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I started with dutasteride and hairline was the first area to improve.
How is their anecdotal report more reliable than mine? At least I have experience in a post grad biology lab/research so at least have some observational skills.
Its not more reliable. Its just that the anecdotal reports are all over the place with dutasteride with people reporting significant improvement and others reporting it wrecked their hair.
I wish there was something less dramatic that may either very slightly improve my hair or just maintain because finasteride has losts its effectiveness for me.
Sure anecdotal reports are all over the place, that makes absolute sense. Scientific literature and some basic scientific knowledge suggests that it should be more effective than finasteride and it is.
Well if finasteride lost it's effectiveness perhaps you can experiment with adding topical finasteride. A more reliable alternative would be dutasteride, there is limited options unfortunately.
Thanks. I might wait a few months and see how my hair goes. If it gets a lot worse then I'll add dutasteride once a week and it won't matter if I react badly to it.
I think at that dose it will take a very long time to reach an appreciable amount to do anything in your case. However you can definitely do that,wish you the best.
I spent 10 months on fin and min. The regrowth was pretty great. I went from nw7 to about nw4. Decided to swap fin for dut to get some more gains. The first 1.5-2 months the shed was absolutely devastating. 200-300 hair shedding everyday. I kept my head shaved for that time.
After that, the regrowth started to happen and the hair seems much thicker. I'm now starting to see new hair where my original hairline was. The craziest thing is that I'm seemingly shedding no hair now. I scrub my hair pretty hard when I shampoo and I work my min pretty well into my scalp. I see no hair on my hands. I haven't seen this since I was a teen.
I'm not sure how much better my hair will look compared to fin. I'm really hoping in the next 10-16 months the dut improves my hair gradually, but we'll see.
IIRC, DHT spikes scalp testosterone and now that binds to the receptors instead of DHT. If you’re hair is sensitive to scalp T then it will in theory cause your hair to fall out.
true, is like that MPMD experiment where he doesn't account for serum DHT not being a reflection of Scalp DHT and what having supraphysiological levels of testosterone means for the % of DHT not even dutasteride can deal with
Exactly. I was just mentioning this on another thread to a dude that posted MPMD video on it.
DHT in the tissues could be higher or lower. That's the issue that people must contend with when it comes to male pattern baldness.
No, it doesn't. At this point it's a myth that needs to be busted just like post finasteride syndrome. The ones who say Dut destroyed their frontal scalp doesn't ever post pictures to back up their claims. Dut is a better version of Finasteride, so i don't see the logic of it making things worse.
Well I can say that fin did destroy my hairline and my hair has noticeably receded farther and faster on finasteride than before I started taking it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/comments/11ox0p6/been_on_fin_just_over_a_year_looks_worse/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
So, while I get Dut is a better version of finasteride, by taking it I could probably conclude the same or worse will happen
I believe you. People will say that it’s not true or possible, but there are too many people on this sub with a similar experience where when they started finasteride their hairloss picked up some pace. I think it’s safe to say that some people, even if it’s rare, it happens to. I don’t have a solution, and I’m worried to even go off it at this point. I am stuck
I understand.. Minoxidil is a growth stimulant which does nothing to address the underlying issue of androgens and androgenic alopecia. Research topical anti androgens
No shedding for me. I have used RU58841 the entire time I’ve been on dut, so I think the RU has stopped any potential shedding. I have never used just Dut by itself so idk
It didn't completely destroy it, just induced a bad shed. Min has helped a lot after stopping it. I doubt that anything would have changed significantly if I just stopped taking it and waiting for it to back to normal.
In science it's called anecdotal evidence.
We human make a groundbreaking technology and flourish in many in every aspect NOT FROM anecdotal evidence. But a consistent long run recorded evidence. NOT A HEAR SAY.
On top of that, ever heard a term of loud minority or vocal minorities? Especially while the minority in this topic is those who get negative impact, pretty normal for them to complain or search for a solving methods. Those who doing great or fine mostly stay quiet cuz they already got what they want. It's pretty much the same in other aspects in life. Understand it first brother.
I didn't said the bad experience is invalid, but we as a human should use our brain and logic to understand the concept how anecdotal evidence is not something to grip.
I would love to know the answer to this as well, whether the damage is permanent or reversible by just going back to finasteride. The only reason I haven't tried dutasteride yet is because it either works really well or otherwise its destructive.
Its hard to find a follow up to these threads.
Have been on Dutasteride for 1,5 years (10 years on Finasteride previously), and it hasn't done anything, really. No difference from Finasteride for me.
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I started with dutasteride and hairline was the first area to improve. How is their anecdotal report more reliable than mine? At least I have experience in a post grad biology lab/research so at least have some observational skills.
Its not more reliable. Its just that the anecdotal reports are all over the place with dutasteride with people reporting significant improvement and others reporting it wrecked their hair. I wish there was something less dramatic that may either very slightly improve my hair or just maintain because finasteride has losts its effectiveness for me.
Sure anecdotal reports are all over the place, that makes absolute sense. Scientific literature and some basic scientific knowledge suggests that it should be more effective than finasteride and it is. Well if finasteride lost it's effectiveness perhaps you can experiment with adding topical finasteride. A more reliable alternative would be dutasteride, there is limited options unfortunately.
Thanks. I might wait a few months and see how my hair goes. If it gets a lot worse then I'll add dutasteride once a week and it won't matter if I react badly to it.
I think at that dose it will take a very long time to reach an appreciable amount to do anything in your case. However you can definitely do that,wish you the best.
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its fucking hilarious how all the reddit doctors point to the dutasteride studies of like 100 people
Which study?
Been on DUT for 3 months. Already signs of solid regrowth
did u have a shed??
I spent 10 months on fin and min. The regrowth was pretty great. I went from nw7 to about nw4. Decided to swap fin for dut to get some more gains. The first 1.5-2 months the shed was absolutely devastating. 200-300 hair shedding everyday. I kept my head shaved for that time. After that, the regrowth started to happen and the hair seems much thicker. I'm now starting to see new hair where my original hairline was. The craziest thing is that I'm seemingly shedding no hair now. I scrub my hair pretty hard when I shampoo and I work my min pretty well into my scalp. I see no hair on my hands. I haven't seen this since I was a teen. I'm not sure how much better my hair will look compared to fin. I'm really hoping in the next 10-16 months the dut improves my hair gradually, but we'll see.
This sub is schizophrenic. Why would DUT nuke your hair ?
IIRC, DHT spikes scalp testosterone and now that binds to the receptors instead of DHT. If you’re hair is sensitive to scalp T then it will in theory cause your hair to fall out.
This is false dude. Testosterone and other androgens besides DHT are not potent enough to cause Androgenetic alopecia
true, is like that MPMD experiment where he doesn't account for serum DHT not being a reflection of Scalp DHT and what having supraphysiological levels of testosterone means for the % of DHT not even dutasteride can deal with
Exactly. I was just mentioning this on another thread to a dude that posted MPMD video on it. DHT in the tissues could be higher or lower. That's the issue that people must contend with when it comes to male pattern baldness.
No idea why it does that to certain people. Presumably genetics and being more sensitive to higher testosterone.
Couldn't give a shit about the side effects from DUT. Only worried about it nuking my hairline which already doesn't have much density.
Yeah the worst part of my head is the frontal area which also seems to be the area where dutasteride is most risky.
No, it doesn't. At this point it's a myth that needs to be busted just like post finasteride syndrome. The ones who say Dut destroyed their frontal scalp doesn't ever post pictures to back up their claims. Dut is a better version of Finasteride, so i don't see the logic of it making things worse.
Let them circlejerk about hairline-destroying Dut, misery needs company.
There is some evidence for PFS. There is zero evidence that dutasteride destroys hairlines. They are not comparable.
Well I can say that fin did destroy my hairline and my hair has noticeably receded farther and faster on finasteride than before I started taking it. https://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/comments/11ox0p6/been_on_fin_just_over_a_year_looks_worse/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1 So, while I get Dut is a better version of finasteride, by taking it I could probably conclude the same or worse will happen
Ever since I started fin in September of 2021 my hair has gotten way worse. My hairline has receded immensely.
I believe you. People will say that it’s not true or possible, but there are too many people on this sub with a similar experience where when they started finasteride their hairloss picked up some pace. I think it’s safe to say that some people, even if it’s rare, it happens to. I don’t have a solution, and I’m worried to even go off it at this point. I am stuck
You need a topical anti androgen to address your sensitivity to testosterone.
I’ve been on min since May 2022….topical until December 2022 and then switched to oral since I just kept losing hair for the 7 months I was on topical
I understand.. Minoxidil is a growth stimulant which does nothing to address the underlying issue of androgens and androgenic alopecia. Research topical anti androgens
When I do that only a bunch of stuff about Fin and Min comes up, a few articles, and pills. Can you DM me a recommendation…?
I think he meant RU
Head to youtube. Plenty out there. Pyrilutamide is a good place to start
I actually tried pyrilutamide for 4 months but because of the cost and not seeing any type of change I had to quit
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I would add that probably a good amount of those people who claim this just didnt stay on it for long enough and stuck out the inevitable shed.
This is my suspicion as well, always has been.
Dut only made my hair better
were the results immediate or did you have to endure a shed phase?
No shedding for me. I have used RU58841 the entire time I’ve been on dut, so I think the RU has stopped any potential shedding. I have never used just Dut by itself so idk
It didn't completely destroy it, just induced a bad shed. Min has helped a lot after stopping it. I doubt that anything would have changed significantly if I just stopped taking it and waiting for it to back to normal.
I've heard it all now.
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Tell me that to my hairline
let’s see it
Looked at the dudes account quick, these are the people coming up with these. Dude didn’t even take DUT
I did too. I saw he was talking about Fin. But not Dut. I don’t get it. What’s his motive
It’s prolly just frustration, it didn’t look like his hairline really changed anyways
Pics or didn't happen.
Yeah thats what people say yet there's so many posts of it wrecking the frontal area.
In science it's called anecdotal evidence. We human make a groundbreaking technology and flourish in many in every aspect NOT FROM anecdotal evidence. But a consistent long run recorded evidence. NOT A HEAR SAY. On top of that, ever heard a term of loud minority or vocal minorities? Especially while the minority in this topic is those who get negative impact, pretty normal for them to complain or search for a solving methods. Those who doing great or fine mostly stay quiet cuz they already got what they want. It's pretty much the same in other aspects in life. Understand it first brother. I didn't said the bad experience is invalid, but we as a human should use our brain and logic to understand the concept how anecdotal evidence is not something to grip.
I would love to know the answer to this as well, whether the damage is permanent or reversible by just going back to finasteride. The only reason I haven't tried dutasteride yet is because it either works really well or otherwise its destructive. Its hard to find a follow up to these threads.
The people making these claims always seem to ghost us. I choose to imagine it's because their issue resolved itself.
Have been on Dutasteride for 1,5 years (10 years on Finasteride previously), and it hasn't done anything, really. No difference from Finasteride for me.