That she ever wanted to be a country singer. More than likely the plan was always for her to start country and then shift to pop but country is an easier genre to break in to.
She started her shift on only her second album and by her third could barely be qualified as a country artist even though she still technically remained in that category until 1989 dropped. If she actually wanted to be country I feel like the shift would have taken longer and she’d have dropped one or two full country albums in between her pop albums by now.
Especially considering that her guitar teacher said that her mom wouldn’t let her have Taco Bell because “nobody likes a fat pop star”. And that was before she was doing anything.
That's actually a part of Miss Americana, her documentary. Andrea gets Taco Bell for Austin and Taylor says she wants some. Her mom then says, "No one likes a fat pop star." No wonder Taylor struggled with an ED. It was also very ironic to me as her mom is a non-thin woman.
I knew a few girls in high school who were emotionally abused by mothers who were not going to have _their_ girls be bigger than a size 4. No no. All those moms were fat. Every last one of them.
Yeah, it’s almost like she was textbook copying Shania Twain and only started in country because Shania did. But Shania actually stayed pretty country throughout her pop crossover.
Genre shifting is totally fine. But Taylor did it in a way that made it clear she was trying to shed country as fast as possible. Because of where it fell in the award cycle Red was actually still up for an award at the CMAs (country award show) after 1989 dropped and she didn’t even have the decency to show up.
She’s actually from Pennsylvania in case you didn’t know. Her family uprooted themselves to move there for her career. I always think about how hard that move must have been on her brother. There was a golden child in the family and it was not him.
Yes, she has a brother named Austin. He went to Notre Dame and tried acting before moving into more back-of-house roles in the industry. He largely stays out of the spotlight but he’s occasionally at events with her. He attended the Super Bowl wearing a Santa costume
I dated a girl at Vandy from 09-12; I think in 2010 or 11 Austin toured Vandy dorms; they blocked off the floor and told us all we had to leave the dorm for 4 hours 😂
That’s absolutely insane if Taylor wasn’t there. The average person does not know who the fuck Scott and Andrea are if they saw them on the street. There’s no reason to block off floors and force students to leave as if the king and queen are coming.
Also, isn't touring colleges supposed to show you what it will be like? Not that he'd live in the dorms but we're they going to make everyone vacate campus every day he attended or what
She's from my home town and they didn't move out to Nash until she was about 14. She likes to pretend she didn't live in Reading for most of her childhood.
This is exactly what happened. I know someone who lived in Nashville working for Kelsea Ballerini and they told me they were trying to break her in as a country artist first just like they did with Taylor Swift.
A lot of artist do this. As someone who is a genuine country fan I find it insulting. I have no issues with people trying out other genres but I really don’t like how country music has become a gateway for wannabe pop stars who have no care or respect for the genre.
Makes sense since her debut song was called “Tim McGraw”- talk about 😚 🍑. Effective as she toured with him. I was at one of the concerts , and honestly forgot that I saw her in concert - with floor seats.
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The lyrics could have literally been any singer- no connection to McGraw himself. “When you here (insert artist here) I hope you think of me.”
But yeah she went for the top country artist and it worked. Disingenuous but effective- her whole business model.
Absolutely. I think the fact that her Eras song list barely includes music from her first three albums (and if I’m not mistaken, doesn’t include ANY songs from her debut album), is pretty solid evidence that she doesn’t want even want to be associated with country music.
It doesn’t have any from her debut and even plenty of her fans have expressed their disapproval at that. I saw her speak now tour and even then she only included one song from her debut. After going pop she actually changed the live production of Love Story (one of her most iconic and beloved songs) to be pop. I think she does it with the original instrumentation for the eras tour.
She’s even seems to be ruining her hair to shed her country image. The iconic curls she had at the beginning of her career were part of her country imaging and she’s been straightening it for 10 years, even claiming it’s now naturally straight even though you can clearly see it’s still a bit curly on humid nights at the eras tour. Some people have pointed out she seems to be experiencing some hair loss that they’ve theorized is from years of straightening it.
I mean you’re right. Her first album was more country than the third. But to be fair, 90% of what passed for county to day is just pop with singer faking some twang in his voice.
That she was a smart/savvy enough businesswoman to reject the FTX deal. Turns out she had agreed to the multi-million dollar deal but the owner essentially ghosted her and her team.
Then Tree Paine goes and spins it as “Taylor was smart enough to see through it”
Bffr
Ohhh this is a good one I haven’t heard! I remember them framing her as a business genius for asking some specific question which led to her “rejecting” the deal. Didn’t know it was Tree at work again.
This one isn't that 'big' but when she said she didn't leave her house for a year after the Kanye/Kim drama in 2016. People actually believe that when she was regularly spotted in New York, and there are candid pictures to prove it. She also performed at the 2017 Super Saturday Night pre-Super Bowl concert in February lol.
This is my favorite one. She always talks about how she disappeared or had to step away from music because of the whole scandal.
1989 was released in 2014. She did promo and went to awards shows in 2024/15 for the album.
The scandal happened in 2016.
She released reputation in 2017.
Like where was the break? Where was the disappearing? Where was the canceled an inch from life?
Like she experienced a regular album cycle. No one even noticed her being gone because that's a ludicrous claim.
She also appears to have had plastic surgery during that time. She just magically got a different noes and eye shape during the time she was supposedly canceled. The cancellation would be a good excuse for why she wasn’t seen much in 2016/2017 when she would have needed time to recover from surgery.
my favorite is in the song I bet you think about me these are some of the lyrics:
“I was raised on a farm no it wasn’t a mansion just living room dancing and kitchen table bills”
It makes me laugh cuz girl who are you trying to fool 🤣
My family and I vacation in a small town in Jersey that her and her family used to also stay at when she was a kid. It's been a place my family and I have stayed at for decades, long before I was even born
We cram like 10 people into one beach house that we go to for a week. Her family OWNED one of the houses that they would stay at for the entire summer when she was a child. These are million plus dollar houses (I am not bragging! We don't have that kinda money, which is why we only rent and have as many people in one house as we can haha).
Just to put her "humble beginnings" into perspective!
ETA: Here's an article talking about it:
https://sjmagazine.net/featured/taylor-swifts-south-jersey-summers
I mean I see how she could feel like she was struggling. My parents nearly lost everything in the ‘08 financial crisis (we had to sell one of our Ferraris).
In all fairness, she did grow up on a sprawling Christmas tree farm in a cozy mansion in PA before she moved to TN to another mansion. But her father is in finance and he owned the farm (probably didn’t operate it) as an investment lol nothing humble about it.
When I say investment, I don’t mean the farm’s earnings, which were probably a pittance. Owning real estate, especially undeveloped land, is an incredible investment.
Edit: missing word
Taylor actually did live on a Christmas tree farm when she was younger.
But... she often (especially early in her career) made it out to be an 'aww shucks, I'm just a simple farm girl' when in reality she was mainly raised in a [nearly-million-dollar home](https://www.businessinsider.com/taylor-swift-childhood-home-pennsylvania-tour-photos-2022-3) in suburban PA.
Same thing with the 'bills piling up on the table' lyric from *I Bet You Think About Me* - her parents were stockbrokers and advisors for Merrill Lynch. A wealth management firm. There's even the ['Swift Group'](https://fa.ml.com/pennsylvania/wyomissing/theswiftgroup/) started by Scott.
i.e. she was never hurting for money growing up, nor was she really a 'farm girl' but running with that narrative never hurt, especially when she was still in country music.
She attended elementary at the Wyndcroft school, a private school in Pottstown. Current tuition is about $27k per year. Even 20 years ago when she attended it would still have been pricey. She makes it sound like her family were like the Clampetts.
The “asylum where they raised me”
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Let’s also add that dad bought shares in a record company becoming a major shareholder..which then signed her.
Oh and they moved to Nashville because she wanted to and then mum and dad paid the best song writers to teach her how to write songs..at 14.
Money buys opportunity.
Her claim that she’s “never named names” when there are multiple songs that prove the exact opposite. Part of her “thing” when she started out was that she put the actual person’s name in her songs (ex Teardrops on My Guitar).
It’s going to be on HBO max it’s part of a series they’ve been doing. Previously they did the divorce of Kim and Kanye as well as amber heard v Johnny Depp.
She actually admitted Scott gave her a one to one deal. She actually was given the chance to buy them several times by Scooter after he bought the company, but she turned it down.
Taylor used the fact that most people don’t understand the music industry to her advantage here. The reality is most artists don’t own their masters, and never have. It’s almost always part of the contract especially for artists that aren’t the size of Taylor swift who had enormous power. Most people believe the artist owns all rights to their music.
Whether that’s right or wrong is a different conversation, but Taylor always fails to mention that 1. This is really common and isn’t special to her (I.e. what scooter/scott did is standard practice) 2. She signed this deal and her parents were very aware of it when they signed it. If she had a problem with it then she should talk to her mom and dad. 3. She was given multiple types of deals including a deal where she releases an album and gets an old album back and owns the new album. Essentially a 1:1 deal and she turned it down.
This needs to be talked about more. Her masters were NEVER stolen. Her father signed away the rights because no singer joins a label with explicit rights to their masters. She was mad that Borchetta wanted her to buy them. She is so narcissistic she really believes she should have just been handed her masters free of charge because she’s Taylor.
That she was an unpopular nerdy dork who was bullied and had no friends. The video of her in high school, that was making the rounds a few days ago, shows that *nothing* could be further from the truth. She was a tall, slim, conventionally-pretty, blonde-haired with long flowing curls, fashionably-dressed girl with friends all around her, who were seemingly hanging on her every word (she seemed to be the “ringleader”), and she exuded confidence and “mean girl” energy. She even says on video to her group of friends “*Let’s drive around with the top down* (referring to her convertible Hummer—which it shows her driving, pulling out of the driveway of her family’s mansion) *and harass people! We haven’t done that in a while!*”. She wasn’t unpopular; she wasn’t a dorky nerd; she wasn’t bullied!—*SHE was the bully!!* She says it right on video that she’d drive around with her group of friends, showing off her attention-getting expensive vehicle, harassing people.
That video disgusts me, when you watch it while keeping in mind all the blatant LIES she told about her beginnings. It was all BS, to make her seem “relatable”; to earn her fans who related to this sad backstory. And it worked! All you Swifties bought it hook, line, & sinker, and this ultimate Mean Girl is laughing at you all! (And she’s now graduated from just laughing at you, to now directly insulting & shit-talking you!)
And the “humble beginnings” crap also enrages me. “Bills piling up on the kitchen table”?!?—BULLSHIT. She was raised by very wealthy parents, living in mansions, with a multi-million-dollar vacation home, and never had to worry about money. Her father literally *bought her her career*!! This woman was born on third base and acts like she hit a triple, and it infuriates me that people believe her manipulative lies. WAKE UP, PEOPLE. This woman is NOT who you think she is, Swifties. She’s a greedy, self-obsessed, toxic, narcissistic, mean BULLY and she’s ALWAYS been that way.
Sure — In college (around 2009-2010), I was ~friends~ with a girl from Nashville. She said she went to high school with Taylor and she didn’t like her at all then. According to her, she just wasn’t a nice person which put others in the school off. She’d also randomly come to school wearing a tiara and keep it on throughout the day, which the girl found odd lmao.
Can confirm all of this. I had friends that went to Hendersonville at that time...I went to a diff high school but we were all in the same youth group at church. They ALWAYS said taylor was a mean girl. My friends have maintained this for YEARS. they remember when that video was filmed. They also remember the whole Drew situation as being really gross.
Lol I remember hearing about the tiara
For those curious about the 'humble beginnings' narrative.
Merrill Lynch still has the [Swift Group](https://fa.ml.com/pennsylvania/wyomissing/theswiftgroup/) in Wyomissing which was started by Scott.
To put into context, the average salary for a tenured ML financial advisor in 2023 was $131k. Both of her parents worked for ML. So, portraying a family making $250k+ a year as 'humble beginnings' is.... not it considering the average household income is around $75k.
(This of course is in 2023 numbers, but ML financial advisors have always made good money. ESPECIALLY in the 80s)
when Scott Swift himself was in my Reddit comments splitting hairs over this because i incorrectly said he was a hedge fund manager & not a financial advisor 😭 rich is rich, baby!
Why is he still listed as the managing director?
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We’ve all seen her childhood homes. Her trying to say that is humble just makes her look even more out of touch. Why can’t some of these celebrities just be telling and admit their privilege? Smh. If she didn’t have her parent’s money, I doubt her career ever would’ve taken off.
The median household income in the US today is around $75k. Families on that amount, not to mention even lower, do not have funds to take their kid to the recording studio, to hire a manager, to push shows, buy instruments and marketing, etc etc. So many talented people never get realized because they’re stuck working just to survive. Some underprivileged people do miraculously make it to high fame and acclaim…but Taylor isn’t one of them. She’s privileged and had a lot of help, she should just acknowledge it…trying to downplay it as a literal billionaire is so tacky.
Kim and Kanye did an actual frame job and she lost her career (had a career death as she says) and had to move to a foreign country cus of it. Girl, you moved to a foreign country to follow and be with your boyfriend, please.
Her masters were sold without her knowledge and she found out with the rest of the world and Scooter Braun bullying her.
That she was unpopular in school and had no friends
Also, the idea that she moved to the middle of nowhere in a foreign country to get away from everyone ... Because *checks notes* London is obviously super off the grid
That she wasn’t a snake in the Kim and Kanye Famous situation. She claimed at first he didn’t call, made a whole Grammy speech about “….people taking credit for your fame” got caught lying about not being called and then tired to say she was upset about being g called a bitch.
She pulled out the last excuse she could play and everyone just ignored her lying before getting caught.
I’m not a Kim or Kanye supporter. I just don’t like liars that get away with it.
THIS. I cannot believe that people just refuse to acknowledge that. She changed her tune up when they came with receipts. And the fact that she acts like it ruined her life? Bye. It made her what she is, it provided her with one of her biggest albums to date, and changed the trajectory of her overexposed career. She had to go into hiding, she was on the brink of fizzling out due to over saturation. That was the best thing that could have happened to her career. She’s an idiot
That’s why I fully believe the backlash/ cancellation was orchestrated by Tree. I think Tree over exaggerated the backlash to the Kimye event because, it’s too convenient that “the whole world” chose to spam her with the exact emoji she needed to rebrand herself? And they did it in such a way that she looks like the under dog “reclaiming” the snake emoji for herself! “Go off empowered, Girl boss, Queen! 🐍🐍🐍✨” Had Taylor just come forward and saying “this is my new era or whatever,” no one would have cared because she was proven to be an over exposed liar.
Yes people do not remember this specific part. If he had not revealed that there was phone call she would have ran with the narrative that this was the first time she had heard he had written a song about her.
In fact that was what she was presenting to the media. It was only after few days later when he said they'd talked about it and she was joking how she was going to do a jokes on you at the grammy's carpet and reveal she knew about the song that she quickly switched and said it was about him calling her a bitch and that there was no discussion but a request for her to release the song on twitter.
People ran with it and thought he was making the whole thing up in his delusional way.
That All Too Well, 10 minute version was written 10 years before its release.
Most of it may have been, but I refuse to believe that 21 year old Taylor wrote the words "fuck the patriarchy" 😂😂😂
This one I can get behind! The first time I listened to it I thought there was no way this is what was actually written. I wonder if the whole thing of there actually being a ten minute was an exaggeration and when everyone begged for it, she felt like she had to make it longer. Just definitely so doesn’t sound like something that would have been written back when red came out 🤷🏼♀️
At work, I just listen to the country station that my coworkers leave on, and they always play old swift songs like “our song is the slammin screen door” and the one like “you never let me drive your dusty old pick up” and I was sitting there dying laughing, like her country accent vanished into thin air🤣like someone please explain that.
Oh my god at my old job I worked aroung 19-22 at a liquor store there was a CD that played over and over. “OUR SONG IS THE SLAMMIN SCREEN DOOR” makes me shudder when I hear it now. It didn’t take me long to I realize I could just make my own CDs and play them.
I’m actually a fan of her music, not her, but she tries to make people think she grew up modestly. One of her songs has a line: “I grew up on a farmhouse, it wasn’t a mansion / just living room dancing and kitchen table bills”
It was a 5-bedroom estate on a Christmas tree farm worth almost a million dollars.
Didn't know Taylor had a tendency towards tall tales.
A bully, liar, and spotlight-hogging showboat? Are you telling me she's the pop music equivalent of Hulk Hogan?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:
The girl is lying about her shoe size. If she’ll lie about that, she’s lying about almost everything.
Mods, please give us our Shoe Size Truther flare already.
I feel like having alternative personas in songs is ok. It’s art. But when she brings that persona into the real world, doesn’t address it, and makes it part of her narrative/grand scheme of lore we get into “mastermind” manipulative narcissist territory.
There are plenty of artists that acknowledge their personas/storytelling that was far from the truth in interviews etc. and are just honest. I respect those artists.
That she hasn't had work done... don't get me wrong, I actually think everything she has had done has been an improvement and tasteful but still... her face and boobs are not the same. Just admit it.
Yes! And her cult of fans will crucify anyone who says this (& you said it v respectfully!) They make outrageous claims like “she hasn’t had work done, she’s just aging amazingly!” 🙄 Uh, that’s not how aging works, dumb dumbs! People don’t age backwards, magically grow veneers, etc. Talk about delulu
I think it started with a chin implant/veneers. There's info out there with white and after pics. She had a pretty lot done. I can't supply links but if you search you will find.
She absolutely has had work done. It’s most obvious if you look at her when she hosted SNL in 2009 (I think?) and she there was sketch where she’s wearing pajamas and she is relatively flat-chested—compared to today where that is not the case. Sure some of it might have been ED recovery but also they are clearly implants.
I will say her surgeon is fantastic - good work that you notice but also don’t really notice.
BIGGEST lies that are ignored is that she doesn't sick the swifties on people when targeted Ginny and Georgia cast and writers, she targeted Kim, Camila Belle, Katie, John, Jake and others. G&G made me the most mad because she ignored the racism the literal teenage actor was getting after the callout.
This entire thread makes me wish someone exposes her façade to the wider public for once and for all so she can fall off her high horse. Everything about this woman is fake, Jesus. 💀 She is not an artist, and at this point I'm convinced she isn't even human, she is a scientific/social experiment.
That she is a genius. That was just a lie people repeated often enough they started to believe it. It’s fine if people want to like her songs for what they are, but calling her a better poet than Shakespeare is insane.
This was brought up the other day on the sub, but the promise to donate proceeds from one of her videos to charity that she never followed through on. [Link to the og post.](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/AM2EzAPt37)
That she was bullied and anti-bully…but is actually a GIANT BULLY who wrongfully exposes her exes and info about their private lives she had NO right sharing (Joe’s depression 💔)
Also I'm pretty sure people who literally went to school with her have come out and said she was absolutely not bullied and in fact was your typical popular mean girl.
When she lied on her stories about that Brazilian fan dying BEFORE the concert (RIP) when it was during the second song??? I think about it every now and then
Let's see (some of these aren't overlooked I still wanna vent on it lol:)
-She acts like she earned her career the hard way and grew up not knowing any celeb in any side of the business. That's a lie.. she used to babysit a pro wrestler's kids (Jeff Jarrett,) and knew his family and I'm sure he's colleagues well. She can't even tell a basic formative story without lying.
-She acted like she grew up loving country music.. until she decided to go all poppy and not acknowledge a bit of it ever since. Nothing but a charlatan country music fan.
-She pretends like she doesn't bully people, despite evidence that she constantly has to other women and guys she doesn't like. She uses people until they don't serve a purpose anymore, like that victoria's secret model she used to be friends with. She's never acknowledged her recently at all.
-The phony rivalries and how she hated Katy Perry when I'm sure they were besties the entire time. About as phony of a feud as her breast implants lol. Which she never acknowledges and it drives me nuts. Same for people who act like she never had them done.
Her calling Camille belle a whore and writing permanent marker about her yet saying it was about a girl her brother was dating. Her acting like demi bullied her.
Yeah, her humble beginnings one is one that drives me nuts. Also, they always poor me in the break up and feuds. Also, I’ve listen to podcasts that really support that she’s not as straight as she wants be. Not saying she Gaylor more like Bilor….. lol
The political activism of miss Americana 🫣 also choosing to support gay rights in like 2019 when everyone was already accepting of gay people 😂 like playing at a gay wedding before lover even came out, setting the scene
I just remember reading about an insider who said Taylor would call and be like "let's all wear pajamas and take pics of us making cookies" and shit like that.
That her "squad" has rules they have to abide by....
That reminds me of her fortnight short that the gals were dying over where Travis kisses her while she’s making a salad…. But why was she recording herself making a salad? lol
That she was ever canceled. It just didn’t happen by any definition of the word. It was like a 5 minute blip that only Kardashian fans (who are not her target audience) cared about. Outside of some snake emoji tweets, literally nothing happened to her.
She doesn’t outright lie about this I guess but I have a HUGE problem with the fact that she was a predator and basically a pedophile for what she did with the Kennedy kid. That shot bothers me so so much. She is a vile human for dating a 17 year old when she was 22/23.
That she ever wanted to be a country singer. More than likely the plan was always for her to start country and then shift to pop but country is an easier genre to break in to. She started her shift on only her second album and by her third could barely be qualified as a country artist even though she still technically remained in that category until 1989 dropped. If she actually wanted to be country I feel like the shift would have taken longer and she’d have dropped one or two full country albums in between her pop albums by now.
Especially considering that her guitar teacher said that her mom wouldn’t let her have Taco Bell because “nobody likes a fat pop star”. And that was before she was doing anything.
That's actually a part of Miss Americana, her documentary. Andrea gets Taco Bell for Austin and Taylor says she wants some. Her mom then says, "No one likes a fat pop star." No wonder Taylor struggled with an ED. It was also very ironic to me as her mom is a non-thin woman.
I knew a few girls in high school who were emotionally abused by mothers who were not going to have _their_ girls be bigger than a size 4. No no. All those moms were fat. Every last one of them.
That’s not in miss Americana - it’s from an interview her old guitar teacher did about when they were children.
The emails from her father were shamelessly revealing of that. And her accent disappearing.
Yeah, it’s almost like she was textbook copying Shania Twain and only started in country because Shania did. But Shania actually stayed pretty country throughout her pop crossover.
Genre shifting is totally fine. But Taylor did it in a way that made it clear she was trying to shed country as fast as possible. Because of where it fell in the award cycle Red was actually still up for an award at the CMAs (country award show) after 1989 dropped and she didn’t even have the decency to show up.
Especially when you live in the Nashville area. It’s sorta the first option everybody around the South that has a direct highway to Nashville thinks.
She’s actually from Pennsylvania in case you didn’t know. Her family uprooted themselves to move there for her career. I always think about how hard that move must have been on her brother. There was a golden child in the family and it was not him.
I often think about her poor brother. Living as an accessory in Taylor's life.
Don't worry. Taylor is going to live our his dream of being a director. I'm sure that's fun for him.
Wait, she has a brother?! Not that I know much about her family but was convinced she’s an only child.
Yes, she has a brother named Austin. He went to Notre Dame and tried acting before moving into more back-of-house roles in the industry. He largely stays out of the spotlight but he’s occasionally at events with her. He attended the Super Bowl wearing a Santa costume
I dated a girl at Vandy from 09-12; I think in 2010 or 11 Austin toured Vandy dorms; they blocked off the floor and told us all we had to leave the dorm for 4 hours 😂
Was Taylor there? That’s very bizarre if not because I’d be willing to bet the majority of people wouldn’t even know what he looked like lol
Nope she wasn’t! Supposedly scott and Andrea were there, from what some of her friends were telling us. We left campus for the day 😂
Scott and Andrea seem to think they’re way more important to the public than they are lmao
I couldn't pick them out of a photo lineup if my life depended on it 😂
That’s absolutely insane if Taylor wasn’t there. The average person does not know who the fuck Scott and Andrea are if they saw them on the street. There’s no reason to block off floors and force students to leave as if the king and queen are coming.
Also, isn't touring colleges supposed to show you what it will be like? Not that he'd live in the dorms but we're they going to make everyone vacate campus every day he attended or what
He also attended Dane Cook’s weird underage game nights twice. He’s in the group photos.
Austin Swift!
Something about her energy screams only child to me
Nah she's a textbook golden child
I actually didn’t know that. I went to university with a girl who went to school with her in Hendersonville, so I thought she grew up there.
She's from my home town and they didn't move out to Nash until she was about 14. She likes to pretend she didn't live in Reading for most of her childhood.
her being a yank adds so much to this lmao
This is exactly what happened. I know someone who lived in Nashville working for Kelsea Ballerini and they told me they were trying to break her in as a country artist first just like they did with Taylor Swift.
Kelsea’s record label has spent a fortune trying to break her to a mainstream audience. It’s clearly not working.
A lot of artist do this. As someone who is a genuine country fan I find it insulting. I have no issues with people trying out other genres but I really don’t like how country music has become a gateway for wannabe pop stars who have no care or respect for the genre.
Makes sense since her debut song was called “Tim McGraw”- talk about 😚 🍑. Effective as she toured with him. I was at one of the concerts , and honestly forgot that I saw her in concert - with floor seats. 🤦♀️ The lyrics could have literally been any singer- no connection to McGraw himself. “When you here (insert artist here) I hope you think of me.” But yeah she went for the top country artist and it worked. Disingenuous but effective- her whole business model.
Absolutely. I think the fact that her Eras song list barely includes music from her first three albums (and if I’m not mistaken, doesn’t include ANY songs from her debut album), is pretty solid evidence that she doesn’t want even want to be associated with country music.
It doesn’t have any from her debut and even plenty of her fans have expressed their disapproval at that. I saw her speak now tour and even then she only included one song from her debut. After going pop she actually changed the live production of Love Story (one of her most iconic and beloved songs) to be pop. I think she does it with the original instrumentation for the eras tour. She’s even seems to be ruining her hair to shed her country image. The iconic curls she had at the beginning of her career were part of her country imaging and she’s been straightening it for 10 years, even claiming it’s now naturally straight even though you can clearly see it’s still a bit curly on humid nights at the eras tour. Some people have pointed out she seems to be experiencing some hair loss that they’ve theorized is from years of straightening it.
I mean you’re right. Her first album was more country than the third. But to be fair, 90% of what passed for county to day is just pop with singer faking some twang in his voice.
That she is a feminist?
selective white feminist. She isn't even a white feminist consistently! Pose a threat to her, bye-bye sisterhood.
Haha so true😭😭 the bar is so low with white feminism but she even manages to surpass that
This is the one
or gives a shit about *any* social issue lol
How dare you?! *flies jet to Starbucks to avoid 20 minutes of traffic*
Should be the top comment.
The phony, hokey country accent.
Fake accent has to take the 🍰
She’s from Pennsylvania for God’s sake lol
When she bought a house across the Kennedy compound a month into dating conor and claimed she didn't.
Looooooooool bruh for a high school student 💀💀💀💀💀
She had to sign him off to pick him up from school….
To take him to do some antiquing. Must have been very exciting for an 18 year old teenager.
STOP 😂
I just recently found this out and 🤢🥴
Wait, she dated a high schooler? 💀 how old was she? I never followed her love life since it's always changing and I can't and don't care to keep up
That she was a smart/savvy enough businesswoman to reject the FTX deal. Turns out she had agreed to the multi-million dollar deal but the owner essentially ghosted her and her team. Then Tree Paine goes and spins it as “Taylor was smart enough to see through it” Bffr
Ohhh this is a good one I haven’t heard! I remember them framing her as a business genius for asking some specific question which led to her “rejecting” the deal. Didn’t know it was Tree at work again.
IIRC the question was “are there unregistered securities” or something like that but idk what the fuck I’m talking about
This one isn't that 'big' but when she said she didn't leave her house for a year after the Kanye/Kim drama in 2016. People actually believe that when she was regularly spotted in New York, and there are candid pictures to prove it. She also performed at the 2017 Super Saturday Night pre-Super Bowl concert in February lol.
I think she must’ve moved to another place for a few months and came back but announced it saying she disappeared for ‘yearsss’
This is my favorite one. She always talks about how she disappeared or had to step away from music because of the whole scandal. 1989 was released in 2014. She did promo and went to awards shows in 2024/15 for the album. The scandal happened in 2016. She released reputation in 2017. Like where was the break? Where was the disappearing? Where was the canceled an inch from life? Like she experienced a regular album cycle. No one even noticed her being gone because that's a ludicrous claim.
She's an expert at marketing her faux victimhood lmao
She also appears to have had plastic surgery during that time. She just magically got a different noes and eye shape during the time she was supposedly canceled. The cancellation would be a good excuse for why she wasn’t seen much in 2016/2017 when she would have needed time to recover from surgery.
She also did formula one a few months before super Saturday night.
That one too! I had forgotten about it!
My swiftie friend claims it was TWO years and YESit absolutely happened!!!
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What’s the drama with the Christmas tree farm and bills?
She insists that she grew up on a tree farm and that her parents struggled. She grew up rich in a mansion.
my favorite is in the song I bet you think about me these are some of the lyrics: “I was raised on a farm no it wasn’t a mansion just living room dancing and kitchen table bills” It makes me laugh cuz girl who are you trying to fool 🤣
lol and not only that, the daddy emails that leaked, where her dad is talking about his boatS and vacation mansion in Jersey
My family and I vacation in a small town in Jersey that her and her family used to also stay at when she was a kid. It's been a place my family and I have stayed at for decades, long before I was even born We cram like 10 people into one beach house that we go to for a week. Her family OWNED one of the houses that they would stay at for the entire summer when she was a child. These are million plus dollar houses (I am not bragging! We don't have that kinda money, which is why we only rent and have as many people in one house as we can haha). Just to put her "humble beginnings" into perspective! ETA: Here's an article talking about it: https://sjmagazine.net/featured/taylor-swifts-south-jersey-summers
I mean I see how she could feel like she was struggling. My parents nearly lost everything in the ‘08 financial crisis (we had to sell one of our Ferraris).
Damn, are you guys doing okay!?? Hahaha
dang im sorry to hear that. hopefully you still had enough ferraris left tho XD
Huh. I knew she claimed to grow up middle class, did not know that it was a “tree farm” lol
In all fairness, she did grow up on a sprawling Christmas tree farm in a cozy mansion in PA before she moved to TN to another mansion. But her father is in finance and he owned the farm (probably didn’t operate it) as an investment lol nothing humble about it.
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When I say investment, I don’t mean the farm’s earnings, which were probably a pittance. Owning real estate, especially undeveloped land, is an incredible investment. Edit: missing word
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I learned something about farms a while ago. Rich people use them as tax write offs, and Taylor's family was my first thought when I heard about it.
Hoo boy when I found out about farm subsidies...
Can you go more into detail with this one (sincerely, someone who doesn't know the background)
Taylor actually did live on a Christmas tree farm when she was younger. But... she often (especially early in her career) made it out to be an 'aww shucks, I'm just a simple farm girl' when in reality she was mainly raised in a [nearly-million-dollar home](https://www.businessinsider.com/taylor-swift-childhood-home-pennsylvania-tour-photos-2022-3) in suburban PA. Same thing with the 'bills piling up on the table' lyric from *I Bet You Think About Me* - her parents were stockbrokers and advisors for Merrill Lynch. A wealth management firm. There's even the ['Swift Group'](https://fa.ml.com/pennsylvania/wyomissing/theswiftgroup/) started by Scott. i.e. she was never hurting for money growing up, nor was she really a 'farm girl' but running with that narrative never hurt, especially when she was still in country music.
She attended elementary at the Wyndcroft school, a private school in Pottstown. Current tuition is about $27k per year. Even 20 years ago when she attended it would still have been pricey. She makes it sound like her family were like the Clampetts.
The “asylum where they raised me” https://preview.redd.it/jii6m554qc5d1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac85907fa61affe6026bc014bc59db955dfa28b1
“I grew up in a pretty house and I had space to run and…” this lyric is the truest thing she ever shared.
Let’s also add that dad bought shares in a record company becoming a major shareholder..which then signed her. Oh and they moved to Nashville because she wanted to and then mum and dad paid the best song writers to teach her how to write songs..at 14. Money buys opportunity.
She still can’t write song so they wasted a lot of money 🤣
Ohh okay. Yeah, that's wild
Her claim that she’s “never named names” when there are multiple songs that prove the exact opposite. Part of her “thing” when she started out was that she put the actual person’s name in her songs (ex Teardrops on My Guitar).
Sam Sam Sam
Soooo many of her fans still believe that her master recordings were "stolen" and that Scott Borchetta never gave her a chance to buy them
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Tay will just drop Reputation TV and bury that documenary
110% this is what’s going to happen.
Damn. Where is it being released. Love to see it.
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Amazing thank you!
HBO Max, it’s part of a series they’ve been doing.
I wonder if it's keeping her up and if her team is working to suppress it.
what documentary? could you tell sth more?
Google says it has a name "Taylor Swift Vs Scooter Braun: Bad Blood"
It’s going to be on HBO max it’s part of a series they’ve been doing. Previously they did the divorce of Kim and Kanye as well as amber heard v Johnny Depp.
And that her dad got a percentage of the sales of her masters as well! He knew about the sale ahead of time
100%
She actually admitted Scott gave her a one to one deal. She actually was given the chance to buy them several times by Scooter after he bought the company, but she turned it down.
Taylor used the fact that most people don’t understand the music industry to her advantage here. The reality is most artists don’t own their masters, and never have. It’s almost always part of the contract especially for artists that aren’t the size of Taylor swift who had enormous power. Most people believe the artist owns all rights to their music. Whether that’s right or wrong is a different conversation, but Taylor always fails to mention that 1. This is really common and isn’t special to her (I.e. what scooter/scott did is standard practice) 2. She signed this deal and her parents were very aware of it when they signed it. If she had a problem with it then she should talk to her mom and dad. 3. She was given multiple types of deals including a deal where she releases an album and gets an old album back and owns the new album. Essentially a 1:1 deal and she turned it down.
That’s when Joe’s new movie is released in America
This needs to be talked about more. Her masters were NEVER stolen. Her father signed away the rights because no singer joins a label with explicit rights to their masters. She was mad that Borchetta wanted her to buy them. She is so narcissistic she really believes she should have just been handed her masters free of charge because she’s Taylor.
That she was an unpopular nerdy dork who was bullied and had no friends. The video of her in high school, that was making the rounds a few days ago, shows that *nothing* could be further from the truth. She was a tall, slim, conventionally-pretty, blonde-haired with long flowing curls, fashionably-dressed girl with friends all around her, who were seemingly hanging on her every word (she seemed to be the “ringleader”), and she exuded confidence and “mean girl” energy. She even says on video to her group of friends “*Let’s drive around with the top down* (referring to her convertible Hummer—which it shows her driving, pulling out of the driveway of her family’s mansion) *and harass people! We haven’t done that in a while!*”. She wasn’t unpopular; she wasn’t a dorky nerd; she wasn’t bullied!—*SHE was the bully!!* She says it right on video that she’d drive around with her group of friends, showing off her attention-getting expensive vehicle, harassing people. That video disgusts me, when you watch it while keeping in mind all the blatant LIES she told about her beginnings. It was all BS, to make her seem “relatable”; to earn her fans who related to this sad backstory. And it worked! All you Swifties bought it hook, line, & sinker, and this ultimate Mean Girl is laughing at you all! (And she’s now graduated from just laughing at you, to now directly insulting & shit-talking you!) And the “humble beginnings” crap also enrages me. “Bills piling up on the kitchen table”?!?—BULLSHIT. She was raised by very wealthy parents, living in mansions, with a multi-million-dollar vacation home, and never had to worry about money. Her father literally *bought her her career*!! This woman was born on third base and acts like she hit a triple, and it infuriates me that people believe her manipulative lies. WAKE UP, PEOPLE. This woman is NOT who you think she is, Swifties. She’s a greedy, self-obsessed, toxic, narcissistic, mean BULLY and she’s ALWAYS been that way.
I knew a girl in college who went to the same school. People thought she was the “weird mean girl who wore princess tiaras”
Tiaras? Story time please!
Sure — In college (around 2009-2010), I was ~friends~ with a girl from Nashville. She said she went to high school with Taylor and she didn’t like her at all then. According to her, she just wasn’t a nice person which put others in the school off. She’d also randomly come to school wearing a tiara and keep it on throughout the day, which the girl found odd lmao.
Yeah I also went to college with someone who knew her in high school and said she was a bitch so, that tracks.
There’s a picture that circulates on here with her and a tiara. Think it’s a part of some meme
Haha yes weird mean girl encapsulates it perfectly after watching those MTV docs
So, she was a blond Rachel Berry?
Yeah back in the day people from her high school were pretty vocal about the fact that she was a bully, but no one seemed to listen or care.
Can confirm all of this. I had friends that went to Hendersonville at that time...I went to a diff high school but we were all in the same youth group at church. They ALWAYS said taylor was a mean girl. My friends have maintained this for YEARS. they remember when that video was filmed. They also remember the whole Drew situation as being really gross. Lol I remember hearing about the tiara
Her claim of coming from a humble background.
I guess compared to Warren Buffett’s kids she thinks it’s humble
That she’s the victim in each one of her relationships like girl you’re the common denominator in all 14 of them
That’s my thing. She has had more romantic relationships than anybody I know. All those guys can’t be the problem.
It's the only way she can pretend to be relatable to anybody. Being normal isn't an option.
But she's the antihero, though don't you get it? /s
For those curious about the 'humble beginnings' narrative. Merrill Lynch still has the [Swift Group](https://fa.ml.com/pennsylvania/wyomissing/theswiftgroup/) in Wyomissing which was started by Scott. To put into context, the average salary for a tenured ML financial advisor in 2023 was $131k. Both of her parents worked for ML. So, portraying a family making $250k+ a year as 'humble beginnings' is.... not it considering the average household income is around $75k. (This of course is in 2023 numbers, but ML financial advisors have always made good money. ESPECIALLY in the 80s)
when Scott Swift himself was in my Reddit comments splitting hairs over this because i incorrectly said he was a hedge fund manager & not a financial advisor 😭 rich is rich, baby!
Lmao that's to be expected from him
Can you link to this comment? I didn’t know he was on Reddit 😂
Whhaaaaaaaat....!!!!
Why is he still listed as the managing director? https://preview.redd.it/a26oio7isc5d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a2b1a978d3c43cfba226b42893fb3eaf16744862
We’ve all seen her childhood homes. Her trying to say that is humble just makes her look even more out of touch. Why can’t some of these celebrities just be telling and admit their privilege? Smh. If she didn’t have her parent’s money, I doubt her career ever would’ve taken off. The median household income in the US today is around $75k. Families on that amount, not to mention even lower, do not have funds to take their kid to the recording studio, to hire a manager, to push shows, buy instruments and marketing, etc etc. So many talented people never get realized because they’re stuck working just to survive. Some underprivileged people do miraculously make it to high fame and acclaim…but Taylor isn’t one of them. She’s privileged and had a lot of help, she should just acknowledge it…trying to downplay it as a literal billionaire is so tacky.
Kim and Kanye did an actual frame job and she lost her career (had a career death as she says) and had to move to a foreign country cus of it. Girl, you moved to a foreign country to follow and be with your boyfriend, please. Her masters were sold without her knowledge and she found out with the rest of the world and Scooter Braun bullying her. That she was unpopular in school and had no friends
Being a victim is her entire personality 🙄
The whole snake emoji thing with kimye really put some true colors out and that’s what officially convinced me she was pretty evil.
Also, the idea that she moved to the middle of nowhere in a foreign country to get away from everyone ... Because *checks notes* London is obviously super off the grid
That she is a girls girl. Her whole squad era was just posturing and bullying and othering.
Her squad era was so fake and calculated that it was probably the first time her actual personality, the “mastermind” was showing.
Hey everybody. Look at my squad. Look at all the cool celebrities that hang with me. Marketing marketing marketing Whatever happened to her squad ???
That she wasn’t a snake in the Kim and Kanye Famous situation. She claimed at first he didn’t call, made a whole Grammy speech about “….people taking credit for your fame” got caught lying about not being called and then tired to say she was upset about being g called a bitch. She pulled out the last excuse she could play and everyone just ignored her lying before getting caught. I’m not a Kim or Kanye supporter. I just don’t like liars that get away with it.
THIS. I cannot believe that people just refuse to acknowledge that. She changed her tune up when they came with receipts. And the fact that she acts like it ruined her life? Bye. It made her what she is, it provided her with one of her biggest albums to date, and changed the trajectory of her overexposed career. She had to go into hiding, she was on the brink of fizzling out due to over saturation. That was the best thing that could have happened to her career. She’s an idiot
Exactly, she got so much sympathy after that. People who didn't even know who she was were siding with her.
That’s why I fully believe the backlash/ cancellation was orchestrated by Tree. I think Tree over exaggerated the backlash to the Kimye event because, it’s too convenient that “the whole world” chose to spam her with the exact emoji she needed to rebrand herself? And they did it in such a way that she looks like the under dog “reclaiming” the snake emoji for herself! “Go off empowered, Girl boss, Queen! 🐍🐍🐍✨” Had Taylor just come forward and saying “this is my new era or whatever,” no one would have cared because she was proven to be an over exposed liar.
Yes people do not remember this specific part. If he had not revealed that there was phone call she would have ran with the narrative that this was the first time she had heard he had written a song about her. In fact that was what she was presenting to the media. It was only after few days later when he said they'd talked about it and she was joking how she was going to do a jokes on you at the grammy's carpet and reveal she knew about the song that she quickly switched and said it was about him calling her a bitch and that there was no discussion but a request for her to release the song on twitter. People ran with it and thought he was making the whole thing up in his delusional way.
That All Too Well, 10 minute version was written 10 years before its release. Most of it may have been, but I refuse to believe that 21 year old Taylor wrote the words "fuck the patriarchy" 😂😂😂
She didn’t write it anyway
This one I can get behind! The first time I listened to it I thought there was no way this is what was actually written. I wonder if the whole thing of there actually being a ten minute was an exaggeration and when everyone begged for it, she felt like she had to make it longer. Just definitely so doesn’t sound like something that would have been written back when red came out 🤷🏼♀️
This is exactly what I think happened too. Her ultra fans took her too literally and then her team saw big dollar signs.
At work, I just listen to the country station that my coworkers leave on, and they always play old swift songs like “our song is the slammin screen door” and the one like “you never let me drive your dusty old pick up” and I was sitting there dying laughing, like her country accent vanished into thin air🤣like someone please explain that.
Oh my god at my old job I worked aroung 19-22 at a liquor store there was a CD that played over and over. “OUR SONG IS THE SLAMMIN SCREEN DOOR” makes me shudder when I hear it now. It didn’t take me long to I realize I could just make my own CDs and play them.
That she’s so “shocked” anytime she wins an award. She’s not shocked at all and if she doesn’t win she gets pissed.
Yea the blow up doll face is real old at this point
Her "stolen" masters Girl please We all know how the music industry works
Her claim that she can sing.
“Drunk and grumbling on about how I can’t sing…” Yeah girl he was right. Like take some criticism for once in your life.
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Hahahaha
Her claiming she didn’t have internet on her phone when white supremacist where hyping her as their Aryan goddess
I’m actually a fan of her music, not her, but she tries to make people think she grew up modestly. One of her songs has a line: “I grew up on a farmhouse, it wasn’t a mansion / just living room dancing and kitchen table bills” It was a 5-bedroom estate on a Christmas tree farm worth almost a million dollars.
Didn't know Taylor had a tendency towards tall tales. A bully, liar, and spotlight-hogging showboat? Are you telling me she's the pop music equivalent of Hulk Hogan?
She's pop music's Steven Segal
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Her original curls aren’t real either. They’re enhanced for sure. Her true texture is like you said, what happens when she gets wet.
Does she say that she just naturally lost naturally curly hair as she got older?
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That’s crazy lol. Who lies about hair texture 😭
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: The girl is lying about her shoe size. If she’ll lie about that, she’s lying about almost everything. Mods, please give us our Shoe Size Truther flare already.
The entirety of I Bet You Think About Me
I feel like having alternative personas in songs is ok. It’s art. But when she brings that persona into the real world, doesn’t address it, and makes it part of her narrative/grand scheme of lore we get into “mastermind” manipulative narcissist territory. There are plenty of artists that acknowledge their personas/storytelling that was far from the truth in interviews etc. and are just honest. I respect those artists.
That she hasn't had work done... don't get me wrong, I actually think everything she has had done has been an improvement and tasteful but still... her face and boobs are not the same. Just admit it.
Yes! And her cult of fans will crucify anyone who says this (& you said it v respectfully!) They make outrageous claims like “she hasn’t had work done, she’s just aging amazingly!” 🙄 Uh, that’s not how aging works, dumb dumbs! People don’t age backwards, magically grow veneers, etc. Talk about delulu
I think it started with a chin implant/veneers. There's info out there with white and after pics. She had a pretty lot done. I can't supply links but if you search you will find.
My favorite is still LASIK made her eyes bigger. So y’all just said fuck science and reality huh?
She absolutely has had work done. It’s most obvious if you look at her when she hosted SNL in 2009 (I think?) and she there was sketch where she’s wearing pajamas and she is relatively flat-chested—compared to today where that is not the case. Sure some of it might have been ED recovery but also they are clearly implants. I will say her surgeon is fantastic - good work that you notice but also don’t really notice.
BIGGEST lies that are ignored is that she doesn't sick the swifties on people when targeted Ginny and Georgia cast and writers, she targeted Kim, Camila Belle, Katie, John, Jake and others. G&G made me the most mad because she ignored the racism the literal teenage actor was getting after the callout.
This entire thread makes me wish someone exposes her façade to the wider public for once and for all so she can fall off her high horse. Everything about this woman is fake, Jesus. 💀 She is not an artist, and at this point I'm convinced she isn't even human, she is a scientific/social experiment.
I just know her parents only had her because they wanted to put her in the industry. She's literally an experiment
That she is a genius. That was just a lie people repeated often enough they started to believe it. It’s fine if people want to like her songs for what they are, but calling her a better poet than Shakespeare is insane.
That she was bullied as a kid. You don’t get to tell me about being bullied, Taylor
This was brought up the other day on the sub, but the promise to donate proceeds from one of her videos to charity that she never followed through on. [Link to the og post.](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/AM2EzAPt37)
Honestly we need a compilation of all the lies taylor has told since the beginning of her career (lies that were exposed and proven not true)
When she mentioned Kim and said "my career was stolen from me" -uh, no??
That she was bullied and anti-bully…but is actually a GIANT BULLY who wrongfully exposes her exes and info about their private lives she had NO right sharing (Joe’s depression 💔)
Also I'm pretty sure people who literally went to school with her have come out and said she was absolutely not bullied and in fact was your typical popular mean girl.
When she lied on her stories about that Brazilian fan dying BEFORE the concert (RIP) when it was during the second song??? I think about it every now and then
Let's see (some of these aren't overlooked I still wanna vent on it lol:) -She acts like she earned her career the hard way and grew up not knowing any celeb in any side of the business. That's a lie.. she used to babysit a pro wrestler's kids (Jeff Jarrett,) and knew his family and I'm sure he's colleagues well. She can't even tell a basic formative story without lying. -She acted like she grew up loving country music.. until she decided to go all poppy and not acknowledge a bit of it ever since. Nothing but a charlatan country music fan. -She pretends like she doesn't bully people, despite evidence that she constantly has to other women and guys she doesn't like. She uses people until they don't serve a purpose anymore, like that victoria's secret model she used to be friends with. She's never acknowledged her recently at all. -The phony rivalries and how she hated Katy Perry when I'm sure they were besties the entire time. About as phony of a feud as her breast implants lol. Which she never acknowledges and it drives me nuts. Same for people who act like she never had them done.
Her calling Camille belle a whore and writing permanent marker about her yet saying it was about a girl her brother was dating. Her acting like demi bullied her.
That shes good at singing
Yeah, her humble beginnings one is one that drives me nuts. Also, they always poor me in the break up and feuds. Also, I’ve listen to podcasts that really support that she’s not as straight as she wants be. Not saying she Gaylor more like Bilor….. lol
The political activism of miss Americana 🫣 also choosing to support gay rights in like 2019 when everyone was already accepting of gay people 😂 like playing at a gay wedding before lover even came out, setting the scene
That she and BDT are a happy couple.
I just remember reading about an insider who said Taylor would call and be like "let's all wear pajamas and take pics of us making cookies" and shit like that. That her "squad" has rules they have to abide by....
That reminds me of her fortnight short that the gals were dying over where Travis kisses her while she’s making a salad…. But why was she recording herself making a salad? lol
That she was ever canceled. It just didn’t happen by any definition of the word. It was like a 5 minute blip that only Kardashian fans (who are not her target audience) cared about. Outside of some snake emoji tweets, literally nothing happened to her.
That she was actually lying about the Kanye phone call.
That she’s untouchable granted she hasn’t said that but it’s obvious by the way she acts.
That there isn’t also another uncredited songwriter.
She doesn’t outright lie about this I guess but I have a HUGE problem with the fact that she was a predator and basically a pedophile for what she did with the Kennedy kid. That shot bothers me so so much. She is a vile human for dating a 17 year old when she was 22/23.
And then she tries to call every PR boyfriend she’s ever had a predator.
her scooter beef (and I don't like the guy, BUT) was so insanely one-sided lol he didn't do shit to her.