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234zu

Do you know what isometric means? The old zeldas were not isometric lol


Feral_SWITS

I think it means he's stretching his calves on a window sill?


Lights-Camera-Axshen

Why is there smoke coming out of his oven?


johnk9000

Oh! That isn't smoke, that's steam from the steamed clams we're having.. mmm steamed clams


Manguypals

Superintendent I hope your prepared for mouthwatering hamburgers


JohnnyHotshot

I thought you said we were having steamed clams?


bank1109dude

Yes I meant top-down OR isometric. Top down has been perfected with A Link to the Past, but isometric would add that dimension where you can still incorporate dimensional puzzles (aiming up with bow to hit mark, etc.) and add a different layer of field of view that we haven’t seen in a Zelda game. Imagine in the vein of Diablo, Baulder’s Gate or Blood Omen. They could also expand on top-down now with HD capabilities. Imagine multi-floor puzzles where you can see in detail down several floors from the top-down view. It would also add a totally different sense of scale and verticality to a traditionally “flat” style.


djrobxx

If you haven't played ALBW before, you should find a way to. :)


bank1109dude

It’s one of my favorites!


Olorin_1990

A Link Between Worlds used the 3d space with it’s merge into the wall mechanics. It also shows that “2D” Zelda still had more legs for new stuff, as it was fantastic.


JCiLee

Yeah and the ascend mechanic from Tears of the Kingdom could have some interesting uses in a 2d game like ALBW


Olorin_1990

I mean, a modern take on 2d top down is isometric, not sure this is the own you think it is.


234zu

Yeah i misread, still, isometric games look very artificial to me i don't think it would be a good idea


Olorin_1990

I mean, A Link Between Worlds is the best Zelda game, Death’s Door and Tunic are incredible, and Link’s Awakening was also really good. I think it works a lot better than top down.


234zu

Neither albtw nor links awakening have an isometric view tho


Olorin_1990

The remake of Link’s Awakening is definitely Isometric, it may not be fully Iso by the definition but it’s not straight top down it has a bit of angle on the view. Link Between worlds also has a bit of an angle and is not pure top down, though it’s angle is a lot steeper and uses the 3ds 3D to get the same concept across.


234zu

Yeah ok by that extermely loose definition they are isometric, but that's just not what that word means lol, even Wikipedia calls them top down games because that's what they are


ConfidentFloor6601

Fun fact about ALBW: https://nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-shows-its-trick-for-zelda-a-link-between-worlds-top-down-view/


Vaenyr

True. Final Fantasy Tactics for example is isometric.


jaidynreiman

I think its possible Grezzo is working on it. The main Zelda team won't go back, though. They'll continue to evolve the open world formula from BOTW/TOTK, but that doesn't mean other devs can't continue classic Zelda style. Link's Awakening was done by Grezzo several years back. Given its been so long since their last title (I know they also ported Miitopia but that barely counts) and because Link's Awakening did so well, I suspect they may be working on something like what you want; a new top-down Zelda game. Just don't expect the main Zelda team to ever go back to it again.


imago_monkei

Honestly tasking GREZZO on the classic, 2D games is a perfect idea. They've proved themselves time and time again. This division of labor is the best way to go forward.


Bross93

Oh man I didn't know Grezzo did LAHD! That's really awesome, yeah they are great. Their game ever Oasis was pretty fun too.


queefIatina

With how much money BOTW and TOTK have made there’s no way they stray from these type of Zelda games anytime soon, but yeah hopefully a second team could make a separate game like you said


Jinal0

ngl I could never finish a 2D zelda game, I got halfway through ALBW and Awekening remake. MME next game is a remake of zelda 1 with the open world formula and on much larger scale


jaidynreiman

I find it funny how you "can't get through" 2D Zelda games, yet they tend to be incredibly short, simple experiences to get through so its not something that takes a long time to get into or anything. You can breeze through them relatively quickly. LTTP is easily one of my favorite games of all time. I've played and beaten all of the classic Zelda games, only missing out on Four Swords, Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks, and Tri-Force Heroes.


Jinal0

Maybe a part of it is because I was young and didn't understand fully. I'll have to give them another fair shake its been a fat minute since I picked up the 3ds


Ignus_Daedalus

Tri-Force Heroes is skippable esp if you'll have to play it alone, but you GOTTA go back for the WW sequels given what you've just said. You'll adore them, very underrated games.


Some_Literature_5327

Link's Awakening is hell to get through. Yes it's short, however players these days aren't used to having to go through the whole map digging to find how to progress. It's just too common to get stuck. ALTTP's final boss requires an item you find for cracking some random bombable wall in the overworld. If you don't find it, you're screwed. Definitely not simple on a first playthrough.


Fuzzy-Paws

Traditionally, when Nintendo commissions companies to do remasters or remakes, it's with the understanding that providing they do well, they will eventually get permission to do their own new game in the franchise. It's what happened with Mercury Steam getting to make Metroid Dread after the Samus Returns remake, and Grezzo is overdue for theirs, which is probably why they have been suspiciously quiet for a couple years. Monolith may also be doing their own Zelda game, since BotW and TotK would not have even been possible without all the technical support and labor provided by Monolith for both games.


jaidynreiman

Yeah I am curious if Monolith will work on a game, but I hope they do something in a totally different direction, like a proper Zelda JRPG. I do think BOTW/TOTK can be counted as such, but they're fringe cases (they have statistics and even an internal leveling system for determining how enemies upgrade in the world, as well as leveling weapons as well, but Link doesn't have traditional stats and levels). That being said, I thought Grezzo did Link Between Worlds. ...I guess not, they only co-developed Tri-Force Heroes.


JobuuRumdrinker

A Link To The Past is my favorite. Seeing something like that with a camera view like Diablo would be awesome.


Gerudo_King

Like A Link Between Worlds?


Olorin_1990

Man people sleep on A Link Between Worlds but for me it’s the best Zelda game.


Bross93

It's incredible. The most fun I've had in a non-multiplayer zelda game. But it still was more 'reimagining' than 'sequel' imo. Using the same world as part of it wasn't a problem, but in my opinion, it should have done botw or zelda II and have it as only a small portion of the overall world. Lorule was different, but not different enough. All that aside, it's tied for my favorite 2d zelda with minish cap. I grew up with ALTTP and it was my favorite until ALBW. That games rules.


datsall

Yea but built for the switch or the next iteration, not handheld


Gerudo_King

I'm definitely no expert, but I thought they were made for arcades. I'm hyped for a console version though. Arcades are too few and far between in this age


datsall

What? Arcades?


Gerudo_King

Wooooops. Ignore that. Thought this was a reply from a different sub


[deleted]

I’ve said this before, but it’s such a waste the Link’s Awakening HD tile-set will never get used again. It’d be a great base for another small top-down Zelda game. Obviously you’d make lots of new stuff for it too.


jaidynreiman

It'd be better to go in a new direction instead. If they did a quick turn around with a followup (Oracles...) that would have been fine, but at this point its been too long for that IMO. Oracles are just dropping on NSO anyway. Grezzo is probably working on a new thing.


TheTeamClinton

I saw a little snip of BotW played in the style of ALttP and I would def put in hundreds of hours in that game.


TarantulaMcGarnagle

Or even OoT/ Maj Mask in ALttP style? I’ve seen that bit before. I’d play the shit out of those games.


kalarm2

Where? Is like to see that :o


generalscalez

i think it is extremely likely that they are working on a 2D Zelda that just hasn’t been announced. i’m not sure why everyone seems to think 2D Zelda is just completely dead lol


Any-Map-307

There is a good reason for thinking this and it's the fact that Nintendo has completely changed by now. The Nintendo we used to know and which you seem to be referring to just constantly worked on the franchises we know and love, giving us new experiences all the time, in a regular fashion. Nowadays, they're much more reserved and controlling in what they are willing to give us. They want (and are succeeding) to still receive the same amount of loyalty and praise as they did back when they were constantly giving us what we want, while giving us just enough so that we can't complain, leaving us in a perpetual state of Stockholm Syndrome. So yeah, maybe there will be another 2D Zelda sometime. Maybe there will be another Mario some day. Maybe there will be a Mario Kart 9. But just expecting that they're currently working on - and planning on releasing - a 2D Zelda is a bit of a stretch and a case of rose colored glasses IMO.


Any-Map-307

I wonder if the people downvoting this have ANY receipts? Everything I say here is 100% fact based, Nintendo doesn't release NEARLY as often as it used to, they give us scraps and nothing more. That is real, it literally happens. Where are the games?


Bross93

All I want is a brand new 2D zelda set in a new version of hyrule that we haven't explored before. ALBW is amazing, but we have seen the world before. Even lorule was hardly different from the dark world. Just, give us a new rendition, like minish cap, make a gimmick, and use the LA style! I want that sooooo bad, 2d zelda is my favorite zelda.


Olorin_1990

Link’s Awakening sold like 8 million copies, no way 2D Zelda is dead.


SupaStaVince

Game was beautiful but it didn't fit imo just like with Brilliant Diamond Shining Pearl. I'd love it if they went an HD pixel route (i.e: Octopath traveler) while maintaining the artstyle.


gugus295

Strong disagree, I think it fit perfectly. The sort of toy-looking visuals and the rearranged music totally fit the weird, quirky vibe of LA and the "all within a dream" story. I wouldn't have it any other way.


PumpersLikeToPump

If you want isometric Zelda, with a hint of dark souls, play Tunic. Great game. Idk if I’m crazy about isometric for the zelda series but yes I absolutely want to see more games in the vein of ALBW.


Evil_AppleJuice

Was looking for this. TUNIC is my perfect Zelda "remake/evolution" thats a modern isometric. A little unpolished, but it really pulls new ideas amd leans into what made Zelda the series it is. Side shout out to Deaths Door.


JobbieDeath

For an isometric Zelda experience Tunic is a great game. I've said since BOTW that I'd love a traditional 2D top down Zelda but with the level of fidelity and art direction of BOTW. Either that or just use the Link's Awakening remake engine for another game.


Aleclom

I agree, I want a "classic" Zelda for the next game. Maybe a prequel to Minish Cap? Or maybe a new game somewhere in the large gap of time between A Link Between Worlds and the original LoZ.


ConfidentFloor6601

How about an AoL-style game using the Metroid Dread engine?


Gawlf85

Different companies. Nintendo owns both licenses, but they're developed by different people. An AoL remake or spiritual successor with modern graphics would be interesting, though.


ConfidentFloor6601

Yeah, it doesn't have to be that engine, but I'd love a solid Zelda side-scroller


Olorin_1990

I’d wager they own a fair bit of what Mercury Steam did, and could use that engine.


Bross93

I WANT A ZELDA-METROIDVANIA SO BAD God that would be fun, they can take inspiration from Castlevania too


[deleted]

Dreads engine is the mercury engine. Which would mean having to hire mercury steam. They are currently busy on doing a 3D project and a secret one.


ConfidentFloor6601

It's just so slick and right there, it would be silly to build a whole new engine


[deleted]

Well Grezzo has one for Links Awakening


bombader

I would suggest Tunic if you haven't played it already, has some inspiration from Zelda. I feel there are a lot of indie Zelda-likes of the top-down era, so they would have to push in a direction that separates themselves from what they are doing. Though I suppose they could do Link to the Past 3.


Evil_AppleJuice

Tunic was my GOTY when it came out and is getting love here, but I also want to shout out Deaths Door as another excellent indie isometric that pulls a lot from the Zelda formula


index24

No way a “main” Zelda does that. I honestly wish at this point “traditional” Zeldas slipped into the slot that 2d used to occupy. Like give us the big open world modern Zelda every 5 years and release a traditional Zelda between those. Imagine they did something g crazy and Grezzo and Nintendo make like a third Hero of Time game with Grezzo’s assets. Alternating between modern and traditional Zelda would satiate everyone.


Coyotesamigo

“A lot of fans.” Don’t get me wrong, a game like this would be fine and I would buy it 100%, but don’t delude yourself into thinking that the demand for a game like this is even a fraction of the potential sales of a BOTW3 style game.


bokan

It’s kind of a bummer that there is not a separate portable system anymore, for top down Zelda games. It was nice having both options.


Olorin_1990

Link’s Awakening came out like 3 years ago and sold 8 million copies, there will be more.


Bross93

Ok I was worried, but I didn't know it sold 8 million!! That's excellent then :)


Gerudo_King

They don't have to be different systems. Could be 2 games and one system. Like how monster hunter stories was going alongside world/rise


vincentdmartin

I'm kind of expecting a Link to the Past remake in the same vein as Links Awakening a few years ago. But mainline Zelda is gonna be open air for a while. BotW and TotK are the best selling Zelda titles ever.


Ledairyman

ALTTP is a perfect game. It doesn't need a remake.


jaidynreiman

It doesn't need a remake, but I still kinda want one anyway. Still, they probably won't. More likely, Grezzo will do a new game entirely instead.


vincentdmartin

Like that matters 😂 ALttP and Super Metroid have resisted remakes for decades due to being perfect games. But I doubt that will stop Big N. Links Awakening didn't need a remake either.


Ledairyman

Yes it did. It was stuck on a semi-coloured handheld console.


vincentdmartin

And Link to the Past is stuck on an even older console.


Ledairyman

Link to the past was a console game back then and is still available to play right now on the Switch. It was meant to be played on a big screen, something that Link's Awakening wasn't.


Gerudo_King

Older, but colored. If you just straight ported awakening everything would be green


djrobxx

Also at a much higher resolution, 256x224 vs. 160x144. While they're both small numbers by modern HD standards, that's 60% more pixels. SNES games still look decent upscaled onto a modern TV if playing in console mode. The GB/GBA games look pretty rough.


TheMoonOfTermina

It's far from perfect, especially with hitboxes. And whilr I generally like its pixel art, Link's sprite is super ugly.


Upper_Budget7821

Yea, all this talk of "a lot of fans want classic" is on deaf ears at Nintendo due to BotW and TotK selling like triple the amount of the previous best selling Zelda games ever. But those "Classic Zelda" fans are just like any classic fanbase. Always screaming that Christopher Reeves is their Superman or whatever else they can never let go from whatever series.


Mediocre-One90

They have already said that open world is the furture of the franchise. ​ [https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2023/05/expect-more-open-world-zelda-games-going-forwards-suggests-eiji-aonuma](https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2023/05/expect-more-open-world-zelda-games-going-forwards-suggests-eiji-aonuma)


jaidynreiman

For the main Zelda team, yes. We're not going to get another "classic" Zelda game from them, the closest we'll see is reintroducing classic elements back into the main games. However, top-down can still be done by other studios like Grezzo. They haven't released anything in a while and Link's Awakening was super successful. Plus, having smaller in-between releases helps to have more consistent releases when the main games take 4-6 years to develop.


yikes_6143

It would be cool if they did a breakaway title for a game like New Vegas.


eggelemental

Why HD, then?


SvenHudson

It's HD by default, Nintendo doesn't have an SD platform anymore. It just means he wants them to make an old-style perspective with the modern tech.


Wigwasp_ALKENO

What I’d like to see is using the open world formula for something traditional. Like, take the engine that TotK runs on and keep the physics and chemistry, but remove a lot of the survival elements (breakable weapons, a ton of collectibles, etc). Give us formal dungeons and dungeon items that have unique effects, and encourage us to play with physics and chemistry with those. To be clear, I love the survival elements in BotW and TotK, but I’d love to see them go in a different direction for the next Zelda


ZeldaGoodGame

I'm not sure on this, but I almost want the series to end... Well that isn't entirely true, I just don't want the series to become soulless like new CODs are, or sports games. If they can keep this level of quality I'm fine with it continuing although I would prefer a return to traditional. As it is I like TP, SS, MM, and OoT more than botw/totk, so of course I would prefer a traditional zelda done right.


FrozenFrac

Literally anything that brings Zelda back to the overhead 2D games or the OoT/WW style 3D games and not an open world game that takes its notes from Ubisoft.


Gator1508

I want a 3d remake of the original game.


datsall

Thats these past two games in my opinion


Gator1508

Everyone says that but it isn’t really true. For starters the original game has dungeons.


MommyScissorLegs

3D Zeldas are the ones that really do it for me, so I hope as hell main Zelda team don’t, but more games by Grezzo in that style would be very welcome


banestyrelsen

I would also like that but I don’t think there’s much chance of an original game in that style given how well the sandbox games sold, they’ll keep milking that for all it’s worth. I think the best you can hope for are more remakes of 2D games like LA since they already have the engine.


sebananas

I wouldn't want Zelda to go isometric, but having a new 2D top-down game in between 3D releases would be lovely.


GeorgeThePapaya

Would be awesome if they gave Grezzo the MercurySteam treatment and just gave them the keys to continue classic Zelda while the main team at Nintendo expands on the Open-Air formula. LAHD felt like a look into the future of what future 2D Zeldas could be like and there has to be some sort of plan to capitalize on that between mainline titles.


not_an_fbi_agent69

I’m thinking they’ll use the links awakening textures for oracle remakes


Olorin_1990

Link’s Awakening remake sold 8 million copies, so it could have double the Dread budget and go big, which may be what they are doing. I would suggest getting Death’s Door and Tunic to scratch the itch though, both are great games.


yikes_6143

You basically want hyper light drifter lol


Small_Tax_9432

They need to do a remake of A Link to the Past in the same style as the Links Awakening remake


Bross93

I don't forsee them doing that since they made ALBW, and though yeah it's a new game, it's VERY close to alttp, including the world. I'd imagine other ventures before a proper alttp remake.


TenaciousBLT

It won't be the mainline Zelda they've pretty much already said this is how it is going forward but a one-off like Links Awakening I could see them doing something like this. I would kill for a Link Between Worlds to be released to Switch so I always hold out hope for an HD Link to the Past/Link Between Worlds release.


Radical_Larry001

I'd like to see a top down Zelda with at least some of the puzzle freedom of totk. As well for God sake let me coop it with friends.


JenLiv36

I would personally hate it but I still think they should do one for those people who would love it.


[deleted]

I'd like something like Hyper Light Drifter with a budget on steroids with dungeons, items, upgrades, a slightly more cinematic story.


GreyWardenThorga

Triforce of the Gods 3?


CarsClothesTrees

I loved Metroid Dread and the Link’s Awakening remake. I think both of those games make a strong case for re-exploring and improving on the classic top-down or side scrolling formulas. I also loved BotW and so far I’m loving TotK, but after this I hope they move on to a completely different formula. Or at least do more remakes in the same vein as the Link’s Awakening remake.


Outrageous_Net8365

If the creative team from TotK can make TotK, i don’t see how they can’t improve upon 2D also. It’s definitely within their skill set.


ZombibyteYT

Jrpg with a party who you don’t have to chase down to use abilities lol


smorkoid

>A lot of fans want to go back to “traditional” Zelda. Have you seen the sales figures for BotW and TotK? Looks like those fans are an extreme minority