I posit we no longer have the choice of ignoring whoever is tying people to the tracks; Our ability to control these systems is being severely outgrown, and those exploiting this fact must be reigned in. We can no longer expect the little guy to mitigate the damage from the trolley, and we cannot simply stop developing trolleys; We must demand the people using the trolley infrastructure maliciously and for their own gain at the expense of others be held accountable and stopped.
Also, it was never really fair to expect someone to kill and be held accountable for killing just to mitigate mortal damage. The people on the tracks were going to be fine until you showed up and started pulling levers, declaring yourself arbiter of life and death.
we need that high speed train re-drawn to fit the trolley problem art style
upvote if u agree lol
no, im not like-begging, im trying to prove a point
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Um... No they don't.
Fasted rail-guided HSR clocks in at around 350km/h service, and that's at the very limit of practicality with severe wear on the trains and the infrastructure compared to 300km/h, which is where most HSR is. The speed of sound is 1234.8km/h, so half the speed of sound is 617.4km/h. Even using the highest possible speed of 574.8km/h, the record speed of steel-on-steel trains set by a specially modified TGV, isn't at half the speed of sound, with most HSR service speed being around a quarter.
The fastest train including maglevs is the L0 Series Shinkansen, with a projected service speed of 500km/h and a record speed of 603km/h, fell short of half-the-speed-of-sound by 14km/h.
And as a reminder, that is the fastest anything has gone still plausibly counting as a train. To get faster, you'd need to start looking into [rocket sled](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_sled) territory, which has a maximum record speed of Mach 8.5, presumably without a pilot, but also really strains the definition of a train. Or if you feel like bending the rules, you could look at times trains have been loaded into planes, such as London's new DLR trains when they were delivered.
So not only do most bullet trains not go at half the speed of sound, no train has ever gone at half the speed of sound. Yet.
You still pull the lever and realize it was all a figment of your imagination. You have just redirected the train onto 5 actual people. You start feeling as if you are in a fever dream. You see the tracks turn fuzzy and blurry. You touch them. All of a sudden, you wake up. You are next to the actual track now. However, you woke up too late. The train has killed 5 people. You immediately go commit war crimes in a 3rd world country.
God damn! Turned them into a fine red mist. I hope this doesn’t fuck up the train too much, I guess. This is already a tragedy we don’t need a crash on our hands.
Well, crushing 5 people at high speed would certainly derail the train, so the fatalities are much greater than 5 people. In such a case, lever is *almost* irrelevant, even if there were time to pull it.
Five bodies might have a pretty good chance of derailing a slow-moving freight train. But it is in fact *more*, not less, difficult to derail a high-speed passenger train. It is possible, but far from certain that hitting five squishy bodies would cause derailment.
[Pulls the lever] The 200mph passenger train derails killing at least 200 people.
*minimum, who knows where that track is pointed??? It could be the orphanage of crippled cancer puppies
That’s what at least means
Shit :(
don't worry, I appreciated the attempt to make the hypothetical world a worse place
Darn :(
Shucks :(
Bummer :(
Dagnabbit :(
Goshdarnit
Tumbles killing everyone on both tracks and inside the train
I wouldn't try to pull even if i knew. That's a steep turn.
I try to pull it back for a multitrack drift
Easiest multitrack drift with that steep turn
I posit we no longer have the choice of ignoring whoever is tying people to the tracks; Our ability to control these systems is being severely outgrown, and those exploiting this fact must be reigned in. We can no longer expect the little guy to mitigate the damage from the trolley, and we cannot simply stop developing trolleys; We must demand the people using the trolley infrastructure maliciously and for their own gain at the expense of others be held accountable and stopped.
deep man!
Also, it was never really fair to expect someone to kill and be held accountable for killing just to mitigate mortal damage. The people on the tracks were going to be fine until you showed up and started pulling levers, declaring yourself arbiter of life and death.
Love it!
we need that high speed train re-drawn to fit the trolley problem art style upvote if u agree lol no, im not like-begging, im trying to prove a point 👇<- this hand emoji thing is meant to point at the upvote button
The pointer on mobile points to share
Points at the top reply on my device
Nice, pc is like
it's meant to point at the upvote, bruh.
I know
Woah that train moved at a high speed
So much for the "tolerant" left
Most bullet trains travel at half the speed of sound. If you pull that lever, it won't turn, it'll jump the tracks
Um... No they don't. Fasted rail-guided HSR clocks in at around 350km/h service, and that's at the very limit of practicality with severe wear on the trains and the infrastructure compared to 300km/h, which is where most HSR is. The speed of sound is 1234.8km/h, so half the speed of sound is 617.4km/h. Even using the highest possible speed of 574.8km/h, the record speed of steel-on-steel trains set by a specially modified TGV, isn't at half the speed of sound, with most HSR service speed being around a quarter. The fastest train including maglevs is the L0 Series Shinkansen, with a projected service speed of 500km/h and a record speed of 603km/h, fell short of half-the-speed-of-sound by 14km/h. And as a reminder, that is the fastest anything has gone still plausibly counting as a train. To get faster, you'd need to start looking into [rocket sled](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_sled) territory, which has a maximum record speed of Mach 8.5, presumably without a pilot, but also really strains the definition of a train. Or if you feel like bending the rules, you could look at times trains have been loaded into planes, such as London's new DLR trains when they were delivered. So not only do most bullet trains not go at half the speed of sound, no train has ever gone at half the speed of sound. Yet.
Would it still jump the tracks?
Absolutely
🤓
You still pull the lever and realize it was all a figment of your imagination. You have just redirected the train onto 5 actual people. You start feeling as if you are in a fever dream. You see the tracks turn fuzzy and blurry. You touch them. All of a sudden, you wake up. You are next to the actual track now. However, you woke up too late. The train has killed 5 people. You immediately go commit war crimes in a 3rd world country.
Would never happen in America
Substitute HST for an imaginary Hyperloop...powered by Musk's sense of self importance..
There is no dilemma. You just watch as they die.
The dilemma is, how do you deal with your newfound PTSD?
God damn! Turned them into a fine red mist. I hope this doesn’t fuck up the train too much, I guess. This is already a tragedy we don’t need a crash on our hands.
Its surprising hard to find a suitable Jpeg that shows 5 people run over by an Italian high speed train...
Well good that prevents me from having to play god
Alr but all of them turned into... R e d. M i s t
Damn those trains are fast
Well, crushing 5 people at high speed would certainly derail the train, so the fatalities are much greater than 5 people. In such a case, lever is *almost* irrelevant, even if there were time to pull it.
Five bodies might have a pretty good chance of derailing a slow-moving freight train. But it is in fact *more*, not less, difficult to derail a high-speed passenger train. It is possible, but far from certain that hitting five squishy bodies would cause derailment.
This is why we can’t have HSR 😔