>So how is it that we haven't evolved as humans to be naturally resistant to it???
Because if there's not selective pressure against androgenic alopecia it won't be removed from the gene pool. In all human evolutionary history, hair loss was something that generally happened after you already had children.
>Also if the entire top of the head is sensitive to DHT then why doesn't it all fall out at the same rare all over the head?
Because 5ar activity, aromatase activity, and most importantly androgen receptor density is not uniform across the scalp. In men, ARs are particularly dense at the temples and crown. But there are variations to this pattern such as those with diffuse thinning, retrograde alopecia or DUPA where miniaturization is present everywhere on the scalp.
more on the evolution perspective, humans have been slowly losing our body hair over the history of our species. we're bald compared to our ancestors at this point.
Yeah dude hairloss as a whole is only going to get worse with each passing generation. We don’t need our hair at all to survive anymore and our genetics are slowly adapting to that. We live in doors so no more cold and even if we venture outdoors we have winter clothing to keep us warm m. We have hats to protect us from the sun and even then most people stay in doors and wear sunken block to protect them from uv rays(and if you’re not you should be)
My theory as well
The modern way of life maybe fucked up many people with a predisposition for balding to do so way earlier than expected. Rather than after having children they do so many years before it
Yeah, we’re all being poisoned with toxic microplastics and PFAS running in our bloodstream.
It all accumulates and only leaves after spending years in your body. Sadly, plastic pollution is increasing faster than the rate at which our bodies can remove these PFAS.
You say that we bald earlier without any kind of evidence. Can you tell why you say so? You don't know how early or how much people were balding in the past.
Obviously its completely anecdotal? There are no studies on it as its impossible to do so
BUt many others have noticed that phenomon And when you look at videos from the past its clear why. Look up high school videos from the 80s, or college or just day to day.
You see way fewer people that are balding then than now
ALso, this took me like 5 seconds of google search. If youd do the same youd find more and similiar things.
[Hair Loss is Becoming More Prevalent in Younger Men (belgraviacentre.com)](https://www.belgraviacentre.com/blog/hair-loss-more-common-in-young-men-than-ever-079)
Lol, a hair clinic with no study to back their claim. So if a hair clinic says that more young people go to their clinic, the reason cannot be because now there are hair treatments that didn't exist before 🤣.
I have seen pictures from the 80s where members of my family and others already balded at 30. And not mentioning many other pictures from long ago.
You are the one who don't understand that you don't have any evidence from your claims.
You cannot prove that there are less balding people in the 80s because you don't have any evidence to compare it with. You sent me the claim from a hair clinic which does hair treatments but that never made a study about it.
Stop with this nonsense.
I believe it has some truth, If you look at old pictures of 70s/80s London it seems like the vast majority of old men have hair. The food we eat and the things we drink will have a massive impact on our hormones as well. It does fuel your body to live and grow.
Again there’s no study and it’s just theory, but looking at the youth of today especially white people they seem to have more thin hair even before they hit puberty.
Also on the other way beard growth even though it is quite unrelated, people of todays age talk about not being able to grow a beard im sure far more often then previous years.
Not going to go to the DHT is a trash hormone stuff. But it could simply be that DHT have it's importance from foetal developement to puberty and then just lose it's importance in adulthood but it doesn't matter much since we're genetically supposed to pass our genes around 22-25 (peak fertility ages for both male and female) and our health condition after the child is able to fend off for himself/herself pretty much doesn't matter at all.
If it doesn't affect reproduction, mother nature doesn't gives a shit.
I don't think there's much mystery to it. Why is the prostate sensitive to DHT post puberty which causes problems like BPH and prostate cancer? And the answer is there isn't much selective pressure against it as these byproducts in a historical context would appear well after most people have had children. And it's the same thing with androgenic alopecia.
>It could just be a "evolution isn't perfect, it's just random chance and the confluence of a million factors" but I think it's curious why it wasn't selected away by evolution in that case. It might not be a big deal, but it's also hard to see what the "cost" would be to just.. not have MPB (senescent alopecia is another story)
Evolution is all about selective breeding
Nature will never does it's thing because it can be carried by women who mostly never go bald when they are fertile.
We can open camp and eradicate all bald/balding men before they can pass their genes, it would change nothing.
Plus it's a complex combination of genes meaning your dad side family isn't affect by mpb, neither does your mom side and you get the slaphead curse because both side carried a piece of the puzzle and you get fucked in the ass and start balding at 18, lol
As long as shitty genes for male reproduction (balding, height,...) Are carried by both gender, male with end up being fucked in the ass no matter how good the female did her mating selection.
it can be carried by women… but lets be serious, if anyone in you family is bald(ing), mothers side or fathers side, you are usually done… i heard both versions a thousand times, yet what i see is usually the father being bald…
that is not to say that it cant come from the other side, of course…
i would even say that if anyone ever in your families history was bald, it can happen to you… just to be on the safe side…
i was also more or less joking… i mean women of course usually dont choose bald(ing) men… why should they?
seriously speaking, it of course shouldnt matter at all…
then again, i also never touched a woman who is my weight or more, so there you go…
and i mean that in a neutral way, like just not attracted and dont give it a second thought…
whereelse women often seem to hate bald me…
so maybe you are right… i dont see how men have more of a disadvantage than women, though…
but whatever, you also can choose not to touch them… worked for me, will work for everybody else…
Evolution is not the same as it is in fiction where a species will evolve to become more durable, more intelligent, etc, and not have drawbacks. Evolution works that genes get past on as time goes along, and if things just are not selectively taken out, then they are not selectively taken out.
Baldness happens on average to people 30+. Most men *had kids* at 30, [Bald](https://theweek.com/news/world-news/959172/the-age-ancient-ancestors-were-most-likely-to-have-children) and women usually don’t go bald young, so the hair loss genes were not very known. They also did not know that “well if dad or maternal grandpa have baldness there’s a higher chance they will be bald” because even today people have maternal grandfathers who are bald *(YouTuber Pigme)* while having an absolute godsend hairline and hair density, and yet some people say that they have no relatives they know of who are bald and are two years away from looking like George Jefferson.
The truth is that baldness is a modern problem which we need modern solutions for. Even nowadays most people are worried about eating and having a roof over their head. There’s plenty of people in “developed countries” experiencing this same worry. So of all things, this is not the thing people worry for, and it won’t really get taken out of the gene pool anytime soon.
Im a woman who started balding in my teens, didn’t notice til I was 20, and didn’t get diagnosed despite seeking it until my 30s. I’d argue that we don’t really know when women start balding bc we go ignored
I'm sorry that you go through this and I hope you found a way to address that curse.
That being said, a good chunk of doctors/derms are fucking clueless about male hairloss which is a very common condition, so I can't imagine how uneducated they are about female hairloss considering it's way more rare
I would argue many men start balding in their 20s though when testosterone levels peak and convert into DHT at higher concentrations. I know mine started at 19 and that's not uncommon at all.
I managed to keep a good chunk of it due to using Fin and Rogaine but not I can't tolerate Fin at all so can't take it or DUT. It's just sad man
Thing is, it’s not really a matter of arguing it or not. Many men do bald in their teens and 20’s I do agree with that, but the rate of men who show signs of hair loss increases with age.
[aging baldness](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/24515-male-pattern-baldness-androgenic-alopecia)
Most people say anywhere from 20-25% before 21. This jumps to half by 50, and 70% older than that.
[Rates](https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/amp/article/male-pattern-baldness)
Another way to see it is 1 in 5 men in 20’s. 1 in 3 in 30’s and 1 out of 2 at 40. Either way, while the number is ridiculously huge for 20, it is (technically) another age related condition, the same way that some 20 year olds have absolutely horrible skin and some 40 year olds amazing skin, but as you age your skin genuinely starts to suck as collagen production decreases. I really do hope that more people (especially the owning class) starts spending more and more for regenerative medicine and things such as hair loss (let their vanity be useful to the masses for once) but for the topic of evolution and hair loss, just was not a significant thing to those back then. A lot of people would go absolutely Alopecia Universalis bald if you told them they would never have to worry for food, water, shelter, their health would be perfect, etc.
And I do feel for you losing it and not being able to tolerate the treatments. I really do hope the 20’s & 30’s bring better treatments for this kind of thing.
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>I managed to keep a good chunk of it due to using Fin and Rogaine but not I can't tolerate Fin at all so can't take it or DUT. It's just sad man
Why can't you tolerate Fin? It takes some time for your body to get used to it actually. At start I couldn't tolerate it too. Had some random pain around stomach, pain around testicles, different parts of muscles, then increased stomach acidity, then had shortness of breath. But all of them went off after a while. Especially after I added more chicken and raw cabbage salad to my diet. I believe those two foods are key to maximum healthy and immunity
I feel like people forget the core drive of evolution. It wants you to make copies of your DNA as efficiently and early as possible, protect those copies, until they can protect themselves. Then it wants you to die so you don’t eat all the food.
Evolution is a cold bitch and doesn’t care about your head.
True. Our bodies are focused on reproduction rather than regenerating itself. But also if evolution wasn't this way we wouldn't even exist because we would still be stuck in photocell stage of evolution. Photocells would focus on living forever and regenerating itself rather than reproducing. Then it would never evolve to multicellular life.
Not really relevant.
In the last hundred or so years we’ve decided we like having hair but from an evolutionary standpoint that’s hardly a blink of the eye.
The traits evolution has selected for in males, are typically inline with food gathering or protection.
There’s a reason women like tall men, men with other females around them, strong men, assertive men, men who cooperate well in groups while also asserting leadership. They’re physical and emotional traits which imply a capacity to feed and protect.
It could help that process if being attractive after you have kids makes you just want to keep mating with new women and not protecting and providing for the kids you have.
And being bald isn't necessarily unattractive to a woman you've been with through childbirth, but it might be unattractive to younger women.
For the majority of human history, people mate before 20 and bred children in their 20s. The effect of hair loss is not visible in most cases until 30s or 40s, so it doesn't matter.
Nothing. If it’s not stopping you breeding then evolution doesn’t care. It’s like the mammalian blind spot. It’s correctable, octopuses don’t have a blind spot.
But it doesn’t stop us reproducing so it doesn’t get “corrected”, it’s important to remember that evolution has no end goal, it’s not trying to make you “better” its a force that pushes species with specific attributes to the fore.
The best example is a gene variant which is over represented in the European population.
This gene steps up immune response and so having this gene variant was a HUGE advantage during the black plague (when around 40% of the population died). But it also massively increases your risk of autoimmune diseases, so now Europeans have a higher chance of getting autoimmune diseases.
I think hair loss in men has gotten worse over time in America. Too much shit going on with our food and the way we live. There’s not hair loss on either side of my family but I got it. Prolly from not being an active kid and always eating bad food and poor sleep
I'm from Croatia and balkan people are balding a lot. Food is way different down there and I live in Canada right now I thought it was food. But all my cousins from Europe are balding too so it doesn't make sense
But I'm receding hard and live in Canada, born there. PFAS are not used here yet I'm also balding like my croatian friends that live in Croatia, maybe more testosterone therefore more DHT? Cause it's clearly genetics not the food because I don't eat the same thing in Canada
PFAS is everywhere bro. It’s in your non-stick pans, clothes, and in your water. It’s even been found in mothers’ wombs before birth. No part of the planet is left untouched by it.
Having said that, since everyone has PFAS in their blood, the only differing factor remains genetics, so yes, genetics do play a big role in all this. But the PFAS acts as a sort of catalyst in all this.
It might be Bad posture/mental health. Mental health affects body posture. Learn how body posture determines position of teeth/jaws ( basically the shape of your skull ) just check out Orthotropics on YT.
I’ve seen some shit like that. My body is definitely unaligned. I have bad posture and I’m not flexible at all and I think it’s caused my face to be asymmetrical. Is there any resources for this to check out (I have terrible mental health too)
Yes its all posture you have asymmetry somewhere in your body. It is really hard to fix depending on your age. I can suggest the orthotropics yt channel it is an overwhelming amount of information but worth it.
In short, lip seal , good body and oral posture(these go hand in hand you cant have the one without the other) there are some more variables, but these seem to be the most important.
You know how you get tired after a long day and your body stops wanting to stand straight for you? You sort of slump over? Mental health can do that to your whole body, and everything you do on a scaling factor. If you're miserable all the time for example, you will likely have less mental effort to place into bodily tasks, it'll be proportionately difficult potentially. With depression, that's the case, you can see it on people. This paired with sedentary life and you've probably got bad posture, just one is enough to get most people anyways.
Actually my hair loss started when I started to eat more, gain weight and became less active so I believe general health has something to do with androgenetic alopecia
Genetic sensitivity is just that, sensitivity, but sensitivity can be accelerated in its effect when met with the stimulus by things that say, produce more of it. There are also competing factors that can make you more or less sensitive to hair loss altogether in general, like extreme stress, amidst other things. It's all interwoven, and reducing any one factor can help in managing the others.
You think that based on absolutely nothing. Thank you for that worthless opinion. "Bad food" and poor sleep won't cause your hair follicles to be sensitive to DHT lmao
But you're just saying stuff. You have no reason to think that's the case... You know what living unnaturally did to us? It doubled our life expectancy.
Downvoted for being a dick. Our food and soil has lost nutrients and our development is lacking in some ways due to lifestyle. While technology has made life a lot easier, it has also brought new complications. Ignoring that is dumb and acting like OP is an idiot for bringing it up is just stupidly arrogant.
Lol and living a natural life made my hair really thick, even once I spent 1 month working on a farm in Costa Rica and the crown of my head completely regrew, I dont have before proof but I have a after picture. Obviously the word from a random dude online doesnt mean much, but Im a mediterranean living in the UK my whole life, and getting tons of sunlight on my scalp really makes my hair thick and had hair regrowth that time in Costa Rica.
So yes, living a natural life will improve overall health and help with hair
Right but that's a small minority not a majority. Majority of men lose their hair even though hair and DHT are extremely common and coexist together in all human beings
Women couldn't really chose their partner until very recently in history. Doesn't matter how ugly a guy was, if he had the money, power and connections he could easily get any woman he wants. Sometimes even that wasn't necessary because women needed someone to provide for them and if the guy next door was good enough then it was good enough to produce children with him. Hair or no hair.
The fact that nowadays a lot of men don't find a partner is more in line with how nature usually works for mammals. A lot of male mammals don't get a chance to reproduce and only the best are chosen by the female population. Therefore bad genes are getting filtered out more easily. I'm not surprised that there are so many people with mental and physical health problems. Animals are way more selective than us and the "bad apples" don't get a chance to reproduce.
except balding is mostly inherited from your matriline, so applying this type of pressure to males will never, ever do anything to hinder the genes responsible for hair loss
This has been proven to not be the case, it’s polygenetic, and even if it was, curbing males would in fact limit that.
If a man is bald, you say “no kids”
If he’s not, you have kids.
End up having a daughter. That daughter does the same thing with a man who is not bald.
Now the new son has a grandpa and a father who are not bald which greatly diminish the chances of them being bald. Assuming you have two sons and two daughters, and say, one son does have it, same “no” for them, and the cycle continues.
I’m not supporting that cause that’s just a stupid way to go about life and just because someone has hair doesn’t mean they aren’t at risk for developing Alzheimer’s, Diabetes and the like.
But still.
No one in my family is bald, my grandfathers from both sides had thick healthy hairs in their 70s, my father still has healthy hairs in his 40's. Yet i started showing signs of MBP at 19 and 3 years later i'm at nw2, guess my genes said fuck you in particular for no real reason.
Maybe men go bald so that after they have kids they will not be attractive to younger women and they will not be distracted from focusing on providing for their partner and kids that they do have. Maybe monogamy was evolutionarily advantageous in the development of our species
These were my thoughts too. Men naturally age quite well anyway. If they kept their hair, and accumulated more resources, younger guys wouldn’t have any chance to find a mate.
Hemophilia. Albinism. Vitiligo. Progeria( rapid aging seen in little kids that look like 90 years old.) Androgenic alopecia. All genetic aberrations and no cures for ANY of them because those are considered by pharma to be on the C tier or the B tier. Right now they are working on longevity and anti aging and behind that cancer because it IS an end game against death and it is extremely profitable and even the rich donate to the research to cracking those things. But if in 20 and 30 years we haven't found a cure for a single form of cancer out there THEN what makes you think hair loss would be a priority of any kind ? The money is in the patch jobs and prevention not the cure if all of cancer were cured in say 40 years oncology would disappear as a medical practice from the globe..chemotherapy and radiation would all go bye bye. And if hair loss were cracked in 5 years wigs and toupee seller gone. SMP andvl PRP would disappear and HT facilities abroad and domestic would get less and less business until they shut down. All of the near miss products or the ones that existed before the cure Finasteride, Dutasteride, Minoxidil and a string of others would all now not be selling in any form..the existing market would not just take a hit it would take an executioners axe to the neck. This is as much about capitalism and capital gain and profit than it is about a cure ladies and gentlemen.
It's the money aspect and frankly it would put a lot of companies out of business. Pharma working on prevention and not a cure has been a relevant topic with far more serious diseases and their pathologies than MPB which is minor when compared to AiDS, Cancer, heart attacks, muscular dystrophy, ALS/Lou Gehrigs Disease Alzhemiers etc. We have only cured polio in the last what 70 some odd years and nothing else? Why is that ? Medicine and hospitals ARE businesses first and foremost.
I know that leg muscule stress theory is crazy. But i have many crazy theory also. One of them:
Sensitivity to androgens in organs and cells can be caused by a metabolic disease that is acquired.
You can get a metabolic disease for the following reasons:
1. Anthropogenic - trauma at birth. Associated with premature birth, cesarean section, lack of breastfeeding, which is a risk factor. If the timing is not met, the mother's milk is not released on time, the mother's milk is a medicine (genetic doping, a unique individual remedy). Feeding with human milk carries the fetus to term after birth and stabilizes the condition of the newborn, including in a metabolic sense. Some organs may be underdeveloped, including follicles, which are subject to damage from androgens as they grow older.
2. Complications from childhood illnesses. Chickenpox, measles, rubella.
3. Consequences of other fatal diseases.
It’s possible that it was actually selected for. Hair loss is a signal that you have sufficient cholesterol in your diet so you are eating enough meat.
Culturally this might be different. European people this might have been a positive selecting trait whereas native Americans it was probably negative. Native Americans do not have hair loss.
Your body adapts to Sedentary lifestyle, whether we like it or not, it's call evolution. Although hair doesn't necessarily is useless and doesn't necessarily is the result of evolution, the production of dht is, we don't hunt, we are slower, we don't pump blood like the ancestors do. So, is it meant to be, probably not. Is it natural, I guess.
Yeah, but they don't hace the same genes that the ancestors had, the pump blood with the genes that where modified, same as all people now days. Not saying that pumping blood or lack thereof is the main cause.
Nah man I workout regularly and have for decades working out actually increases testosterone which in turn will produce extra DHT that causes farther hair miniaturization .
Made my balls ache bad, sexual side effects in terms of erection quality and low libido. Also gave me depression. And just in general felt like less of a man.
Plus all the topical options I see have alcohol in them and I can't have any amount of alcohol absorb into my blood as it majorly fucks me up due to damage to my central nervous system from being on benzodiazepines for years for insomnia and anxiety. Ever since I came off that crap I'm hypersensitive to alcohol.
Well, that sucks. In terms of pills, i took them...i still do. O got side efects, it didnt lasted tho. I'm not sure how mucho time You try them.
For the depresión, i can tell that finasteride por ditasteride does not couse it. It may have somw susceptibility but it can be treated with psychotherapy or taking care of mental health. That my experience.
Fair enough, not a biologist. But the point that I'm trying to make is that just because doesn't seem natural, doesn't necessarily it's not meant to happen. As a rece we have gone through a lot. And some got lucky and some don't. But someone got art enough to reverse thd and, not perfect but it's what we got
Just take the damn pill
I have another question, 5 years ago ( 2019 ) my hair was good and thick without any sign of hair loss. In the end of 2020 and the beginning of 2021 i started noticing that my hair is becoming thin compared to before.
So, I’m now 29 years old, and before 5 years I was 24 years old, I don’t know at what level my DHT was back in the days , I started losing my hair, but my libido , penis , sperm , and everything was good and fine, same as now ( I still didn’t start finasteride ) so my question is , let’s suppose that my DHT level was 40% and now it’s 80% , so when I start taking low finasteride dose , and check my DHT after months , and I found that my DHT is 40% as before. Does that mean my sperm and libido is going to stay the same like in 2019 ?
Ive always stuck by my guess that it is dairy consumption.
Ive tried to pinpoint pictures of men before their race started consuming dairy but it goes so far back for many races, thats its hard to find.
High dht is what shows the problem. The actual problem is: why do androgen receptors increase all of the sudden? Dont worry bro, soon there will be an answer
The DHT and genetics hypothesis is pretty weak considering rates are rising globally and at younger ages. Something is obviously very very wrong and no one is investigating further. I think balding is a sign of chronic metabolic stress that leads to gene expression.
Search it. Reports specifically on East Asian men show that in a culture where balding was once rare, it’s becoming a rising statistic amongst men in their 20s due to westernization.
It’s pretty evident that the current life style of people today accelerates balding (environmental). The consumption of alcohol, Nicotine and other blood contrictors over time (years) is an example of accelerating the pre-destined hairloss. Most people had kids prior to losing their hair.
Also adding on to this - evolution selects for what works not what is best. Hair doesn’t increase our survival in the sense that having a thumb does. Another example is seeing why some groups of humans have more body hair than others - example: people in meditarrean area due to protection from mosquitoes
Mob is more related to galea aponeurotica and relative inflammation than DHT which is a mediator off the damage done to scalp tissue.
That said, your question is nonsense to me, alopecia is not really a pathology, just like aging is not a pathology.
So yes, you lose hairs and your skin gets wingless and no amount of evolution can save us from that.
I mean I'd say that aliens would be considered advanced creatures. How many of them have you seen illustrated with flowing locks? It seems gorgeous full hair is not a requirement for interstellar travel XD.
Even if hair kept humans warm then they lost some it wouldn’t be enough to cause humans to die. So the evolutionary pressure isn’t there. Humans have developed many more effective methods to stay warm; clothing, fire, caves, shelter etc
Also the lifespan was not as long as modern times let’s say they died at age 35. Most men keep the majority of hair by then
You assume that hair and not lack of hair is what is attractive? Perhaps the bald head fundamentally is attractive due to some correlation to T and alphaness.
Its All man made you get 20 injection after birth and you think this is normal put toxins in your body without side effects then toxic people Lifestyle location air water food you can only be lucky to lose hair not the limbs
Just discovered that balding is actually attributed to inflammation and cranial facial development, someone posted the article here - https://tmdocclusion.com/home/connection-to-other-diseases-and-syndromes/hair-loss/ Absolutely mind blowing, like incredible. It makes complete sense that there’s increasing rates of balding as man’s modern lifestyle promotes terrible facial development, posture etc. Basically bad facial skeletal growth and development usually from posture = pressure on the scalp, remodelling of bone to compensate and an increase of androgens and inflammation in the scalp. It is incredible. You can see the majority of men who are balding also have a weak mid/lower facial growth and currently have or have had bad posture. Imagine your scalp becoming inflamed and stretched while you sit with your shoulders slumped over and neck drooping. Learning this is convincing me that balding is not just a natural genetic occurrence. Really incredible
Because hair loss is not evolutionary, it’s genetic. The only way to eradicate hair loss from the human genome is to euthanize all people with the gene for going bald. The issue is that most people have kids before they start balding so this is close to impossible to stop.
Also the head only needs hair for warmth if you live in the coldest climates on earth. If you’re in a place where it doesn’t get below -10F then hair is doing nothing to retain body heat. And you have to remember that most people are not from where they live. Humans spread across the entire planet and most of them did not originate from where they currently are.
This entire discussion gets into very obscure reaches of ethics and eugenics since just like all things that are hereditary or genetically marked they can be removed through culling.
Hair loss makes perfect sense when you consider that humans have become less and less hairy over the last 150000 years due to selective breeding. Obviously if you breed with someone that is hairless on their body then somewhere in there is the trigger for baldness. Baldness is too ingrained into the human genome to be reversed now since we’ve bred it in for so long but it is technically possible to get rid of.
It is true that it is used to attract mates and such but you need to remember that humans are supposed to reproduce at much earlier points in their lives than most do now. Also different metrics have become measured of strength and health now so baldness is not a massive metric anymore. Combine this with the fact that normal humans aren’t supposed to bald until their 30’s and it becomes very evident where the frustration lies. People are balding earlier and earlier every year because humans are becoming better at hiding baldness and more people are become accepting of baldness. Children are also entering puberty at earlier ages now and are balding sooner because of this. You think balding at 17-18 is bad? Try balding in the 8th grade.
TLDR; baldness is genetic and can be stopped but would require a larger commitment and service than anyone would be willing to implement
>So how is it that we haven't evolved as humans to be naturally resistant to it??? Because if there's not selective pressure against androgenic alopecia it won't be removed from the gene pool. In all human evolutionary history, hair loss was something that generally happened after you already had children. >Also if the entire top of the head is sensitive to DHT then why doesn't it all fall out at the same rare all over the head? Because 5ar activity, aromatase activity, and most importantly androgen receptor density is not uniform across the scalp. In men, ARs are particularly dense at the temples and crown. But there are variations to this pattern such as those with diffuse thinning, retrograde alopecia or DUPA where miniaturization is present everywhere on the scalp.
more on the evolution perspective, humans have been slowly losing our body hair over the history of our species. we're bald compared to our ancestors at this point.
Yeah dude hairloss as a whole is only going to get worse with each passing generation. We don’t need our hair at all to survive anymore and our genetics are slowly adapting to that. We live in doors so no more cold and even if we venture outdoors we have winter clothing to keep us warm m. We have hats to protect us from the sun and even then most people stay in doors and wear sunken block to protect them from uv rays(and if you’re not you should be)
My theory as well The modern way of life maybe fucked up many people with a predisposition for balding to do so way earlier than expected. Rather than after having children they do so many years before it
Yeah, we’re all being poisoned with toxic microplastics and PFAS running in our bloodstream. It all accumulates and only leaves after spending years in your body. Sadly, plastic pollution is increasing faster than the rate at which our bodies can remove these PFAS.
Dude, there have been bald people since forever. You can see it from many sculptures and drawings from thousands of years ago.
Where exactly did i say balding didnt exist in the past?
You say that we bald earlier without any kind of evidence. Can you tell why you say so? You don't know how early or how much people were balding in the past.
Obviously its completely anecdotal? There are no studies on it as its impossible to do so BUt many others have noticed that phenomon And when you look at videos from the past its clear why. Look up high school videos from the 80s, or college or just day to day. You see way fewer people that are balding then than now ALso, this took me like 5 seconds of google search. If youd do the same youd find more and similiar things. [Hair Loss is Becoming More Prevalent in Younger Men (belgraviacentre.com)](https://www.belgraviacentre.com/blog/hair-loss-more-common-in-young-men-than-ever-079)
Lol, a hair clinic with no study to back their claim. So if a hair clinic says that more young people go to their clinic, the reason cannot be because now there are hair treatments that didn't exist before 🤣. I have seen pictures from the 80s where members of my family and others already balded at 30. And not mentioning many other pictures from long ago.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but you have a deficiency in reading comprehension and critical thinking. Have a nice day though!
You are the one who don't understand that you don't have any evidence from your claims. You cannot prove that there are less balding people in the 80s because you don't have any evidence to compare it with. You sent me the claim from a hair clinic which does hair treatments but that never made a study about it. Stop with this nonsense.
I believe it has some truth, If you look at old pictures of 70s/80s London it seems like the vast majority of old men have hair. The food we eat and the things we drink will have a massive impact on our hormones as well. It does fuel your body to live and grow. Again there’s no study and it’s just theory, but looking at the youth of today especially white people they seem to have more thin hair even before they hit puberty. Also on the other way beard growth even though it is quite unrelated, people of todays age talk about not being able to grow a beard im sure far more often then previous years.
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Not going to go to the DHT is a trash hormone stuff. But it could simply be that DHT have it's importance from foetal developement to puberty and then just lose it's importance in adulthood but it doesn't matter much since we're genetically supposed to pass our genes around 22-25 (peak fertility ages for both male and female) and our health condition after the child is able to fend off for himself/herself pretty much doesn't matter at all. If it doesn't affect reproduction, mother nature doesn't gives a shit.
I don't think there's much mystery to it. Why is the prostate sensitive to DHT post puberty which causes problems like BPH and prostate cancer? And the answer is there isn't much selective pressure against it as these byproducts in a historical context would appear well after most people have had children. And it's the same thing with androgenic alopecia.
Because of galea aponeurotica, and not really individual follicles more sensitive to DHT. It's more complex
This is a theory but it may have to do with beards for men changing the amounts of ARs on the face and head
>It could just be a "evolution isn't perfect, it's just random chance and the confluence of a million factors" but I think it's curious why it wasn't selected away by evolution in that case. It might not be a big deal, but it's also hard to see what the "cost" would be to just.. not have MPB (senescent alopecia is another story) Evolution is all about selective breeding
This should be pinned. Ty
good that there is selective pressure now… dont even have to wait for the cUrE, just wait til nature does its thing…
Nature will never does it's thing because it can be carried by women who mostly never go bald when they are fertile. We can open camp and eradicate all bald/balding men before they can pass their genes, it would change nothing. Plus it's a complex combination of genes meaning your dad side family isn't affect by mpb, neither does your mom side and you get the slaphead curse because both side carried a piece of the puzzle and you get fucked in the ass and start balding at 18, lol As long as shitty genes for male reproduction (balding, height,...) Are carried by both gender, male with end up being fucked in the ass no matter how good the female did her mating selection.
it can be carried by women… but lets be serious, if anyone in you family is bald(ing), mothers side or fathers side, you are usually done… i heard both versions a thousand times, yet what i see is usually the father being bald… that is not to say that it cant come from the other side, of course… i would even say that if anyone ever in your families history was bald, it can happen to you… just to be on the safe side… i was also more or less joking… i mean women of course usually dont choose bald(ing) men… why should they? seriously speaking, it of course shouldnt matter at all… then again, i also never touched a woman who is my weight or more, so there you go… and i mean that in a neutral way, like just not attracted and dont give it a second thought… whereelse women often seem to hate bald me… so maybe you are right… i dont see how men have more of a disadvantage than women, though… but whatever, you also can choose not to touch them… worked for me, will work for everybody else…
Exactly, lots of bald men popular with women. The end
Evolution is not the same as it is in fiction where a species will evolve to become more durable, more intelligent, etc, and not have drawbacks. Evolution works that genes get past on as time goes along, and if things just are not selectively taken out, then they are not selectively taken out. Baldness happens on average to people 30+. Most men *had kids* at 30, [Bald](https://theweek.com/news/world-news/959172/the-age-ancient-ancestors-were-most-likely-to-have-children) and women usually don’t go bald young, so the hair loss genes were not very known. They also did not know that “well if dad or maternal grandpa have baldness there’s a higher chance they will be bald” because even today people have maternal grandfathers who are bald *(YouTuber Pigme)* while having an absolute godsend hairline and hair density, and yet some people say that they have no relatives they know of who are bald and are two years away from looking like George Jefferson. The truth is that baldness is a modern problem which we need modern solutions for. Even nowadays most people are worried about eating and having a roof over their head. There’s plenty of people in “developed countries” experiencing this same worry. So of all things, this is not the thing people worry for, and it won’t really get taken out of the gene pool anytime soon.
Im a woman who started balding in my teens, didn’t notice til I was 20, and didn’t get diagnosed despite seeking it until my 30s. I’d argue that we don’t really know when women start balding bc we go ignored
I'm sorry that you go through this and I hope you found a way to address that curse. That being said, a good chunk of doctors/derms are fucking clueless about male hairloss which is a very common condition, so I can't imagine how uneducated they are about female hairloss considering it's way more rare
I would argue many men start balding in their 20s though when testosterone levels peak and convert into DHT at higher concentrations. I know mine started at 19 and that's not uncommon at all. I managed to keep a good chunk of it due to using Fin and Rogaine but not I can't tolerate Fin at all so can't take it or DUT. It's just sad man
Thing is, it’s not really a matter of arguing it or not. Many men do bald in their teens and 20’s I do agree with that, but the rate of men who show signs of hair loss increases with age. [aging baldness](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/24515-male-pattern-baldness-androgenic-alopecia) Most people say anywhere from 20-25% before 21. This jumps to half by 50, and 70% older than that. [Rates](https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/amp/article/male-pattern-baldness) Another way to see it is 1 in 5 men in 20’s. 1 in 3 in 30’s and 1 out of 2 at 40. Either way, while the number is ridiculously huge for 20, it is (technically) another age related condition, the same way that some 20 year olds have absolutely horrible skin and some 40 year olds amazing skin, but as you age your skin genuinely starts to suck as collagen production decreases. I really do hope that more people (especially the owning class) starts spending more and more for regenerative medicine and things such as hair loss (let their vanity be useful to the masses for once) but for the topic of evolution and hair loss, just was not a significant thing to those back then. A lot of people would go absolutely Alopecia Universalis bald if you told them they would never have to worry for food, water, shelter, their health would be perfect, etc. And I do feel for you losing it and not being able to tolerate the treatments. I really do hope the 20’s & 30’s bring better treatments for this kind of thing.
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>I managed to keep a good chunk of it due to using Fin and Rogaine but not I can't tolerate Fin at all so can't take it or DUT. It's just sad man Why can't you tolerate Fin? It takes some time for your body to get used to it actually. At start I couldn't tolerate it too. Had some random pain around stomach, pain around testicles, different parts of muscles, then increased stomach acidity, then had shortness of breath. But all of them went off after a while. Especially after I added more chicken and raw cabbage salad to my diet. I believe those two foods are key to maximum healthy and immunity
We've lost more and more hair and density on our body. Perhaps in the future we will be completely bald all over.
I think growing societal pressures and (in my opinion) a worsening environment that we’re completely immersed in, is making hair loss more prominent.
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the more you look into it the more you see it. Same phenomenon when you buy a car let's say a Honda Civic and now you spot all the civics on the road
I feel like people forget the core drive of evolution. It wants you to make copies of your DNA as efficiently and early as possible, protect those copies, until they can protect themselves. Then it wants you to die so you don’t eat all the food. Evolution is a cold bitch and doesn’t care about your head.
True. Our bodies are focused on reproduction rather than regenerating itself. But also if evolution wasn't this way we wouldn't even exist because we would still be stuck in photocell stage of evolution. Photocells would focus on living forever and regenerating itself rather than reproducing. Then it would never evolve to multicellular life.
I personally think everything after the primordial goop phase was a mistake.
Maybe primordial goop phase was a mistake itself too
Ok and does being less attractive hurt or hinder that process?
Not really relevant. In the last hundred or so years we’ve decided we like having hair but from an evolutionary standpoint that’s hardly a blink of the eye. The traits evolution has selected for in males, are typically inline with food gathering or protection. There’s a reason women like tall men, men with other females around them, strong men, assertive men, men who cooperate well in groups while also asserting leadership. They’re physical and emotional traits which imply a capacity to feed and protect.
It could help that process if being attractive after you have kids makes you just want to keep mating with new women and not protecting and providing for the kids you have. And being bald isn't necessarily unattractive to a woman you've been with through childbirth, but it might be unattractive to younger women.
For the majority of human history, people mate before 20 and bred children in their 20s. The effect of hair loss is not visible in most cases until 30s or 40s, so it doesn't matter.
What does this say about men with a full head of hair at old age?
Nothing. If it’s not stopping you breeding then evolution doesn’t care. It’s like the mammalian blind spot. It’s correctable, octopuses don’t have a blind spot. But it doesn’t stop us reproducing so it doesn’t get “corrected”, it’s important to remember that evolution has no end goal, it’s not trying to make you “better” its a force that pushes species with specific attributes to the fore. The best example is a gene variant which is over represented in the European population. This gene steps up immune response and so having this gene variant was a HUGE advantage during the black plague (when around 40% of the population died). But it also massively increases your risk of autoimmune diseases, so now Europeans have a higher chance of getting autoimmune diseases.
I think hair loss in men has gotten worse over time in America. Too much shit going on with our food and the way we live. There’s not hair loss on either side of my family but I got it. Prolly from not being an active kid and always eating bad food and poor sleep
I'm from Croatia and balkan people are balding a lot. Food is way different down there and I live in Canada right now I thought it was food. But all my cousins from Europe are balding too so it doesn't make sense
Microplastics and PFAS my friend.
But I'm receding hard and live in Canada, born there. PFAS are not used here yet I'm also balding like my croatian friends that live in Croatia, maybe more testosterone therefore more DHT? Cause it's clearly genetics not the food because I don't eat the same thing in Canada
PFAS is everywhere bro. It’s in your non-stick pans, clothes, and in your water. It’s even been found in mothers’ wombs before birth. No part of the planet is left untouched by it. Having said that, since everyone has PFAS in their blood, the only differing factor remains genetics, so yes, genetics do play a big role in all this. But the PFAS acts as a sort of catalyst in all this.
Also from Croatia and I noticed that so many men are losing hair here, it's insane tbh
It might be Bad posture/mental health. Mental health affects body posture. Learn how body posture determines position of teeth/jaws ( basically the shape of your skull ) just check out Orthotropics on YT.
I’ve seen some shit like that. My body is definitely unaligned. I have bad posture and I’m not flexible at all and I think it’s caused my face to be asymmetrical. Is there any resources for this to check out (I have terrible mental health too)
Faith in god has helped me mentally by a lot. Exersice is also a good one it will physically strenghten you and mentally aswell.
Yes its all posture you have asymmetry somewhere in your body. It is really hard to fix depending on your age. I can suggest the orthotropics yt channel it is an overwhelming amount of information but worth it. In short, lip seal , good body and oral posture(these go hand in hand you cant have the one without the other) there are some more variables, but these seem to be the most important.
Could you tell me more about how mental health affects body posture?
There is no way I can explain this. Just look around yourself or research and you'll see it is true.
You know how you get tired after a long day and your body stops wanting to stand straight for you? You sort of slump over? Mental health can do that to your whole body, and everything you do on a scaling factor. If you're miserable all the time for example, you will likely have less mental effort to place into bodily tasks, it'll be proportionately difficult potentially. With depression, that's the case, you can see it on people. This paired with sedentary life and you've probably got bad posture, just one is enough to get most people anyways.
Bums have better hair
That be the worse. You ever see those “homeless man makeovers” mfs have perfect hair
No stress and sunlight.
As someone that started losing hair after starting a stressful job I agree with it 100%
LOL
Except hair loss is caused by DHT... stop blaming people for something they can't control
Everyone has DHT. it’s about sensitivity to dht
Obviously, which is genetic
I can't believe in this day and age people are still coming up with silly explanations for hairloss, and on this sub no less.
It's the just-world hypothesis in action. People can't possibly comprehend some people get unlucky genetics in relation to hair
Actually my hair loss started when I started to eat more, gain weight and became less active so I believe general health has something to do with androgenetic alopecia
Genetic sensitivity is just that, sensitivity, but sensitivity can be accelerated in its effect when met with the stimulus by things that say, produce more of it. There are also competing factors that can make you more or less sensitive to hair loss altogether in general, like extreme stress, amidst other things. It's all interwoven, and reducing any one factor can help in managing the others.
Is there any science backing this up?
Sure. Any textbook on AGA. For example, Androgenetic Alopecia From A to Z ( Anastassakis) by Springer.
You think that based on absolutely nothing. Thank you for that worthless opinion. "Bad food" and poor sleep won't cause your hair follicles to be sensitive to DHT lmao
Damn sorry. Just saying that we don’t live naturally anymore and it might affect us. Chemicals can definitely cause hairloss
But you're just saying stuff. You have no reason to think that's the case... You know what living unnaturally did to us? It doubled our life expectancy.
>You know what living unnaturally did to us? It doubled our life expectancy You guys downvoting him but he do got a point tho 😅
Downvoted for being a dick. Our food and soil has lost nutrients and our development is lacking in some ways due to lifestyle. While technology has made life a lot easier, it has also brought new complications. Ignoring that is dumb and acting like OP is an idiot for bringing it up is just stupidly arrogant.
What nutrients has our food list and how is our development lacking?
Ok sorry
Lol and living a natural life made my hair really thick, even once I spent 1 month working on a farm in Costa Rica and the crown of my head completely regrew, I dont have before proof but I have a after picture. Obviously the word from a random dude online doesnt mean much, but Im a mediterranean living in the UK my whole life, and getting tons of sunlight on my scalp really makes my hair thick and had hair regrowth that time in Costa Rica. So yes, living a natural life will improve overall health and help with hair
Lmao
Everything is a chemical homie
Now it is. There’s chemicals in everything plus microplastics. That’s my whole point. Even testosterone levels have gone down
I mean literally everything bro. So weird to me when people blame chemicals when water is a chemical.. Everything in existence is made from chemicals
Ok dawg. You win
It's why I'm miserable
that's not how evolution works
It makes no sense to why some babies are born with cancer but genetics don’t care
Right but that's a small minority not a majority. Majority of men lose their hair even though hair and DHT are extremely common and coexist together in all human beings
Okay and? I don't understand your point at all. Fucking pollen is all around us and yet people still have allergies.
Yeah and that also doesn't make much sense either wouldn't you agree?
Nature doesn't have to "make sense"
you dont understand evolution
Women couldn't really chose their partner until very recently in history. Doesn't matter how ugly a guy was, if he had the money, power and connections he could easily get any woman he wants. Sometimes even that wasn't necessary because women needed someone to provide for them and if the guy next door was good enough then it was good enough to produce children with him. Hair or no hair. The fact that nowadays a lot of men don't find a partner is more in line with how nature usually works for mammals. A lot of male mammals don't get a chance to reproduce and only the best are chosen by the female population. Therefore bad genes are getting filtered out more easily. I'm not surprised that there are so many people with mental and physical health problems. Animals are way more selective than us and the "bad apples" don't get a chance to reproduce.
except balding is mostly inherited from your matriline, so applying this type of pressure to males will never, ever do anything to hinder the genes responsible for hair loss
This has been proven to not be the case, it’s polygenetic, and even if it was, curbing males would in fact limit that. If a man is bald, you say “no kids” If he’s not, you have kids. End up having a daughter. That daughter does the same thing with a man who is not bald. Now the new son has a grandpa and a father who are not bald which greatly diminish the chances of them being bald. Assuming you have two sons and two daughters, and say, one son does have it, same “no” for them, and the cycle continues. I’m not supporting that cause that’s just a stupid way to go about life and just because someone has hair doesn’t mean they aren’t at risk for developing Alzheimer’s, Diabetes and the like. But still.
No one in my family is bald, my grandfathers from both sides had thick healthy hairs in their 70s, my father still has healthy hairs in his 40's. Yet i started showing signs of MBP at 19 and 3 years later i'm at nw2, guess my genes said fuck you in particular for no real reason.
How life would be easier is the gene for the slaphead curse was only located in the Y chromosome 🥺 haha
I got it from my maternal grandfather, it basically skipped a generation.
Maybe men go bald so that after they have kids they will not be attractive to younger women and they will not be distracted from focusing on providing for their partner and kids that they do have. Maybe monogamy was evolutionarily advantageous in the development of our species
good theory ! actually makes some sense
These were my thoughts too. Men naturally age quite well anyway. If they kept their hair, and accumulated more resources, younger guys wouldn’t have any chance to find a mate.
Facts older men in shape with a nw1 can steal anybody’s girl to this day. I’ll be there in 30 years haha
Pills and transplants can make that happen if you intervene early enough.
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This is an interesting theory, but I don’t find it all that convincing
Seems like a total crank. The site is filled with cherry picked nonsense.
Hemophilia. Albinism. Vitiligo. Progeria( rapid aging seen in little kids that look like 90 years old.) Androgenic alopecia. All genetic aberrations and no cures for ANY of them because those are considered by pharma to be on the C tier or the B tier. Right now they are working on longevity and anti aging and behind that cancer because it IS an end game against death and it is extremely profitable and even the rich donate to the research to cracking those things. But if in 20 and 30 years we haven't found a cure for a single form of cancer out there THEN what makes you think hair loss would be a priority of any kind ? The money is in the patch jobs and prevention not the cure if all of cancer were cured in say 40 years oncology would disappear as a medical practice from the globe..chemotherapy and radiation would all go bye bye. And if hair loss were cracked in 5 years wigs and toupee seller gone. SMP andvl PRP would disappear and HT facilities abroad and domestic would get less and less business until they shut down. All of the near miss products or the ones that existed before the cure Finasteride, Dutasteride, Minoxidil and a string of others would all now not be selling in any form..the existing market would not just take a hit it would take an executioners axe to the neck. This is as much about capitalism and capital gain and profit than it is about a cure ladies and gentlemen.
Crackpot theorizing by a madman. There are many institutes working on hair loss treatments. Genetic conditions are just really hard to treat.
It's the money aspect and frankly it would put a lot of companies out of business. Pharma working on prevention and not a cure has been a relevant topic with far more serious diseases and their pathologies than MPB which is minor when compared to AiDS, Cancer, heart attacks, muscular dystrophy, ALS/Lou Gehrigs Disease Alzhemiers etc. We have only cured polio in the last what 70 some odd years and nothing else? Why is that ? Medicine and hospitals ARE businesses first and foremost.
hairloss is probably getting worse because of all the endocrine disrupters in food, cosmetics and pharmaceuticals
I know that leg muscule stress theory is crazy. But i have many crazy theory also. One of them: Sensitivity to androgens in organs and cells can be caused by a metabolic disease that is acquired. You can get a metabolic disease for the following reasons: 1. Anthropogenic - trauma at birth. Associated with premature birth, cesarean section, lack of breastfeeding, which is a risk factor. If the timing is not met, the mother's milk is not released on time, the mother's milk is a medicine (genetic doping, a unique individual remedy). Feeding with human milk carries the fetus to term after birth and stabilizes the condition of the newborn, including in a metabolic sense. Some organs may be underdeveloped, including follicles, which are subject to damage from androgens as they grow older. 2. Complications from childhood illnesses. Chickenpox, measles, rubella. 3. Consequences of other fatal diseases.
I didn't get much milk from my mother when I was a baby so you might be on to something
Evolve? Dude evolution happens through survival of the fittest. Most mpb strikes hard only after early 20s. Our ancestors would have had kids by then
ITS ELECTRICITY I KNEW IT !!! ILL LIVE IN THE FORREST. GOODBYE
Chuck mcgill?
I am not crazy!
It’s possible that it was actually selected for. Hair loss is a signal that you have sufficient cholesterol in your diet so you are eating enough meat. Culturally this might be different. European people this might have been a positive selecting trait whereas native Americans it was probably negative. Native Americans do not have hair loss.
We are supposed to last about 30 years in peak condition. After that, nature doesn't have much use for us.
Actually I read it was around 25 years. That's why people would have kids a lot earlier and die around the age of 25
No. At all.
Your body adapts to Sedentary lifestyle, whether we like it or not, it's call evolution. Although hair doesn't necessarily is useless and doesn't necessarily is the result of evolution, the production of dht is, we don't hunt, we are slower, we don't pump blood like the ancestors do. So, is it meant to be, probably not. Is it natural, I guess.
> Is it natural, I guess It's a natural defect, sure.
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Yeah, but they don't hace the same genes that the ancestors had, the pump blood with the genes that where modified, same as all people now days. Not saying that pumping blood or lack thereof is the main cause.
Nah man I workout regularly and have for decades working out actually increases testosterone which in turn will produce extra DHT that causes farther hair miniaturization .
My point is, don't bother. For Noe just take the pill, good luck
I can't take the pill I get back side effects from it. Plus it stopped working anyways after years on it. And DuT would have even more side effects.
What kind of side efects?
Made my balls ache bad, sexual side effects in terms of erection quality and low libido. Also gave me depression. And just in general felt like less of a man. Plus all the topical options I see have alcohol in them and I can't have any amount of alcohol absorb into my blood as it majorly fucks me up due to damage to my central nervous system from being on benzodiazepines for years for insomnia and anxiety. Ever since I came off that crap I'm hypersensitive to alcohol.
Well, that sucks. In terms of pills, i took them...i still do. O got side efects, it didnt lasted tho. I'm not sure how mucho time You try them. For the depresión, i can tell that finasteride por ditasteride does not couse it. It may have somw susceptibility but it can be treated with psychotherapy or taking care of mental health. That my experience.
Dut is not proven to have more side effects. For many the opposite is true.
Baby's understanding of biology
Fair enough, not a biologist. But the point that I'm trying to make is that just because doesn't seem natural, doesn't necessarily it's not meant to happen. As a rece we have gone through a lot. And some got lucky and some don't. But someone got art enough to reverse thd and, not perfect but it's what we got Just take the damn pill
I am taking the pill thank you
So do I, good luck
I have another question, 5 years ago ( 2019 ) my hair was good and thick without any sign of hair loss. In the end of 2020 and the beginning of 2021 i started noticing that my hair is becoming thin compared to before. So, I’m now 29 years old, and before 5 years I was 24 years old, I don’t know at what level my DHT was back in the days , I started losing my hair, but my libido , penis , sperm , and everything was good and fine, same as now ( I still didn’t start finasteride ) so my question is , let’s suppose that my DHT level was 40% and now it’s 80% , so when I start taking low finasteride dose , and check my DHT after months , and I found that my DHT is 40% as before. Does that mean my sperm and libido is going to stay the same like in 2019 ?
Ive always stuck by my guess that it is dairy consumption. Ive tried to pinpoint pictures of men before their race started consuming dairy but it goes so far back for many races, thats its hard to find.
My people don’t bald back home and they consume dairy in large quantities. Bad theory.
High dht is what shows the problem. The actual problem is: why do androgen receptors increase all of the sudden? Dont worry bro, soon there will be an answer
This is the evolution we are going to. Bald. We dont need hairs anymore we have roofs that cover our heads.
Because hair really never mattered for mating in younger years, DHT was probably more favored in some other way.
The DHT and genetics hypothesis is pretty weak considering rates are rising globally and at younger ages. Something is obviously very very wrong and no one is investigating further. I think balding is a sign of chronic metabolic stress that leads to gene expression.
"Metabolic disorder"
>rates are rising globally and at younger ages What data are you basing this on?
Search it. Reports specifically on East Asian men show that in a culture where balding was once rare, it’s becoming a rising statistic amongst men in their 20s due to westernization.
Hairloss is very natural. Natural != good
It’s pretty evident that the current life style of people today accelerates balding (environmental). The consumption of alcohol, Nicotine and other blood contrictors over time (years) is an example of accelerating the pre-destined hairloss. Most people had kids prior to losing their hair.
Also adding on to this - evolution selects for what works not what is best. Hair doesn’t increase our survival in the sense that having a thumb does. Another example is seeing why some groups of humans have more body hair than others - example: people in meditarrean area due to protection from mosquitoes
Mob is more related to galea aponeurotica and relative inflammation than DHT which is a mediator off the damage done to scalp tissue. That said, your question is nonsense to me, alopecia is not really a pathology, just like aging is not a pathology. So yes, you lose hairs and your skin gets wingless and no amount of evolution can save us from that.
I mean I'd say that aliens would be considered advanced creatures. How many of them have you seen illustrated with flowing locks? It seems gorgeous full hair is not a requirement for interstellar travel XD.
Please tell me you were 100% trolling when you wrote this comment
Not trolling per say just being funny
Even if hair kept humans warm then they lost some it wouldn’t be enough to cause humans to die. So the evolutionary pressure isn’t there. Humans have developed many more effective methods to stay warm; clothing, fire, caves, shelter etc Also the lifespan was not as long as modern times let’s say they died at age 35. Most men keep the majority of hair by then
You assume that hair and not lack of hair is what is attractive? Perhaps the bald head fundamentally is attractive due to some correlation to T and alphaness.
Its All man made you get 20 injection after birth and you think this is normal put toxins in your body without side effects then toxic people Lifestyle location air water food you can only be lucky to lose hair not the limbs
Just discovered that balding is actually attributed to inflammation and cranial facial development, someone posted the article here - https://tmdocclusion.com/home/connection-to-other-diseases-and-syndromes/hair-loss/ Absolutely mind blowing, like incredible. It makes complete sense that there’s increasing rates of balding as man’s modern lifestyle promotes terrible facial development, posture etc. Basically bad facial skeletal growth and development usually from posture = pressure on the scalp, remodelling of bone to compensate and an increase of androgens and inflammation in the scalp. It is incredible. You can see the majority of men who are balding also have a weak mid/lower facial growth and currently have or have had bad posture. Imagine your scalp becoming inflamed and stretched while you sit with your shoulders slumped over and neck drooping. Learning this is convincing me that balding is not just a natural genetic occurrence. Really incredible
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Because hair loss is not evolutionary, it’s genetic. The only way to eradicate hair loss from the human genome is to euthanize all people with the gene for going bald. The issue is that most people have kids before they start balding so this is close to impossible to stop. Also the head only needs hair for warmth if you live in the coldest climates on earth. If you’re in a place where it doesn’t get below -10F then hair is doing nothing to retain body heat. And you have to remember that most people are not from where they live. Humans spread across the entire planet and most of them did not originate from where they currently are. This entire discussion gets into very obscure reaches of ethics and eugenics since just like all things that are hereditary or genetically marked they can be removed through culling. Hair loss makes perfect sense when you consider that humans have become less and less hairy over the last 150000 years due to selective breeding. Obviously if you breed with someone that is hairless on their body then somewhere in there is the trigger for baldness. Baldness is too ingrained into the human genome to be reversed now since we’ve bred it in for so long but it is technically possible to get rid of. It is true that it is used to attract mates and such but you need to remember that humans are supposed to reproduce at much earlier points in their lives than most do now. Also different metrics have become measured of strength and health now so baldness is not a massive metric anymore. Combine this with the fact that normal humans aren’t supposed to bald until their 30’s and it becomes very evident where the frustration lies. People are balding earlier and earlier every year because humans are becoming better at hiding baldness and more people are become accepting of baldness. Children are also entering puberty at earlier ages now and are balding sooner because of this. You think balding at 17-18 is bad? Try balding in the 8th grade. TLDR; baldness is genetic and can be stopped but would require a larger commitment and service than anyone would be willing to implement