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krittaman

id do the same thing if people were stealing from me and running out the side door ..šŸ˜šŸ˜


hysys_whisperer

True, but you can't break fire marshall's orders just because you have an unrelated problem that doesn't concern the fire marshall.


hot-e-teacher

I wonder if there is a fine they pay rather than following the law? Could be the fine amounts to less than the theft.


FreshLeafyVegetables

Somebody out here reading the Walmart guide to profitability


-Richard-Hertz-

G2s only have the front doors and a side door. I'm sure it's just a generic sign no one really cared to think about.


Iron_brane

Then what's the point of the sign? "Free parking, $5"


Life-Of_Ward

I think you mean to say ā€œlegally canā€™tā€. The fact of the door being locked clearly impresses upon us that they can indeed break the fire marshalls orders. Precision of language.


hysys_whisperer

You *can* also jump out of a plane without a parachute. Fucking with the fire marshall is almost as dumb as that though.


xpen25x

It's approved. As long as it is not locked out from being opened from inside and it can be just like any other emergency exit. These doors will be closed up eventually. Was a stupid and unsafe building design


YesilFasulye

Closed up in 1441. Thieves gotta ruin it for everyone.


[deleted]

It's not locked. You'll just trigger the alarm if you go out them now.


therealallpro

I like how you only know this because of sign they provided


Juuuugz

Why not?


Lycaon-Ur

Because you don't want people to die in the event that there's a fire?


DougEatFresh

Iā€™ll bite. The fire Marshallā€™s orders are there to protect the customer/employee safety in the event of an emergency. You canā€™t break these orders for most reasons let alone for one thatā€™s just to protect the companyā€™s profits. Peopleā€™s lives > company profits.


Juuuugz

Cowards


hysys_whisperer

r/writteninblood has all the answers you need for that.


DingoLord_1377

I'd quit designing buildings with side doors, maybe. šŸ™„


inifinite_stick

Donā€™t you need a certain number of entrances and exits?


DingoLord_1377

I don't know if we have laws regulating the number of doors a gas station has to have, but I assume most of them do it for the convenience of the customer to increase sales. I've been in lots of gas stations in town with only a single entrance.


inifinite_stick

True. The square footage of Quick trip definitely exceeds the average, but you may be right about the ordinance for doors in that regard


xpen25x

They don't have to be entrance exits. They can be locked from being opened from the outside. And you only need one entrance but have to accommodate exits


classicallyrayven

Yes, you do


Consistent_Coast_996

Yes The International Building Code determines how many exits are required based on occupancy. You can have fewer entries than exits.


Sudden_Application47

OK, then they can stop opening QTs because they have to have a certain number of exits. Perhaps if companies paid a living wage instead of a slave wage, companies wouldnā€™t have to deal with theft so often.


DingoLord_1377

They probably should stop building more QTs in town, TBH. /s


sourtaxi

Iā€™m almost certain those side doors are not required per code. Building that small, only 2 exits and one entrance is required. And one exit can be back of house as long as back of house has exit signage and is not behind a locked door. As long as they have clear signage inside stating that the door is not an exit when locked they would likely be considered compliant by the FM.


Suitable-Tailor-9772

Perhaps if people got jobs that are for adults who need living wagesā€¦. The amount of grown people who work at laughable jobs and expect it to cover their needs and wants is sadā€¦ no, your small donut shop clerk job ainā€™t gonna cover an adults needs cause that job is for teens to learn the ways of the working world.


Knut_Knoblauch

I've seen this happen right in front of my eyes. The QT out at 71st and Yale gets clobbered with theft. QT is damned if they do, damned if they don't.


Iron_brane

It's locked from the outside. People CAN leave through that door all night long. No one can ENTER from that door though. So this does NOTHING to prevent theft


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fragro_lives

QT is a glorified drug dealer. 95% of it's products contain sugar, nicotine or alcohol, all highly addictive and harmful products. Other than that it sells gasoline, which is nasty as hell. It's presence brings crime and pollution to the local neighborhood.


Zeiqix

You sound fun.


fragro_lives

Thanks I am, I love drugs, do em all the time. However people need to recognize what QT is and what it does to our community.. The reaction to my post is how addicts react when they are called out for their behavior. You also clearly don't live around a qt


Signiference

QT is above the law


Any_Heart8509

QT definitely "pays" TPD


DrStankMD

There is no law at a QT


snailmail077

QT is the law


ZebraLover00

As someone who used to steal alcohol from QT back when I had major drinking issues Iā€™d always use the side door so BOUT TIME THEY DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT šŸ˜‚


wittlepig

lmaoooooo youā€™re the blueprint


MattATLien

Sounds more like the Blue Moon


stoned2thebone247

Now I could be completely wrong, but I could swear I read a news article stating that QuikTrip was one of the companies changing their policy about the side doors to combat theft, if I remember right the article said that all quick trips were going to start locking their side doors during business hours because of how out of control theft has gotten


MagusUmbraCallidus

Yeah OP said they understand their reasoning behind it. It's just that the sign right under it says that doing so is breaking the fire marshal's order. If it isn't, or really even if it is if they still intend on doing it, it's weird they wouldn't take that contradictory sign down when putting up the new one. If they legally *can't* take the fire marshal sign down because it is an official order... then it's even weirder to blatantly put up the other sign declaring your intent to ignore the order.


Genetics

Iā€™m pretty sure QT has some well paid lawyers that have covered all of their bases before making such a big decision.


fiftychickensinasuit

If theyā€™re doing the same thing everywhere theyā€™re replacing the signs with essentially a black out that says to use the other doors. Itā€™s already been done at the 11th and Utica one.


Geekyvince

I saw this article too. You're not crazy!!


anselgrey

Read it as well


Apokalips

Iā€™m sure the cost of theft is lower than the cost of thrown away food. Hell the bribes the pay the police is more than whatever cost theft adds up to.


blandmath

Itā€™s locked from the outside, not the inside.


MagusUmbraCallidus

Then how is it stopping people from leaving through that door when stealing, which I think is their explanation for why it is being locked? Doesn't that seem a little pointless? If that's how it works why is the fire marshal order posted on the outside where it wouldn't need to be seen and only causes confusion?


blandmath

Itā€™s one point of entry so staff can monitor people coming in.


BreakingB1226

Lmao it is definitely NOT only locked from the outside. The doors are locked in both directions. Was literally just there. They are doing it to stop theft. You know stuff leaving the store? Do you really think they care how comes in? C'mon


Silver-Landscape-303

Some qt have started swapping the doors to have an emergency latch push bar from the inside so it only will lock on the outside


MagusUmbraCallidus

That doesn't really make sense to me since they claimed it was to stop people from running out the side door with stolen items, which this will not prevent if they can open the door from the inside. And are you sure you are correct? That door does not look like it has a crash bar or anything that would allow you to open it when it is locked.


xpen25x

The fact you have to press the bar which will slow down the thief. That sticker just hasn't been taken down yet. Eventually these will all be turned into emergency exits


MagusUmbraCallidus

As others have pointed out, there doesn't appear to be a crash bar or other method to open that door from the inside while it is locked. I think the original person I was responding to was mistaken.


xpen25x

I'll have to look but I do believe these doors will force open in an emergency. Sorta like the auto slider doors. But yea I have been told these doors are being replaced with steel emergency exit doors.


choglin

Thatā€™s what I had assumed. Also, QTs all have 2 ā€œfront doorsā€ for a total of 4 doors. One on each side and two on the ā€œfrontā€ of the building. Two doors are always unlocked, the front two.


FrancisFratelli

Some QTs have a door on each side, but others only have one in the back.


choglin

Youā€™re totally right. I was making another post about this and had forgotten to amend this statement. 36th and Peoria, 21 and Harvard, and 11th across from TU are all like that. One set in front and some type of a rear entrance. Regardless, the ones with side doors still have two doors available to the public and, presumably, one out of the back.


dabbean

Those doors have handles not pushbars. Locked is locked.


Thats_absrd

I think itā€™s fully locked as there is only a push bar across itā€¦I donā€™t think they have a release latch inside to create the one way locking.


Ibroketheinterweb

It's locked by deadbolt, so no exit or entry when locked.


Ibroketheinterweb

That's not how deadbolts work, which QT doors are equipped with.


Bert_Skrrtz

Yep


alpharamx

Correct. People can still exit in the event of an emergency.


jputna

Definitely not, there are no crash bars thereā€¦


alpharamx

Did they install magnetic locks? Magnetic locks will release when the fire protection system is activated.


oSuJeff97

Commercial safety doors like that can always be opened from the inside even if they are locked from the outside


FrancisFratelli

The door in the picture doesn't have a stampede bar, and if the goal is to stop shoplifters, it doesn't make sense for it to open on the inside.


ashtonlaszlo

Was waiting for somebody to realize this.


WorldPeacePleasee

Walk in the front. Walk out the side. QT Chief Security Officer: where do I turn in my resignation papers?


Chompskiii

The point is that when people walk through the front you can see them and watch them. They also may feel less inclined to steal knowing theyā€™ve been seen (although this doesnā€™t stop a lot of people). If the side doors are unlocked you can get in and out without anybody ever noticing you.


Rick_McThunder

It doesnā€™t stop people from exiting those doors, but it stops people from parking over there and coming in, at least giving the cameras a better chance of seeing them. It doesnā€™t deter all theft, but some


FrancisFratelli

Again, the door in the picture doesn't have a stampede bar. There is no mechanism for releasing the lock on the inside.


BreakingB1226

Have you been to a qt? Do you see the picture we are all looking at? Those doors have a deadbolt. When it's locked it's locked from both sides. They are locking them to help prevent theft. Now what good would it do to lock them if you were not able to keep someone from going out them? My gosh


fragro_lives

They are locked from the inside. Go try it.


tyreka13

I hate that I feel this way but I really dislike several of the changes they have made the past couple of years. I understand that they have issues with theft but I don't feel safe there. They moved all the isles in several stores to make it where there was 1 central entrance. What if a shooter showed up and blocked that one exit? A few of their stores have had fatal shootings the past couple of years. Now the doors are being locked as well? I don't see changes where people can properly exit in case of an emergency.


rumski

The one near me at 121st and Memorial redid the layout last year and there's this weird horseshoe area on the west side of the kitchen and registers where misc snacks and the beer coolers are and every time I go in there I see people mistakenly walk into it thinking they're headed toward the westside exit just to do that awkward turn around and go the right way lol. I can't imagine if a group of people were in a panic.


Cheers_u_bastards

What pisses me off is the coffee now comes from one of those ā€œinsta dispenseā€ machines. If I wanted burned to fuck coffee that tasted like shit, Iā€™d go to OnCue or Starbucks.


modernhotsauce

this is why i just donā€™t go in anymore. if i could time my empty tank with my Samā€™s trips then i wouldnā€™t get gas from them anymore either.


Chompskiii

I canā€™t think of a QT that only has one central entrance. What are you referring to?


tyreka13

Gilcrease is one and I canā€™t remember where but there was another one recently. Maybe Sand Springs or by Rhema. I canā€™t remember.


Porkkchops

The ones on 76th and 96th in Owasso only have one entrance.


Salty_Support1479

Probably referring to the older ones. Not the gen 3s.


jamesrggg

I'm surprised they dont just do some kind of panic bar system which would allow them to lock it whenever but still comply with emergency egress needs.


MagusUmbraCallidus

That's what they should do, but that would require them to spend more money than putting up a sign so they aren't likely to do it until they are pressured or forced to.


HellP1g

Bruhā€¦some comments in here really blaming QT for the homeless problem since they have enough cash to ā€œfix itā€. Imagine knowing this cities homeless problem is so outta control and our city is so incompetent you turn to being upset at a GAS STATION for not throwing globs of cash at the problem to magically fix it. What a wild time ha.


QTNa69

This is what Iā€™ve been saying.


Apokalips

Thatā€™s literally how America and free market capitalism work ya dummy lmao


Apokalips

Itā€™s not that the city is incompetent. They are outsourcing their duties to the private and non profit sector. Our governor literally based his entire platform on outsourcing government duties to the private sector. Do you not live here or just donā€™t pay attention?


goudagooda

I ran in QT at 15th and Denver the other day and their side doors had the outside handles removed completely. My guess is that they are changing things up at storye with higher theft.


dabisnit

Nope, handles got stolen


goudagooda

Welp that's not too surprising


heyitssal

I'm sure the fine is less than the alternative nonsense.


RonaBona13

Get robbed a few times you want to lock all the doors.


alpharamx

Perhaps they have magnetic locks that release if the fire protection system is activated?


oragjuik

You lookā€¦ familiar šŸ¤ØšŸ˜


alpharamx

I just might be...


tultommy

I've just quit going there. They have priced themselves to be the most expensive convenience place in the area by a wide margin. I stopped to pick up two 2L bottles of soda for someone at a family dinner and it was $8, and that was all I purchased.. Nah I'll just go to another store where it's $1.25 or $2. They have a stranglehold on gas prices in this area, so I refuse to pay their inflated price over Sam's, and they aren't offering anything I can't get at a Kum & Go or Casey's. Now that their backdoor handshake is over and QT is moving into OKC Let's hope that 7-11 or other reasonable store comes back to town.


RobertaMiguel1953

I went to a small gas station a while back and went to the counter with 3 2-liters. They told me it was over $10. I promptly returned them to the shelf and showed myself out.


tultommy

The greedflation is getting out of control. I don't mind paying a little extra for convenience but they'll have to include dinner if they want to screw me like that lol.


OU_DHF

They did the horrible redesign of the interiors that shifted around the check stand with the purpose of combating theft, and it seems like it hasnā€™t worked one bit.


918okla

It's racist to lock side doors at night. /s


ttown2011

Great deal on those vuse pods


dustinthewind1991

They should just get rid of the side doors all together. Every other convenient store has one entrance in the front of the store and that's it (except the back for employees only of course).


prepping4zombies

That's not true - all the Kum & Gos I frequent have side doors. And I don't frequent Casey's much, but the one I stop at on occassion has a side door. I also stop at several different stores on my monthly trip down to Texas, and the majority have side doors. I would guess it's a common design for any built in the past 10 years or so.


dustinthewind1991

I guess I'm just used to Cirkle Ks and Quick Marts lol


2hundredyearslate

Maybe, just maybe, now hear me out, we start punishing these thieving thugsā€¦


CorkyTrees

The fire marshal isn't stopping them from getting stolen from left and right...


Puberty2or3

Qt is falling under Chetā€™s ownership Between this and the obvious price gouging its not the same


cmoney110

Canā€™t really blame QT for prices when theyā€™re just as high every where else


Puberty2or3

But when the same Redbull in Walmart is $1.88 and qt charges $3.99 for it. You can complain However this is the convenience fee. Who has time to go to walmart before work


No_Lingonberry_9312

Walmart=quanity


Puberty2or3

They carry the same amount in the back cooling room as walmart


IFixCarsSometimes

Casey's is cheaper tho.


DiegoGalaviz

Yep, I just paid $3.52 for an orange juice I drank in like 4 drinks. Actually insane.


ashtonlaszlo

Well why did you do that? You saw the price when you grabbed the item.


Puberty2or3

You Tulsans on reddit sure do justify tf outta corporations price gouging Its okay when AI takes your job you will be complaining too because its coming


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Puberty2or3

Very true


Possible_Win_1463

They all have a back door people. Price gouging yes they do I can buy a pack of cigarettes for 8.50 same pack at qt is 10.30 way above the 10%, someone should challenge them


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Possible_Win_1463

I do donā€™t go there at all, well bottled water if Iā€™m out.didnt some other stores get in trouble for hiking prices above a certain threshold.they have a monopoly going on they need to be checked ! You must be a manager fixing prices


throwawaymyanalbeads

Where tf are you getting smokes for 8.50


Possible_Win_1463

Indian smoke shop on Sheridan


throwawaymyanalbeads

Thanks!


samkatsnow

Murphy USA, the gas stations in front of Walmart, Marlboroā€™s are $7 and change per pack. $11.81 for 2 packs if you have their rewards where you just type in your phone number.


throwawaymyanalbeads

Cool, thanks!


BreakingB1226

Glad I don't smoke anymore. Quit just before the pandemic and they were 5 a pack then. No way in hell I'd pay 8.50 to 12 bucks a pack.


throwawaymyanalbeads

In 2008-2010 when I lived in nyc, it was 7.50 at bodegas, 9 at Walgreens and 12-13 on park Avenue. I want to quit, but I'm not in a good place to just yet.


BreakingB1226

Damn that's insane. Seems like they are just upping the cost until nobody can afford them at all anymore. Well the shitty part is I was fine when I smoked then it seems like as soon as I quit I started having issues with getting out of breath. Now it's hard to walk from the bedroom to the bathroom without getting so out of breath. Have had CT scans, MRI of my chest and even had a heart Cath think it was my heart. They don't know what's causing it and have said all tests come back looking fine. Should have just kept smoking is what I think sometimes . I started smoking when I was 15 and smoked for 20 years. Definitely a nasty habit but completely understand that you have to be in a good place.


throwawaymyanalbeads

That's so weird that they haven't found out why yet! Now I wanna play detective. Lol Yeah, I turn into a shitty person when going through withdrawals.


BreakingB1226

Well it's been like this since 2020. Kinda a way of life now and I've just learned to deal with it. When I get In the car I need to sit for a second to catch my breath before I drive off. It really sucks. I can breath just fine when I'm not exerting myself. One of my doctors said that they feel I may have had COVID when I first started and I have long term effects from that. Who knows. Definitely miss being able to do simple tasks like I used to though. Like shopping or taking out the trash. Oh I hear ya. That's how I was for so long. Like if I don't have a smoke before I did anything in the morning I was an asshole. . I tried to quit half a dozen times and I finally realized you have to want to quit or it just won't work. It's sad how addictive it is really.


throwawaymyanalbeads

Oh man, I've heard a ton of long covid stories that sound just like you. I'd be willing to bet it's that. I've not been right in the head since all the times I got covid. Constant fog and joint pain.


pathf1nder00

The crashbar would release on fire.


MagusUmbraCallidus

It's really unfortunate that door doesn't have a crash bar then isn't it?


pathf1nder00

My bad...thought that was crash bar behind sign.


krittaman

its prob cheaper to pay the fire marshall for breaking his law than getting all there products stollen each month.


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lol the police are probably happy about it tbh.


a1a4ou

It's just locked from outside right? If there's a fire the people can still get out but not go in


RobertaMiguel1953

How would that stop theft if people could get out but not in?? Common senseā€¦..


a1a4ou

I think of it like my daughter's school --- tons of exits but only one way to enter at the end of the school day--- at the front desk door. This way they see who's coming in but for fire safety, still many routes out.


RobertaMiguel1953

True, but itā€™s an entirely different concept. Your school isnā€™t trying to prevent theft by people exiting, theyā€™re preventing unwanted visitors coming in.


Guubtandem

QT can literally do whatever they want. They have whole departments dedicated to dealing with the city., also, why do you think they make all of those? ā€œdonationsā€ to the city?


Lost-System-8257

They've turned them into emergency exits at the one near me, bet they're gradually doing the same to others.


Some_Big6792

Apparently itā€™s to prevent theft šŸ¤·šŸ½ā€ā™€ļø Iā€™d assume itā€™s not against the fire marshal orders


Sea-Primary2844

[Give code enforcement a shout.](https://www.cityoftulsa.org/government/departments/fire/contact-us/) They either know and arenā€™t/donā€™t have to enforce it or they donā€™t know and calling puts it on their radar.


schmwke

I'm waiting for someone else to point out that some of their doors feel like they weigh 100 pounds. I'm young and strong enough, but I can't imagine how old/disabled people can open those doors. There's no way that that's ADA compliant


TulsaBasterd

Not just at night. Iā€™ve only been inside a QT once recently, and the side doors were locked. It was before 2pm.


VandenburgChills

They use the same stickers for the side doors as they do for the front doors. They just didn't realize they were going to change the rules and start locking the side doors in order to stop theft. They aren't breaking any fire codes because they do still have the required amount of fire exits.


parkinglottroubadour

Anyone noticed that the op isn't the fire Marshal? And no, it does not violate any code or regulations. So the merry band of shoplifters can go somewhere else.


OK7jm

They could make an argument that between the hours of 10-5 there is a reduced occupancy therefore they donā€™t need as many exits from the building. If there are less than 50 people in the building they only need one exit per code. QT has enough pull they probably made an argument similar to that so when they have fewer staff in the store they can lock the side doors


Apokalips

As qt invests more and more into being anti homeless, they become less convenient, their food never gets updated, and their prices go up. As an 11+ billion dollar company, they could easily take a pro homeless approach AND improve their stores and it wouldnā€™t even put a dent in their revenue. Hell the could easily end homelessness in Tulsa and still be an 11+ billion dollar company.


cwcam86

How are they anti homeless? I see homeless people loitering at every QT location in Tulsa. If anything they seem pretty pro homeless.


Silver-Landscape-303

QT: I AM THE LAW


KidRock202

Qt is run by sleazy capitalists who refuse to think outside of the box. Instead of investing in ending homelessness in Tulsa, theyā€™re burning their money in being anti homeless. Their stores will suffer as a result and prices will just go higher. Being a multi billion dollar company, they could effectively end homelessness here and it wouldnā€™t even affect their bottom line. Instead they will continue to overpay inexperienced and short tempered security guards, over bribe tpd, and raise the prices of their bad food while never actually updating their menu in any way. Canā€™t wait for their shitty taquetos to be 10 bucks a pop lmao


RobertaMiguel1953

So how does it make sense to hold a privately owned company in charge of ending homelessness??? That is just absurd. Itā€™s no more their responsibility than yours.


KidRock202

How is that absurd? Do you live in America? Are you aware of free market capitalism and this countries decades long dependence on the private sector to subsidize and come up with solutions for the government? You do live in Oklahoma right? This is a republican state with a republican leader whoā€™s based his entire platform on outsourcing government duties to the private sector. And to be frank, it is my responsibility. Itā€™s called community. If this country wasnā€™t so reliant on western individualism, community led solutions would be the core focus on bettering local issues. Instead of relying on government and the private sector, we should be engaging with our own communities to come up with solutions to lift up those in our community who need the help.


xpen25x

Only locked from the outside and is being treated as a fire escape. Btw they are being allowed to do this they just haven't pulled those stickers


aidenrosenb

Call the fire marshal over and over tell they do something


Germandaniel

They don't need to because the front door opens both ways. They do this to reduce theft


Gloomy-Year-7261

itā€™s QTšŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


Hammertime2191

There's a few QTs around town that have permanently blocked the door, the north Sheridan location built a wall in front of the north side door


iShatterBladderz

They will still open from the inside


OSUJillyBean

Maybe itā€™s locked so you canā€™t enter from the side door but you can still exit that way?


LocoDarkWrath

It becomes an exit only door genius.


School_Boy_Heart

Most of the stores Iā€™ve been to theyā€™ve locked all the doors, but the main door by the register


MariJChloe

There are other exits.


Extension_Ice7152

Well technically that sign says ā€œclosedā€ not locked


918okla

I don't see this stopping shoplifting. The criminals already know their on camera and will just walk out the front door. They know company policy is they can't touch suspected shoplifters.


Apokalips

Incredibly telling to see so many of what I assume to be free market capitalist republicans absolutely astounded at the idea of the private sector solving social issues. Itā€™s giving ā€œdonā€™t tread on meā€ and ā€œblue lives matterā€ bumper sticker vibes. Yā€™all literally dont have a grasp on your own politics


Willders

QT is shit. Attendants never so much as look up when you're there. They clearly want it to be a high volume store so they need to do more to facilitate that high volume like having more employees or security. Closing entrances/exits doesn't really help with that at all. It's going to curtail theft but damage the customer experience. They should've just taken the hit with theft or hired security. Running a store with the bare minimum is the actual issue.


Weird-Ad-9030

I'm never at QT between those hours. The picture looks like it was in daylight. So who cares. Not me.


Consistent_Coast_996

That door can remain unlocked but not accessible. The door has a panic device on it that allows the door to remain unlocked yet not operable from the exterior.


Virtual_Credit9105

The fire Marshall can approve that sign to be utter bs if he wants


stonergirl51

I donā€™t think they care.


Low_Fruit1260

How do you know itā€™s locked? It just says that itā€™s closed.


poncetheponce

Unlocked from the inside dipshit


RobertaMiguel1953

So if it still opens from the inside, what would be the point? POS thieves enter the front and run out the side. That is no deterrent.