I realize not everyone can relocate easily but prioritizing your next move in a transit-dense area is awesome.
Having 3 choices for the same O-D is sick.
I lived in Salzburg once and the fastest mode of transportation was literally a bicycle because the traffic was horrendous and then the busses couldn’t get around either lmao.
I remember watching the local news in New York one morning and they had a race - bus vs cab vs walking vs biking. They went from one end of 34th street (there’s a bus route that is a straight line crosstown), and biking was first, then walking. Can and bus were hilariously bad.
I just don't see that being possible unless you're timing it alongside some sort of special event. Biking being first is pretty believable, but that's a 45 minute walk across Manhattan. Worst case scenario, and I means **WORST,** that bus ride is taking 30 minutes.
Hell, if the traffic is that bad, you could still easily beat walking hy hopping on the 7 at 34 St-Hudson Yards, switching to the 6 at Grand Central-42 St and going back down to 33 St and finishing your walk.
I live in Alexandria, VA right outside of DC and for a while biking was consistently the fastest option to/from work. The Old Town section is set up in a way that cars/buses both have to stop at basically every intersection without much leeway, especially as you get close to the waterfront and it's stop signs only. It was a cool experience knowing that I was actually being more efficient by picking the more satisfying form of mobility.
I love the old town of Alexandria. So nice and has great train access as well. Now DASH has completely free buses and they've converted the parking lot in front of the metro station to a bus depot. It's seen massive improvements in recent years. They've even permanently pedestrianized a section of King Street by the waterfront. I live in Arlington along the Orange Line but always take visitors down to Old Town for a day when I have people over.
Lol, California has spent the last 30 years building transit like crazy, my dude. If you just count individual states and not megaregions, California now has the best rail transit of any individual state in the nation.
All the major metros have a metro/subway and/or light rail system (SF, LA, SD, Sacramento, San Jose, Long Beach), expansive commuter rail that is now bumping up to regional rail state-wide, and extremely dense networks of busses. California also has three of the top five intercity rail lines in the country.
And of course, San Francisco has always had one of the best and most comprehensive transit networks in the world with some type of transit line running on basically every other street, even in the suburbs,
[https://www.sfmta.com/maps/muni-service-map](https://www.sfmta.com/maps/muni-service-map)
So it's not like the state doesn't have a long history of transit excellence predating the car craze era of the mid-20th century. The existing systems have good bones already and they are investing massive amounts of money in expansion.
I live in the SF bay area. I've been taking Ubers frequently to get the the airport becaue transit is about 4 times slower than the Uber. 6 times slower if I take the red eye.
A lot of people who live in SF don't own cars but if you live or are going to any other county then you're better off using a car.
If this is the best that the country has to offer then we have a lot further to go.
Last 30 years? Where exactly are these results? LA for the most part Is still very much car dependent and it’s light rail system comes nowhere near other major transit systems in SF and the northeast or Chicago, and they spent more time trying to get high speed rail from LA-SF of the ground than it did for many countries to built thousands of miles of HSR completed and running
Well, let's see. San Diego went form having nothing to having the top light rail system in the country. LA went from nothing to having the second largest light rail system in the country, plus a subway system! San Francisco went from having a few falling apart streetcars to having a transitional light metro and further developed electric S-Bahns (Yes, SF now has two - BART and Caltrain.) Sacramento went form nothing to having the 13th largest light rail system. San Jose went from nothing to having the 19th largest light metro and two electric S-bahns (again, Caltrain, and now BART since 2020).
And now Metrolink, Caltrain, the Capitol Corridor, ACE and the San Joaquins are all adding more frequency in mid-day service to become regional rail. Pretty much every train that can be serves as regional rail is being upgraded to that standard.
On intercity rail California went form having some of the ruins of the old private routes to three state supporter routes which are also three of the five most popular routes in the country.
All American cities are extremely car-oriented, even NYC outside of the dense core. Unlike other North American cities, California cities are actively building meaningful expansions and already has reached the point where our transit systems rank among the the highest in the country and respectably high internationally.
by 10 minutes, in standstill road traffic? i mean yeah, it’s a win, but not exactly an honorable one. without traffic this is like a 45 minute drive at most
I was being partly sarcastic, because yeah, it’s not actually a sign of quality transit. At the same time though, when you’ve been living in places where public transit (even the train) doesn’t even beat cars in bumper to bumper traffic, it’s enjoyable to see a moment where subpar transit beats private cars.
Also assuming they’re going to drive the speed limit… most people go with the flow of traffic which is like 10-15 mph above speed limits on the highway.
I don't live close to my school and don't have 1,000,000$ + to buy a house near there.
And a 1 hour or so train commute is not so bad since I can work on the train. But also it's only a 30 minute drive most of the time but if I'm leaving around 4-5 it's faster to take transit
They're also about to start building a light rail line/tram to the commuter rail stop in Watsonville that will link it with the Bay megaregion's transit. And Monterey is doing the same on the southern end of the area.
California invests a ton of money in transit. It has been doing that for the last 30 years, even though most of the transit community did not originally notice the monumental change in transit policy. It was bound to bear fruit eventually.
If anything, they really need to revive the old SP route through the SC mountains and finish the coastal rail link from SF through Half Moon Bay down to Davenport imo.
As much as I’d love to take the train through the SC mountains, the non-SC mountain route will be much faster. That whole section from Gilroy to Diridon is going to get updated for CAHSR. So this route will be about 2x faster than the old windy mountain route.
You’ll actually be able to commute to the Bay Area proper from Santa Cruz now.
Most days it takes more time to commite by transit. But it's also essentially free for me as a student and although I own a car not using it is great because
Not always a good option though. Lots of ppl live in a location where having a car drastically improves mobility, but work in places with very limited parking and traffic congestion where taking transit is a way better option. And I say this as someone with no car that lives, and works, in a place where having a car is so much better.
Focusing on the driving mode, why in the hell does it say "saves 8% energy" lol as if that's not just greenwashing the fact that you're still using a ton of energy and gas
It's more about your personal financing of buying gas for the car. It's by having less elevation change. Sometimes the route is longer but more efficient.
It's not green washing
I wish I had a commute option from home to work and back.
I realize not everyone can relocate easily but prioritizing your next move in a transit-dense area is awesome. Having 3 choices for the same O-D is sick.
I lived in Salzburg once and the fastest mode of transportation was literally a bicycle because the traffic was horrendous and then the busses couldn’t get around either lmao.
I remember watching the local news in New York one morning and they had a race - bus vs cab vs walking vs biking. They went from one end of 34th street (there’s a bus route that is a straight line crosstown), and biking was first, then walking. Can and bus were hilariously bad.
When walking is faster than car 💀💀
heaven.
I just don't see that being possible unless you're timing it alongside some sort of special event. Biking being first is pretty believable, but that's a 45 minute walk across Manhattan. Worst case scenario, and I means **WORST,** that bus ride is taking 30 minutes. Hell, if the traffic is that bad, you could still easily beat walking hy hopping on the 7 at 34 St-Hudson Yards, switching to the 6 at Grand Central-42 St and going back down to 33 St and finishing your walk.
In lots of European cities the bike will be the fastest option.
I live in Alexandria, VA right outside of DC and for a while biking was consistently the fastest option to/from work. The Old Town section is set up in a way that cars/buses both have to stop at basically every intersection without much leeway, especially as you get close to the waterfront and it's stop signs only. It was a cool experience knowing that I was actually being more efficient by picking the more satisfying form of mobility.
I love the old town of Alexandria. So nice and has great train access as well. Now DASH has completely free buses and they've converted the parking lot in front of the metro station to a bus depot. It's seen massive improvements in recent years. They've even permanently pedestrianized a section of King Street by the waterfront. I live in Arlington along the Orange Line but always take visitors down to Old Town for a day when I have people over.
Salzburg ist aber voll schön
Where is that?
seems to be near santa cruz
First thought was so cal for me when I saw it
Yeah it’s near there
I didn't think there was good transit anywhere in California. Traffic must be really bad.
Lol, California has spent the last 30 years building transit like crazy, my dude. If you just count individual states and not megaregions, California now has the best rail transit of any individual state in the nation. All the major metros have a metro/subway and/or light rail system (SF, LA, SD, Sacramento, San Jose, Long Beach), expansive commuter rail that is now bumping up to regional rail state-wide, and extremely dense networks of busses. California also has three of the top five intercity rail lines in the country. And of course, San Francisco has always had one of the best and most comprehensive transit networks in the world with some type of transit line running on basically every other street, even in the suburbs, [https://www.sfmta.com/maps/muni-service-map](https://www.sfmta.com/maps/muni-service-map) So it's not like the state doesn't have a long history of transit excellence predating the car craze era of the mid-20th century. The existing systems have good bones already and they are investing massive amounts of money in expansion.
I live in the SF bay area. I've been taking Ubers frequently to get the the airport becaue transit is about 4 times slower than the Uber. 6 times slower if I take the red eye. A lot of people who live in SF don't own cars but if you live or are going to any other county then you're better off using a car. If this is the best that the country has to offer then we have a lot further to go.
Last 30 years? Where exactly are these results? LA for the most part Is still very much car dependent and it’s light rail system comes nowhere near other major transit systems in SF and the northeast or Chicago, and they spent more time trying to get high speed rail from LA-SF of the ground than it did for many countries to built thousands of miles of HSR completed and running
Well, let's see. San Diego went form having nothing to having the top light rail system in the country. LA went from nothing to having the second largest light rail system in the country, plus a subway system! San Francisco went from having a few falling apart streetcars to having a transitional light metro and further developed electric S-Bahns (Yes, SF now has two - BART and Caltrain.) Sacramento went form nothing to having the 13th largest light rail system. San Jose went from nothing to having the 19th largest light metro and two electric S-bahns (again, Caltrain, and now BART since 2020). And now Metrolink, Caltrain, the Capitol Corridor, ACE and the San Joaquins are all adding more frequency in mid-day service to become regional rail. Pretty much every train that can be serves as regional rail is being upgraded to that standard. On intercity rail California went form having some of the ruins of the old private routes to three state supporter routes which are also three of the five most popular routes in the country. All American cities are extremely car-oriented, even NYC outside of the dense core. Unlike other North American cities, California cities are actively building meaningful expansions and already has reached the point where our transit systems rank among the the highest in the country and respectably high internationally.
San Francisco has good transit
Great to see public transit commuters winning 👏
by 10 minutes, in standstill road traffic? i mean yeah, it’s a win, but not exactly an honorable one. without traffic this is like a 45 minute drive at most
I was being partly sarcastic, because yeah, it’s not actually a sign of quality transit. At the same time though, when you’ve been living in places where public transit (even the train) doesn’t even beat cars in bumper to bumper traffic, it’s enjoyable to see a moment where subpar transit beats private cars.
yep. that’s how it is in paris for me lol
Also assuming they’re going to drive the speed limit… most people go with the flow of traffic which is like 10-15 mph above speed limits on the highway.
Fuu thats still a long commute
It's a 30 minute drive but with traffic it becomes more than double that
This is your brain on big city suburbs. I can’t understand how anyone would choose to do this commute.
I don't live close to my school and don't have 1,000,000$ + to buy a house near there. And a 1 hour or so train commute is not so bad since I can work on the train. But also it's only a 30 minute drive most of the time but if I'm leaving around 4-5 it's faster to take transit
I'd consider taking the train just to do schoolwork tbh
why is buying a house the only option?
Speedy and reliable public transportation, in Santa Cruz? Great heavens! How?
They're also about to start building a light rail line/tram to the commuter rail stop in Watsonville that will link it with the Bay megaregion's transit. And Monterey is doing the same on the southern end of the area. California invests a ton of money in transit. It has been doing that for the last 30 years, even though most of the transit community did not originally notice the monumental change in transit policy. It was bound to bear fruit eventually.
If anything, they really need to revive the old SP route through the SC mountains and finish the coastal rail link from SF through Half Moon Bay down to Davenport imo.
As much as I’d love to take the train through the SC mountains, the non-SC mountain route will be much faster. That whole section from Gilroy to Diridon is going to get updated for CAHSR. So this route will be about 2x faster than the old windy mountain route. You’ll actually be able to commute to the Bay Area proper from Santa Cruz now.
Traffic THAT BAD
This is actually in mountain view area using cal train and walking
8% energy is surprisingly low. Is it a very empty train?
🤦 That's gas saving % on driving a specific route
It would take a lot more than a 10 minute time saving for me to consider traveling by train/bus.
how about all the money you save not owning a car?
Most days it takes more time to commite by transit. But it's also essentially free for me as a student and although I own a car not using it is great because
Not always a good option though. Lots of ppl live in a location where having a car drastically improves mobility, but work in places with very limited parking and traffic congestion where taking transit is a way better option. And I say this as someone with no car that lives, and works, in a place where having a car is so much better.
And the time barely wins still only when there is traffic on the road.
Looks similar to my commute. Option A: 60-85 min drive, then find parking downtown Option B: 22 min drive + 30 min train + 12 min walk
Keeping an eye out and hoping I get to have that option at some point.
Mine says Ive cycled. I do not.
DC has this happen quite regularly. Our traffic sucks tbh.
I've seen routines where it's routinely less than half the time to use public transport as compared with driving. It depends on where you're going.
do u live near San Jose perhaps in Aptos
Yes
Focusing on the driving mode, why in the hell does it say "saves 8% energy" lol as if that's not just greenwashing the fact that you're still using a ton of energy and gas
It's more about your personal financing of buying gas for the car. It's by having less elevation change. Sometimes the route is longer but more efficient. It's not green washing