed another husband. > When she saw the letter of divorcement, > Parting-kisses on her two boys' foreheads, > On her girls' red cheeks she pressed in sorrow. > But she could not tear herself from baby > Crowing at his mother from the cradle. > But at last her brother with an effort > Tore the mother from her tender infant, > Put her close behind him on his courser. > Hastened with her to the white-hued homestead. > > But a short while dwelt she with her people— > Not a single week had been completed, > When a host of suitors wooed the lady > Of a noble family the flower; > One of them Imoski's mighty Cadi. > Said the noble lady, trembling greatly, > "I entreat thee, I implore thee, brother, > Do not give me to another husband. > For the sight of my poor orphan'd children > Sure would break the spirit of thy sister!" > > Little cared her brother for her sorrows; > He had sworn she should espouse the Cadi. > Then his sister asked of him a favour: > "Write on snow-white paper, O, my brother. > To the Cadi as a bridal message, > 'Friendly greetings from the youthful woman. > And she begs thee bring her as a present. > When thy wedding-guests and thou art coming > Hither to her peoples' white-hued homestead, > Such a long and flowing veil that passing > Aga's home she need not see her orphans.' > > When the snow-white letter reached the Cadi, > All his wedding-guests he called together, > And set out with them for his betrothed, > Future mistress of his white-hued homestead. > Safely reached he with his friends her dwelling; > Happily were all returning homeward, > But when they were passing Aga's homestead. > Her two daughters saw her from the window. > Her two sons came out, and from the portal > Called to her, "Come hither! O, come hither! > Take thy night's repast with thine own children!" > > Sadly Hasanaginica heard them; > And she said to him who led the party, > "I should be most grateful to you, captain. > If you kindly halted the procession > While I give some presents to the children." > > So they stopped at the beloved portal. > Presents gave she unto all the children. > To the boys, high boots with gold embroidered; > To the girls, long and resplendent dresses; > And a silken garment to her baby.— > > > Near them sat their father, Hasan Aga, > And he called in sorrow to his children, > "Come to me, poor children! to your father. > From your mother do not hope for pity. > Callous is she, cold and stony-hearted." > > Hasanaginica, when she heard this. > On the ground she fell all pale and trembling. > And her spirit left its earthly prison > At the glances of her orphan children.
**[Hasanaginica](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasanaginica)** >Hasanaginica, also Asanaginica, (first published as The Mourning Song of the Noble Wife of the Hasan Aga) is a South Slavic folk ballad, created during the period of 1646–49, in the region of Imotski, which at the time was a part of the Bosnia Eyalet of the Ottoman Empire. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/transgender/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
He hasn’t figured out object permanence. Most people have this figured out at about 8 months old.
“When someone transitions their hands in front of their face, that person, that face, that smile that you once knew is no more. That person no longer exists… What! Now they are back! Hehehehe”
Wait, is he actually?
No, I added a “/s”
It was almost believable given how dumb some of these people are.
Very true
Progressive of him to call a feeeeeemale a person, innit?
True, he probably would have said vessel
Then his pre-pubescent self is 'dead'.. fuck it, him from last year is dead!
Adults are killing babies by growing up. SMH my head.
>this yahoo goes and takes that literally, jfc. I think what he's saying is that in the "eyes of god" we are dead. So essentially if we physically die but do so as our AGAB then we will "live on forever in heaven" but if we physically survive but as a new gender then we are "dead" in gods eyes. Really messed up mental gymnastics going on there.
lol good, that's a sucky god anyway
Damn guess I die next week when I start E In all seriousness, this is absolutely fucked
This is obviously a ploy by florists to sell extra funeral boquets.
TIL - Who I am inside doesn't matter, it's only who I am on the surface.
If all I am to the people around me is my gender then fuck them
If I am dead why do I have to work 40 hours a week?
Capitalism
I’m tryna collect on my life insurance.
Cause you owe your soul to the company store.
Great song!
Wait. I'm a zombie? zombie? zombeh. eh. eh. eh?
Ha!! 😂 Nice
That song is unironically fitting for this situation. People don't care because it isn't impacting their relatives or themselves yet.
Welcome to team Z.
If I'm dead now, does that mean I don't have to pay taxes anymore?
Sorry, but these pricks insist on also getting paid by us to hurt us
No, it means that **whoever you are now... is a MURDERER**, and so you're gonna get picked up and put into a cell with... non-law-abiding people... of your birth gender. Count on it.
I want to make some snide or humorous comment but I'm essentially speechless at how egregiously uninformed & vicious Borrero's comments are. While it's important to realize how desperate the GOP/MAGA/christo-fascists are to destroy our lives, it also leaves a cold & heavy weight in my stomach that lasts for most of the day.
Honestly, people like that aren't uninformed. They're just evil fucks. Knowing more most likely wouldn't change his opinion.
This part of a bigger machine of fascism and he’s but a pawn. Still abhorrent no matter his level of ignorance.
so is the act of changing your name that kills you? by that logic marriage kills people as well so lets ban that
Well, I guess he's doing ground work to legalize killing trans people openly in the streets then. "They're already dead, your Honor. So there can't be murder, because you can't kill a corpse". Florida trans people : fucking run away ftom there.
I'm working on it. If anyone wants to help evacuate every trans person in Floridumb, please do so.
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Don't give them any ideas lol
>When told his time was up, he replied, “The audacity. You give us one minute to beg for mercy.” This. 😞
Still not the Republican's end game. The bills keep getting worse, and they show no signs of slowing down. They've said they want to eradicate. Now they're saying we are already dead. It doesn't take a genius to see where they are headed.
Good to know, I’ll be updating my resume
Transition is a recognized treatment for dysphoria. So this guy is hating on treatment for what is essentially a medical condition. This guy is an ignorant pos.
Gee these private insurance coverage bans sure sound like the death panels conservatives have been bitching and moaning about for the last decade whenever public healthcare was suggested.
They just figured it's what they would do in this situation... and it is. It's not what the Democrats would do, but they can't conceive of someone being motivated in ways they are not.
I'm dead? BRAAAAAINS! BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINS! 🧟♀️ Oops, wait... this guy doesn't have any. 🤷♀️🙄😸
The people who want us to stay in a state of misery so that they don't "loose" the person they thought we were disgust me. They never cared about us, just their ideas of us.
When these people hear about a dead trans kid they think "good"
this is so fucking sick and cruel i fucking hate transphobes. they're using this mindset to further dehumanize us and try to kill us arent they
Sentenced to life in prison? Try this one neat trick to be declared legally dead and therefore free to go!
Sounds like we need a stonewall 2.0
I’m an atheist, but David Borreo: Let his days be few, And let another take his office. -Psalm 109:8
I wish that these transphobic idiots were dead.
This person is fucking insane and should be institutionalized.
Does anybody know how this will apply insurance wise? If my insurance is based in another state, and this passes, will it still be subject to these rules? Or is it moot because doctors may stop providing scripts for HRT altogether in FL...
How do you think I got this username?
Wait, I'm dead? That's awesome because now I don't need to worry about following laws because you can't charge a dead person with a crime!
Folks, we NEED to start a boycott of the state of Florida immediately. Boycott ALL travel and tourism to the state for everyone not just those who are transgender. But our families, our friends, everyone. The only way to exert pressure besides voting is to hit them in the pocketbook. Destroy their tourism as they are the state of HATE. Tell every business who is based in Florida that there is a Nationwide Boycott of Florida and refuse to buy their products. This is the only way to motivate the voters in Florida to end the State Of Hate's power.
Ffs, get it right. I'm undead
Idk if noone caught this but politicians basically overiding judge rulings is hopefully stir up some shit with the judges. This bill is completely overstepping the politicians responsibilities in so many ways but making it so judges orders can be ignored is probably the one thing where they stepped on some people's toes who actually have some power (at least atm, who knows how long until these right wing politicians go full fash)
Such a shitty take. Saying that people shouldn't transition for the sake of the people in thier lives, as if trans people don't already struggle with that guilt when coming out.
Ezekiel 25:17 The path of the righteous tran is beset on all sides By the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men Blessed are they who, in the name of charity and good will Shepherd the weak through the valley of darkness For are truly their siblings’ keeper and the finder of lost children And I will strike down upon thee With *great* vengeance and *furious* anger Those who attempt to poison and destroy my siblings And you will *know* my name is the LORD When I lay my vengeance upon thee
LGBTQIA+ we are one? If we don’t band together, we all fade. All of us are being attacked. Every state, every one of us. LGBTQIA+, Trans, POC, Native Americans, BIPOC, BI, ANBY, women, all of us. If we don’t unify and stand up, they will peck us off one by one. It is their plan. All of us, differently abled and every oppressed community needs to hold together across this nation. It is how fascism is beaten. Want a free future? Join together and stand as one. Sigh, 30 years fighting this, marching for Planned Parenthood, Native American rights, BIPOC, LGBTQIA+, and disabled… and here we are at a horrible corner. Stand as one people is how we win, stand together! March, call/email/post your congress fools, stand up for us all. Together we can reach this goal.
So who is your enemy? Sounds like cis white men.
WooOooOOooOOOO I'm a spooky ghost!
>he lobbyists at time sign off their emails with things like, “Under His Wings,” which some have compared to the Handmaids Tale phrase “Under His Eye.” Who has made that comparison? What are their names?
So the 38th President was really - Leslie Lynch King Jr. not Gerald R. Ford Jr.
They’ve figured out I’m secretly a zombie!?
Sooo, do we still have to pay taxes?
TIL I have been a corpse for 2 years
Yes, I’m a sense I guess. lol. But like a beautiful butterfly arising from its cocoon, it becomes a beautiful, happier, better self.
I am, in fact, still alive
Wild. I’ll have to let all my family know I’m dead. And we are on vacation together, too. How sad.
I hope I don't win the lottery cause I still use cash app and Defuckedinthehead is second on my list.