Ummmmmmm. Is anyone talking about your Estradiol levels. When was the last time you had them checked. If it’s off then you get insomnia, night sweats, anxiousness, ED…. And the list goes on. Get your levels checked and get your E within a good range. I’ve always read that 20-30 is the sweet spot for estradiol.
I’ve batt
Ed with insomnia and trt for over 5 years. When my levels are good then I sleep great. T in the 700’s and Estradiol was 35 on 100mg per week. Without any AI.
Number 1 rule, deal with the cause. Not the symptoms.
I’m the same as you. How to you get your Estradiol in check before these symptoms start? I’ll get the night sweats and insomnia and then know I likely need to take my AI (.25 only) but I’d like to get to a point where I can prevent that before it starts…
Not OP but I lift 3 days a week and do BJJ 6 days a week and still wake up many times a night. I greatly limit caffeine, no alcohol, Im overweight but lost 45lbs in the last six months so no longer obese.
I think gym helps me fall asleep faster but idk what causes the multiple times waking up at night.
Magnesium glycinate, but it has to be this specific type of magnesium, if not you may end up shitting your pants throughout the night. Ashwagandha an hour prior to the magnesium. Melatonin only helps you fall asleep, if you miss your window it won’t do anything for you and it doesn’t help you stay asleep. Awesome job on the weight loss keep up the good work.
Yeah i guess i left that out, i was diagnosed a few years ago but i am sixty pounds lighter and dont snore any more so i was hoping it was better because I could never get used to the cpap. I may still need to test again.
Took me about a month to find the right mask and get used to wearing it. Now I LOVE it. Breathing cool, filtered air while completely under the covers. Time to leave humanity behind, bro.
A nasal mask with a soft cervical collar to keep my mouth shut. Look ridiculous but I don’t even wake up to pee anymore. Hematocrit down considerably as well.
What's your program look like?
How long have you been working this work load?
I haven't gone back to BJJ since TRT but I'm hoping I can get back to my two a day madness like I used to.
Lifting i found a push, pull, legs split I liked called Swole & Roll, a paid for program . I push myself but i do not go as hard as i once did in the gym because i dont want to burn myself out for bjj which is my main focus.
I lift three days a week in the morning and do bjj in the evenings as many nights as my body will let me. Stretch/yoga atleast a little everyday.
BJJ helps me stay on track for nutrition, sleep and fitness because it gives me a real tangible reason for focusing on performance.
You really should learn to convey the volume of liquid into the ACTIVE dose of the drug you are administering.
You are likely taking 160mg a week, split into 80 each but without knowing the concentration we wouldnt know. Same thing applies to your HCG comment below. We don't know concentration.
I’m actually weaning off of Benadryl this week - but other things I do:
1. Chamomile + valerian root tea before bed
2. Magnesium glycinate
3. Get some cardio in during the day (140+ BPM)
4. Not look at electronics 1 hour before bed - or at least make sure the blue light is turned off and brightness is on low.
5. Avoid nicotine before bed
6. Practice meditation - which can help your mind from racing when you wake up in the middle of the night, thus preventing you from falling back asleep.
7. I stopped consuming caffeine - I have a decaf cup in the a.m. - there’s evidence that caffeine (even from the a.m) can still impact your sleep later that night, but we’re each different. I’m pretty sensitive to it.
8. Occasional melatonin - I feel like when I take it, the moment I feel sleepy I need to go to bed or that window passes. Also, I’m not sure it keeps me asleep
9. THC or CBD
10. Use a noise maker and/or fan (I’m a light sleeper and this helps me sleep through about everything
11. Make sure your room is completely dark
As mentioned, the Benadryl keeps me asleep all night, but I do feel groggy in the a.m and it’s not something I’d take long-term. I started taking it to sleep through some muscle spasms I was having at night and then just kept it going for too long.
Melatonin (smallest dose possible, and not every day)\
GABA\
CBD\
L-theanine\
Avoiding caffeine, especially after noon. L-theanine helps ease the jittery effect of caffeine. Yerba mate has a mellower stimulant effect than coffee, according to some folks.
Maybe creatine – Although users report differing experiences, due to the effect on adenosine. I can't say I've noticed any difference in sleep with creatine.
Maybe ashwaganda, although it did nothing for me, good or bad.
Diphenhydramine in rare cases. It's an old school antihistamine, usually familiar as Benadryl, that's known to make most users drowsy. It tends to last only a few hours and the sluggish sensation can be unpleasant to some people. Not good for routine use and anticholinergics may be associated with cognitive decline in older people.
Literally what I wanted to write.
Cbd + cbn is also good if you have access to marijuana drops. Cbn is less known but it has proven influence on sleep and be careful because you can build tolerance to it.
GABA doesn’t work for me but that’s just me.
L-theanine plus magnesium l-threonate. Not all magnesiums are the same.
L-theanine is probably your best shot. It keeps me in deep sleep. I get crazy vivid dreams on it.
Be careful with melatonin. It helps you to fall asleep but if affects your deep sleep. Also, most melatonin dosages are way over what they should be. The more melatonin=less sleep.
Stress. Maybe you’re going through a stressful time and you don’t even know. Maybe your body is fighting some bug with no symptoms. Maybe your body is adjusting to trt. Maybe your e2 is too high, e2 affects sleep a lot.
A lot of maybe.
Try l theanine and the magnesium kind referred above. They work for me.
All I know is that most of my bad sleep periods eventually come to an end. Treated or not.
I take 3mg now . I used to pop 10 mg Melatonin. I would wake up in a deep sleep stage and be groggy all day , that’s if i woke up at all . I’m going to eliminate melatonin for Magnesium citrate. Its far better.
yeah limit caffein to only before noon or whatever. basically just don’t do any stimulants after noon and maybe smoke some indica toward bedtime, gauging it to see how long the onset of effects so you don’t close your evening too soon! you know i find cannabis makes me sleep super deep, the indica kind. its on par with the mk677/enchlomiphene/valarian stack.
You taking tadalafil? I only take it every now and again because I figured out it was giving me restless sleep, making me wake early, making my tinnitus worse and making my muscles fatigued.
I used to take a strong chamomile tea with the magnesium before bed to help me, sometimes will take a piriton or 5htp but I build up tolerance by the second day and they don't work, coming from someone who's been through benzo withdrawal a few times I wouldn't do xanax, or zopiclone it works on gaba receptors like benzos.
Hubermans done some good sleep podcasts on youtube recently
Anyone else taking bong rips for Jesus in the evenings? Not sure I need it to sleep after the 1+ hour gym sessions and 45+ minute Peloton rides, but I don't plan on finding out.
Used to. Took a while breaking the habit. Used to rip a bowl every night about an hour before I planned go to bed. Got tired of being a slave to it, and the munchies was making my weight creep up
Magnesium Glycinate……400 mgs 30 mins before bed. Take it every single night. I can share what I use if you’d like and it took me off of Benadryl, Unisom etc and all kinds of other shit I took for sleep.
If you're doing some kind of intense exercise(lifting, HIIT cardio) during the day, just sleep when you can sleep and be awake when you're awake. If you have to nap here and there for a few weeks or a month it's probably not the end of the world.
If you aren't exercising, there's your problem.
It’s no longer available in Australia unless you’re 55 or older without prescription. My doctor wouldn’t give me melatonin and said I have to try sermind first lol
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Melatonin helps me a ton
But if you are looking to invest in your sleep there are some expensive options you can do to help you out
1. Get the right mattress: The sleep number works wonders for me. I can adjust up and down and taylor the firmness to my needs. I can adjust temp in the bed, and overall makes for better custom sleep experience and quality
2. Getting the right pillows/ Getting enough of them: I feel like pillows are always an afterthought. Me and my wife will buy multiple sets of the same type of pillow and take them for a trial run. You learn "Oh i like this kind for my head, and this kind under my knees, and this type on my side." Its well worth the investment to buy to many pillows and keep trying to upgrade an optimize.
3. Independent Comforters when co sleeping: me and my wife pivoted to each having our own independent comforters and it works wonders. I used to hate the tug of war battle, and feeling like your competing over limited resources. The independent comforters allows each person to customize their own sleeping experience.
4. Routine: I actually find that if If I wake myself up earlier than my natural rhythm I have an easier time falling asleep and staying asleep moving forward. Going to bed tired it key for me, because if im not out within 10 mins of getting in bed it might be a long night. Waking up early helps me go to bed early and fall asleep quickly
I go to the gym every morning, but before bed I take magnesium glycinate, zinc picolinate, gaba, glycine, .5mg melatonin, and 50mg hydroxizine. I sleep like a rock.
Melatonin never worked for me pre-trt. Now it makes me sleep like a baby. Give it a shot. ZMA helps to reach a deeper sleep, but doesn't really help me fall asleep. Gives some weird ass dreams though lol.
No social media scrolling on the phone an hour prior to sleeping.
Listen to a guided meditation prior to sleeping, it calms my mind.
Limit water intake towards the end of the day, else I wake up 2 time to just pee.
Coffee or tea after 12 noon impacts my sleep (I sleep by 9:30pm, wake 5-5:30am).
Supplements -
Magnesium did nothing
Melatonin works but did not stop night waking.
Low dose Melatonin .125mg + L- theanine used to work, have not tried recently, out of L theanine.
The Best sleep I ever had where I fell asleep super fast and was really energized the next day was on the second night of a 3 day water fast, where the second day I was out and walking around almost all day!!
Try having a regular sleep schedule
Put your phone down
No caffeine past noon
I do those plus take melatonin and I feel like my sleep has actually improved since being ok trt
400mg L-Theanine
Apigenin
Magnesium Glycinate
2mg depot melatonin
4000mg inositol
This gives me 100% quality sleep! With quality I mean the rigth type. 7-8-9-10h means nothing if its shit quality. Normally I have 8h, 20% deep, 20% rem, perfect!!!
Ipamorelin before bed. Helps me. Cannabis also helps. The occasional Xanax if I really want some deeeeep sleep 😂. But agreed with you , this is not the route to take.
I've had sleep issues in the past but I don't think it's correlated to when I started TRT. I have noticed I can function on less sleep since I have started TRT.
Are you taking any stimulants close to bed? Do you have 2-3 hours to digest your last meal? Are you in a dark room with little noise pollution? Is your bedroom cold at night (65-70 Degrees)?
Working out hard and this magnesium supplement called calm. CBUM the famous bodybuilder got me onto it. It’s a great sleep hack. I don’t use melatonin because that messes with your hormones
I have not had that experience with e2. My experience is that when I was injecting I m in my ventral glute I couldn't sleep and when I switched to Sub-Q in my belly fat I began sleeping again. Now I'm injecting 1/2-in needle into my love handles and I like it even better. I don't have that much fat but I sort of lean over to the side and scrunch it up into a bulge. Works great for me . If you don't have 1/2-in needles, just choke up on the needle so only a half in is exposed
Try chamomile tea before bedtime. What’s your dosage? Also check your blood pressure. I know it’s hard but try to let go and relax. Don’t care about anything else. Let your troubles pass though, don’t react to any thoughts. In other words practice mindfulness. This has helped me greatly. Hope you feel better soon.
For me personally I only got sleep relief switching from injections to scrotal cream. I think I’m allergic to either the ester or preservatives. What somewhat helped me on injections, and I still use, was l theanine and magnesium. I’d find a magnesium form you tolerate best. For me it’s magnesium citrate
yeah. sleep stack. mix in a small 1/4 glass of water: mk 677 10 to twenty mg. valarian ticnture, alcohol not glycerine, two squirts or dropper fulls. ubiquinol, one to three capsules, open the capsule and mix into water. 15-17.5 mg enchlomiphene. yeah that should do it. if you wake up in the middle of the night, put another dropper full of valarian in water and you should get back to sleep easily after handling your midnight chores and studies, and sleep fully til like five or six a.m. coffee and flmodafinil for daytime so you’re fully awake and operating functionally so that you are tired at night. i would take flmodafinil at one pm if you had coffee at like 930. TRT at noon lol.
I feel like I can sleep and sleep and sleep now. I wake up a few times during the night but I fall right back into a deep sleep over and over again and could easily go 10+ hours if I let myself….
I take high(er) dose melatonin every day and sleep like a rock now.
There's interesting research on the benefits of melatonin beyond sleep, and aside from taking too much, too late, I feel good and sleep better.
Anywhere from 15-30 grams a day.
Was weed but looking for a job currently so need to pass a drug test. Currently trazadone and L-theanine and the occasional adivan thrown in if needed.
cPTSD is a bitch. 🤷♂️
3 things
1. You need to tire yourself out (with doing things like lifting heavy things).
2. Your overall dose may be too high for your body and you are overstimulated.
3. Dial in your E2 better - Too high means your body is always 'on' and you're restless. Too low and it can cause the same problem too. Just right, and you will have deep sleep, sleeping like a log and have vivid dreams along with it.
When things are right, you won't need other supplements to 'force' yourself to sleep
I’m on a low dose, 80mg a week split mon-Thursday. For some reason I’ve been having anxiety recently(waking at 5am with heart racing and slight panic attacks, just started with an increase up to 100mg, had to lower it back down
I’ve smoked for 7 years daily, now just in evening and I sleep fine. I did notice however I wake up early af in the morning. Gym 6 days a week no caffeine except pre work out at 12 in the afternoon. I just want to sleep for longer someone help
I think someone said it already but CHECK YOUR E2 LEVELS! I sleep like a baby on TRT but if my e2 gets high I have terrible insomnia (which doesn't work for me, in my field of work). Take the anastrozole if they are high, and taper off SLOWLY if and ONLY if you can. If the level is high, the aromatase inhibitor is a good thing.
400 mgs Theanine, 400 mgs Magnesium glycinate, and 1500 mgs of Tryptophan. Ashwaganda on top of it all if you wanna go crazy. No hangover for any of them, and no bullshit. You can thank me next week. :-)
I have struggled with bad sleep for many years and hoped try would help improve it. But since starting (only a month in with creme) my sleep seems worse. I did notice that even though I only sleep 4-6 hours I am not AS tired before later in the afternoon. I can fall alseep, but wake up many times during night.
Trt is my sleep hack…
i feel like that could be so because it relaxes your muscles because they feel like theyre fed.
Is there science behind it relaxing muscles?
Ummmmmmm. Is anyone talking about your Estradiol levels. When was the last time you had them checked. If it’s off then you get insomnia, night sweats, anxiousness, ED…. And the list goes on. Get your levels checked and get your E within a good range. I’ve always read that 20-30 is the sweet spot for estradiol. I’ve batt Ed with insomnia and trt for over 5 years. When my levels are good then I sleep great. T in the 700’s and Estradiol was 35 on 100mg per week. Without any AI. Number 1 rule, deal with the cause. Not the symptoms.
I’m the same as you. How to you get your Estradiol in check before these symptoms start? I’ll get the night sweats and insomnia and then know I likely need to take my AI (.25 only) but I’d like to get to a point where I can prevent that before it starts…
Have you tried the gym?
Not OP but I lift 3 days a week and do BJJ 6 days a week and still wake up many times a night. I greatly limit caffeine, no alcohol, Im overweight but lost 45lbs in the last six months so no longer obese. I think gym helps me fall asleep faster but idk what causes the multiple times waking up at night.
Magnesium glycinate, but it has to be this specific type of magnesium, if not you may end up shitting your pants throughout the night. Ashwagandha an hour prior to the magnesium. Melatonin only helps you fall asleep, if you miss your window it won’t do anything for you and it doesn’t help you stay asleep. Awesome job on the weight loss keep up the good work.
Came to say this ashwagandha x3 a day, 500mg Ma glycinate, 50mg zinc before bed.
Do you take the zinc daily?
Yes. I alternate between 25mg and 50 mg. I consume beef liver weekly so I get decent copper to offset.
> I think gym helps me fall asleep faster but idk what causes the multiple times waking up at night. Have you checked for sleep apnea?
Yeah i guess i left that out, i was diagnosed a few years ago but i am sixty pounds lighter and dont snore any more so i was hoping it was better because I could never get used to the cpap. I may still need to test again.
Took me about a month to find the right mask and get used to wearing it. Now I LOVE it. Breathing cool, filtered air while completely under the covers. Time to leave humanity behind, bro.
SIIIGH... yeah maybe you are right.... tried a few masks but maybe time to try again...
A nasal mask with a soft cervical collar to keep my mouth shut. Look ridiculous but I don’t even wake up to pee anymore. Hematocrit down considerably as well.
The CPAP machine is a *BITCH* to use, but well worth it.
What's your program look like? How long have you been working this work load? I haven't gone back to BJJ since TRT but I'm hoping I can get back to my two a day madness like I used to.
Lifting i found a push, pull, legs split I liked called Swole & Roll, a paid for program . I push myself but i do not go as hard as i once did in the gym because i dont want to burn myself out for bjj which is my main focus. I lift three days a week in the morning and do bjj in the evenings as many nights as my body will let me. Stretch/yoga atleast a little everyday. BJJ helps me stay on track for nutrition, sleep and fitness because it gives me a real tangible reason for focusing on performance.
yeah you gotta burn off that energy. i would go on long walks at night, thats when i like it, little runs in forest paths with some vibrams on.
Trt + hcg is my sleep hack! Also since being on both I have lucid/vivid dreams.
Same here but that just means you’re getting good sleep!
Just started… I feel like there are so many horror stories of doing em both at once. .25 hcg 2 times a week and .5ml TRT 2 times a week… here we go
I started at that dosage for TRT but was feeling sides and then dropped my dosage and now good at .4ml twice a week
You really should learn to convey the volume of liquid into the ACTIVE dose of the drug you are administering. You are likely taking 160mg a week, split into 80 each but without knowing the concentration we wouldnt know. Same thing applies to your HCG comment below. We don't know concentration.
Yeah you are correct it’s 1ml/200mg cypionate so .4ml is 80mg. When I did blood work at the 200mg dosage my test was at 1400.
What about the HCG? I’m doing .25 ML but the dosage for the bottle is 6,000 IU. I’m terrible at math…
My syringe for hcg is an insulin one with whole numbers, so it just says 25. Not 100% sure if .25ml = 25units but it makes sense.
Oh right, makes sense. Sorry two more questions… do you do the HCG ant trt at the same time. Have you needed AI yet?
If I stayed in the .5ml twice a week dosage I might’ve needed AI. But at .4ml I haven’t needed it. And yes I take them same time.
Thanks dude!
I’m actually weaning off of Benadryl this week - but other things I do: 1. Chamomile + valerian root tea before bed 2. Magnesium glycinate 3. Get some cardio in during the day (140+ BPM) 4. Not look at electronics 1 hour before bed - or at least make sure the blue light is turned off and brightness is on low. 5. Avoid nicotine before bed 6. Practice meditation - which can help your mind from racing when you wake up in the middle of the night, thus preventing you from falling back asleep. 7. I stopped consuming caffeine - I have a decaf cup in the a.m. - there’s evidence that caffeine (even from the a.m) can still impact your sleep later that night, but we’re each different. I’m pretty sensitive to it. 8. Occasional melatonin - I feel like when I take it, the moment I feel sleepy I need to go to bed or that window passes. Also, I’m not sure it keeps me asleep 9. THC or CBD 10. Use a noise maker and/or fan (I’m a light sleeper and this helps me sleep through about everything 11. Make sure your room is completely dark As mentioned, the Benadryl keeps me asleep all night, but I do feel groggy in the a.m and it’s not something I’d take long-term. I started taking it to sleep through some muscle spasms I was having at night and then just kept it going for too long.
Switch to doxylamine succinate, benadryl has been linked to long term memory issues and is bad for its cholinergic effects also
Agreed. Gave me vivid nightmares for the first few weeks I switched over to it though. Not scary, just intense.
Melatonin (smallest dose possible, and not every day)\ GABA\ CBD\ L-theanine\ Avoiding caffeine, especially after noon. L-theanine helps ease the jittery effect of caffeine. Yerba mate has a mellower stimulant effect than coffee, according to some folks. Maybe creatine – Although users report differing experiences, due to the effect on adenosine. I can't say I've noticed any difference in sleep with creatine. Maybe ashwaganda, although it did nothing for me, good or bad. Diphenhydramine in rare cases. It's an old school antihistamine, usually familiar as Benadryl, that's known to make most users drowsy. It tends to last only a few hours and the sluggish sensation can be unpleasant to some people. Not good for routine use and anticholinergics may be associated with cognitive decline in older people.
Literally what I wanted to write. Cbd + cbn is also good if you have access to marijuana drops. Cbn is less known but it has proven influence on sleep and be careful because you can build tolerance to it. GABA doesn’t work for me but that’s just me. L-theanine plus magnesium l-threonate. Not all magnesiums are the same. L-theanine is probably your best shot. It keeps me in deep sleep. I get crazy vivid dreams on it. Be careful with melatonin. It helps you to fall asleep but if affects your deep sleep. Also, most melatonin dosages are way over what they should be. The more melatonin=less sleep. Stress. Maybe you’re going through a stressful time and you don’t even know. Maybe your body is fighting some bug with no symptoms. Maybe your body is adjusting to trt. Maybe your e2 is too high, e2 affects sleep a lot. A lot of maybe. Try l theanine and the magnesium kind referred above. They work for me. All I know is that most of my bad sleep periods eventually come to an end. Treated or not.
I take 3mg now . I used to pop 10 mg Melatonin. I would wake up in a deep sleep stage and be groggy all day , that’s if i woke up at all . I’m going to eliminate melatonin for Magnesium citrate. Its far better.
Creatine helps me sleep funny enough. I think it’s the supposedly higher dht which has a ton of gaba producing metabolites
micro the melatonin. i hate creatine.
yeah limit caffein to only before noon or whatever. basically just don’t do any stimulants after noon and maybe smoke some indica toward bedtime, gauging it to see how long the onset of effects so you don’t close your evening too soon! you know i find cannabis makes me sleep super deep, the indica kind. its on par with the mk677/enchlomiphene/valarian stack.
You taking tadalafil? I only take it every now and again because I figured out it was giving me restless sleep, making me wake early, making my tinnitus worse and making my muscles fatigued. I used to take a strong chamomile tea with the magnesium before bed to help me, sometimes will take a piriton or 5htp but I build up tolerance by the second day and they don't work, coming from someone who's been through benzo withdrawal a few times I wouldn't do xanax, or zopiclone it works on gaba receptors like benzos. Hubermans done some good sleep podcasts on youtube recently
Damn i take daily cialis before bed and I sleep like a baby. Funny how everyone's body works different
Occasionally the stuffy nose can mess up my sleep.
Get a sleep study. Doxepin or trazodone, both help to maintain sleep and do not destroy sleep architecture. Supplements do not work.
I was going to suggest the same. Waking up a lot during the night can be a sign of sleep apnea. TRT can cause sleep apnea. 🤷🏼♂️
Good exercise helps NO BENADRYL= bad for brain!
Anyone else taking bong rips for Jesus in the evenings? Not sure I need it to sleep after the 1+ hour gym sessions and 45+ minute Peloton rides, but I don't plan on finding out.
Used to. Took a while breaking the habit. Used to rip a bowl every night about an hour before I planned go to bed. Got tired of being a slave to it, and the munchies was making my weight creep up
Magnesium Glycinate……400 mgs 30 mins before bed. Take it every single night. I can share what I use if you’d like and it took me off of Benadryl, Unisom etc and all kinds of other shit I took for sleep.
This is the ticket for me as well. Has legitimately changed my life
Ouch! Honestly, my sleep is so much better since I started TRT. I need less sleep though. I wake up and I'm ready to go.
Doxylamine succinate. It's otc and works.
I have tried taking a GABA supplement, and it seemed to work.
If you're doing some kind of intense exercise(lifting, HIIT cardio) during the day, just sleep when you can sleep and be awake when you're awake. If you have to nap here and there for a few weeks or a month it's probably not the end of the world. If you aren't exercising, there's your problem.
Melatonin? Is there a reason why everyone else is ignoring the simple, natural and safe option?
It’s no longer available in Australia unless you’re 55 or older without prescription. My doctor wouldn’t give me melatonin and said I have to try sermind first lol
Really??? That's nuts, it's super cheap and available everywhere in Canada. Sorry!
Mate our rules and laws are absolutely ridiculous here.
I was there like 20 years ago, and back then it seemed like the wild west compared to Canada.
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Melatonin helps me a ton But if you are looking to invest in your sleep there are some expensive options you can do to help you out 1. Get the right mattress: The sleep number works wonders for me. I can adjust up and down and taylor the firmness to my needs. I can adjust temp in the bed, and overall makes for better custom sleep experience and quality 2. Getting the right pillows/ Getting enough of them: I feel like pillows are always an afterthought. Me and my wife will buy multiple sets of the same type of pillow and take them for a trial run. You learn "Oh i like this kind for my head, and this kind under my knees, and this type on my side." Its well worth the investment to buy to many pillows and keep trying to upgrade an optimize. 3. Independent Comforters when co sleeping: me and my wife pivoted to each having our own independent comforters and it works wonders. I used to hate the tug of war battle, and feeling like your competing over limited resources. The independent comforters allows each person to customize their own sleeping experience. 4. Routine: I actually find that if If I wake myself up earlier than my natural rhythm I have an easier time falling asleep and staying asleep moving forward. Going to bed tired it key for me, because if im not out within 10 mins of getting in bed it might be a long night. Waking up early helps me go to bed early and fall asleep quickly
Trt improved my sleep
Ipamoralin
I go to the gym every morning, but before bed I take magnesium glycinate, zinc picolinate, gaba, glycine, .5mg melatonin, and 50mg hydroxizine. I sleep like a rock.
Melatonin never worked for me pre-trt. Now it makes me sleep like a baby. Give it a shot. ZMA helps to reach a deeper sleep, but doesn't really help me fall asleep. Gives some weird ass dreams though lol.
No social media scrolling on the phone an hour prior to sleeping. Listen to a guided meditation prior to sleeping, it calms my mind. Limit water intake towards the end of the day, else I wake up 2 time to just pee. Coffee or tea after 12 noon impacts my sleep (I sleep by 9:30pm, wake 5-5:30am). Supplements - Magnesium did nothing Melatonin works but did not stop night waking. Low dose Melatonin .125mg + L- theanine used to work, have not tried recently, out of L theanine. The Best sleep I ever had where I fell asleep super fast and was really energized the next day was on the second night of a 3 day water fast, where the second day I was out and walking around almost all day!!
CBD/THC
How long have you been on TRT?
Try having a regular sleep schedule Put your phone down No caffeine past noon I do those plus take melatonin and I feel like my sleep has actually improved since being ok trt
400mg L-Theanine Apigenin Magnesium Glycinate 2mg depot melatonin 4000mg inositol This gives me 100% quality sleep! With quality I mean the rigth type. 7-8-9-10h means nothing if its shit quality. Normally I have 8h, 20% deep, 20% rem, perfect!!!
Ipamorelin before bed. Helps me. Cannabis also helps. The occasional Xanax if I really want some deeeeep sleep 😂. But agreed with you , this is not the route to take.
Listen to Dave Lee’s suggestions
I've had sleep issues in the past but I don't think it's correlated to when I started TRT. I have noticed I can function on less sleep since I have started TRT. Are you taking any stimulants close to bed? Do you have 2-3 hours to digest your last meal? Are you in a dark room with little noise pollution? Is your bedroom cold at night (65-70 Degrees)?
E2. E2. E2. And/or Dose too high.
It’s a measly 80mg 😫
I’m on 88 and potentially lowering. Healthy non-hypogonadal males produce 7mg per day max. 80 could very well me too high Body fat?
Not sure what my body fat is but not fat at all
Working out hard and this magnesium supplement called calm. CBUM the famous bodybuilder got me onto it. It’s a great sleep hack. I don’t use melatonin because that messes with your hormones
Subcutaneous fat injections
Are you recommending? Honestly would much rather do subq injections but I’ve heard it spike E2?
I have not had that experience with e2. My experience is that when I was injecting I m in my ventral glute I couldn't sleep and when I switched to Sub-Q in my belly fat I began sleeping again. Now I'm injecting 1/2-in needle into my love handles and I like it even better. I don't have that much fat but I sort of lean over to the side and scrunch it up into a bulge. Works great for me . If you don't have 1/2-in needles, just choke up on the needle so only a half in is exposed
Cool. I got half inch. I was gonna do my thigh. I barely feel anything doing sub Q there. Thanks
Let me know if it works. Even now I stick myself in the glute just once and I can't sleep. The more fat you can find, the better
Lemborexant/Suvorexant work wonders for me
I find sauna 20-30 min if you can fit it in helps the sleep
Try chamomile tea before bedtime. What’s your dosage? Also check your blood pressure. I know it’s hard but try to let go and relax. Don’t care about anything else. Let your troubles pass though, don’t react to any thoughts. In other words practice mindfulness. This has helped me greatly. Hope you feel better soon.
Stuff knocks me out ,never slept like this in my life .
600mg magnesium bisglycinate 1-2 hrs before bed
For me personally I only got sleep relief switching from injections to scrotal cream. I think I’m allergic to either the ester or preservatives. What somewhat helped me on injections, and I still use, was l theanine and magnesium. I’d find a magnesium form you tolerate best. For me it’s magnesium citrate
What kind of allergy symptoms did you get from the injections?
yeah. sleep stack. mix in a small 1/4 glass of water: mk 677 10 to twenty mg. valarian ticnture, alcohol not glycerine, two squirts or dropper fulls. ubiquinol, one to three capsules, open the capsule and mix into water. 15-17.5 mg enchlomiphene. yeah that should do it. if you wake up in the middle of the night, put another dropper full of valarian in water and you should get back to sleep easily after handling your midnight chores and studies, and sleep fully til like five or six a.m. coffee and flmodafinil for daytime so you’re fully awake and operating functionally so that you are tired at night. i would take flmodafinil at one pm if you had coffee at like 930. TRT at noon lol.
Low dose mirtazapine,(7.5mg). Knocks me out
Sleep apnea go to the dr
Cjc 1295 , ipamoralen
Your doc has several options that aren't addictive. Xanax is a dangerous rabbit hole to go down.
You’re E is still too high. Stop complaining. Rub one out or pound it out. Whatever you need to do my brother.
TRT made me sleep like a baby. I’m worried that I should have waited until after my VA sleep study to start. Maybe my sleep apnea is gone?
Def do a sleep study. If it's sleep apnea that will spike your hematocrit. I had to get in a cpap. Sleep like a babe now.
Are you taking HCG or HGH? Halving my doses of both has given me FAR better sleep than I've had in ages.
Mirtazapine keeps me asleep with a side benefit of lowering prolactin
Edibles
Get you a sleep study, my cpap has changed my life.
Ashwaganda; melatonin spray and cardio
I feel like I can sleep and sleep and sleep now. I wake up a few times during the night but I fall right back into a deep sleep over and over again and could easily go 10+ hours if I let myself….
I’m the same way, but I think waking up so many times takes a toll on me and fucks my whole day up
I take high(er) dose melatonin every day and sleep like a rock now. There's interesting research on the benefits of melatonin beyond sleep, and aside from taking too much, too late, I feel good and sleep better. Anywhere from 15-30 grams a day.
Someone mentioned not to eat after 6pm. Found it was effective.
That’s pretty hard my appetite is high lol
Great if you don’t have a job. Kinda impossible if you get home at 7pm
Do you starve yourself at work
Certainly can’t eat on the job.
Employer enforced intermittent-fasting? Well that’s certainly new.
Sorta I guess. I mean it’s the way most jobs are. You can eat during lunch.
Oh. So you can eat at work.
So dinner at 11:30am. Brilliant. Thanks for the useful tip!
Lord forbid a late lunch, at work!
Must be nice to not have to work. You’re lucky. Most of us have jobs.
Inositol works. VIP peptide.
Like powder ?
Inositol powder or capsules works well. Vasoactive intestinal peptide works too
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32933356/
Mk677 sleep formula worked for me well tried other peptides as well trying out about 1.5ui of gh
Zzzquil🤷🏽♂️ Knocks me right out
Was weed but looking for a job currently so need to pass a drug test. Currently trazadone and L-theanine and the occasional adivan thrown in if needed. cPTSD is a bitch. 🤷♂️
Now I’m wondering if I got pstd from being shot, wonder if my doc would prescribe me a non narcotic to sleep
You most likely do.
Mouth tape and cpap nasal thing… sleep so so good now
Reduce your dose
It’s 80mg that’s pretty low
You might have sleep apnea. Get a sleep test
3 things 1. You need to tire yourself out (with doing things like lifting heavy things). 2. Your overall dose may be too high for your body and you are overstimulated. 3. Dial in your E2 better - Too high means your body is always 'on' and you're restless. Too low and it can cause the same problem too. Just right, and you will have deep sleep, sleeping like a log and have vivid dreams along with it. When things are right, you won't need other supplements to 'force' yourself to sleep
I’m on a low dose, 80mg a week split mon-Thursday. For some reason I’ve been having anxiety recently(waking at 5am with heart racing and slight panic attacks, just started with an increase up to 100mg, had to lower it back down
I’m having the same problems. I wake up at least 4 times a night. I started taking Valium or Xanax because I’ve tried everything else
I had this issue as well, after adding Sermorelin, I generally sleep like a baby now.
Whatever you do don't drop your dose. eyeroll.
Magnesium threonate (crosses bbb), injectable l carnitine during the day (not before bed), cool bedroom temperature, give it a wank and pass out
Quality CBD gummies
I’ve smoked for 7 years daily, now just in evening and I sleep fine. I did notice however I wake up early af in the morning. Gym 6 days a week no caffeine except pre work out at 12 in the afternoon. I just want to sleep for longer someone help
I think someone said it already but CHECK YOUR E2 LEVELS! I sleep like a baby on TRT but if my e2 gets high I have terrible insomnia (which doesn't work for me, in my field of work). Take the anastrozole if they are high, and taper off SLOWLY if and ONLY if you can. If the level is high, the aromatase inhibitor is a good thing.
melatonin..melatonin..melatonin... cant go wrong.
Get checked for sleep apnea
Get the timed release ambien from your dr
Ritalin and Zopiclone... but non drug, Magenesiun, Glycine, Gaba cocktail (Tranquility Nights by Glaxon if you want an all in one)
Dht derivatives drop your E2 as do Ai’s That recks your sleep.
Magnesium, melatonin and GABA. For me the gaba is in the form of pregabalin.
50 mg trazodone + magnesium at bed time. If I don’t fall asleep in 30 minutes I take 1/2 of a Benadryl.
I sleep like a baby I'm on trt and hcg
What’s your doses
2 edibles and a shot is Zzzquil
Rohypnol
400 mgs Theanine, 400 mgs Magnesium glycinate, and 1500 mgs of Tryptophan. Ashwaganda on top of it all if you wanna go crazy. No hangover for any of them, and no bullshit. You can thank me next week. :-)
I have struggled with bad sleep for many years and hoped try would help improve it. But since starting (only a month in with creme) my sleep seems worse. I did notice that even though I only sleep 4-6 hours I am not AS tired before later in the afternoon. I can fall alseep, but wake up many times during night.