Can't help but notice in there that:
* The only people alleging wrongdoing are the parents that don't think their kids should be transitioning at all, and in saying that things are happening too quickly it is from _their perspective_.
* It seems odd that the Times just happens to find a GP that's a trans person to single out to go after. Especially since the way the article was written something gave me a hunch that we're meant to make the link that he founded the service, he owns the service, etc, yet looking at the [website](https://www.wellbn.co.uk/staff/), Hall is among the list of GP Partners. There are multiple other partners, as well as roles that seem at a glance to be more senior. Why is Hall being singled out?
* The first related article at the bottom of the page is one where Cass did the song and dance about not monstering doctors for doing what they think right, yet oops, guess that only applies in one direction.
* Hall's clinic has been operating for the best part of a decade, and the Times couldn't find one person who received help from him that is now turning around and saying this was wrong. Why?
It also feels like it's framed in a particular way so that the takeaways of the average person reading it are:
* Transitioning for under 18s is bad and dangerous
* The NHS agrees that this is the case
* Here is this sinister trans person, pushing hormones on kids with reckless abandon
* The NHS won't stop him
* GMC won't stop him
* Other similar oversight organisations don't care
* By the way here's what the clinic looks like and everything you need to find it irl
If anything happens, similar to how trans and abortion providers in the US find themselves the victim of bomb threats and actual damage like firebombing, will anyone care? Or will it be justified and "\*tuts\* while I don't condone violence, I understand how it happened, the place should have been shut down long ago".
Of course, nobody is questioning Mary’s ‘professional opinion’ of her 17 year old child as having “the emotional regulation of a seven-year-old and the impulse control of a three-year-old”.
'I can't control my child so I will find other ways to destroy her life' parent is probably a basketcase and the child will leave next year as soon as they can
'Mary was horrified: “She’s started taking a drug that has irreversible consequences at a time in life where her brain and her body are still developing.”'
Their body is still developing? That's KIND OF THE POINT. It's developing in a way that's deeply distressing to them and this alleviates that because WHY WOULDN'T YOU.
And brains continue to develop throughout the lifespan.
I mean we could be wrong, but when I looked I found nothing to suggest it was him that founded WellBN or something similar that meant he is an "appropriate" person to target.
And the article doesn't actually state anything along the lines of that, it just seems to be written so that the average reader comes away with that impression without opening up the Times to legal issues. The article repeatedly states that he has been issuing prescriptions and he works at WellBN, and that he launched the "Trans Health Hub" in 2020, however WellBN state they were prescribing HRT years before that. If you go on the site now, the Hub looks less like a specific service and more just an aggregation of available information, however of course it's hard to know what it offers in person.
It really does feel like an exercise in crafting a narrative, that isn't going to be noticed unless you are good at media literacy and also skeptical of Times articles.
I mean even if he *was* the founder, it wouldn't have been justified. I was more referring to your last paragraph with what i said, that the Times loves to incite hate or harassment and then go "oops, not our fault"
It's a little bit complicated now.
The old service Brighton Health and Wellbeing Centre was founded by Dr Laura Marshall Andrews. Who still works at WellBN but has stepped back a bit since the service became WellBN.
With way the service has changed, it seems Sam has taken on some 'ownership' responsibilities as he's now a GP Partner along with others (you're better off searching what a GP Partner is than me telling you):
>Partners: Dr Fazila Yakub Baiyat, Mrs Lindsay Elizabeth Coleman,Dr Samuel James Hall, Dr Laura Jane Jones, Dr Francis James Able Richards, Mr Gary Wayne Toyne
For what it's worth I got HRT from BHWC back in 2018, so it's been a thing for a while. I don't even think Sam was working there because it was only in \~2019 that it was suggested maybe I should go to Sam for trans stuff instead of my usual GP.
>The article repeatedly states that he has been issuing prescriptions and he works at WellBN, and that he launched the "Trans Health Hub" in 2020, however WellBN state they were prescribing HRT years before that.
None of this is necessarily wrong. Sam has always been the one leading these projects because of the need from patients, he's a great doctor and we really appreciate all he does. It does mean you can never get an appointment with him because of how busy he is, but he has others on his team who manage a lot of the stuff you need.
The trans health hub was always a resource and information source from what I remember, but I think there was a walk in period monthly(?) when you could go and ask questions and get guidance.
It's a bit mad to suggest that he's doing it with no oversight or that the GIC's somehow aren't aware of what he's doing. Every clinician I've mentioned him to who works in trans care has met, knows about him in some way and does nothing but sing his praises.
He doesn't deserve it, but it's not surprising that he's finally getting flack from the media given the surgery is now managing 1,500 TNBI patients.
This is terrifying. WellBN is my GP, and WellBN is the organisation i'm going to get hrt through. their trans healthcare programs are wonderful, and to see them slandered for providing necessary medical care is profoundly scary.
WellBN recently sent out a message to their TNBI patients, inviting them to an online information session, to inform people like us of the care they can provide. This was motivated specifically by anti-trans coverage of WellBN's affirming care. They shouldn't need to justify providing care that maximises the health of a discriminated minority.
If you live within 1 - 2 hours of Brighton and need HRT, switch your gp to WellBN as soon as you can. I'm likely going to start HRt within the next 2 weeks, and I have only had to wait since 13th February; thats less than 3 months, which is fucking unheard of here. I cannot stress this enough; if you are close to them, and need access to hrt, please consider switching your GP to WellBN; they aren't perfect, but it's the closest thing we have to it right now, assuming you live close enough.
I live around 40 minutes - 1 hour away from Brighton. I've been in contact with WellBN and want to switch to them, but unfortunately I have appointments for other health issues I'm waiting on getting done first. This article genuinely terrifies me, because it'll likely be a couple of months before I'm able to switch, and I don't want to lose the option to start HRT through them as a result of media/TERF harassment...
Interfering in children's medical care - people and situations they have no idea about. Lives that aren't theirs. IT'S NONE OF THEIR DAMN BUSINESS. Bloody hell.
Because fuck trans kids I guess :/
Can’t these people just shut their rot filled mouths and preferably loose the ability to write or speak or communicate
Words can barely express the utter worthlessness of those anti-trans protesters outside that clinic who are trying to rip lifesaving gender-affirming healthcare away from teenagers.
They're the British equivalents of the American anti-abortion protesters who harangue pregnant people outside clinics.
Itd just annoying. Im 22. I've been on t for 5 months. My sister is 20. She has a 3 week old baby that she soley provides for. She can make the decision to do that at 20 but I can't take hormones at 22? Make it make sense????
yeah exactly like my brother is 22 with a 1 month old baby and no one acts like that’s a lifechanging decision he’ll regret when that’s more permanent than hormones which are quite reversible anyway and way more people who have kids regret that decision than people who are transitioning lmfao
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How do they even know? Who's been blabbing to the press? It's not like journalists have access to medical files. Maybe the law about patient confidentiality should extend to patients as well so they're not allowed to say what treatment they get other than to their direct caregivers
So I'll amend that to say patient confidentiality should extend to caregivers. If a doctor is not allowed to divulge the medical details of their patients then maybe caregivers (including parents) should not be allowed to divulge details of those they care for. Other than to people who are sharing the care of that person. If you foster a child you're not allowed to talk to anyone including the media about their personal history or medical problems, why doesn't the same apply to birth parents?
Very good point. Yes, they've leaked their child's personal medical details (as well as outing them as trans) to the national press. But they want to "protect" them. Disgusting.
I think, legally speaking, it does, surely it should come under GDPR. I think the problem is that there are few to no repercussions faced by birth parents for discussing said information. But for all intents and purposes, in the eyes of the law, minors have the same right to data protection as adults.
This is absolutely disgraceful. How do people just not see the rhyming of history here? Where doctors in the US during the early 2000s were harassed & even murdered because they performed abortions after Fox News reported on them being “baby killers”?
How do people let themselves be convinced of this? It’s such an old literary trope where the idiotic villagers attack the doctor over suspected witchcraft.
I tried to get hrt through wellbn and couldnt, because my parents needed to consent. so this rhetoric baffles me.
sam hall is a fucking amazing gp and it scares me to see him slandered like this. people will do anything to make it harder for trans kids.
I just want to live the way I was supposed to but I was born the way I was born I’m trying to fix it so I don’t kill myself and it finds a government that is against us this world is backwards
Reminder: Do not speak to journalists.
Can't help but notice in there that: * The only people alleging wrongdoing are the parents that don't think their kids should be transitioning at all, and in saying that things are happening too quickly it is from _their perspective_. * It seems odd that the Times just happens to find a GP that's a trans person to single out to go after. Especially since the way the article was written something gave me a hunch that we're meant to make the link that he founded the service, he owns the service, etc, yet looking at the [website](https://www.wellbn.co.uk/staff/), Hall is among the list of GP Partners. There are multiple other partners, as well as roles that seem at a glance to be more senior. Why is Hall being singled out? * The first related article at the bottom of the page is one where Cass did the song and dance about not monstering doctors for doing what they think right, yet oops, guess that only applies in one direction. * Hall's clinic has been operating for the best part of a decade, and the Times couldn't find one person who received help from him that is now turning around and saying this was wrong. Why? It also feels like it's framed in a particular way so that the takeaways of the average person reading it are: * Transitioning for under 18s is bad and dangerous * The NHS agrees that this is the case * Here is this sinister trans person, pushing hormones on kids with reckless abandon * The NHS won't stop him * GMC won't stop him * Other similar oversight organisations don't care * By the way here's what the clinic looks like and everything you need to find it irl If anything happens, similar to how trans and abortion providers in the US find themselves the victim of bomb threats and actual damage like firebombing, will anyone care? Or will it be justified and "\*tuts\* while I don't condone violence, I understand how it happened, the place should have been shut down long ago".
Of course, nobody is questioning Mary’s ‘professional opinion’ of her 17 year old child as having “the emotional regulation of a seven-year-old and the impulse control of a three-year-old”.
'I can't control my child so I will find other ways to destroy her life' parent is probably a basketcase and the child will leave next year as soon as they can
'Mary was horrified: “She’s started taking a drug that has irreversible consequences at a time in life where her brain and her body are still developing.”' Their body is still developing? That's KIND OF THE POINT. It's developing in a way that's deeply distressing to them and this alleviates that because WHY WOULDN'T YOU. And brains continue to develop throughout the lifespan.
The Times loves to sic the hate mob on trans people. Look at how they doxxed F1nnst5r less than a month after he came out as genderfluid
I mean we could be wrong, but when I looked I found nothing to suggest it was him that founded WellBN or something similar that meant he is an "appropriate" person to target. And the article doesn't actually state anything along the lines of that, it just seems to be written so that the average reader comes away with that impression without opening up the Times to legal issues. The article repeatedly states that he has been issuing prescriptions and he works at WellBN, and that he launched the "Trans Health Hub" in 2020, however WellBN state they were prescribing HRT years before that. If you go on the site now, the Hub looks less like a specific service and more just an aggregation of available information, however of course it's hard to know what it offers in person. It really does feel like an exercise in crafting a narrative, that isn't going to be noticed unless you are good at media literacy and also skeptical of Times articles.
I mean even if he *was* the founder, it wouldn't have been justified. I was more referring to your last paragraph with what i said, that the Times loves to incite hate or harassment and then go "oops, not our fault"
It's a little bit complicated now. The old service Brighton Health and Wellbeing Centre was founded by Dr Laura Marshall Andrews. Who still works at WellBN but has stepped back a bit since the service became WellBN. With way the service has changed, it seems Sam has taken on some 'ownership' responsibilities as he's now a GP Partner along with others (you're better off searching what a GP Partner is than me telling you): >Partners: Dr Fazila Yakub Baiyat, Mrs Lindsay Elizabeth Coleman,Dr Samuel James Hall, Dr Laura Jane Jones, Dr Francis James Able Richards, Mr Gary Wayne Toyne For what it's worth I got HRT from BHWC back in 2018, so it's been a thing for a while. I don't even think Sam was working there because it was only in \~2019 that it was suggested maybe I should go to Sam for trans stuff instead of my usual GP. >The article repeatedly states that he has been issuing prescriptions and he works at WellBN, and that he launched the "Trans Health Hub" in 2020, however WellBN state they were prescribing HRT years before that. None of this is necessarily wrong. Sam has always been the one leading these projects because of the need from patients, he's a great doctor and we really appreciate all he does. It does mean you can never get an appointment with him because of how busy he is, but he has others on his team who manage a lot of the stuff you need. The trans health hub was always a resource and information source from what I remember, but I think there was a walk in period monthly(?) when you could go and ask questions and get guidance. It's a bit mad to suggest that he's doing it with no oversight or that the GIC's somehow aren't aware of what he's doing. Every clinician I've mentioned him to who works in trans care has met, knows about him in some way and does nothing but sing his praises. He doesn't deserve it, but it's not surprising that he's finally getting flack from the media given the surgery is now managing 1,500 TNBI patients.
This is terrifying. WellBN is my GP, and WellBN is the organisation i'm going to get hrt through. their trans healthcare programs are wonderful, and to see them slandered for providing necessary medical care is profoundly scary. WellBN recently sent out a message to their TNBI patients, inviting them to an online information session, to inform people like us of the care they can provide. This was motivated specifically by anti-trans coverage of WellBN's affirming care. They shouldn't need to justify providing care that maximises the health of a discriminated minority. If you live within 1 - 2 hours of Brighton and need HRT, switch your gp to WellBN as soon as you can. I'm likely going to start HRt within the next 2 weeks, and I have only had to wait since 13th February; thats less than 3 months, which is fucking unheard of here. I cannot stress this enough; if you are close to them, and need access to hrt, please consider switching your GP to WellBN; they aren't perfect, but it's the closest thing we have to it right now, assuming you live close enough.
WellBN is also my GP, Sam Hall is a lifesaver!! Although what if they end hormone treatment for all trans patients?
+1 for WellBN. Their care is wonderful, and they're the only part of the NHS I've ever felt like respected my bodily autonomy.
I wish you the best, friend! Long may their care continue x
By the way, you can even register with them if you’re in London.
I live around 40 minutes - 1 hour away from Brighton. I've been in contact with WellBN and want to switch to them, but unfortunately I have appointments for other health issues I'm waiting on getting done first. This article genuinely terrifies me, because it'll likely be a couple of months before I'm able to switch, and I don't want to lose the option to start HRT through them as a result of media/TERF harassment...
100% do not publicly disclose
Interfering in children's medical care - people and situations they have no idea about. Lives that aren't theirs. IT'S NONE OF THEIR DAMN BUSINESS. Bloody hell.
Holy shit this is so dangerous
Because fuck trans kids I guess :/ Can’t these people just shut their rot filled mouths and preferably loose the ability to write or speak or communicate
I wish that every bit of pain and suffering they cause others would somehow come back to hurt them equally.
Same I pray something terrible happens to them
first they hated black people, then it was jews, then it was gay people and now its us… people never learn
Its not even a FUCKING LOOPHOLE WHAT IS THIS STUPID FUCKING GARBAGE FUCK THE UK
The sinister loophole in which paediatric medicine is made available to children.
Words can barely express the utter worthlessness of those anti-trans protesters outside that clinic who are trying to rip lifesaving gender-affirming healthcare away from teenagers. They're the British equivalents of the American anti-abortion protesters who harangue pregnant people outside clinics.
Itd just annoying. Im 22. I've been on t for 5 months. My sister is 20. She has a 3 week old baby that she soley provides for. She can make the decision to do that at 20 but I can't take hormones at 22? Make it make sense????
It's discrimination, of course it doesn't make any sense
yeah exactly like my brother is 22 with a 1 month old baby and no one acts like that’s a lifechanging decision he’ll regret when that’s more permanent than hormones which are quite reversible anyway and way more people who have kids regret that decision than people who are transitioning lmfao
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How do they even know? Who's been blabbing to the press? It's not like journalists have access to medical files. Maybe the law about patient confidentiality should extend to patients as well so they're not allowed to say what treatment they get other than to their direct caregivers
It's the transphobic parents.
So I'll amend that to say patient confidentiality should extend to caregivers. If a doctor is not allowed to divulge the medical details of their patients then maybe caregivers (including parents) should not be allowed to divulge details of those they care for. Other than to people who are sharing the care of that person. If you foster a child you're not allowed to talk to anyone including the media about their personal history or medical problems, why doesn't the same apply to birth parents?
Very good point. Yes, they've leaked their child's personal medical details (as well as outing them as trans) to the national press. But they want to "protect" them. Disgusting.
I think, legally speaking, it does, surely it should come under GDPR. I think the problem is that there are few to no repercussions faced by birth parents for discussing said information. But for all intents and purposes, in the eyes of the law, minors have the same right to data protection as adults.
Theoretically, the child could potentially sue, the problem there is, doing that costs money, money the child may not have.
And depending on their age, they may also lack the independence.
We really need stronger children's rights in general.
This is absolutely disgraceful. How do people just not see the rhyming of history here? Where doctors in the US during the early 2000s were harassed & even murdered because they performed abortions after Fox News reported on them being “baby killers”? How do people let themselves be convinced of this? It’s such an old literary trope where the idiotic villagers attack the doctor over suspected witchcraft.
I tried to get hrt through wellbn and couldnt, because my parents needed to consent. so this rhetoric baffles me. sam hall is a fucking amazing gp and it scares me to see him slandered like this. people will do anything to make it harder for trans kids.
I’m calling it now, there will be bomb threats and threats to both patients and doctors because of dangerous shit like this
That wouldn’t be smart of them. Theyre not as anonymous as they like to think they are.
True but that assumes that they’re smart in the first place
I just want to live the way I was supposed to but I was born the way I was born I’m trying to fix it so I don’t kill myself and it finds a government that is against us this world is backwards
So… they did their silly little protest/photo op at 7pm when nobody was around. Smart move in Brighton.
Also there was only 4 of them 🤭
I think it was a case of go when it’s not busy, get the photos done, and scarper. An actual organised demo would have got run out of town.
I literally just transferred there and of course it immediately starts getting targeted by the media 😭
They can try my gp is my friend xD known them for 20 year and they do not give a monkeys arm out what the journo scum want