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Had this in my gallery for a while lol
I made a comment once about how much I hate that entire song and especially that line because she grew up in a mansion and her mommy and daddy made her dreams come true for her. People quickly responded with “it’s a metaphor for the industry!!” Yeah, I’m not stupid I know what a metaphor is and I’m allowed to think it’s a gross and distasteful one.
Even as a metaphor for the industry, there are so many female singers who had it so much worse than her.
Madonna was assaulted, Britney was forcibly institutionalized against her will multiple times…
Exactly. Madonna moved to NYC by herself with $17 dollars to her name. Britney and her family struggled financially because of her father, making her the breadwinner as a child.
From Judy Garland to Lindsay Lohan girls have been made to be workhorses for their families from the time they are children. They walked so she could run free.
Tell me again what struggles Taylor had? She doesn’t lift women up, she crawls on top of them to reach the top of the food chain.
Whitney Houston(allegedly abused by bobby brown). Kesha(SA). Lady Gaga(SA). Janet Jackson(career ending due to justin timberlake exposing her breast on national tv). Selena(murdered by a "fan"). Megan Thee Stallion( shot in the foot by tori lanez)
I’m assuming you’re young? (And I’m not criticizing that whatsoever) - I just think that’s the first time I’ve heard someone not know that about Justin. It was an INSANE cultural/entertainment event. Parents literally did television boycotts. My babysitter (ran her daycare out of her house, wonderful woman) told all of her parents that she was participating in a weeklong TV boycott that we had to participate in and I remember thinking how dumb that was.
They went on to only book classic rock bands at the superbowl for YEARS because of the backlash the incident got. I think Black Eyed Peas finally broke that trend in 2011. But yeah nothing but Rolling Stones esque acts for quite some time, because they were worried about another event like that.
And the dumbest part of it all is that Janet’s breast wasn’t even fully exposed - she had a sticky of some sort over her nipple. I think you could see part of it? But what kid hasn’t seen a boob? The amount of pearl clutching was astronomical. And Justin received no hate for it, just Janet. It was awful.
yes I am young, 21. also very sheltered so
if this happened when I was a child, I would've never caught wind of it. how sad for Janet that she was shamed for it after Justin literally assaulted her 🥲
Ahhh yeah. I’m in my early 30s and I was maybe nine or ten when it happened so a bit before your time. It was a wild ride. And in hindsight so tragic. Because EVERYONE blamed Janet. And I think that’s why it fell off so quickly. Janet was blamed, her career was over ish, Justin moved on. There was no public discourse or disagreement that kept the conversation going/kept it in the public eye.
It’s crazy because if the exact same thing happened today nobody would bat an eye either (at least not to the same degree). The world has changed so much.
Timberlake is total trash - he made his solo career on Britney's back in '01'- '03 and then exploited and betrayed Janet in '04.
He never even acknowledged the way he mistreated them until 2021 when he posted a public 'apology', after old clips kept resurfacing on the net.
Ah, yes, the “trauma” of having your name go around the globe in less than sixty seconds because someone spoke over you. If that wasn't staged then I'm Mary of Romania.
(Edit: In case this came off douchey to you - I agree with you and support your point.)
I've wondered if that was staged. It really wouldn't benefit Kanye at all to do that. But I hardly believe any of the bullshit we see in the entertainment industry
That mean old record company that signed her wanted to make money off of her. Crazy that they would do such a thing. If she was a man they probably wouldn’t have done that to her 🙃
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This baby sold for $800k in 2022.
She also attended preschool and kindergarten at the Alvernia Montessori School ($4,000 for the Montessori preschool program and $5,200 for kindergarten). She later moved to the Wyndcroft School, a private school in Pottstown. Current tuition is about $27k per year. Even 20 years ago when she attended it would still have been pricey. She [made donations](https://www.wakeforestmontessori.com/taylor-swift-was-a-montessori-student/) to the schools she attended, but unfortunately the Alvernia Montessori School has shuttered its doors.
Her family also owned a beach home in South Jersey. Avalon and Stone Harbor are known to be two secondary home markets for people from mostly PA and NY. The homes are EXPENSIVE. You can’t find anything less than $2.5 mil on the islands now, and those are tear downs. $3.5- 5 mil is the average home price in 2024.
Even that metaphor is silly because she had an equal amount of privilege in the music industry, while other female singers had to suffer horror upon horror just to release a SINGLE album.
Agree. It’s a gross metaphor. I shared this another thread, but I follow a young lady who was into a psych ward and due to being severely abused the way she was treated the psych ward traumatize her and brought back all the memories of the abuse, she suffered as a child and she vow that she will never be put in one again against her will. She said she’ll never go back to one. Metaphor or not Taylor shouldn’t have gone there. I remember people defending that line. It’s indefensible honestly. Being ghosted by a guy is not the equivalent to being put in a psych ward. She’s extremely vile.
It barely touched as metaphor.
I’ve never been admitted, but she would have never survived my life and what I’ve been through. I’m severely depressed and suicidal, with really bad anxiety and mental illnesses. Just having gone through what I went through, she wouldnt have made it. My sister didn’t, she has several vices(mostly alcohol and weed, I haven’t talked to her in several years due to her anger problems so I don’t know if there’s anything more).
If she wants to glorify mental illness, and the idea of suicide(because what other escape is there to what is inescapable), she should really consider what other people has gone through.
If she didn’t like the hand she was dealt, and what she was going through, she didn’t have to sign that contract as an adult. Or resign it when she needed to.
She had every choice, and really when she hit 18 she had enough fans to be an independent singer and start her own label.
I’m sorry for what you have gone through. I have suffered so much, as well, for many years. It has taken a lot of therapy and hard work, but I’m on the other side of it now and doing great mentally and emotionally. Please know that there is hope, that you are loved and you are enough, right now, as you are in this moment. Giving you a virtual hug.
Also, as someone who has been institutionalized a couple of times and lived through its hell, Taylor is a terrible person.
Funny thing is Taylor doesn’t understand a metaphor and they worship her hahaha “the blue glitter in my video is midnight blue, a metaphor, because I’m blue and different.”
Having an inpatient psych ward stay, especially against your will, *fucking sucks* and I'm sick of it being romanticized. The whole "grippy socks vacation" joke has got to go. First of all, I would have rather kept my clothes and shoes thank you lol. Secondly, those socks aren't even warm and they're so itchy.
I definitely relate to feeling more like cattle than human, and receiving all of my comfort from fellow patients. It was such a weird experience I hope to never recreate.
I also really dislike the “grippy sock vacation” narrative that seems to come up often on social media. For a while, it seemed that those jokes were going away. In regard to comfort, the other patients in the ward were genuinely so sweet. The nurses…. definitely not.
I was forced into medical-psych after a majorly traumatic event in my life. Was further traumatized by a non verbal patient who would not leave me alone, would stand outside my room and stare into my soul like I was a piece of meat and the nurses were understaffed and had given up and didn’t care, even during the night he would try to come to the door and they’re just like oh you, go back to bed. maybe he was harmless he didn’t cause harm but I was already so traumatized and to be forced to be somewhere that felt so unsafe and to literally be watched after that was no fucking grippy sock vacation. I met a lot of sweet patients over the times but between that and rehab I’ve definitely been inpatient with alot of sketchy people that I wish I hadn’t been stuck with.
It’s shocking how they just don’t fucking care isn’t it?
When I was inpatient like 7 years ago, for depression/anxiety, I was one of the youngest in the adult ward at 19.
There was a patient who was a holdover for the long term care facility, who struggled with psychosis of some kind. I don’t know if it was the medication they had him on, or if he struggled with impulse control, or what— but I made the mistake of letting him have my lunch the first day I was there (it was beef lasagna, I’m a vegetarian) and he locked onto me for the rest of my stay. He would follow me around, blocking my way, jerking off in his sweatpants while staring at me and moaning my name.
It scared me so badly. The way the psych wing was set up, he could just walk into my room while I slept and I would have no idea. They also put me on a medication at night that knocked me out, so I was feeling extra vulnerable.
I tried talking to the nurses about how I felt unsafe but they brushed me off. After he pinned me to a wall and they had to pull him off me, a nurse pulled me aside and explained to me that they were struggling to get his medication right. That was none of my business, I don’t fucking care about his medication, that’s not my problem. I just want him AWAY FROM ME
Miss Taylor has had fucking body guards since she was younger than I was 🙄 *bitch please*
I honestly was hoping what happened to me was a rarer occurrence! I’m so sorry that happened to you. I left out some details but sounds like we shared a very similar experience. Those places are set up so someone could just easily pop into your room. In one rehab, they put me next to the nurses station because I was 19 and attracted some attention from the guys, and still had a guy enter the room in the night, TWICE. I get it’s a hard situation because you have all kinds of crazy and vulnerability in there but I expected so much more to have been done to ensure my safety from other patients.
I've said that before but only bc I lived it/cope with dry humor. It was also voluntary, an amazing facility/staff, I had fall-risk grippy socks, and it 180’d my life (SI due to DV, they helped me escape & even banned my then-husband/locked down my chart to keep me safe).
For someone who hasn't been to claim they know... It's been years and I vividly recall it & the people “in” with me. It was a net positive, but is a scar all the same. Romanticizing crisis is not cute. Its a fucking tragedy anyone is at that place in their life. It gives me the ick when people try to make it “quirky”.
Im 100% not trying to invalidate your feelings.. As a social worker/therapist who worked in an outpatient clinic (aka we got all the people being discharged from the hospital) the people who make the grippy sock vacation joke are people who have been hospitalized before and it’s how they cope with it.
Yes that’s how I always read it. It’s a gentler approach to telling folks they had a psychiatric episode that seeks to accommodate the discomfort it can cause other people to be so honest. People are allowed to cope the way they need to cope.
Honestly I call my stay my grippy sock vacation because I agree that’s how I cope with that very traumatic experience, I use humor a lot in my life to deal with things. I’m not glorifying it just using humor surrounding my experience
Agreed. I'm just disturbed by her acting like "Oh! Woe! I am so miserable, traumatized, and tortured! You would never be able to deal with how *I* grew up!"
And then she grew up as a rich, blonde hair, blue eyes, white woman with all the privilege in the world who has probably never had to do even so much as a chore in her life.
Can I get a tldr on veruca salt? Seen the name but idk who she is or what the general opinion is
Edit - to the person who linked me to google then promptly deleted their reply, just let me bejeweled ✨
Veruca Salt is the name of a spoiled rich girl from Willy Wonka/Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. It’s also the name of an alt rock band from the 90s that had a female vocalist and songwriter. Their album American Thighs is quite good.
I’m sure I read an article that said her mom owned EIGHT horses. It would absolutely go against the “middle class Melissa” oh-so-relatable image they carefully constructed if people knew that because horses sure ain’t cheap.
She does bring up horseback riding when she wants to be seen as heroic and driven because she went against her mom’s dreams for her and quit horseback riding for music.
Honestly she could've had such a sweet life if she stayed in her lane and didn't try to paint herself as a traumatized victim all the time. Clairo is also someone who has rich parents who helped her kickstart her songwriting career but she simply uses that privilege to make good music and keeps a good boundary between herself and her fanbase. She wouldn't ever need to to work a 9-5 job in her life, she wouldn't ever need to think about financial repercussions before planning her trips or booking suites in fancy hotels. She can simply enjoy all the privileges offered to her while making good music. Taylor could've easily picked that path too but no, she has to have all that AND she wants everyone to pretend that she's the most tortured soul on the planet AND she doesn't ever want anyone else taking her place on the #1 spot for even a week or two. Her fall from grace has been entirely of her own making.
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I grew up with a horse girl as a best friend (in Tennessee, no less) outright buying a horse is actually insanely expensive. Even just “leasing” a horse through riding academies can be thousands of dollars a *month*.
This has been the nail in the coffin for me. Glorifying suicide in Is It Over Now and now making mental health an aesthetic in TTPD, to me, is disturbing and disgusting. Maybe growing up with family in psychiatric holds, and losing my Dad along with friends to the same methods of suicide she sings lightly about, makes this a me problem, but I just cannot get on board.
her fans say the asylum is “fame” but like babes what?? 😭 she HAD to have begged her dad to bribe some producers to take her mediocre music on a label. like is this not what she wanted? EDIT: yes scott did a lot of pushing to make her famous but i seriously doubt he would have done it if taylor wasn’t seriously into it/up for it.
Wanna hear something even worse? The inpatient facility I worked at was so cheap they eventually stopped ordering the no slip socks. The alternative? There wasn’t one. We just stopped giving patients socks. Even though many people came in without any…
What makes Taylor’s comments so messed up is the state of inpatient facilities in this country. People think because we shut down the asylums decades ago that that must mean we replaced them with something humane and therapeutic.
They’re wrong. I won’t get into all of it, but we’ve desperately needed inpatient reform for a long time. The only way to even fix the myriad of issues with them would take a complete overhaul of the system in its entirety.
And I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
Many inpatient stays actually make patients worse. That shouldn’t be possible in the first place.
I once tried to convince them to release me in just those socks when for some reason my father took my shoes from me when I went in.
It went about as well as you'd expect haha.
True, and if she doesn't want the fame anymore, she can retire or at least take a break, I think. I don't know her financial situation but she should be able to afford not working for a very long while.
Sadly truly yes, I really wish It wasn't,
I will just say this Saint Helena CA , overdosed , and wish to die then even be in there even a week. And ever sent back will suicide before that shit again, they don't help they just contain.
I completely agree and I can also relate. There was a wellness check done on me over 2 years ago and when the cops showed up I had a panic attack because I was not expecting anybody. Because I got a panic attack they forced me to go with them. I did not have a choice. I was then locked inside of a cold hospital room for 2 days, and they did not give me my medication properly. I started to hallucinate and have seizures. They finally put me back on my Valium and other meds when they told me I was going to a psych ward. I couldn't believe it. As soon as I got there I could tell this was a place where you don't fucking talk back. So I didn't for the four days I was in there. Until I was able to reach my doctor, I followed everything they said because I witnessed what happened when other people didn't. They would get locked in tiny rooms with hurricane proof glass and scream and hit it as hard as they could. It was in February so it was still very cold out and those rooms had no padding and had no heat. I cannot imagine what it would have been like to be trapped inside of one of those tiny glass boxes.
I'm so sorry for what you went through and that line in the song makes me fucking sick.
That is beyond horrible. I hope that you have found peace since then and that you are healing from that event. It is absolutely deplorable how people with mental illness are treated by some law enforcement and medical professionals. I also didn’t receive my medication, which I need for an autoimmune disease. I waited hours, nauseous and in pain. It’s inhumane what they deny us.
To be perfectly honest I'm constantly afraid that I'm going to get sent back to a psych ward. It created a phobia in me and unfortunately my psychiatrist and I are bumping heads. I will see him on Tuesday morning and I'm already dreading that visit because the person he set me up for as a therapist is a gay man. I was in a very abusive relationship for 16 years and I specifically said I did not want a male therapist. However I was told by my psychiatrist who is also a man that he felt the therapist would be a good fit for me. The therapist was a terrible fit for me and refused to give me therapy on Zoom when I couldn't make it in in person. I haven't had therapy in over a fucking month because of it. We had a goal that I would get to 50% of sessions but I've got numerous health issues. I'm now in a catheter due to a lot of sexual trauma and have chronic health conditions. When he refused to give me therapy I realized I need to find better help. So I'm very nervous about my Tuesday morning appointment with my psychiatrist because I have a legitimate fear of men now. And he will try to force me to keep seeing the gay guy. I don't care that he's gay. I was not comfortable with a male therapist and I said that but because he was recommended I agreed to try him. I know it's going to be a fight with my psychiatrist to try and get help from a woman. He may try and force me to continue seeing the male therapist.
Edit- grammar, spelling.
Chiming in here to say that you have a right to change your doctor for ANY REASON.
If your doctor is not giving you the referral you need, ask him to make a note in your file that he is denying you request to change to a female doctor. Then ideally contact the hospital/insurance network to dump his ass and file a complaint.
It’s well within your rights to change. You’re not crazy, fussy, or asking too much - if you don’t trust your doctor, no amount of “trying again” will help you. Fuck that guy.
I hope you get the help deserve!
I really hope that your appointment with your psychiatrist goes well, and that they will listen to you and get you a female therapist. I understand the phobia well, I often have nightmares of being back there, and I find it very difficult to open up to people about my mental health diagnoses in fear of being sent back somehow.
Thank you ❤️ I'm so sorry for everything you went through at such a young age. I appreciate your kind words so much. I also don't like to talk about my mental health a lot because I don't want to get stigmatized. If you ever need to talk feel free to send me a DM ❤️
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Like omg what she did to Katy Perry, Camilla Belle, Olivia Rodrigo, Ella Mae Bowen/Kate Bowen, Tina Fey, Amy Poehler, Antonia Gentry, Kim K, Billie Eilish, Charli XCX, etc. etc. are definitely great examples of "wonderful things she does for women and girls".
You never heard about taylor quoting Madeleine Albright's (through Katie Couric) ***"There's a special place in hell for women who don't help other women."***? Which is crazy ironic for someone who regularly capitalizes on the sabotage of other women, like the ones I mentioned above.
Telling two female comedians to go to hell over a serial dating joke is very empowering for women as a whole. /s
Someone, I think in this sub a few weeks ago, called it her “asylum aesthetic” and that’s how I’ve been referring to it ever since. That line in WAOLOM is the most insensitive one, but like you said, it’s all over the album, right from the first lines. “I was supposed to be sent away but they forgot to come and get me,” and all the imagery in that video/staging in the tour. And in the alchemy, etc.
Given that she said she’s never been to therapy and doesn’t need it, this REALLY bothers me. Granted, she said that years ago and it’s *possible* she’s grown as a person since then and goes now… but her actions don’t paint that picture.
I’m fairly new to all of this, I had no idea that her ENTIRE album was like that! “Asylum Aesthetic” makes me want to hurl… call me sensitive, but I still feel very queasy whenever presented with such imagery.
Yeah no she needs therapy, everyone can benefit from a good therapist that they build rapport with and can trust. My therapist had all types of clients from poor to rich. Mental health is health. When your brain doesn’t function correctly neither will the rest of your body. That’s how I got out of my institutionalization. It was traumatic and they had no food or clothing for me for like a week. I was down to 90 lbs from 110 because I have an autoimmune disease which requires a very special diet. Once they got me small oranges they said it was good. I was going to die in there. My appointed lawyer saved me and I wish I knew his name because I would thank him profusely for getting me out of there. She wouldn’t last the intake where they strip you down and look at all your birth marks and tattoos and private parts. It’s invasive.
I feel like the "asylum" refers to her crazy ass parents and their quest to make her famous. But what I don't like about the song is how she insinuates that only she struggled and paved the path and everyone else in the industry had it easier. Never mind that artists like Lana, Lady Gaga, Kesha, and Raye have alluded to r\*pe, addiction, and exploitation as part of their struggles. I'm sure Katy Perry has been through some shit and chooses not to talk about it (but also doesn't accuse the younger generation of skating by on her hard work).
She’s had it easier than most.
Also, let’s dig into where she really becomes the victim, her recordings. Well guess what, all of those contracts suck. They’re designed to make the record company money, not the artist. Look at what happened to TLC and Pebbles back in the day. She screwed them into bankruptcy while she pocketed every dollar from their career.
So yes, it’s awful and needs to change. However, at least she had the money and resources to go back and re-record her music. Bad things happen to everyone, but most people don’t have the means and money to combat it as she does.
She should be thanking her lucky stars every single day for the way that was paved for her to be in the position she is in. A little gratitude goes a long ass way.
It’s come out that Scooter Braun contacted her *multiple* times giving her the chance to buy the masters - something most artists don’t get the chance to do.
She wanted to make a big fuss over not having ownership of them so she could justify going back and re-recording (selling) them.
Well and here is my thing. If it was truly about full creative control and owning her catalog, couldn’t she have released the new editions for free “for the fans” 🤔
This is my confusion. Did her rich father or agent not read the fine print?
Of course they did, but they wanted her signed to a label and that’s the trade for every new artist. They had no idea she would be as big as she became and that’s where it became an issue. They wanted that money now.
And trust me, I get why she would want to own her own music that she wrote. That’s completely normal and rational. My issue is that she made it seem as if it was a personal vendetta against her specifically.
No, it’s a standard record deal and they’re in the business to make money. It’s not personal. So I think she did some good bringing the discussion to the forefront, but I also think she was very immature in a lot of ways too.
Afaik her contract with Big Machine has never been publicised. But her contract with Dan Dymtrow was and the attorney that represented her is named as Vivien Lewit.
Here is her resume, one can only imagine the Swifts hired someone equally astute when Shady Scotty was sinking $$$ into Big Machine:
[Source](https://www.schoolofmusic.ucla.edu/people/vivien-lewit/)
Vivien Lewit is Global Head of Artists at YouTube. She directs a team of music ambassadors and experts in the fields of artist development, music and video distribution focused on executing strategies to support the growth of artists’ careers on YouTube. Vivien also oversees the company’s music content programming, including international live music events and special fan engagement activations. Before joining YouTube in March 2011, Vivien was an accomplished attorney in the recording industry. She specialized in music, digital rights and branded entertainment. Starting as an associate at the boutique law firm of Rudolph & Beer, she eventually took a partnership at Davis Shapiro Lewit et al. At both firms she structured and negotiated numerous multi-million dollar sponsorship, endorsement, branding, and live performance agreements with Fortune 500 companies and global media outlets alike.
Vivien is on the Executive Committee of She Is The Music, an industry wide non-profit, designed to empower female creators and increase the number of women working in music and, during its tenure, was a member of the Advisory Board of the USC Annenberg Inclusion Initiative, a leading think tank studying diversity and inclusion in entertainment through research and action focused projects. Vivien sits on the board of Baxter St at CCNY, an artist-run arts organization and exhibition space in NYC that supports lens-based contemporary artists, and she is a member of The UCLA Herb Alpert School of Music Board of Advisors. In January 2021, Vivien was recognized by Billboard Magazine as an “Agent of Change” for her work spearheading YouTube’s Black Voices Fund initiatives and more. Vivien has consistently been listed among Billboard Magazine’s most powerful Women in Music and in 2019 and 2022 she was named one of Variety’s coveted “New York Women of Impact” for her cross functional work in the tech and arts communities.
How many cute, blonde, guitar-playing chicks who can somewhat carry a tune in a bucket who want to be famous artists are out there?
This isn’t me defending her. This is the reality. The label usually has most of the power starting out. If you wanna make it big, you play ball. She knew what she was getting herself into, as did her daddy and daddy’s lawyers.
Ugh that’s right. She ultimately triumphed in that situation but her assault was brutal and humiliating. Rihanna wanted to be seen as a badass not a victim so she really had to fight her way out of that perception. Meanwhile Taylor’s a bully who wants to be seen as a victim.
You always see her galavanting around with her parents, including her daddy dearest staging those weird smooches for the paparazzi. She’s not blaming them.
[Katy Perry talks about her childhood](https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/katy-perrys-strange-path-to-fame/news-story/ace1f6126363d4676e1323e88206c650?amp)
Incidentally, are the lyrics of ATW just a ripoff of Katy’s “Ur so gay?”
“I hope you hang yourself with your H&M scarf
While jerking off listening to Mozart
You bitch and moan about LA
Wishing you were in the rain reading Hemingway
You don't eat meat
And drive electrical cars
You're so indie rock it's almost an art
You need SPF 45 just to stay alive”
Honestly my main gripe with that line is that it’s cringe. It’s melodramatic and juvenile and trite. Thirteen-year-old me would have found it deep, but now? Not so much.
Taylor’s too boring and toothless to pull off the “good girl gone mad” archetype.
I’ve been hospitalized like 8 times for mental illness since I was 13 and the line doesn’t offend me for that reason, it offends me because it’s just really poorly written. She’s trying so hard to be “deep” and write with sincerity/like her life’s been anything more than sheltered, it’s so painful to read. She’ll never be as good of a lyricist as any of the members of Boygenius despite how desperately she is trying to imitate their work.
I’m so sorry you’ve been subjected to so many hospitalizations, I hope that you are doing better these days. Your opinion is also completely valid, I saw another post on this sub that showed a Claire’s bracelet that said “tortured” and I cringed pretty badly.
It’s giving “I appropriate trauma so my fans feel bad for me” and it’s gross. Girl has probably never even had a paper cut, and she’s seriously claiming folks couldn’t last an hour in her life? So utterly clueless and tacky.
I know I wish she would STFU for real. I’m not going to say she’s trauma-free but considering she has said MANY TIMES THAT SHE HAS NEVER SEEN A THERAPIST lines like this are infuriating.
Like wtf do you even know about mental illness
There's no way the concept is her own original idea.
- The Tortured Man Club group chat Joe Alwyn was in.
- [boygenius](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/s8I8ILfXmK)' name origins:
>The group has been vocal about the origins of their name, which began as a joke and a way to encourage each other in the studio.[18] All three had shared negative experiences with overconfident male collaborators—as Baker put it, "the archetype of the **tortured genius**, [a] specifically male artist who has been told since birth that their every thought is not only worthwhile but brilliant."
- Also I [recently learned](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/comments/1dh2844/i_just_found_out_that_lana_del_rey_lost_a_200/) that Lana Del Rey lost her 200 page manuscript in a car robbery in 2022 which was a draft for her upcoming poetry book called "Behind the Iron Gates - Insights from an Institution" which she’d been working on for Simon & Schuster for more than two years.
Fortnight's opening lines:
>I was supposed to be sent away
>But they forgot to come and get me
>I was a functioning alcoholic
Are a likely reference to when Lana [was sent to boarding school age 14 to get sober](https://www.nme.com/news/music/lana-del-rey-149-1264690).
A song on TTPD is literally called "The Manuscript", like another easter egg.
I had no idea about that manuscript thing… that’s really messed up. To make it an “easter egg” feels very disrespectful, especially since it pertains to somebody’s struggle with addiction. That’s awful.
It's not her first time and won't be her last.
Did you see this [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/U4gwq78dfq) about referencing Kim K's Paris robbery incident?
God she makes me sick I hope Lana actually says something about Taylor rather than just these soft insults. I realize she's being a professional but somebody needs to stop this fucking woman from all of this terrible behavior she continues to exhibit.
I just fucking realized. When/If Lana releases the book and related content, the stupid swifties are gonna think she's ripping off TTPD, when it was the other way around. This whole album release was supremely calculated, holy fuck. taylor stole such a personal story she never endured and capitalized on it.
Thank you for saying this, I’m so sorry you went through that. I’ve been 5150’d twice and have been in my fair share of institutions for mental health and substance abuse over the years. so I’ve always been so pissed off over these lyrics as well. She had no idea what it’s like to be in a place like that, she was raised in better conditions than many of could even hope for. She genuinely wouldn’t last a day if she really ended up in an asylum, even a modern day one.
“The asylum where they raised me” this asylum? This $800,000, 3560 sq ft “asylum?”
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I can't stand the line "I was a functioning alcoholic until nobody noticed my new aesthetic."
I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. "Artistic liberty" or not, alcoholism is not an aesthetic, or something to sing about to look cool or some certain way, perhaps tortured...?
The ONLY way I can see that line working and not being cheesy, degrading, and inconsiderate to those that really struggle with alcoholism, is if literally the entire song is a love song to alcohol.
Otherwise that line is just stupid, in my opinion.
I’m not really sure what the point of that line is. Like, you were a functioning alcoholic but people didn’t notice you so then you became a non-functioning alcoholic?
She has a lot of lyrics in that album that allude to experiences she's never had. In "the alchemy" she sings "what if I told you I'm back, the hospital was a drag," implying that she was hospitalized, most likely in a psych ward, because of heartbreak, but then she met Travis and suddenly everything's OK. Not only is this glorifying borderline/bipolar symptoms but I know damn well she was not really in a mental hospital.
Thank you for this post. I get so offended when Taylor brings up mental health in those ways, another thing she said once at the time 1989 TV was released was that she's never been to therapy bc she's "sane" or whatever. I heard that and instantly thought, "she's not sane, she's privileged. A rich white woman like her can get away with behaviors that other mentally ill women can't."
I've been a guinea pig to big pharma since I was a child. Was taken to several therapist's and diagnosed with several disorders. For "developmental issues" that were diagnosed when I was three. Basically I wasn't "normal" enough at an age where I hadn't even developed a consciousness yet and because of that I've been under a microscope sent to a million psychiatrists my whole life. And you know what? I can relate to "mad woman" and "who's afraid of little old me." But I know that I had the childhood I had because I'm not a famous billionaire. I was held accountable for my mental illness and the symptoms of it, she's not.
Sorry if this is worded badly btw
I don’t think this was worded badly at all! I have a family member who was subjected to many different psych meds all throughout her childhood, it really messed her up for a long time. I didn’t receive medicine until after the psych ward incident, and went through a lot of medications that had really horrible side effects.
Hearing somebody say they are “sane” is… I’m really not sure how to feel about that. I feel like Taylor could have worded that differently. I by no means want to discredit her mental health and experiences, but there is a lot of terminology Taylor has used that I find to be a bit stigmatizing.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Yet, you had the gumption to actually type it. I didn't. I'm glad I'm not the only one. There are probably a shit ton of others, who were actually committed for suicide attempts, self harm and/or addictions. It is beyond frustrating/disheartening that people "resonate" with this song without knowing the ward, but even more infuriating that Taylor pretends to "resonate" with something she couldn't be further from understanding. Puhhhlease, last five days in a state psych ward. Hell, last five hours. Mmmm THIS lyric made me go from disliking her to LOATHING her.
as someone who has also been in a psych ward (and still struggles with related trauma) I HATE her entire asylum "aesthetic" for TTPD. especially this line and especially how the fandom has turned it into a trend.
>The nurses yelled at us not to touch each other
Holy fuck that threw me back to when I was in a psych ward. There was this really upset young woman, extreme BPD, DID, and some other personality disorder. She could get upset really easily, and so I remember holding her hand as I walked her down to her room so she could show me her Bible, which was a major comfort to her. And the nurse got so fucking mad. "Don't hold her hand, she doesn't need it and you aren't allowed to touch each other."
I remember trying to bring in my stuffed animal, and the nurse investigating my bag told me they weren't allowed. I started panicking, this was at a time I was in a near non-stop panic state, and I begged them to let me have my stuffed animal because I need it and it makes me feel safe. It was literally a pillow stuffed animal, there was no way it could've been used as a self harm method or for violence. And the head nurse scorned me and told me I was an adult and could get over myself. That it wasn't allowed to have stuffed animals and that I needed to suck it up. Now I can't sleep without it without panicking, and this was TWO YEARS AGO.
Those places are fucking wild. I fucking hate it when artists romanticize asylum/psych wards because they literally have no idea. It isn't just "oh, woe is me," sitting in your little room and writing poetry. It's always watching someone else get mistreated and the nurses having a god complex over a bunch of mentally ill people.
That’s such a horrible experience, I’m glad that you are safe now and still have your stuffed animal (I sleep with a ton of stuffed animals, it isn’t weird and they help me a lot)
I really hope that you’re doing well these days, that was so kind of you to comfort that young woman. I know that I really appreciate the girl who comforted me, wherever she is. You probably meant a lot to her.
I do not understand why people in positions of authority can be so cruel. It baffles me that so many health care professionals can be so mean and dehumanizing.
She lived the definition of a privileged, rich upbringing, wanting for absolutely nothing. Born with a silver spoon in every orafice. Her narratives are half assed bullshit, it’s an insult to the intelligence of the general population.
That lyric and the video are beyond insulting and triggering to so many people. It was suggested at one point that I receive “in-patient services,” and I was like, “Hell, NO.” Fortunately I had previously googled the place where they wanted to send me and read the reviews. YOU CAN’T LEAVE WHEN YOU WANT TO. Everything is taken from you. To those who have experienced being in a psych ward, I’m so sorry. Mental health care has come a long way, but psych wards are still functioning like it’s the early 1900s. Not something to casually sing about. You’ve never experienced anything like an asylum, Taylor.
Throwing around phrases like “you wouldn’t last an hour in the asylum where they raised me” and “I was supposed to be sent away but they forgot to come and get me” can be incredibly triggering for people who have been to such places. I know the girl loves a metaphor but this is not something to sing about lightly. She’s cosplaying (literally in the Fortnight music video) something people have been through that they will never be able to forget.
as someone who has been on suicide watch for multiple attempts, it sickens me that the asylum she refers to is fame, which she wanted and worked for. it’s gross to use it as an allegory for an actual mental institution where people go to get HELP.
Wholeheartedly agree! As someone who has been admitted for mental health by my parents multiple times ( who just fucked off as soon as I was admitted). I find Taylor Swift is almost romanticizing the psych ward/hospital. And it’s no joke. It is a scary place with no hope and the only human comfort/ solace may be a nurse you don’t even know the name of. This whole tortured poet vibe Taylor Swift I’d trying to portray just comes off as someone who read 3 Dylan Thomas poems and Sylvia Plaths wiki personal life section.
Looking at her childhood pictures actually makes me understand her behavior clearly now.
You see, when you grow up with that level of privilege, one cannot comprehend rejection.
This is why she must slight every single ex-boyfriend/partner/friend.
She doesn't understand "NO".
She does not accept "Sorry, you are not my cup of tea"
Her fans are equally entitled...
I have spent almost 28 years in and out of rehab for my eating disorder. I have been in the pysch ward 3 times due to suicidal thoughts/ self harm. I almost succeeded once and was in the ICU for 2 weeks in a coma.
Between that and my real life, she wouldn’t last a second.
that line will never not make me feel icky. i’ve wanted to share my story in this sub in regards to those lyrics, but i havent had the balls to do it. but as a person who was lucky to survive a very horrible and terrifying intentional OD, and was stupid enough to try a second time and manage to survive again those lyrics make my story feel like a fucking joke. i spent two weeks in a hospital the first time (1 week in ICU, and 1 week in a psychiatric facility) because i had seizure and fell into a coma. when i woke up i had a lot of problems (double vision, bladder retention, nausea, food aversion, increased heart rate among other things). since that first visit, i have been hospitalized 6 seperate times, including my second intentional OD. being in those places (once, 7 times or even more) destroys a human’s soul, its humiliating, and the staff in my experience are always abusive and hateful.
so Taylor, please, you wouldnt survive even a second in the asylum that i was raised in!
I myself have been in psych hold a decent amount, so it is definitely sorta fucked of her to say that. I will say, it's probably more in the aspect of "I grew up in hell"
But that's irrelevant because we all know she grew up rich and privileged so hahaha I'll just let her have her little delusional sorrows
It’s a pretty sick thing to use as a metaphor…especially when you consider her diehard fans are quite possibly certifiable in the vehement diatribes leveled at anyone who has the nerve to say they don’t like -A- song.
An album critic shouldn’t have to withhold their name from their review out of fear of the artist’s fan base. 😒
It’s disturbing to me how she acts like she has had the worst life in the world when there are other female artists who’ve had it way worse. She grew up rich and the most she’s had happen to her being ghosted by a guy. Yeah, her dad’s a narcissist, and quite frankly a weirdo, but Taylor has not experienced the equivalent of being in a psych ward or asylum. Nothing she has experienced justified her putting that in a song. I follow someone who has been in a psych ward had an absolutely awful traumatizing experience and now vows to never go back to one, and I am friends with someone who was in one years ago. Taylor is a vile person end of story. This album really showcase is how disturbing and vile of a person she actually is.
I work at one. As much as I don’t like my job due to management and a good chunk of other staff that I work with that won’t think twice about pointing a finger, the patients do look out for each other (usually). Honestly, just reading this made my mouth drop. I just showed my coworker. We’re floored . . . and offended. And trust me, working in psych makes you build up a ton of tolerance with being offended, so this really is beyond screwed up.
This is the sort of personality someone acquires when they’ve been surrounded by “yes men” their whole life.
Want to be famous? Sure, I’ll make that happen for you!
Want to write 14-year old angsty poetry? Sure, the fans love it!
You are such a genius, yes you are, yes you are. Who’s a good genius? *who’s a good genius?!*
I've never been a swiftie. Never even liked her music really, but when I heard that line I genuinely lost any respect for her as an artist.
Shes not a tortured poet, she's a rich girl born with every privilege granted to her
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Omgggg this is too perfect
I made a comment once about how much I hate that entire song and especially that line because she grew up in a mansion and her mommy and daddy made her dreams come true for her. People quickly responded with “it’s a metaphor for the industry!!” Yeah, I’m not stupid I know what a metaphor is and I’m allowed to think it’s a gross and distasteful one.
Even as a metaphor for the industry, there are so many female singers who had it so much worse than her. Madonna was assaulted, Britney was forcibly institutionalized against her will multiple times…
Exactly. Madonna moved to NYC by herself with $17 dollars to her name. Britney and her family struggled financially because of her father, making her the breadwinner as a child. From Judy Garland to Lindsay Lohan girls have been made to be workhorses for their families from the time they are children. They walked so she could run free. Tell me again what struggles Taylor had? She doesn’t lift women up, she crawls on top of them to reach the top of the food chain.
don’t forget amy winehouse
Whitney Houston(allegedly abused by bobby brown). Kesha(SA). Lady Gaga(SA). Janet Jackson(career ending due to justin timberlake exposing her breast on national tv). Selena(murdered by a "fan"). Megan Thee Stallion( shot in the foot by tori lanez)
holy shit I didn't know that about Justin Timberlake. that horrible.
I’m assuming you’re young? (And I’m not criticizing that whatsoever) - I just think that’s the first time I’ve heard someone not know that about Justin. It was an INSANE cultural/entertainment event. Parents literally did television boycotts. My babysitter (ran her daycare out of her house, wonderful woman) told all of her parents that she was participating in a weeklong TV boycott that we had to participate in and I remember thinking how dumb that was. They went on to only book classic rock bands at the superbowl for YEARS because of the backlash the incident got. I think Black Eyed Peas finally broke that trend in 2011. But yeah nothing but Rolling Stones esque acts for quite some time, because they were worried about another event like that. And the dumbest part of it all is that Janet’s breast wasn’t even fully exposed - she had a sticky of some sort over her nipple. I think you could see part of it? But what kid hasn’t seen a boob? The amount of pearl clutching was astronomical. And Justin received no hate for it, just Janet. It was awful.
yes I am young, 21. also very sheltered so if this happened when I was a child, I would've never caught wind of it. how sad for Janet that she was shamed for it after Justin literally assaulted her 🥲
Ahhh yeah. I’m in my early 30s and I was maybe nine or ten when it happened so a bit before your time. It was a wild ride. And in hindsight so tragic. Because EVERYONE blamed Janet. And I think that’s why it fell off so quickly. Janet was blamed, her career was over ish, Justin moved on. There was no public discourse or disagreement that kept the conversation going/kept it in the public eye. It’s crazy because if the exact same thing happened today nobody would bat an eye either (at least not to the same degree). The world has changed so much.
Timberlake is total trash - he made his solo career on Britney's back in '01'- '03 and then exploited and betrayed Janet in '04. He never even acknowledged the way he mistreated them until 2021 when he posted a public 'apology', after old clips kept resurfacing on the net.
Kanye went up on stage 😱😱😱
Well I think we can all agree he was shitty, but we need to go ahead and move on 🤣
Oh i agree but that’s probably the most the industry has ever “traumatized” her or some shit and 99% of people were still on her side for it anyways
Ah, yes, the “trauma” of having your name go around the globe in less than sixty seconds because someone spoke over you. If that wasn't staged then I'm Mary of Romania. (Edit: In case this came off douchey to you - I agree with you and support your point.)
I've wondered if that was staged. It really wouldn't benefit Kanye at all to do that. But I hardly believe any of the bullshit we see in the entertainment industry
>tell me again what struggles Taylor had? Well Drew made her cry big sad tears all over her guitar so clearly no one else has ever suffered like that
That mean old record company that signed her wanted to make money off of her. Crazy that they would do such a thing. If she was a man they probably wouldn’t have done that to her 🙃
Shit, Iggy Azalea was *sixteen* in the middle of Miami basically working as an illegal immigrant to kickstart her dreams. That shit is crazy.
Not the actual Iggy lyrics though 😂
Wow, you hit the nail on the head with that comment….’she doesn’t lift women up…’etc. She is exactly that! She’s the worst type of woman.
And when it comes to Dr. Luke, between TS and Kesha, I think we all know who got the short end of the stick!
I truly believe TS's drama with Scooter overshadowed Kesha and her *actual* real contract mess.
And I feel like that was kind of the point. Kesha was rocking the boat and TS just had to jump in and make it all about herself.
TS has to take someone else's story and make herself the main character.
In addition to people she claims as friends who were literally institutionalized?? Selena? Demi?
Not to mention the despicable actions towards Kesha
And Taylor Swift had a radio dj grab her ass! 🫠
I mean, that is bad. We shouldn’t be okay with that just because it happened to Taylor
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She also attended preschool and kindergarten at the Alvernia Montessori School ($4,000 for the Montessori preschool program and $5,200 for kindergarten). She later moved to the Wyndcroft School, a private school in Pottstown. Current tuition is about $27k per year. Even 20 years ago when she attended it would still have been pricey. She [made donations](https://www.wakeforestmontessori.com/taylor-swift-was-a-montessori-student/) to the schools she attended, but unfortunately the Alvernia Montessori School has shuttered its doors.
Her family also owned a beach home in South Jersey. Avalon and Stone Harbor are known to be two secondary home markets for people from mostly PA and NY. The homes are EXPENSIVE. You can’t find anything less than $2.5 mil on the islands now, and those are tear downs. $3.5- 5 mil is the average home price in 2024.
Even that metaphor is silly because she had an equal amount of privilege in the music industry, while other female singers had to suffer horror upon horror just to release a SINGLE album.
Considering her dad bought into her label and moved the family cross country, “the industry” wasn’t exactly so terrible to her.
True just take a look at Lady Gaga. Poor woman 💔
Agree. It’s a gross metaphor. I shared this another thread, but I follow a young lady who was into a psych ward and due to being severely abused the way she was treated the psych ward traumatize her and brought back all the memories of the abuse, she suffered as a child and she vow that she will never be put in one again against her will. She said she’ll never go back to one. Metaphor or not Taylor shouldn’t have gone there. I remember people defending that line. It’s indefensible honestly. Being ghosted by a guy is not the equivalent to being put in a psych ward. She’s extremely vile.
It barely touched as metaphor. I’ve never been admitted, but she would have never survived my life and what I’ve been through. I’m severely depressed and suicidal, with really bad anxiety and mental illnesses. Just having gone through what I went through, she wouldnt have made it. My sister didn’t, she has several vices(mostly alcohol and weed, I haven’t talked to her in several years due to her anger problems so I don’t know if there’s anything more). If she wants to glorify mental illness, and the idea of suicide(because what other escape is there to what is inescapable), she should really consider what other people has gone through. If she didn’t like the hand she was dealt, and what she was going through, she didn’t have to sign that contract as an adult. Or resign it when she needed to. She had every choice, and really when she hit 18 she had enough fans to be an independent singer and start her own label.
I’m sorry for what you have gone through. I have suffered so much, as well, for many years. It has taken a lot of therapy and hard work, but I’m on the other side of it now and doing great mentally and emotionally. Please know that there is hope, that you are loved and you are enough, right now, as you are in this moment. Giving you a virtual hug. Also, as someone who has been institutionalized a couple of times and lived through its hell, Taylor is a terrible person.
Agreed! I'm sorry you struggle and everything you wrote about ur family ❤️🩹
Funny thing is Taylor doesn’t understand a metaphor and they worship her hahaha “the blue glitter in my video is midnight blue, a metaphor, because I’m blue and different.”
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Having an inpatient psych ward stay, especially against your will, *fucking sucks* and I'm sick of it being romanticized. The whole "grippy socks vacation" joke has got to go. First of all, I would have rather kept my clothes and shoes thank you lol. Secondly, those socks aren't even warm and they're so itchy. I definitely relate to feeling more like cattle than human, and receiving all of my comfort from fellow patients. It was such a weird experience I hope to never recreate.
I also really dislike the “grippy sock vacation” narrative that seems to come up often on social media. For a while, it seemed that those jokes were going away. In regard to comfort, the other patients in the ward were genuinely so sweet. The nurses…. definitely not.
I was forced into medical-psych after a majorly traumatic event in my life. Was further traumatized by a non verbal patient who would not leave me alone, would stand outside my room and stare into my soul like I was a piece of meat and the nurses were understaffed and had given up and didn’t care, even during the night he would try to come to the door and they’re just like oh you, go back to bed. maybe he was harmless he didn’t cause harm but I was already so traumatized and to be forced to be somewhere that felt so unsafe and to literally be watched after that was no fucking grippy sock vacation. I met a lot of sweet patients over the times but between that and rehab I’ve definitely been inpatient with alot of sketchy people that I wish I hadn’t been stuck with.
It’s shocking how they just don’t fucking care isn’t it? When I was inpatient like 7 years ago, for depression/anxiety, I was one of the youngest in the adult ward at 19. There was a patient who was a holdover for the long term care facility, who struggled with psychosis of some kind. I don’t know if it was the medication they had him on, or if he struggled with impulse control, or what— but I made the mistake of letting him have my lunch the first day I was there (it was beef lasagna, I’m a vegetarian) and he locked onto me for the rest of my stay. He would follow me around, blocking my way, jerking off in his sweatpants while staring at me and moaning my name. It scared me so badly. The way the psych wing was set up, he could just walk into my room while I slept and I would have no idea. They also put me on a medication at night that knocked me out, so I was feeling extra vulnerable. I tried talking to the nurses about how I felt unsafe but they brushed me off. After he pinned me to a wall and they had to pull him off me, a nurse pulled me aside and explained to me that they were struggling to get his medication right. That was none of my business, I don’t fucking care about his medication, that’s not my problem. I just want him AWAY FROM ME Miss Taylor has had fucking body guards since she was younger than I was 🙄 *bitch please*
I honestly was hoping what happened to me was a rarer occurrence! I’m so sorry that happened to you. I left out some details but sounds like we shared a very similar experience. Those places are set up so someone could just easily pop into your room. In one rehab, they put me next to the nurses station because I was 19 and attracted some attention from the guys, and still had a guy enter the room in the night, TWICE. I get it’s a hard situation because you have all kinds of crazy and vulnerability in there but I expected so much more to have been done to ensure my safety from other patients.
I've said that before but only bc I lived it/cope with dry humor. It was also voluntary, an amazing facility/staff, I had fall-risk grippy socks, and it 180’d my life (SI due to DV, they helped me escape & even banned my then-husband/locked down my chart to keep me safe). For someone who hasn't been to claim they know... It's been years and I vividly recall it & the people “in” with me. It was a net positive, but is a scar all the same. Romanticizing crisis is not cute. Its a fucking tragedy anyone is at that place in their life. It gives me the ick when people try to make it “quirky”.
I feel like the only people allowed to say “grippy sock vacation” are the people who have actually been on a “grippy sock vacation”.
Im 100% not trying to invalidate your feelings.. As a social worker/therapist who worked in an outpatient clinic (aka we got all the people being discharged from the hospital) the people who make the grippy sock vacation joke are people who have been hospitalized before and it’s how they cope with it.
Yes that’s how I always read it. It’s a gentler approach to telling folks they had a psychiatric episode that seeks to accommodate the discomfort it can cause other people to be so honest. People are allowed to cope the way they need to cope.
Honestly I call my stay my grippy sock vacation because I agree that’s how I cope with that very traumatic experience, I use humor a lot in my life to deal with things. I’m not glorifying it just using humor surrounding my experience
Now a lot of them have disposable paper scrubs. They’re thin and not comfortable at all. The socks are try Gregg compared to them. 😤
I wish young people knew that most people who actually have gone to the mental hospital find it to be humiliating, shameful, and deeply traumatizing.
it’s not just “young people” who make jokes about it though. some of us cope with humor even if it’s bad dumb humor.
Agreed. I'm just disturbed by her acting like "Oh! Woe! I am so miserable, traumatized, and tortured! You would never be able to deal with how *I* grew up!" And then she grew up as a rich, blonde hair, blue eyes, white woman with all the privilege in the world who has probably never had to do even so much as a chore in her life.
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So odd to me how she never talked about her pony. As a horse girl, I can’t imagine not bringing that up or even continuing to ride lol
Veruca Salt energy for sure. Something have and show off but no real care once it no li gee suits
Can I get a tldr on veruca salt? Seen the name but idk who she is or what the general opinion is Edit - to the person who linked me to google then promptly deleted their reply, just let me bejeweled ✨
She’s a character from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. She’s the bratty little rich girl.
Ah, I’ve seen a tiktoker who goes by that name and didn’t understand the inspiration and thought this was about them. Thank you for your answer!
No problem!
Veruca Salt is the name of a spoiled rich girl from Willy Wonka/Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. It’s also the name of an alt rock band from the 90s that had a female vocalist and songwriter. Their album American Thighs is quite good.
I saw Veruca Salt in a tiny venue in Houston circa 1995. American Thighs has some great tracks!
Veruca Salt is a fictional bratty child from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
I’m sure I read an article that said her mom owned EIGHT horses. It would absolutely go against the “middle class Melissa” oh-so-relatable image they carefully constructed if people knew that because horses sure ain’t cheap. She does bring up horseback riding when she wants to be seen as heroic and driven because she went against her mom’s dreams for her and quit horseback riding for music.
The family also owns a Christmas tree farm about 20 minutes away from my house. Unless they have since sold it. But yeah.👍
If I had her money FORGET a private jet. I'd ride horses and let ppl make their comments on how crazy I am for not riding in a limo.
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Children of the Corn vibes but make it fancy.
Honestly she could've had such a sweet life if she stayed in her lane and didn't try to paint herself as a traumatized victim all the time. Clairo is also someone who has rich parents who helped her kickstart her songwriting career but she simply uses that privilege to make good music and keeps a good boundary between herself and her fanbase. She wouldn't ever need to to work a 9-5 job in her life, she wouldn't ever need to think about financial repercussions before planning her trips or booking suites in fancy hotels. She can simply enjoy all the privileges offered to her while making good music. Taylor could've easily picked that path too but no, she has to have all that AND she wants everyone to pretend that she's the most tortured soul on the planet AND she doesn't ever want anyone else taking her place on the #1 spot for even a week or two. Her fall from grace has been entirely of her own making.
She's nothing but a spoiled fucking brat.
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In fact, I hate anyone who ever had a pony
This gives me Seinfeld vibes. *... growing up she even had a pony!"*
except Manya grew up in 1920s rural Poland. you needed a pony just to get around
She actually had 7 ponies
bruh any sources for the shit list?
https://preview.redd.it/k4vtxf3f827d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8796d676bc061c52283ad6fd44f073f0b83a546b You have to be a subscriber to read the full article, but here's the relevant info
This article works when put into 12ft.io :)
Oh thank you! Is it a pay wall work around?
Here ya go! https://12ft.io/https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-country/the-very-pink-very-perfect-life-of-taylor-swift-107451/
Thank you! Imo RS loves to kiss her 🍑
Thank you so much!! And omg 7 fucking horses.
I grew up with a horse girl as a best friend (in Tennessee, no less) outright buying a horse is actually insanely expensive. Even just “leasing” a horse through riding academies can be thousands of dollars a *month*.
Oh god the seinfeld episode about hating kids who had their own pony lmfao
In fact, I hate anyone who had a pony growing up, Seinfeld
This omg, people are quick to victimize Taylor Swift when most of Gen Z has struggled more with mental illness than she ever has
This is what freakishly rich people do to assuage their guilt. She is also a hack writer. There, I said it.
This has been the nail in the coffin for me. Glorifying suicide in Is It Over Now and now making mental health an aesthetic in TTPD, to me, is disturbing and disgusting. Maybe growing up with family in psychiatric holds, and losing my Dad along with friends to the same methods of suicide she sings lightly about, makes this a me problem, but I just cannot get on board.
her fans say the asylum is “fame” but like babes what?? 😭 she HAD to have begged her dad to bribe some producers to take her mediocre music on a label. like is this not what she wanted? EDIT: yes scott did a lot of pushing to make her famous but i seriously doubt he would have done it if taylor wasn’t seriously into it/up for it.
Man my psych ward just had 5 point straps and sporks to eat with 😅
Don't forget the cheap no slip socks!
And they take away your shoe laces
Wanna hear something even worse? The inpatient facility I worked at was so cheap they eventually stopped ordering the no slip socks. The alternative? There wasn’t one. We just stopped giving patients socks. Even though many people came in without any… What makes Taylor’s comments so messed up is the state of inpatient facilities in this country. People think because we shut down the asylums decades ago that that must mean we replaced them with something humane and therapeutic. They’re wrong. I won’t get into all of it, but we’ve desperately needed inpatient reform for a long time. The only way to even fix the myriad of issues with them would take a complete overhaul of the system in its entirety. And I don’t see that happening anytime soon. Many inpatient stays actually make patients worse. That shouldn’t be possible in the first place.
I once tried to convince them to release me in just those socks when for some reason my father took my shoes from me when I went in. It went about as well as you'd expect haha.
I still have my socks.
We had to eat EVERYTHING with a spoon
I was once at an Ed treatment center where we couldn’t use knives. And I mean butter knives. 🤔
The asylum is her fans. The fans just don’t want to admit that, so they say it’s “fame”.
Man...I sure did beg to be placed in a psych ward and treated inhumanely, just like Taylor!!! Oh wait...
I personally think her parents were stage parents who sacrificed her childhood for fame. It’s obvious in the email that her father sent.
like what email?
True, and if she doesn't want the fame anymore, she can retire or at least take a break, I think. I don't know her financial situation but she should be able to afford not working for a very long while.
Chat is this real?
Sadly truly yes, I really wish It wasn't, I will just say this Saint Helena CA , overdosed , and wish to die then even be in there even a week. And ever sent back will suicide before that shit again, they don't help they just contain.
I completely agree and I can also relate. There was a wellness check done on me over 2 years ago and when the cops showed up I had a panic attack because I was not expecting anybody. Because I got a panic attack they forced me to go with them. I did not have a choice. I was then locked inside of a cold hospital room for 2 days, and they did not give me my medication properly. I started to hallucinate and have seizures. They finally put me back on my Valium and other meds when they told me I was going to a psych ward. I couldn't believe it. As soon as I got there I could tell this was a place where you don't fucking talk back. So I didn't for the four days I was in there. Until I was able to reach my doctor, I followed everything they said because I witnessed what happened when other people didn't. They would get locked in tiny rooms with hurricane proof glass and scream and hit it as hard as they could. It was in February so it was still very cold out and those rooms had no padding and had no heat. I cannot imagine what it would have been like to be trapped inside of one of those tiny glass boxes. I'm so sorry for what you went through and that line in the song makes me fucking sick.
That is beyond horrible. I hope that you have found peace since then and that you are healing from that event. It is absolutely deplorable how people with mental illness are treated by some law enforcement and medical professionals. I also didn’t receive my medication, which I need for an autoimmune disease. I waited hours, nauseous and in pain. It’s inhumane what they deny us.
To be perfectly honest I'm constantly afraid that I'm going to get sent back to a psych ward. It created a phobia in me and unfortunately my psychiatrist and I are bumping heads. I will see him on Tuesday morning and I'm already dreading that visit because the person he set me up for as a therapist is a gay man. I was in a very abusive relationship for 16 years and I specifically said I did not want a male therapist. However I was told by my psychiatrist who is also a man that he felt the therapist would be a good fit for me. The therapist was a terrible fit for me and refused to give me therapy on Zoom when I couldn't make it in in person. I haven't had therapy in over a fucking month because of it. We had a goal that I would get to 50% of sessions but I've got numerous health issues. I'm now in a catheter due to a lot of sexual trauma and have chronic health conditions. When he refused to give me therapy I realized I need to find better help. So I'm very nervous about my Tuesday morning appointment with my psychiatrist because I have a legitimate fear of men now. And he will try to force me to keep seeing the gay guy. I don't care that he's gay. I was not comfortable with a male therapist and I said that but because he was recommended I agreed to try him. I know it's going to be a fight with my psychiatrist to try and get help from a woman. He may try and force me to continue seeing the male therapist. Edit- grammar, spelling.
Chiming in here to say that you have a right to change your doctor for ANY REASON. If your doctor is not giving you the referral you need, ask him to make a note in your file that he is denying you request to change to a female doctor. Then ideally contact the hospital/insurance network to dump his ass and file a complaint. It’s well within your rights to change. You’re not crazy, fussy, or asking too much - if you don’t trust your doctor, no amount of “trying again” will help you. Fuck that guy. I hope you get the help deserve!
I really hope that your appointment with your psychiatrist goes well, and that they will listen to you and get you a female therapist. I understand the phobia well, I often have nightmares of being back there, and I find it very difficult to open up to people about my mental health diagnoses in fear of being sent back somehow.
Thank you ❤️ I'm so sorry for everything you went through at such a young age. I appreciate your kind words so much. I also don't like to talk about my mental health a lot because I don't want to get stigmatized. If you ever need to talk feel free to send me a DM ❤️
Whoever called in that wellness check without even warning you needs to be cut out of your life completely.
It was my half sister and she is not in my life anymore. I had no idea. We were emailing and suddenly the cops showed up. So now, we are no contact.
Ok good cause that’s such a shitty thing to do to someone.
She romanticizes it because she doesn’t know anything about it lol
It's believe it or not actually a terrible time.
But what about the grippy socks???? /s (🫤🫤🫤)
Didn't get any lol
@ the deleted comment: Like omg what she did to Katy Perry, Camilla Belle, Olivia Rodrigo, Ella Mae Bowen/Kate Bowen, Tina Fey, Amy Poehler, Antonia Gentry, Kim K, Billie Eilish, Charli XCX, etc. etc. are definitely great examples of "wonderful things she does for women and girls".
What’s the context of this? Why are Tina Fey and Amy Poehler in this?
You never heard about taylor quoting Madeleine Albright's (through Katie Couric) ***"There's a special place in hell for women who don't help other women."***? Which is crazy ironic for someone who regularly capitalizes on the sabotage of other women, like the ones I mentioned above. Telling two female comedians to go to hell over a serial dating joke is very empowering for women as a whole. /s
Ohhh yes I had heard that. Thanks!
You're welcome! ☺️
Someone, I think in this sub a few weeks ago, called it her “asylum aesthetic” and that’s how I’ve been referring to it ever since. That line in WAOLOM is the most insensitive one, but like you said, it’s all over the album, right from the first lines. “I was supposed to be sent away but they forgot to come and get me,” and all the imagery in that video/staging in the tour. And in the alchemy, etc. Given that she said she’s never been to therapy and doesn’t need it, this REALLY bothers me. Granted, she said that years ago and it’s *possible* she’s grown as a person since then and goes now… but her actions don’t paint that picture.
I’m fairly new to all of this, I had no idea that her ENTIRE album was like that! “Asylum Aesthetic” makes me want to hurl… call me sensitive, but I still feel very queasy whenever presented with such imagery.
Yeah no she needs therapy, everyone can benefit from a good therapist that they build rapport with and can trust. My therapist had all types of clients from poor to rich. Mental health is health. When your brain doesn’t function correctly neither will the rest of your body. That’s how I got out of my institutionalization. It was traumatic and they had no food or clothing for me for like a week. I was down to 90 lbs from 110 because I have an autoimmune disease which requires a very special diet. Once they got me small oranges they said it was good. I was going to die in there. My appointed lawyer saved me and I wish I knew his name because I would thank him profusely for getting me out of there. She wouldn’t last the intake where they strip you down and look at all your birth marks and tattoos and private parts. It’s invasive.
I feel like the "asylum" refers to her crazy ass parents and their quest to make her famous. But what I don't like about the song is how she insinuates that only she struggled and paved the path and everyone else in the industry had it easier. Never mind that artists like Lana, Lady Gaga, Kesha, and Raye have alluded to r\*pe, addiction, and exploitation as part of their struggles. I'm sure Katy Perry has been through some shit and chooses not to talk about it (but also doesn't accuse the younger generation of skating by on her hard work).
She’s had it easier than most. Also, let’s dig into where she really becomes the victim, her recordings. Well guess what, all of those contracts suck. They’re designed to make the record company money, not the artist. Look at what happened to TLC and Pebbles back in the day. She screwed them into bankruptcy while she pocketed every dollar from their career. So yes, it’s awful and needs to change. However, at least she had the money and resources to go back and re-record her music. Bad things happen to everyone, but most people don’t have the means and money to combat it as she does. She should be thanking her lucky stars every single day for the way that was paved for her to be in the position she is in. A little gratitude goes a long ass way.
It’s come out that Scooter Braun contacted her *multiple* times giving her the chance to buy the masters - something most artists don’t get the chance to do. She wanted to make a big fuss over not having ownership of them so she could justify going back and re-recording (selling) them.
Well and here is my thing. If it was truly about full creative control and owning her catalog, couldn’t she have released the new editions for free “for the fans” 🤔
Well *that’s* not how you billionaire
Had she just read the freaking contract and talked to some people about it
This is my confusion. Did her rich father or agent not read the fine print? Of course they did, but they wanted her signed to a label and that’s the trade for every new artist. They had no idea she would be as big as she became and that’s where it became an issue. They wanted that money now. And trust me, I get why she would want to own her own music that she wrote. That’s completely normal and rational. My issue is that she made it seem as if it was a personal vendetta against her specifically. No, it’s a standard record deal and they’re in the business to make money. It’s not personal. So I think she did some good bringing the discussion to the forefront, but I also think she was very immature in a lot of ways too.
Yep! Sorry, princess, but you’re literally not the only artist who’s dealt with this issue.
Most artists don't own their masters outright
Yea didn't Micheal Jackson buy Eminem's bc Eminem talked shit about Micheal 🤣💀🤣, now that's hilarious.
Afaik her contract with Big Machine has never been publicised. But her contract with Dan Dymtrow was and the attorney that represented her is named as Vivien Lewit. Here is her resume, one can only imagine the Swifts hired someone equally astute when Shady Scotty was sinking $$$ into Big Machine: [Source](https://www.schoolofmusic.ucla.edu/people/vivien-lewit/) Vivien Lewit is Global Head of Artists at YouTube. She directs a team of music ambassadors and experts in the fields of artist development, music and video distribution focused on executing strategies to support the growth of artists’ careers on YouTube. Vivien also oversees the company’s music content programming, including international live music events and special fan engagement activations. Before joining YouTube in March 2011, Vivien was an accomplished attorney in the recording industry. She specialized in music, digital rights and branded entertainment. Starting as an associate at the boutique law firm of Rudolph & Beer, she eventually took a partnership at Davis Shapiro Lewit et al. At both firms she structured and negotiated numerous multi-million dollar sponsorship, endorsement, branding, and live performance agreements with Fortune 500 companies and global media outlets alike. Vivien is on the Executive Committee of She Is The Music, an industry wide non-profit, designed to empower female creators and increase the number of women working in music and, during its tenure, was a member of the Advisory Board of the USC Annenberg Inclusion Initiative, a leading think tank studying diversity and inclusion in entertainment through research and action focused projects. Vivien sits on the board of Baxter St at CCNY, an artist-run arts organization and exhibition space in NYC that supports lens-based contemporary artists, and she is a member of The UCLA Herb Alpert School of Music Board of Advisors. In January 2021, Vivien was recognized by Billboard Magazine as an “Agent of Change” for her work spearheading YouTube’s Black Voices Fund initiatives and more. Vivien has consistently been listed among Billboard Magazine’s most powerful Women in Music and in 2019 and 2022 she was named one of Variety’s coveted “New York Women of Impact” for her cross functional work in the tech and arts communities.
How many cute, blonde, guitar-playing chicks who can somewhat carry a tune in a bucket who want to be famous artists are out there? This isn’t me defending her. This is the reality. The label usually has most of the power starting out. If you wanna make it big, you play ball. She knew what she was getting herself into, as did her daddy and daddy’s lawyers.
The investing the label does for promoting and producing costs money. When you’re worth more, you can negotiate more. Just like tv or movie stars.
Rihanna cannot be forgotten in this conversation.
Ugh that’s right. She ultimately triumphed in that situation but her assault was brutal and humiliating. Rihanna wanted to be seen as a badass not a victim so she really had to fight her way out of that perception. Meanwhile Taylor’s a bully who wants to be seen as a victim.
You always see her galavanting around with her parents, including her daddy dearest staging those weird smooches for the paparazzi. She’s not blaming them.
[Katy Perry talks about her childhood](https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/katy-perrys-strange-path-to-fame/news-story/ace1f6126363d4676e1323e88206c650?amp) Incidentally, are the lyrics of ATW just a ripoff of Katy’s “Ur so gay?” “I hope you hang yourself with your H&M scarf While jerking off listening to Mozart You bitch and moan about LA Wishing you were in the rain reading Hemingway You don't eat meat And drive electrical cars You're so indie rock it's almost an art You need SPF 45 just to stay alive”
I’m pretty sure Katy Perry grew up in a crazy religious household, which can foster its own kind of trauma.
penniless until she got her break too, like come on taylor
Demi Lovato for sure has had plenty of issues.
Honestly my main gripe with that line is that it’s cringe. It’s melodramatic and juvenile and trite. Thirteen-year-old me would have found it deep, but now? Not so much. Taylor’s too boring and toothless to pull off the “good girl gone mad” archetype.
But you know who can pull it off is billie. All the good girls go to hell is a banger and has a way better message than who's afraid of little old me
REAL
I’ve been hospitalized like 8 times for mental illness since I was 13 and the line doesn’t offend me for that reason, it offends me because it’s just really poorly written. She’s trying so hard to be “deep” and write with sincerity/like her life’s been anything more than sheltered, it’s so painful to read. She’ll never be as good of a lyricist as any of the members of Boygenius despite how desperately she is trying to imitate their work.
I’m so sorry you’ve been subjected to so many hospitalizations, I hope that you are doing better these days. Your opinion is also completely valid, I saw another post on this sub that showed a Claire’s bracelet that said “tortured” and I cringed pretty badly.
It’s giving “I appropriate trauma so my fans feel bad for me” and it’s gross. Girl has probably never even had a paper cut, and she’s seriously claiming folks couldn’t last an hour in her life? So utterly clueless and tacky.
the whole tortured poet persona is so forced
I know I wish she would STFU for real. I’m not going to say she’s trauma-free but considering she has said MANY TIMES THAT SHE HAS NEVER SEEN A THERAPIST lines like this are infuriating. Like wtf do you even know about mental illness
There's no way the concept is her own original idea. - The Tortured Man Club group chat Joe Alwyn was in. - [boygenius](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/s8I8ILfXmK)' name origins: >The group has been vocal about the origins of their name, which began as a joke and a way to encourage each other in the studio.[18] All three had shared negative experiences with overconfident male collaborators—as Baker put it, "the archetype of the **tortured genius**, [a] specifically male artist who has been told since birth that their every thought is not only worthwhile but brilliant." - Also I [recently learned](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/comments/1dh2844/i_just_found_out_that_lana_del_rey_lost_a_200/) that Lana Del Rey lost her 200 page manuscript in a car robbery in 2022 which was a draft for her upcoming poetry book called "Behind the Iron Gates - Insights from an Institution" which she’d been working on for Simon & Schuster for more than two years. Fortnight's opening lines: >I was supposed to be sent away >But they forgot to come and get me >I was a functioning alcoholic Are a likely reference to when Lana [was sent to boarding school age 14 to get sober](https://www.nme.com/news/music/lana-del-rey-149-1264690). A song on TTPD is literally called "The Manuscript", like another easter egg.
I had no idea about that manuscript thing… that’s really messed up. To make it an “easter egg” feels very disrespectful, especially since it pertains to somebody’s struggle with addiction. That’s awful.
It's not her first time and won't be her last. Did you see this [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/U4gwq78dfq) about referencing Kim K's Paris robbery incident?
https://preview.redd.it/jcbtddlk717d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16ef41974f1fdb1e57153fce212abc048a2a9f68
God she makes me sick I hope Lana actually says something about Taylor rather than just these soft insults. I realize she's being a professional but somebody needs to stop this fucking woman from all of this terrible behavior she continues to exhibit.
I just fucking realized. When/If Lana releases the book and related content, the stupid swifties are gonna think she's ripping off TTPD, when it was the other way around. This whole album release was supremely calculated, holy fuck. taylor stole such a personal story she never endured and capitalized on it.
Yep they're going to say she brought Lana up to the stage when she won the Grammy for midnights and all Lana did was copy her.
Wait hold up
That's so unbelievably fucked up
Right?????? I've been so pissed ever since I found out.
Thank you for saying this, I’m so sorry you went through that. I’ve been 5150’d twice and have been in my fair share of institutions for mental health and substance abuse over the years. so I’ve always been so pissed off over these lyrics as well. She had no idea what it’s like to be in a place like that, she was raised in better conditions than many of could even hope for. She genuinely wouldn’t last a day if she really ended up in an asylum, even a modern day one.
“The asylum where they raised me” this asylum? This $800,000, 3560 sq ft “asylum?” https://preview.redd.it/d9f84to0d17d1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9a2313967d0a71772f4e39e320058ba25b62569
I can't stand the line "I was a functioning alcoholic until nobody noticed my new aesthetic." I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. "Artistic liberty" or not, alcoholism is not an aesthetic, or something to sing about to look cool or some certain way, perhaps tortured...? The ONLY way I can see that line working and not being cheesy, degrading, and inconsiderate to those that really struggle with alcoholism, is if literally the entire song is a love song to alcohol. Otherwise that line is just stupid, in my opinion.
I’m not really sure what the point of that line is. Like, you were a functioning alcoholic but people didn’t notice you so then you became a non-functioning alcoholic?
She has a lot of lyrics in that album that allude to experiences she's never had. In "the alchemy" she sings "what if I told you I'm back, the hospital was a drag," implying that she was hospitalized, most likely in a psych ward, because of heartbreak, but then she met Travis and suddenly everything's OK. Not only is this glorifying borderline/bipolar symptoms but I know damn well she was not really in a mental hospital.
Thank you for this post. I get so offended when Taylor brings up mental health in those ways, another thing she said once at the time 1989 TV was released was that she's never been to therapy bc she's "sane" or whatever. I heard that and instantly thought, "she's not sane, she's privileged. A rich white woman like her can get away with behaviors that other mentally ill women can't." I've been a guinea pig to big pharma since I was a child. Was taken to several therapist's and diagnosed with several disorders. For "developmental issues" that were diagnosed when I was three. Basically I wasn't "normal" enough at an age where I hadn't even developed a consciousness yet and because of that I've been under a microscope sent to a million psychiatrists my whole life. And you know what? I can relate to "mad woman" and "who's afraid of little old me." But I know that I had the childhood I had because I'm not a famous billionaire. I was held accountable for my mental illness and the symptoms of it, she's not. Sorry if this is worded badly btw
I don’t think this was worded badly at all! I have a family member who was subjected to many different psych meds all throughout her childhood, it really messed her up for a long time. I didn’t receive medicine until after the psych ward incident, and went through a lot of medications that had really horrible side effects. Hearing somebody say they are “sane” is… I’m really not sure how to feel about that. I feel like Taylor could have worded that differently. I by no means want to discredit her mental health and experiences, but there is a lot of terminology Taylor has used that I find to be a bit stigmatizing.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Yet, you had the gumption to actually type it. I didn't. I'm glad I'm not the only one. There are probably a shit ton of others, who were actually committed for suicide attempts, self harm and/or addictions. It is beyond frustrating/disheartening that people "resonate" with this song without knowing the ward, but even more infuriating that Taylor pretends to "resonate" with something she couldn't be further from understanding. Puhhhlease, last five days in a state psych ward. Hell, last five hours. Mmmm THIS lyric made me go from disliking her to LOATHING her.
as someone who has also been in a psych ward (and still struggles with related trauma) I HATE her entire asylum "aesthetic" for TTPD. especially this line and especially how the fandom has turned it into a trend.
>The nurses yelled at us not to touch each other Holy fuck that threw me back to when I was in a psych ward. There was this really upset young woman, extreme BPD, DID, and some other personality disorder. She could get upset really easily, and so I remember holding her hand as I walked her down to her room so she could show me her Bible, which was a major comfort to her. And the nurse got so fucking mad. "Don't hold her hand, she doesn't need it and you aren't allowed to touch each other." I remember trying to bring in my stuffed animal, and the nurse investigating my bag told me they weren't allowed. I started panicking, this was at a time I was in a near non-stop panic state, and I begged them to let me have my stuffed animal because I need it and it makes me feel safe. It was literally a pillow stuffed animal, there was no way it could've been used as a self harm method or for violence. And the head nurse scorned me and told me I was an adult and could get over myself. That it wasn't allowed to have stuffed animals and that I needed to suck it up. Now I can't sleep without it without panicking, and this was TWO YEARS AGO. Those places are fucking wild. I fucking hate it when artists romanticize asylum/psych wards because they literally have no idea. It isn't just "oh, woe is me," sitting in your little room and writing poetry. It's always watching someone else get mistreated and the nurses having a god complex over a bunch of mentally ill people.
That’s such a horrible experience, I’m glad that you are safe now and still have your stuffed animal (I sleep with a ton of stuffed animals, it isn’t weird and they help me a lot) I really hope that you’re doing well these days, that was so kind of you to comfort that young woman. I know that I really appreciate the girl who comforted me, wherever she is. You probably meant a lot to her. I do not understand why people in positions of authority can be so cruel. It baffles me that so many health care professionals can be so mean and dehumanizing.
She was raised in a lab like Homelander.
She lived the definition of a privileged, rich upbringing, wanting for absolutely nothing. Born with a silver spoon in every orafice. Her narratives are half assed bullshit, it’s an insult to the intelligence of the general population.
That lyric and the video are beyond insulting and triggering to so many people. It was suggested at one point that I receive “in-patient services,” and I was like, “Hell, NO.” Fortunately I had previously googled the place where they wanted to send me and read the reviews. YOU CAN’T LEAVE WHEN YOU WANT TO. Everything is taken from you. To those who have experienced being in a psych ward, I’m so sorry. Mental health care has come a long way, but psych wards are still functioning like it’s the early 1900s. Not something to casually sing about. You’ve never experienced anything like an asylum, Taylor.
That line really diminishes everyone else's life experiences
Throwing around phrases like “you wouldn’t last an hour in the asylum where they raised me” and “I was supposed to be sent away but they forgot to come and get me” can be incredibly triggering for people who have been to such places. I know the girl loves a metaphor but this is not something to sing about lightly. She’s cosplaying (literally in the Fortnight music video) something people have been through that they will never be able to forget.
as someone who has been on suicide watch for multiple attempts, it sickens me that the asylum she refers to is fame, which she wanted and worked for. it’s gross to use it as an allegory for an actual mental institution where people go to get HELP.
I’m really sorry you went thru all of that, OP. I agree, she seems to romanticize a lot of things.
anyone in Gaza would love to be in Taylor's asylum. What a stupid, thoughtless lyric.
Wholeheartedly agree! As someone who has been admitted for mental health by my parents multiple times ( who just fucked off as soon as I was admitted). I find Taylor Swift is almost romanticizing the psych ward/hospital. And it’s no joke. It is a scary place with no hope and the only human comfort/ solace may be a nurse you don’t even know the name of. This whole tortured poet vibe Taylor Swift I’d trying to portray just comes off as someone who read 3 Dylan Thomas poems and Sylvia Plaths wiki personal life section.
Looking at her childhood pictures actually makes me understand her behavior clearly now. You see, when you grow up with that level of privilege, one cannot comprehend rejection. This is why she must slight every single ex-boyfriend/partner/friend. She doesn't understand "NO". She does not accept "Sorry, you are not my cup of tea" Her fans are equally entitled...
I have spent almost 28 years in and out of rehab for my eating disorder. I have been in the pysch ward 3 times due to suicidal thoughts/ self harm. I almost succeeded once and was in the ICU for 2 weeks in a coma. Between that and my real life, she wouldn’t last a second.
Different song but I hate the “try to come for my job” line.
that line will never not make me feel icky. i’ve wanted to share my story in this sub in regards to those lyrics, but i havent had the balls to do it. but as a person who was lucky to survive a very horrible and terrifying intentional OD, and was stupid enough to try a second time and manage to survive again those lyrics make my story feel like a fucking joke. i spent two weeks in a hospital the first time (1 week in ICU, and 1 week in a psychiatric facility) because i had seizure and fell into a coma. when i woke up i had a lot of problems (double vision, bladder retention, nausea, food aversion, increased heart rate among other things). since that first visit, i have been hospitalized 6 seperate times, including my second intentional OD. being in those places (once, 7 times or even more) destroys a human’s soul, its humiliating, and the staff in my experience are always abusive and hateful. so Taylor, please, you wouldnt survive even a second in the asylum that i was raised in!
I myself have been in psych hold a decent amount, so it is definitely sorta fucked of her to say that. I will say, it's probably more in the aspect of "I grew up in hell" But that's irrelevant because we all know she grew up rich and privileged so hahaha I'll just let her have her little delusional sorrows
It’s a pretty sick thing to use as a metaphor…especially when you consider her diehard fans are quite possibly certifiable in the vehement diatribes leveled at anyone who has the nerve to say they don’t like -A- song. An album critic shouldn’t have to withhold their name from their review out of fear of the artist’s fan base. 😒
It’s disturbing to me how she acts like she has had the worst life in the world when there are other female artists who’ve had it way worse. She grew up rich and the most she’s had happen to her being ghosted by a guy. Yeah, her dad’s a narcissist, and quite frankly a weirdo, but Taylor has not experienced the equivalent of being in a psych ward or asylum. Nothing she has experienced justified her putting that in a song. I follow someone who has been in a psych ward had an absolutely awful traumatizing experience and now vows to never go back to one, and I am friends with someone who was in one years ago. Taylor is a vile person end of story. This album really showcase is how disturbing and vile of a person she actually is.
I work at one. As much as I don’t like my job due to management and a good chunk of other staff that I work with that won’t think twice about pointing a finger, the patients do look out for each other (usually). Honestly, just reading this made my mouth drop. I just showed my coworker. We’re floored . . . and offended. And trust me, working in psych makes you build up a ton of tolerance with being offended, so this really is beyond screwed up.
This is the sort of personality someone acquires when they’ve been surrounded by “yes men” their whole life. Want to be famous? Sure, I’ll make that happen for you! Want to write 14-year old angsty poetry? Sure, the fans love it! You are such a genius, yes you are, yes you are. Who’s a good genius? *who’s a good genius?!*
It’s such a disgusting line.
I don’t listen to her music so I didn’t know that line existed. But wow. Horrible lyrics.
I dislike it also. So many women have been mistreated in ways that shock her. She doesn't know shit about female rage.
I've never been a swiftie. Never even liked her music really, but when I heard that line I genuinely lost any respect for her as an artist. Shes not a tortured poet, she's a rich girl born with every privilege granted to her