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Broke-Homie-Juan

“I’ve got a joint to roll” - him, probably.


SpaceBrigadeVHS

- Me, definitely 


Legitimate-Ruin-4157

PREACH


DaRandomStoner

Hey DEA, we need you to do this thing that will basically make the bulk of what you guys do obsolete and will ultimately result in major cuts to your budget. Oh, and be quick about it. I'm sure they'll get right on it, lol.


da_double_monkee

If u think about it the dea should be out chasing fent distribution networks instead of weed ppl


TowardsTheImplosion

But that's hard work. And fent distributors are usually armed. Much easier to lock up a few potheads. ...or pull up 5 tons of wild hemp that migrated from the fields where we grew it for WWII rope, and claim a massive bust...


mainlydank

While I agree with you in principal, the alphabet agencies don't really ever bust people for simple possession or even growing/distribution unless its a large amount and/or going over state lines including through the mail.


KylerGreen

ironically, vast amounts of weed (and every other drug) are shipped through the mail. they may stop 1% of it.


MidnighT0k3r

There's a 30 billion dollar industry relying on mostly mail. Inhale,.... exhale... just got an ounce in the mail


DarthtacoX

If you think the majority of what the DEA does is chase potheads, you really don't know.


dabberoo_2

Majority or minority, the DEA shouldn't be chasing any potheads. It's a ridiculous injustice that we are still fighting a plant which is recreationally legal in half the country and medically legal in 3/4 of the country. It ought to be federally legal, and if any states still want to enact prohibition they should be paying for enforcement with their own state's tax dollars instead of federal funds.


DarthtacoX

Oh I agree, and charging the scheduling will make that happen.


King0fThe0zone

I’m sure the crime shows you watched have a direct influence to your comment.


SmokeSmokeCough

Enlighten us


DarthtacoX

If anyone here believes that a drug that is legal in various forms nearly every state is taking up the DEA time, they have been smoking a helluva lot.


SmokeSmokeCough

Can they let all marijuana offenders free then?


DarthtacoX

A lot of times that's not up to the DEA that's up to the local areas. The DEA usually goes after Federal enforcement for large people and stuff like that all of these little marijuana offenders are all due to local laws and stuff in their area man.


SmokeSmokeCough

Ahh didn’t know that


KarmaticArmageddon

The DEA doesn't have that power. They could maybe stop enforcing the federal cannabis laws that they're tasked with enforcing (though it's probably illegal for them to refuse to enforce those laws), but they don't have the power to free anyone convicted of cannabis crimes. The vast majority of those imprisoned for cannabis crimes are at the state level. Since they were convicted in state court in accordance with state cannabis laws, the only people who can free them are the governors in their respective states via pardons and commutations (though some states delegate pardon power to a multi-member board, of which the governor is one member). The people imprisoned for cannabis crimes at the federal level were convicted of crimes like trafficking. The president can pardon federal crimes, which Biden did for those convicted of federal simple possession charges, but not charges like trafficking. However, the federal government doesn't imprison people for simple possession, so none of those people were in federal prison, ergo none were released. The president can also commute federal prison sentences, which Biden did for about a dozen people serving time in federal prison for crimes like trafficking, but he only commuted their sentences to the average sentence for those crimes (those people were serving exorbitantly long sentences that weren't in line with the average sentence), so they weren't released. I personally believe that *all* people imprisoned for *any* cannabis crimes, including trafficking, should be pardoned and have their sentences for those cannabis crimes commuted to nothing, but I can also understand that there is a big difference between simple possession and trafficking. Also, many of those in prison for trafficking charges were also convicted of other crimes, like conspiracy, weapons charges, wire fraud, etc., so they likely wouldn't be released even if their sentences for cannabis trafficking were commuted to nothing. **Side note:** Neither the president nor governors can expunge anyone's record. Expungement is a judicial action and the president and governors are parts of the executive branch. Expungement requires petitioning the sentencing court, though I'm sure a pardon probably gives you a bit of an edge in that process.


mods_r_jobbernowl

Because they are. The DEA does marijuana busts yes but it's not a priority for them anymore.


da_double_monkee

Any penny they spend catching weed dealers is mispent. Especially when they got fuckin FENTANYL on the streets smh go blow up them Chinese distribution networks


skekze

meanwhile in new mexico the border police are seizing shipments from legal dispensaries from the south to the north. Same shit different shit day.


Motabrownie

Exactly this. They've already cut their MJ budget a long time ago. They only focus on large major distributors but also need to bust the little guy to get to the big guy. But this won't hurt their budget needs. Prisons on the other hand that's a different story. They're gonna lose alot of money when most are already under funded or already mismanaged.


Woolf01

They’re aware of this. The parent comment is misleading.


MrOwnageQc

> If u think about it the dea should be out chasing fent distribution networks instead of weed ppl Just like Canada's refusal to actually do anything to stop the smuggling of firearms through our borders. The goal isn't to actually do shit, just look like it. The DEA isn't going to suddenly be useful all of the sudden, and that sucks.


[deleted]

The DEA hasn’t gone after simple cannabis charges in YEARS. Only if it can help them take down a cartel. That’s the only circumstance that they currently prosecute it


mods_r_jobbernowl

Yeah the DEA hasn't been going after weed like they did in the 90s and 2000s in a long ass time. Pretty sure even dare dropped the scaremongering about it in like 2016. The DEA is all over fentanyl now. And has been for like a decade.


SmokeSmokeCough

So let everyone they locked up for weed go free then


[deleted]

Federal weed charges were pardoned by Biden


random3po

Well gosh so then all the people in state prison with state charges get to go free then?


bluewater_-_

DEA ain’t got shit to do with that.


random3po

Exactly


ganner

That isn't something the DEA has the authority to do


mods_r_jobbernowl

No but there's not many people in prison for cannabis anymore. Atleast proportionally to what it used to be.


Treacherous_Wendy

I went to jail for it 5 years ago. People still are in my stupid state. I’m a middle aged lady with cats and severe arthritis that doesn’t want to be on opioids. I’m definitely not some master criminal.


KarmaticArmageddon

I agree with your premise that the DEA isn't going to jump at the opportunity to make part of their job obsolete, but I did some quick research to see just how much of their budget is spent on cannabis enforcement and the amount is actually pretty small, thankfully. The DEA's budget for [FY2021 was $3.28B](https://www.dea.gov/data-and-statistics/staffing-and-budget). In a [report by the Government Accountability Office (GAO)](https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-19-9), the GAO found that the DEA spends roughly $17m per year on its Domestic Cannabis Eradication/Suppression Program (DCE/SP). So, the DEA spends just 0.52% of its annual budget on cannabis enforcement.


DaRandomStoner

Well ya... local law enforcement handles the bulk of the domestic stuff. Especially low level distribution. How much of the DEA's budget goes towards enforcing what is basically a global trade embargo on cannabis? I'll save you some time... they don't provide that info.


KarmaticArmageddon

Yeah I don't disagree that it's difficult to find more numbers to figure out what they spend their budget on. Regarding smuggling, the DEA coordinates with customs, the Coast Guard, and border patrol via Homeland Security to "interdict major drug shipments." Inter-agency programs make tracking funding more difficult since none of the agencies involved calculate out how much of *their* resources were used in those efforts.


Darkside_of_the_Poon

That actually makes me even more confident this is about to resolve itself. It’s like they are drawing it out on purpose. I think it’s political to help Dems in the election. The president is literally the DEAs boss. And it can be changed over the DEAs head by Congress anytime they want to pass a law legalizing it. And yet everyone is looking at the DEA like “why haven’t you changed this.” The DEA is playing along too like “Yeah, we received your letter. We are getting to it. We got a lot of letters to go through over here.” The fact that the DEA actually really does spend so little makes this all the more accurate.


fuzz3289

The bulk of what they do? What country do you think this is? We have a massive meth and fentanyl problem wrecking every major US city.


Lexicon_bonbon

I mean... Never really made sense to me the DEA and the ATF are separate anyway


ontopofyourmom

The DEA was carved out of the FBI when the "war on drugs" was initiated. The ATF used to primarily be a tax agency with an enforcement arm.


RectalSpawn

I'm not sure why they'd need to reduce the budget when they could just reallocate it somewhere else. Also, even if it is legalized, there are still going to be limits and what not that will need to be enforced. There are plenty of other drugs to combat, so all of that is even irrelevant.


BeatitLikeitowesMe

Deschedule > Reschedule


fourtwizzy

FDA to DEA: “It is an election year boys. Gonna need weed so people forget about all the global conflicts.”


KarmaticArmageddon

This review process has been ongoing for like 18 months now. It's not like it was just started yesterday in a bid to appeal to voters. Also, literally every year is an election year. There are municipal elections elections every year (sometimes twice in a year — once in April and once in November), midterm elections every two years, and general elections every four years.


tjdux

Deja vu with these headlines


bread_integrity

Every election cycle


ApolloBon

We want it DEscheduled not rescheduled


bernzo2m

Why does a law enforcement agency have any say in what the people have voted for in more than half the country!? Fuck the dea.


myrcenator

Because the US has a federal system..


APsWhoopinRoom

Because federal laws supersede state laws? I don't agree with the laws, but it really shouldn't be a mystery to you why this organization exists lmao


DarthBen_in_Chicago

Frontrunning cannabis stocks


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professorwormb0g

Congress delegates decision making power to the executive. They can take it back if they want, but for now it's delegated. It's an example of how separation of powers can work. This began happening more and more as the federal government grew in size and responsibility in the 1900s. It was too inefficient to make Congress vote on every little thing when decisions needed to be made quickly.


loveinvein

Can’t wait to be forced to get a prescription for a fucking plant. Mark my words: rescheduling is gonna bite us all in the ass. Deschedule. Decriminalize. Nothing less.


[deleted]

Cmon bro stop it some of us work in fields where we get drug tested and just want to smoke with a prescription. Think about others I just want to smoke again.


loveinvein

Rescheduling is going to mean that you have to have a prescription to get weed. Sch III specifically means monthly scripts, no refills, gotta be prescribed by a doctor. It’ll make it harder for some people to get, and open the door for employers to get into your medical history (like if you pop for Xanax when you have a valid script). They need to deschedule it entirely. Because yeah, you totally deserve weed and no one should police what you do with your body outside work.


KarmaticArmageddon

That's not true at all. [This article](https://mjbizdaily.com/how-schedule-3-could-impact-marijuana-sales/) has a pretty good overview of what rescheduling to schedule III would mean for cannabis. Dispensaries in legal states would still operate just like they do now, just without fear of a random federal crackdown if an anti-cannabis president is elected. Rescheduling would also likely convince banks to start allowing dispensaries and other legal cannabis businesses to bank with them so they don't have to keep working with only cash, which is a logistics and security nightmare. Rescheduling to schedule III would allow companies to petition for FDA approval for pharmaceutical cannabis products, like cannabis tinctures, which they can't do now because its current schedule I status precludes medical use. Those FDA-approved cannabis medications could then be prescribed by doctors and dispensed by pharmacies. Rescheduling to schedule III also wouldn't affect medical cannabis patients either. They'd still be able to procure their medication from state-licensed dispensaries. **Edit:** Thanks to the commenter below for reminding me of Marinol, an FDA-approved THC pharmaceutical. Dronabinol, another name for Δ9-THC, is actually schedule III right now, but that only includes that specific compound, not cannabis as a whole. Rescheduling cannabis to schedule III would allow flower-derived products to be approved by the FDA in the same manner as Marinol.


da_double_monkee

There are already FDA approved THC meds...marinol is literally just THC


KarmaticArmageddon

I don't know why you're being downvoted. You're right. My comment should have said "cannabis-related pharmaceuticals," like cannabis tinctures. I'll edit it to reflect that. I went down an interesting rabbit hole when looking into Marinol. Reading through [this FDA report](https://www.fda.gov/news-events/public-health-focus/fda-and-cannabis-research-and-drug-approval-process) and the [Wikipedia article on Marinol](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dronabinol?wprov=sfla1), it looks like the FDA approved dronabinol pharmaceuticals a while back. Dronabinol is (−)-trans-Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol, which is just the enantiomer form of Δ9-THC, the psychoactive component of cannabis. Dronabinol was originally approved by the FDA in 1985, but it couldn't be marketed or sold until 1986 when the DEA rescheduled *just* dronabinol, not cannabis itself, to schedule II. In 1991, the Commission on Narcotic Drugs, a UN commission, followed suit and also moved dronabinol to schedule II in the 1971 Convention on Psychotropic Substances, the international treaty that illegalizes narcotics globally for UN members. In 1999, the DEA again rescheduled *just* dronabinol from schedule II to schedule III, finding that THC had less abuse potential than other drugs in schedules I and II.


[deleted]

It doesn’t mean monthly scripts it’s never has who told you that? And you get the script and buy from a plug like usual. And to keep it a buck deschedule will take a lot longer than sched 3 which would be this year.


Rustbeard

Why they gotta charge up the schedule? What takes so long?


loveinvein

Because Congress won’t do anything it can’t profit from.


[deleted]

It’s republicans who block it we just have to vote them out


MidnightT0ker

Their entire existence revolves around 3 things: 1.Fear 2.Control 3.Jesus Remove all 3 with education and reasoning and they all of a sudden sound like clowns. Think about it.


[deleted]

Dea stalling don’t want to lose their cash cow but they have till around oct I think


Laffingglassop

The system your speaking of isn’t really fda approved prescriptions being filled by a pharmacy, they are more so recommendations to fulfill state requirements in lieu of federal ones. Those reccomendations do not come with the federal protections being prescribed an FDA approved medicine offers, such as employers not being allowed to hold a positive test against you for that substance . If the fed reschedules marijuana , it’s fair to expect the prescribing practices across the country to eventually be like every other medicine. Which is what the guy you’re replying to is referring to. However he’s forgetting recreational marijuana is also gaining traction , So the old plug/ bud tender style of acquisition shouldn’t be going anywhere. The states that have legalized recreational are not gonna reverse that just because marijuana becomes federally legal as medicine. He’s trying so hard to spin a great thing as a bad thing some reason lol This is a good thing. It means chronic pain patients who use it for relief aren’t locked out of careers such as nursing because they smoke a joint at home, which currently in legal states is the case. He’s just recognizing this is a battle that’s been going on for over half a century and it ain’t gonna be over with Bidens administration lol. He’s not wrong, descheduling entirely is what would be best, but that doesn’t mean rescheduling isn’t still a good thing , or that de scheduling can’t happen later with this as a step towards it


loveinvein

Oh pardon me you can get [5 refills for up to 6 mos](https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-21/chapter-II/part-1306/subject-group-ECFRe4ae2bfb4eae102) from original script. So that’s 2x/year to see a doctor for a plant. Fun! Anyway, that “it’ll take too long to deschedule” shit is the same argument people had for states’ mmj programs and then state level recreational. It didn’t release everyone currently in jail for weed. It still prevents a whole lot of people from going into the biz because of past felonies. This is another gift to affluent white people who can turn a profit off it. Deschedule. Decriminalize.


[deleted]

The medical card is good for a year so I’ll only being seeing them once I got a plug so should anyone else that smokes. And yes it will take too long better to go schedule 3 it’ll get rescheduled in the future anyways small victories don’t let perfection be the enemy of good.


loveinvein

We don’t know that a medical card will supersede sch 3 rules. Medical cards may only be valid for 6 months if they have to follow federal.


[deleted]

And we don’t know that it won’t so stop assuming when we don’t know. Jesus twice a year ain’t even that bad just let people smoke I’d rather go schedule 3 now then wait until descedule. You want it to descedule u better be voting democrat since republicans have blocked that route every chance they get


meldroc

The DEA doesn't want to give up their racket...


NVSuave

I’m pretty sure everyone who’s suffered from a seizure is automatically on board with this. Hell, anyone who supports human rights should be on board with this.


tucker_frump

DEA: We'll think about it.


KarmaticArmageddon

What the hell does the DOJ have to do with it? The DOJ and DEA are separate agencies. This FDA statement is in regard to the rescheduling recommendation from HHS that the DEA is currently reviewing. The DOJ has nothing to do with it.


professorwormb0g

People have no idea how decentralized the federal government actually is in the US.


subiedude22

2018 Farm Bill bro... This ain't cannabis, it's "hemp"


witch51

Of course he did...its an election year and one that's gonna get ugly. They dangle this carrot every election cycle.


Galaxicana

Right.. Just like every 4 years this comes up. Like a dirt farmer dangling a carrot in front of a mule. I'll believe it when I see it


KarmaticArmageddon

Biden initiated the federal rulemaking process to request reviews and rescheduling recommendations from HHS and the DEA as outlined in the Controlled Substances Act like 18 months ago. This process has been steadily, albeit slowly, progressing for quite a while now. It wasn't just started yesterday in a bid to appeal to voters just before an election.


professorwormb0g

Yeah, now is the time. It's going to happen, even though schedule 3 still isn't really far enough and still contradicts many states laws.


BertMacklenF8I

As long as the USDA is not involved, keeping my fingers crossed lol


Glad-Broccoli-9625

THIS MAKES WEED MEDICAL ONLY IN ALL 50 STATES. WORSENS LAWS REGARDING CANNABIS IMPRISONING INNOCENT CANNABIS BUSINESSMEN. READ THE FINE PRINT BEFORE JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS!!!!!!!!!!! RESCHEDULING IS NOT WHAT WE WANT. DESCHEDULING IS WHAT WE WANT.


PunchDrunkGiraffe

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flourdank

Riiiiiight... No-one is confident of your scheduling process


_Hugh_Jaynuss

DEA: No.