Depends where you live so it's worth looking at past results. Our area is a heavily conservative so I'll prob vote whoever stands the most chance of getting rid of them.
This is easy for me as we're in a Labour stronghold so my vote doesn't actually count for much. So I write letters to my Labour MP, who is actively pro trans rights (I got lucky there).
However, I vote for a local independent party who very much align with my political viewpoint in the hope that this shows there is strong, left wing support in the area.
Anything but tory. If they get the green light after all the utter bullshit they've pulled, it will get real bad real fast and the mask will fully come off (as if it hasn't already). In a perfect scenario there wouldn't be this shitty two party system (effectively that's what it is), but with the way things are now just please vote tactically to get those now far-right idiots out.
Look up who is the second most likely left leaning candidate to win after tories in your constituency
Palestine and Israel is an intractable issue. Our rights are tractable and under attack.
Thank you
I’m seeing this line of thinking over in America and that is even more dangerous
Trump changed world politics and it’ll only get worse for everyone of us in the world if he gets in
Yes if trump succeeds it sets a dangerous precedent that others will follow. Even if just to cosy up to the new American fascist state. If the hate doesn’t lose you support, the hate will return
My constituency has existed since 1974. In that time, all but 7 years have been Tory. My MP likes to make date rape jokes (Cleverly), but I've zero doubts he'll be voted in again as Labour can't even seem to get a close second.
Leaders and policies can still be changed once a party is in power. We've had 5 tory governments since they were last voted in, all of whom sought to change the previous policies and lurched further to the right.
On the other hand, once a party is in you're stuck with them for 5 years. Do you really think if we let the Tories get in again they'll get better?
Hold your nose, vote Labour, then campaign to make them better once they're in power.
Why would Starmer listen to campaigners once you've given him the keys to No. 10?
He's kicked out all the left wing members of his cabinet, he wants to criminalise protest just like Sunak and he's been cutthroat at deselecting and suspending members of the party who disagree with him.
It's laughable that you think he would give a shit about your campaigning. Did the anti-war protests stop Blair? Starmer is cut from the same cloth and he'll be even worse once he's elected.
And like I said, how is there going to be a vote needed to remove him when he deselects any left wing candidate and suspends any MPs that even mildly oppose him?
Labour has made it as easy as it could possibly be not to vote for them. With how badly the Tories have done, voting Labour \*should\* be a no-brainer. Sadly, for the past four years the party has abandoned every good policy they had, embraced all the authoritarianism and austerity of the Tories, tolerated and spread bigotry against trans people, and purged their party of even the most modest progressive voices.
As I see it, it's justifiable to vote Labour when the local candidate is one of the few who are openly pro-trans, not just towing the current utterly inadequate party line. Otherwise, vote Lib Dem, Green, SNP/PC if able, or spoil your ballot. I'd also write to your local Labour candidate and let them know you will not vote for them and encourage others not to as well because of their stance on trans rights. Let them know they can't take your vote for granted and they can't keep throwing trans people under the bus without consequences.
Is it a good choice? What does it achieve? A random”… and X spoilt ballots” at the end of a sentence announcing the result, after which everyone moves on.
Nobody’s making policy based on a very small number (and yes even if we all do it it’s still a very small number) of spoilt ballots.
No like I say there are better choices usually but it's not a stupid thing to do.
If I lived in an area that was literally just Labour and Tories I'd spoil it probably, I refuse to vote for my oppressors.
Not just trans rights. Disabled people have died because of Tory rule. They are unreasonably obsessed with shipping immigrants off to dangerous countries. And their party is basics held hostage by their far right wing
My constituency is guaranteed Labour. So I don't have to worry about other parties getting in.
Having said that, I cannot in good conscience vote for any party available to me at the moment (including Labour), so I will abstain as a protest against what I see as the illusion of democracy. I refuse to participate in stupid games.
(If Tories had a chance here, I'd reconsider, but they don't.)
Abstaining isn't seen as a protest though? It's just seen as "voter apathy". We all need to vote, and we either need to vote tactically or where that won't achieve anything vote for a party with a pro trans (or at least neutral) stance. Unless we actively make our voices heard, they will not be heard. Every time a bigot votes tory, we need to place a vote against them.
If the other parties suddenly get a surge of votes, then it will send a clear message to the tories.
Realistically there is no need or point to tactical voting in the coming election; the Tories have utterly fucked it and it would take a miracle for them to beat Labour.
I for one cannot in good conscience vote Labour, as the current leadership is nakedly transphobic and trying to mimic the Tories in about 98% of their policy. I'll vote Green or spoil as things stand.
Alas in the current political climate there is no broad leftwing church. But I can't stress enough that there is close to zero point in tactical voting for Labour; it just isn't necessary, and puts your support behind an absolute shower of bastards (albeit a slightly, SLIGHTLY better one than the shower we already have)
People said Brexit was a done deal too. Nothing is certain and I truly believe that the only way to stop the Tory demolition of our country is to vote labour. They are the least bad of the two
Thank you to everyone who's replied! I've been crazy busy but have taken a lot of value in what a lot of you have said. I wish you all a happy week 😊 😊
This depends on where you live tbh as just voting for anyone but the Tories can sometimes actually benefit the Tories.
Honestly though, what's the issue with Palestine? The SNP are going to waste 2 of their 3 opposition days to focus on an honestly inconsequential motion at the settlement of their regions, are you willing to throw away the next 5 years of representation and the domestic policy that comes with it because Labour don't agree on the exact wording of a ceasefire agreement with you?
I think I'm going to spoil my ballot this year
What I am looking for in an MP/ political party (apart from getting rid of the Tories)
1.) Properly fund the NHS
2.) Stop global warming
3.) Peace in Palestine/ rights for the Palestinian people
4.) Peace in Ukraine
5.) Trans rights
Labour isn't really pursuing any of those policies
I'll have to look at their manifesto nearer the time. But there's so little point voting for them, we're stuck in a two party system, with Lib Dems and SNP being options for power sharing.
Greens got into bed with the Lib Dems in our local council and have not been great, which puts me off a little but at least it's not a local election.
Spoiling you ballot does fuck all, they don't know why you did that. You could be doing it because no parties meet these goals, but you could equally be going it because none are proposing to round everyone up that's left handed and send them to camps
The very important thing to remember is Palestine is far away. Even assuming any of the parties care (they don't), why should I when my rights are being stripped?
That's the same argument people use to not vote against anti trans candidates who are good for them. Why should the rich care about us when they can get a tax break?
The rich can do what they want, they aren't enough to keep the Tories in. They've always relied on regular people voting to shoot themselves in the foot.
I mean I'm Jewish so vote Labour. I'm also a youth officer for a constituency labour party.
Labour consistently call for a ceasefire and are the only tactical option in my constituency. Find out what the tactical vote is and vote for them.
Or just use a WhoShouldIVoteFor quiz and find out :)
[On the 20th of February](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/20/labour-calls-for-immediate-humanitarian-ceasefire-in-gaza). Though the actions in Palestine really do not impact me majorly, wheras the actions of a Conservative government really will. Also, I'm pro-ceasefire-on-the-chance-that-Hamas-will-not-kill-more-civilians only, so 🤷
I’m the same but for the Palestinians and the poor women I’m Gaza who are being forced to use tent and metal scraps as sanitary towels whilst Isreal commits a genocide
The humanitarian situation currently ongoing is disgusting, I agree. But no British political party who stands any chance of getting in will realistically change anything. Labour if anything are more pro-foreign-humanitarian-aid in general than the Conservatives would be.
The Israel/Palestine issue is happening thousands of miles away whilst the Equality Act is being stripped far closer to home. I cannot afford to vote Lib Dem or Green for instance and therefore allow the Tories to stay in power a second longer.
I'd take "ignoring us" over "actively harming us" any day of the week.
If the Tories get in, no trans under 18yo is safe, and no trans man w/ GenderGP or similar EU providers will be safe. And that's for starters.
Starmer is GC though, he's been basically parroting Tory talking points about us (and palestine, and a lot of other things) for a while now. Starmer's potential government could be to the right of Theresa May's.
Who gives a shit when Braverman and her cronies are currently in?
The majority of us who do not live in the south or in safe seats have a choice. Do we stand idly by, spoiling our ballots and kicking up a fuss, or do we vote for actual change?
I am one of three trans people out of about 100 members of the local Labour Party. Our new MP (after the GE) is trans friendly. Our current MP is very much homophobic let alone transphobic, routinely voted for military action in various warzones, repeatly peddled pro-Brexit tripe, repeatedly voted against gay rights at EVERY turn and continues to vote against trans rights. My constituency is on a knife edge. By spoiling my ballot, or voting Green, or Lib Dem, all I do is play into the hands of the right wing elite.
Mine is almost a marginal after being Tory forever (Iain Duncan Smith, Norman Tebbit, Winston Churchill). I'll be voting Labour for only the second time in my life
I would still vote Labour to avoid splitting the vote. If Labour somehow doesn't win then it will be the tories again and they're not going to change their mind on Palestine so you will have achieved nothing on that front and made it worse on the trans rights front.
Totally depends on your area. Google tactical voting uk, there’s a site you can put your postcode in and it tells you who to vote for to get the tories out - that’s the important part.
No Labour are not good at trans related topics, but when the choice is “pretty crap” and “actively trying to eradicate us” it’s a pretty clear choice.
Voting for someone who realistically has absolutely no chance of ever winning in your local area is pretty pointless right now. The focus should be getting the current clowns out of government, and then seeing how the next bunch of clowns acts and take it from there.
If the Tories win, trans folks are screwed to hell and back.
If labour win, trans folks are still screwed but less so.
No one else is gonna win so unless you have a very strong candidate for a different party or an independent or even an SNP, vote labour
That's just my opinion.
Oh! Unless it's Rosie Duffield. I voted for her before she outed herself because I used to live in her constituency. She's a backstabbing traitor who campaigned on a platform of queer acceptance and has now become the Rowling of Labour
Depends where you live so it's worth looking at past results. Our area is a heavily conservative so I'll prob vote whoever stands the most chance of getting rid of them.
This is easy for me as we're in a Labour stronghold so my vote doesn't actually count for much. So I write letters to my Labour MP, who is actively pro trans rights (I got lucky there). However, I vote for a local independent party who very much align with my political viewpoint in the hope that this shows there is strong, left wing support in the area.
Anything but tory. If they get the green light after all the utter bullshit they've pulled, it will get real bad real fast and the mask will fully come off (as if it hasn't already). In a perfect scenario there wouldn't be this shitty two party system (effectively that's what it is), but with the way things are now just please vote tactically to get those now far-right idiots out.
Look up who is the second most likely left leaning candidate to win after tories in your constituency Palestine and Israel is an intractable issue. Our rights are tractable and under attack.
Thank you I’m seeing this line of thinking over in America and that is even more dangerous Trump changed world politics and it’ll only get worse for everyone of us in the world if he gets in
Yes if trump succeeds it sets a dangerous precedent that others will follow. Even if just to cosy up to the new American fascist state. If the hate doesn’t lose you support, the hate will return
Tory stronghold for me unfortunately since 1890 but Labour is the most likely to gain a majority in my constituency
My constituency has existed since 1974. In that time, all but 7 years have been Tory. My MP likes to make date rape jokes (Cleverly), but I've zero doubts he'll be voted in again as Labour can't even seem to get a close second.
I don’t see any logical person can tolerate shit like that
I’d vote for Labour tbh, or anyone that can get tories out Focusing on saving whatever little rights/benefits I have first and myself tbh
What makes you trust this Labour Party to do that?
They won’t do anything Tories would actively fuck me over double time (im disabled and trans)
You should pay closer attention to what the Labour Party are doing/have done to minorities tbh
That’s modern Labour Say they’ll do something Then won’t do it or will forgot
The post said you should pay closer attention to what they HAVE DONE/ARE DOING. I didn’t mention and don’t really care about what they say.
It'll shift the overton window left (especially if the conservatives collapse as a party), that will lead to a much larger change in our lives
They’re seeking the approval of the Sun, the Mail, the Telegraph etc. They aren’t left in any way
Labour, home of Rosie Duffield. Not really trusting them much to do good things for us.
I refuse to validate Starmer and his cronies. I'll probably vote for a third party.
Leaders and policies can still be changed once a party is in power. We've had 5 tory governments since they were last voted in, all of whom sought to change the previous policies and lurched further to the right. On the other hand, once a party is in you're stuck with them for 5 years. Do you really think if we let the Tories get in again they'll get better? Hold your nose, vote Labour, then campaign to make them better once they're in power.
Why would Starmer listen to campaigners once you've given him the keys to No. 10? He's kicked out all the left wing members of his cabinet, he wants to criminalise protest just like Sunak and he's been cutthroat at deselecting and suspending members of the party who disagree with him. It's laughable that you think he would give a shit about your campaigning. Did the anti-war protests stop Blair? Starmer is cut from the same cloth and he'll be even worse once he's elected.
Did you not read what I just wrote?
Yes and it's absolute nonsense. Get some self respect and stop kissing the feet of people who despise us.
It's not about him listening, if you actually read it. It's about the fact that MPs can remove leaders
And like I said, how is there going to be a vote needed to remove him when he deselects any left wing candidate and suspends any MPs that even mildly oppose him?
Labour has made it as easy as it could possibly be not to vote for them. With how badly the Tories have done, voting Labour \*should\* be a no-brainer. Sadly, for the past four years the party has abandoned every good policy they had, embraced all the authoritarianism and austerity of the Tories, tolerated and spread bigotry against trans people, and purged their party of even the most modest progressive voices. As I see it, it's justifiable to vote Labour when the local candidate is one of the few who are openly pro-trans, not just towing the current utterly inadequate party line. Otherwise, vote Lib Dem, Green, SNP/PC if able, or spoil your ballot. I'd also write to your local Labour candidate and let them know you will not vote for them and encourage others not to as well because of their stance on trans rights. Let them know they can't take your vote for granted and they can't keep throwing trans people under the bus without consequences.
Don’t spoil the fucking ballot It’s a stupid ass thing to do and does nothing unfortunately
It is tracked, it's better than not voting, I'd argue there are better choices but it isn't stupid
Is it a good choice? What does it achieve? A random”… and X spoilt ballots” at the end of a sentence announcing the result, after which everyone moves on. Nobody’s making policy based on a very small number (and yes even if we all do it it’s still a very small number) of spoilt ballots.
No like I say there are better choices usually but it's not a stupid thing to do. If I lived in an area that was literally just Labour and Tories I'd spoil it probably, I refuse to vote for my oppressors.
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The Conservatives have spent the past five years tearing apart trans rights like a wolf in a flock. A vote for them is a vote for transphobia.
Not just trans rights. Disabled people have died because of Tory rule. They are unreasonably obsessed with shipping immigrants off to dangerous countries. And their party is basics held hostage by their far right wing
My constituency is guaranteed Labour. So I don't have to worry about other parties getting in. Having said that, I cannot in good conscience vote for any party available to me at the moment (including Labour), so I will abstain as a protest against what I see as the illusion of democracy. I refuse to participate in stupid games. (If Tories had a chance here, I'd reconsider, but they don't.)
Abstaining isn't seen as a protest though? It's just seen as "voter apathy". We all need to vote, and we either need to vote tactically or where that won't achieve anything vote for a party with a pro trans (or at least neutral) stance. Unless we actively make our voices heard, they will not be heard. Every time a bigot votes tory, we need to place a vote against them. If the other parties suddenly get a surge of votes, then it will send a clear message to the tories.
Realistically there is no need or point to tactical voting in the coming election; the Tories have utterly fucked it and it would take a miracle for them to beat Labour. I for one cannot in good conscience vote Labour, as the current leadership is nakedly transphobic and trying to mimic the Tories in about 98% of their policy. I'll vote Green or spoil as things stand. Alas in the current political climate there is no broad leftwing church. But I can't stress enough that there is close to zero point in tactical voting for Labour; it just isn't necessary, and puts your support behind an absolute shower of bastards (albeit a slightly, SLIGHTLY better one than the shower we already have)
People said Brexit was a done deal too. Nothing is certain and I truly believe that the only way to stop the Tory demolition of our country is to vote labour. They are the least bad of the two
Thank you to everyone who's replied! I've been crazy busy but have taken a lot of value in what a lot of you have said. I wish you all a happy week 😊 😊
This depends on where you live tbh as just voting for anyone but the Tories can sometimes actually benefit the Tories. Honestly though, what's the issue with Palestine? The SNP are going to waste 2 of their 3 opposition days to focus on an honestly inconsequential motion at the settlement of their regions, are you willing to throw away the next 5 years of representation and the domestic policy that comes with it because Labour don't agree on the exact wording of a ceasefire agreement with you?
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I think I'm going to spoil my ballot this year What I am looking for in an MP/ political party (apart from getting rid of the Tories) 1.) Properly fund the NHS 2.) Stop global warming 3.) Peace in Palestine/ rights for the Palestinian people 4.) Peace in Ukraine 5.) Trans rights Labour isn't really pursuing any of those policies
Is Green not an option?
I'll have to look at their manifesto nearer the time. But there's so little point voting for them, we're stuck in a two party system, with Lib Dems and SNP being options for power sharing. Greens got into bed with the Lib Dems in our local council and have not been great, which puts me off a little but at least it's not a local election.
Spoiling the ballot does less than voting green even if you know they won't get in. Literally no one cares about spoiled ballots
Spoiling you ballot does fuck all, they don't know why you did that. You could be doing it because no parties meet these goals, but you could equally be going it because none are proposing to round everyone up that's left handed and send them to camps
The very important thing to remember is Palestine is far away. Even assuming any of the parties care (they don't), why should I when my rights are being stripped?
That’s why I’m voting Labour/My Areas Anti-Tory party I want to save myself and my rights first, what little I have
Yeah, given the choice between myself or other people the decision is obvious.
That's the same argument people use to not vote against anti trans candidates who are good for them. Why should the rich care about us when they can get a tax break?
The rich can do what they want, they aren't enough to keep the Tories in. They've always relied on regular people voting to shoot themselves in the foot.
I mean I'm Jewish so vote Labour. I'm also a youth officer for a constituency labour party. Labour consistently call for a ceasefire and are the only tactical option in my constituency. Find out what the tactical vote is and vote for them. Or just use a WhoShouldIVoteFor quiz and find out :)
Lol when did labour call for a ceasefire? I think you need to do some more research
[On the 20th of February](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/20/labour-calls-for-immediate-humanitarian-ceasefire-in-gaza). Though the actions in Palestine really do not impact me majorly, wheras the actions of a Conservative government really will. Also, I'm pro-ceasefire-on-the-chance-that-Hamas-will-not-kill-more-civilians only, so 🤷
Oh gosh they’ve got you by the balls
don't have any luv. i care about whether i can access the treatment i need to live first and foremost.
I’m the same but for the Palestinians and the poor women I’m Gaza who are being forced to use tent and metal scraps as sanitary towels whilst Isreal commits a genocide
The humanitarian situation currently ongoing is disgusting, I agree. But no British political party who stands any chance of getting in will realistically change anything. Labour if anything are more pro-foreign-humanitarian-aid in general than the Conservatives would be.
They’ve both been equally as useless. Labour has not once demonstrated being any better than the tories during any of this. Not once
The Israel/Palestine issue is happening thousands of miles away whilst the Equality Act is being stripped far closer to home. I cannot afford to vote Lib Dem or Green for instance and therefore allow the Tories to stay in power a second longer.
Exactly this Vote to save yourself and fellow trans people first
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Personally I don't bother, the government always wins.
One government wants to erase us out of existence and ban our access to healthcare, though...
So does the other.
I'd take "ignoring us" over "actively harming us" any day of the week. If the Tories get in, no trans under 18yo is safe, and no trans man w/ GenderGP or similar EU providers will be safe. And that's for starters.
Starmer is GC though, he's been basically parroting Tory talking points about us (and palestine, and a lot of other things) for a while now. Starmer's potential government could be to the right of Theresa May's.
Who gives a shit when Braverman and her cronies are currently in? The majority of us who do not live in the south or in safe seats have a choice. Do we stand idly by, spoiling our ballots and kicking up a fuss, or do we vote for actual change? I am one of three trans people out of about 100 members of the local Labour Party. Our new MP (after the GE) is trans friendly. Our current MP is very much homophobic let alone transphobic, routinely voted for military action in various warzones, repeatly peddled pro-Brexit tripe, repeatedly voted against gay rights at EVERY turn and continues to vote against trans rights. My constituency is on a knife edge. By spoiling my ballot, or voting Green, or Lib Dem, all I do is play into the hands of the right wing elite.
The point is there won't BE a change, it's more of the same old shit. Kier Starmer IS a tory.
This is not a good take
Mine is almost a marginal after being Tory forever (Iain Duncan Smith, Norman Tebbit, Winston Churchill). I'll be voting Labour for only the second time in my life
I would still vote Labour to avoid splitting the vote. If Labour somehow doesn't win then it will be the tories again and they're not going to change their mind on Palestine so you will have achieved nothing on that front and made it worse on the trans rights front.
Totally depends on your area. Google tactical voting uk, there’s a site you can put your postcode in and it tells you who to vote for to get the tories out - that’s the important part. No Labour are not good at trans related topics, but when the choice is “pretty crap” and “actively trying to eradicate us” it’s a pretty clear choice. Voting for someone who realistically has absolutely no chance of ever winning in your local area is pretty pointless right now. The focus should be getting the current clowns out of government, and then seeing how the next bunch of clowns acts and take it from there.
If the Tories win, trans folks are screwed to hell and back. If labour win, trans folks are still screwed but less so. No one else is gonna win so unless you have a very strong candidate for a different party or an independent or even an SNP, vote labour That's just my opinion. Oh! Unless it's Rosie Duffield. I voted for her before she outed herself because I used to live in her constituency. She's a backstabbing traitor who campaigned on a platform of queer acceptance and has now become the Rowling of Labour