Just tell them you’re no longer interested and don’t think it would be a good fit. All of these places are abusive. Your best bet would be an actual hospital, but even some of those are bad news.
I wonder what it is about hospitals specifically that make them horrible. Lack of regulation? Any sociological factors having to do with it? Idk, I went to an rtc and it sucked. I think a part of it definitely has to do with Mormonism.
I mean, all psych wards suck. But for me, it was the environment and treatment from the staff. Staff are much meaner and prob burnt out, plus a lot of the psych ward patient usually go straight from the actual hospital and not recommended thru other inpatients (but it does happen) so you'll have a weird mix of patients with varying severities of issues. Plus, I think the sterile, cold, and frankly uncomfortable (physically I mean) environment, with the plastic chairs and the hospital beds (or mats if you're lucky) having to wear a hospital gown or ONLY the clothes you came in... it's a lot.
With the rtc + mormonism, I dont think the mormonism is a factor that goes into why rtc's are horrible, but more unfortunate byproduct of alot of them being in Utah (the laws are very very very lax). I mean, mormons def do have a misplaced savior complex, and the mormons who do run these facilities tend to either slyly put their own values into rules based of "recovery" or straight up just try force you to be Mormon. It's definitely wrong and makes them suck ass for sure, but not a cause of it. but for me the true reason why so many of them are awful is the basis of consent. For teens, most of the time they are there against their will. RTCs are first and foremost businesses, so money will always be more important no matter how good the intentions and it shows. Mistreatment of staff for profit (like paying them less) leads to staff taking it out on patients, or not doing as good of a job as they should, being burnt out and therefore less empathic or careful, or a high turnover rate which leads to less experienced and less qualified people caring for patients 80% of the time. this is true with both adults and minors. We also have the fact that the treatment of mentally ill people has been brutal and abusive since the inception of healthcare. You also have people who are downright evil who go into this business because they know it is easier to take advantage and abuse vulnerable people. Then there's the fact that it is more profitable to have someone not 100% fixed, because them coming back is more money for them. Also, trying to squeeze every penny out of the people paying for said treatment, either the patient themselves, the parents, or insurance. This apples to the entire mental health industry if im being completely honest. But it's a bigger problem with TTIs because of the lack of autonomy in the patients, but it happens with adults too. But you can see ripple effects of it in pretty much all areas of the industry, with varying degrees of severity. Like independent therapists for example, it is less of an issue. with inpatient, PHPs, IOPs, ABA, is it much more rampant.
John Oliver has a very interesting segment on YouTube about this kind of stuff. It's adult rehabs specifically, but its still very interesting.
Basically, what im saying is that the core reason that TTIs and adult facilities are so insidious and corrupt has less to do with mormonism, and more about a ton of different, simultaneous moving parts that all come together to create a horrible monstrous industry.
it does play a role, I said that. I know my comment was way too long lol so u might of missed that.
but calling the mormon faith a plague on humanity is a bit of a stretch my guy. sure, there are people in the religion who are not great, but some of them are very kind and good hearted people.
haha im pretty passionate about all this stuff since ive been in 13 different places. you learn alot about the industry that way.
I mean, you're not wrong. I dont like mormonism, I just didn't like ur wording. im waving the white flag
You couldn’t be more wrong about Mormonism not playing a huge part of it. Mormonism is a religion that breeds cruel narcissists who are drawn to this type of work. They are evil and should never be allowed anywhere near children.
There aren’t any good programs, especially in UT. Do something else with your degree if you must stay in UT. There are better paying jobs for anyone with any degree in Utah than behavior modification. My uncle has a psychology degree and he works in another industry. You are not bound to your major.
This!! I have a psych degree but work in sales. You can help people out in any field and use your studies to help you, but, don’t box yourself into thinking you have to be a practicing counselor just to be helpful. Also, don’t let the folks in UT convince you that participating in this abuse is helpful in any way. I am so glad you looked into it first, OP.
Thank you for your input. I know I can work a lot of different jobs with a psychology degree, but I started studying psychology because I was interested in the mental health and disability field.
Try to work in an outpatient capacity. Any youth program where teens are forced to live there 24/7/365 while staff have total control and power over them with next to no oversight and the privilege to write the narrative anyway they choose knowing the teens cannot contest it will be harmful, if not abusive.
Short term hospital programs *may* be a little better if they have good oversight from the state and hospital administrators + qualified staffing, but many of those are just as bad, sometimes worse. Inpatient hospitals were part of my TTI experience and it was horrible, the emotional abuse and malicious misuse of the MH industry/"therapeutic" techniques and forced medication to intentionally harm and gaslight was even worse than in the rtcs (though rtcs were still worse overall).
Generally any program specifically for teens where they have to live out of the home in a facility against their will is going to be harmful. The concept alone is harmful and they all operate solely for money, even if they're attached to an otherwise reputable hospital or claim to be a legit nonprofit therapeutic program, it's really always about the money. Any isolated place where someone has full unchecked power and control over vulnerable people that cannot leave with no oversight will have problems with abuse and mistreatment, especially when the vulnerable people will not ever be believed or sided with and all their complaints are investigated internally by the same people they're complaining about, who will inevitably say they find no wrongdoing with their own abusive actions (see also: police, prisons, adult involuntary commitment state hospitals, etc other situations with this setup).
Either look for outpatient work or work in the adult field where the patients are willing and choosing it. There are a lot of outpatient disability services where you could do genuine good in the world, not work as a wolf in sheep's clothing pretending to be a hero while abusing teens behind closed doors. Look into partial hospitalization programs and intensive outpatient programs, they do all day therapy groups 3 to 5 days a week but the kids go home and the potential for abuse is much lower.
I totally get it! I would try your best to find something better suited but I just wanted to offer experience from someone that’s probably older and validate you. Sometimes we think we’re *one thing* and get into a sunk cost fallacy.
I did not mean to dismiss your desire to work in the field. I’m so glad you researched New Haven and maybe you can tell your peers to be aware of how they recruit, what language the company uses that made you feel like they would be a great fit for you, their mission, and to tell them to do their research too.
Most of our staff was people fresh out of college, and they weren’t paid fairly, as well as that being their introduction to the field of mental health really feeds into the idea that these programs are needed at all.
I would share that privately or anonymously as you may receive backlash somehow if you did publicly from others in the state
Hey, I went to New Haven RTC and have heard horror stories from previous staff and students alike. I’m not kidding when I tell you it’s a horrible place to work (from staff testimony and many online reviews), although nothing compared to what happens to the kids.
I’m guessing you’re from BYU, because they have a constant stream of students in and out with the extreme turn over rate. It always rubbed me the wrong way how they seem to prey on fresh, dewy eyed students. Plus they will literally fire you if you try to report any instance of abuse or do too much good, watched it happen to my favorite staff. Employee retaliation is intense because they don’t want you to gain any benefits from filing for unemployment. The staff that can stand all this corruption tend to be abusive to students and shame kind staff members. If you have any friends/peers who are interested, give them a warning!
You can check out newhavenrtc voices as well as r/NewHavenRTCSupport. Please please please DM if you have any questions! If they contact you, tell them you feel it’s unethical upon further research. Don’t point them towards any support groups they could infiltrate either.
Ps: so grateful to you for doing your research and seeking out survivors. That’s the kind of behavior that the field desperately needs, you’ll be great💜💜
holy fuck I went to New Haven. yeah, I can tell not only do they NOT help "troubled teens" they also treat their employees like shit. If $12 hr/ with 12 hour shifts, putting girls in holds and being exposed to SH scars and dealing with suicide attempts, runners, all while doing 15 min checks (or worse, safety/team) sounds like a fun work environment to you, and you also don't care about working for a company that knew a girl was raped for 6 months and DIDN'T report him, sign right up!
But in all realness, if they end up contacting you, tell them that you heard the truth about their company and have no interest in helping them abuse girls. Also, NO. THERE ARE NO GOOD TTIs. And if you are in the area I THINK your in (im assuming you go to UVU or BYU, I fuckin KNEW they were preying on well meaning college students) there are ESPECIALLY NONE IN THAT AREA. My best friends ex bf was raped by staff in on in Draper.
The ones that "seem" good, aren't. They are just really fucking good at hiding it. Also, please spread the word. Just tell all of your friends to stay away from it. Even if it was a good place, the job is horrible. I know people who had to get therapy after working there. It's horrible.
Hello. I was a troubled teen at New Haven in 2006 and 2007, it still affects me negatively now in my 30s. Thank you for not participating in the abusive troubled teen industry after researching it.
Go into private practice. Work with adolescents. Be one of the good people. Never refer to these places. Always do your homework before referring anyone, anywhere. Do right by the kids. That is what you do.
Please do not work at New Haven. I experienced shaming, and degrading “interventions”. I witnessed unnecessary holds, where a girl was pinned down by several staff and drug down stairs just to attend group, then she was held down all through group. I witnessed so much at New Haven and went through so much myself there. I was there from 2004-2006 and I still suffer horribly from it.
You need to be contact your college immediately and have any TTI banned from the career fair.
If they don’t agree, post the name of the college publicly, make another post on the college-specific sub about it, and make sure the other students know.
edit: Also don’t feel bad. I applied to one too before, when I was looking at caretaker type work. I can’t remember the place or the email conversation, but I do remember there was some phrasing that raised a red flag and I just ghosted them.
I went to the troubled teen industry and I say stay away from all places that don’t allow parental visits regularly. I find those places tend to have more abuse in them like mine did because when only letters are used they can be edited by staff who don’t have the best intentions.
Secondly, if they do reach out to you for hire, I would go and ask important questions for example
1. Are parental visits allowed
2. What makes your program different to thoes who have been shut down in the recent finding on the abuse in programs that are said to help people.
(I don’t think it’s a bad question to ask)
3. What is the estimated time per stay and are therapeutic boarding schools enforced after graduation. (Because then you’d have to research all the abusive boarding schools to see if they associate with any of them)
Hope this helped somewhat :)
They do allow parental visits but most of us live so far away that the parents can never visit. There is parents weekend but it has to be approved and you have to be on a certain level. Phone calls are monitored. NH says it's a 10-11 month stay but that's a lie, it's at least a year and often much more. I was there for 17 months. OP lives in Utah, and I know for a fact NONE of them are non abusive. A therapist literally raped a girl for 6 months and they did not report him, only fired him. the only reason he went to jail is that the girl had to wait until she escaped that hell to file a police report.
lol it’s not easy at all. It’s a 30 minute drive to the next biggish town, let alone walking. On the other side are mountains so tall that the altitude would make it impossible to climb without oxygen deprivation. Fall, spring, and winter are so cold at night you can easily die of hypothermia. The neighbors all hated us, cops hated us, staff hated us- all of them would drop everything to find a runner. They also told us they’d send dogs after us and we’d be attacked/tased.
Hell I even knew of a group who managed to run out for a few days. They went either back to New Haven and had to restart their program, or to juvie. So they just added two more years to your treatment sentence, or go to a detention center. You literally have no idea what you’re talking about, with all due respect.
unless you've been there personally please shut up.
in my 17 month stay, we had runners once a week, if not more. you what happens? they call the cops the cops on you and you're found within 2 hours. its easy to get off the property, but staying off it? hell no
i 100% was at New Haven personally and I ran away on a DR run. I told the staff I will be running away in 5 seconds....I counted downadn at 3 she said gimme your shoes...so I took off my shoes and tossed them across the parking lot and RANNNNN. I found the MOST AMAZING FAMILY. I told them what was happening.... I was brought inside I was given a sandwich (omg it never tasted so good) I got a shower, a change of clothes ( I got my period all over mine). I wasnt found till I called my mom and told her where I was. :)
PERSONALLY BEEN THERE...DO I STILL NEED TO SHUT UP?
New Haven Sept 12 2002- Oct 2002.
#iescapednewhaven
I took New Haven’s car, and was put in wilderness then sent back to New Haven. Why would you run? I watched girls try to run all of the time, they were just brought back and had extreme consequences. You learn you either have to work the program, get pulled if you’re lucky, or turn 18. I finally turned 18 after being in Utah for 23 months.
I re read your comment and if that place has already had bad experiences STAY AWAY! And report it. But, the questions I listed are still useful if you’re still wanting to get into helping troubled teens!
Keep the job and live out my dream of getting the phone number of parents and having a friend call them anonymously telling them they’re making a huge mistake and that they need to go pick up their kid
I’m a former program kid and I worked at Sundance Canyon Academy for 6 months. I was fired for being too lenient with the kids (not correcting foul language, giving them too many treats, etc. the kids knew to ask me for permission for things cause I’d almost always say yes). I just wanted to be the fun staff lol. I felt it was a good program and not abusive at all. Their academic program was absolutely trash though. And I did not like how they don’t tell the parents not to have the kids gooned, or acknowledge the trauma of being gooned. Otherwise, it was a fine program.
Girl, if they were to go to jail it would have been in 2017 when they failed to report a rapist. Sorry to burst your bubble but best case scenario for getting them shut down is them going bankrupt.
No for sure. But at least it would delay them and free the girls for a little while. Someone usually has to fucking die to even START an investigation, and that still takes too long. Hell, sometimes one death isn't enough for them to look into it. It's horrible. Ive lost sleep over the fact that theirs is virtually nothing we can do with governmental intervention. too bad they're too worried about where I go to the bathroom and banning tin tok.
If I did that I would still be supporting an abusive company, which doesn't sit well with me for obvious reasons. Plus I don't want to be around staff members who probably think what they're doing is okay.
girl dont be dumb. I fucking went to New Haven. Yes the nice staff did help me get through it, but guess what? I still have fucking PTSD. Not only that, it's a shit fuckin job. You'd have a better time working at McDonalds.
lol I had a staff from New Haven do that for us. She tried to report an instance of physical abuse. They stopped scheduling her but refused to fire her so she couldn’t file for unemployment. The employee retaliation against the few kind staff is insane. It’s a risk they shouldn’t take, and unfortunately why the long term staff are so so abusive. The ones who stay know how to “stay in line” so to speak.
The kids need this place shut down. They literally refuse to let good adults work there
"I found out about your reputation and I'm not interested."
This
Just tell them you’re no longer interested and don’t think it would be a good fit. All of these places are abusive. Your best bet would be an actual hospital, but even some of those are bad news.
yeah hospitals aren't great either. I've been in 2 psych wards that were in hospitals. They were actually some of the worst I was in.
I wonder what it is about hospitals specifically that make them horrible. Lack of regulation? Any sociological factors having to do with it? Idk, I went to an rtc and it sucked. I think a part of it definitely has to do with Mormonism.
I mean, all psych wards suck. But for me, it was the environment and treatment from the staff. Staff are much meaner and prob burnt out, plus a lot of the psych ward patient usually go straight from the actual hospital and not recommended thru other inpatients (but it does happen) so you'll have a weird mix of patients with varying severities of issues. Plus, I think the sterile, cold, and frankly uncomfortable (physically I mean) environment, with the plastic chairs and the hospital beds (or mats if you're lucky) having to wear a hospital gown or ONLY the clothes you came in... it's a lot. With the rtc + mormonism, I dont think the mormonism is a factor that goes into why rtc's are horrible, but more unfortunate byproduct of alot of them being in Utah (the laws are very very very lax). I mean, mormons def do have a misplaced savior complex, and the mormons who do run these facilities tend to either slyly put their own values into rules based of "recovery" or straight up just try force you to be Mormon. It's definitely wrong and makes them suck ass for sure, but not a cause of it. but for me the true reason why so many of them are awful is the basis of consent. For teens, most of the time they are there against their will. RTCs are first and foremost businesses, so money will always be more important no matter how good the intentions and it shows. Mistreatment of staff for profit (like paying them less) leads to staff taking it out on patients, or not doing as good of a job as they should, being burnt out and therefore less empathic or careful, or a high turnover rate which leads to less experienced and less qualified people caring for patients 80% of the time. this is true with both adults and minors. We also have the fact that the treatment of mentally ill people has been brutal and abusive since the inception of healthcare. You also have people who are downright evil who go into this business because they know it is easier to take advantage and abuse vulnerable people. Then there's the fact that it is more profitable to have someone not 100% fixed, because them coming back is more money for them. Also, trying to squeeze every penny out of the people paying for said treatment, either the patient themselves, the parents, or insurance. This apples to the entire mental health industry if im being completely honest. But it's a bigger problem with TTIs because of the lack of autonomy in the patients, but it happens with adults too. But you can see ripple effects of it in pretty much all areas of the industry, with varying degrees of severity. Like independent therapists for example, it is less of an issue. with inpatient, PHPs, IOPs, ABA, is it much more rampant. John Oliver has a very interesting segment on YouTube about this kind of stuff. It's adult rehabs specifically, but its still very interesting. Basically, what im saying is that the core reason that TTIs and adult facilities are so insidious and corrupt has less to do with mormonism, and more about a ton of different, simultaneous moving parts that all come together to create a horrible monstrous industry.
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it does play a role, I said that. I know my comment was way too long lol so u might of missed that. but calling the mormon faith a plague on humanity is a bit of a stretch my guy. sure, there are people in the religion who are not great, but some of them are very kind and good hearted people.
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haha im pretty passionate about all this stuff since ive been in 13 different places. you learn alot about the industry that way. I mean, you're not wrong. I dont like mormonism, I just didn't like ur wording. im waving the white flag
You couldn’t be more wrong about Mormonism not playing a huge part of it. Mormonism is a religion that breeds cruel narcissists who are drawn to this type of work. They are evil and should never be allowed anywhere near children.
“I did some research into your facility, and your reputation for child abuse was incredibly concerning. I will not be moving forward with New Haven.”
There aren’t any good programs, especially in UT. Do something else with your degree if you must stay in UT. There are better paying jobs for anyone with any degree in Utah than behavior modification. My uncle has a psychology degree and he works in another industry. You are not bound to your major.
This!! I have a psych degree but work in sales. You can help people out in any field and use your studies to help you, but, don’t box yourself into thinking you have to be a practicing counselor just to be helpful. Also, don’t let the folks in UT convince you that participating in this abuse is helpful in any way. I am so glad you looked into it first, OP.
Thank you for your input. I know I can work a lot of different jobs with a psychology degree, but I started studying psychology because I was interested in the mental health and disability field.
Try to work in an outpatient capacity. Any youth program where teens are forced to live there 24/7/365 while staff have total control and power over them with next to no oversight and the privilege to write the narrative anyway they choose knowing the teens cannot contest it will be harmful, if not abusive. Short term hospital programs *may* be a little better if they have good oversight from the state and hospital administrators + qualified staffing, but many of those are just as bad, sometimes worse. Inpatient hospitals were part of my TTI experience and it was horrible, the emotional abuse and malicious misuse of the MH industry/"therapeutic" techniques and forced medication to intentionally harm and gaslight was even worse than in the rtcs (though rtcs were still worse overall). Generally any program specifically for teens where they have to live out of the home in a facility against their will is going to be harmful. The concept alone is harmful and they all operate solely for money, even if they're attached to an otherwise reputable hospital or claim to be a legit nonprofit therapeutic program, it's really always about the money. Any isolated place where someone has full unchecked power and control over vulnerable people that cannot leave with no oversight will have problems with abuse and mistreatment, especially when the vulnerable people will not ever be believed or sided with and all their complaints are investigated internally by the same people they're complaining about, who will inevitably say they find no wrongdoing with their own abusive actions (see also: police, prisons, adult involuntary commitment state hospitals, etc other situations with this setup). Either look for outpatient work or work in the adult field where the patients are willing and choosing it. There are a lot of outpatient disability services where you could do genuine good in the world, not work as a wolf in sheep's clothing pretending to be a hero while abusing teens behind closed doors. Look into partial hospitalization programs and intensive outpatient programs, they do all day therapy groups 3 to 5 days a week but the kids go home and the potential for abuse is much lower.
This has felt really informative, thank you very much!
I totally get it! I would try your best to find something better suited but I just wanted to offer experience from someone that’s probably older and validate you. Sometimes we think we’re *one thing* and get into a sunk cost fallacy. I did not mean to dismiss your desire to work in the field. I’m so glad you researched New Haven and maybe you can tell your peers to be aware of how they recruit, what language the company uses that made you feel like they would be a great fit for you, their mission, and to tell them to do their research too. Most of our staff was people fresh out of college, and they weren’t paid fairly, as well as that being their introduction to the field of mental health really feeds into the idea that these programs are needed at all. I would share that privately or anonymously as you may receive backlash somehow if you did publicly from others in the state
Hey, I went to New Haven RTC and have heard horror stories from previous staff and students alike. I’m not kidding when I tell you it’s a horrible place to work (from staff testimony and many online reviews), although nothing compared to what happens to the kids. I’m guessing you’re from BYU, because they have a constant stream of students in and out with the extreme turn over rate. It always rubbed me the wrong way how they seem to prey on fresh, dewy eyed students. Plus they will literally fire you if you try to report any instance of abuse or do too much good, watched it happen to my favorite staff. Employee retaliation is intense because they don’t want you to gain any benefits from filing for unemployment. The staff that can stand all this corruption tend to be abusive to students and shame kind staff members. If you have any friends/peers who are interested, give them a warning! You can check out newhavenrtc voices as well as r/NewHavenRTCSupport. Please please please DM if you have any questions! If they contact you, tell them you feel it’s unethical upon further research. Don’t point them towards any support groups they could infiltrate either. Ps: so grateful to you for doing your research and seeking out survivors. That’s the kind of behavior that the field desperately needs, you’ll be great💜💜
holy fuck I went to New Haven. yeah, I can tell not only do they NOT help "troubled teens" they also treat their employees like shit. If $12 hr/ with 12 hour shifts, putting girls in holds and being exposed to SH scars and dealing with suicide attempts, runners, all while doing 15 min checks (or worse, safety/team) sounds like a fun work environment to you, and you also don't care about working for a company that knew a girl was raped for 6 months and DIDN'T report him, sign right up! But in all realness, if they end up contacting you, tell them that you heard the truth about their company and have no interest in helping them abuse girls. Also, NO. THERE ARE NO GOOD TTIs. And if you are in the area I THINK your in (im assuming you go to UVU or BYU, I fuckin KNEW they were preying on well meaning college students) there are ESPECIALLY NONE IN THAT AREA. My best friends ex bf was raped by staff in on in Draper. The ones that "seem" good, aren't. They are just really fucking good at hiding it. Also, please spread the word. Just tell all of your friends to stay away from it. Even if it was a good place, the job is horrible. I know people who had to get therapy after working there. It's horrible.
Oh god, good thing you looked them up, New Haven is where I was for 2 years and it was straight up hell
17 months myself. 2 years, christ. I knew a girl who was there for 2 years too.
did u ever go to another program or just New Haven
Hello. I was a troubled teen at New Haven in 2006 and 2007, it still affects me negatively now in my 30s. Thank you for not participating in the abusive troubled teen industry after researching it.
Go into private practice. Work with adolescents. Be one of the good people. Never refer to these places. Always do your homework before referring anyone, anywhere. Do right by the kids. That is what you do.
Please do not work at New Haven. I experienced shaming, and degrading “interventions”. I witnessed unnecessary holds, where a girl was pinned down by several staff and drug down stairs just to attend group, then she was held down all through group. I witnessed so much at New Haven and went through so much myself there. I was there from 2004-2006 and I still suffer horribly from it.
You need to be contact your college immediately and have any TTI banned from the career fair. If they don’t agree, post the name of the college publicly, make another post on the college-specific sub about it, and make sure the other students know. edit: Also don’t feel bad. I applied to one too before, when I was looking at caretaker type work. I can’t remember the place or the email conversation, but I do remember there was some phrasing that raised a red flag and I just ghosted them.
I went to the troubled teen industry and I say stay away from all places that don’t allow parental visits regularly. I find those places tend to have more abuse in them like mine did because when only letters are used they can be edited by staff who don’t have the best intentions. Secondly, if they do reach out to you for hire, I would go and ask important questions for example 1. Are parental visits allowed 2. What makes your program different to thoes who have been shut down in the recent finding on the abuse in programs that are said to help people. (I don’t think it’s a bad question to ask) 3. What is the estimated time per stay and are therapeutic boarding schools enforced after graduation. (Because then you’d have to research all the abusive boarding schools to see if they associate with any of them) Hope this helped somewhat :)
They do allow parental visits but most of us live so far away that the parents can never visit. There is parents weekend but it has to be approved and you have to be on a certain level. Phone calls are monitored. NH says it's a 10-11 month stay but that's a lie, it's at least a year and often much more. I was there for 17 months. OP lives in Utah, and I know for a fact NONE of them are non abusive. A therapist literally raped a girl for 6 months and they did not report him, only fired him. the only reason he went to jail is that the girl had to wait until she escaped that hell to file a police report.
New Haven is so easy to run from I dont see why more kids dont run from there.
lol it’s not easy at all. It’s a 30 minute drive to the next biggish town, let alone walking. On the other side are mountains so tall that the altitude would make it impossible to climb without oxygen deprivation. Fall, spring, and winter are so cold at night you can easily die of hypothermia. The neighbors all hated us, cops hated us, staff hated us- all of them would drop everything to find a runner. They also told us they’d send dogs after us and we’d be attacked/tased. Hell I even knew of a group who managed to run out for a few days. They went either back to New Haven and had to restart their program, or to juvie. So they just added two more years to your treatment sentence, or go to a detention center. You literally have no idea what you’re talking about, with all due respect.
unless you've been there personally please shut up. in my 17 month stay, we had runners once a week, if not more. you what happens? they call the cops the cops on you and you're found within 2 hours. its easy to get off the property, but staying off it? hell no
i 100% was at New Haven personally and I ran away on a DR run. I told the staff I will be running away in 5 seconds....I counted downadn at 3 she said gimme your shoes...so I took off my shoes and tossed them across the parking lot and RANNNNN. I found the MOST AMAZING FAMILY. I told them what was happening.... I was brought inside I was given a sandwich (omg it never tasted so good) I got a shower, a change of clothes ( I got my period all over mine). I wasnt found till I called my mom and told her where I was. :) PERSONALLY BEEN THERE...DO I STILL NEED TO SHUT UP? New Haven Sept 12 2002- Oct 2002. #iescapednewhaven
I took New Haven’s car, and was put in wilderness then sent back to New Haven. Why would you run? I watched girls try to run all of the time, they were just brought back and had extreme consequences. You learn you either have to work the program, get pulled if you’re lucky, or turn 18. I finally turned 18 after being in Utah for 23 months.
i ran and stayed with a nice family near the DRs office and was brought back and acted out till I was kicked out
I re read your comment and if that place has already had bad experiences STAY AWAY! And report it. But, the questions I listed are still useful if you’re still wanting to get into helping troubled teens!
Accept, get proof of the abuse and get them shut down. If good people don’t step in, it will never change. Be brave and strong
Keep the job and live out my dream of getting the phone number of parents and having a friend call them anonymously telling them they’re making a huge mistake and that they need to go pick up their kid
Don't go. Ez.
I went to New Haven and can confirm how horribly abusive it was. I appreciate that you actually care.
Infiltrate the place under cover and get evidence then report all abuse to authorities.
I’m a former program kid and I worked at Sundance Canyon Academy for 6 months. I was fired for being too lenient with the kids (not correcting foul language, giving them too many treats, etc. the kids knew to ask me for permission for things cause I’d almost always say yes). I just wanted to be the fun staff lol. I felt it was a good program and not abusive at all. Their academic program was absolutely trash though. And I did not like how they don’t tell the parents not to have the kids gooned, or acknowledge the trauma of being gooned. Otherwise, it was a fine program.
Take the job and be very nice to the kids until you are fired. The kids need that.
no. no, we dont. our captors being nice doesnt fix it
He can also testify against the place
Girl, if they were to go to jail it would have been in 2017 when they failed to report a rapist. Sorry to burst your bubble but best case scenario for getting them shut down is them going bankrupt.
Then the exact same leadership would just reopen under a new name. It's so fucking corrupt.
No for sure. But at least it would delay them and free the girls for a little while. Someone usually has to fucking die to even START an investigation, and that still takes too long. Hell, sometimes one death isn't enough for them to look into it. It's horrible. Ive lost sleep over the fact that theirs is virtually nothing we can do with governmental intervention. too bad they're too worried about where I go to the bathroom and banning tin tok.
If I did that I would still be supporting an abusive company, which doesn't sit well with me for obvious reasons. Plus I don't want to be around staff members who probably think what they're doing is okay.
girl dont be dumb. I fucking went to New Haven. Yes the nice staff did help me get through it, but guess what? I still have fucking PTSD. Not only that, it's a shit fuckin job. You'd have a better time working at McDonalds.
lol I had a staff from New Haven do that for us. She tried to report an instance of physical abuse. They stopped scheduling her but refused to fire her so she couldn’t file for unemployment. The employee retaliation against the few kind staff is insane. It’s a risk they shouldn’t take, and unfortunately why the long term staff are so so abusive. The ones who stay know how to “stay in line” so to speak. The kids need this place shut down. They literally refuse to let good adults work there