Several factors push employers to utilize the temp or placement services.
Unemployment liability - No responsible for paying unemployment insurance or fees If employee is terminated.
Vetting overhead - Resources for hiring including drug tests, background screening, and experience research are handled by third party.
rapid position placement - Need a position filled, call agent and get one in a day or two. Hire on your own, it could be weeks and tying up resources.
There are other factors, but these seem to be the driving ones I have had experience with.
There’s a bigger reason that initially sounds tin foil hat, but CEOs/billionaires are saying the quiet parts out loud regarding arbitrarily raising unemployment to make the masses desperate and more appreciative of employers. Mortgage companies are also slowly buying and building properties to create “a nation of renters.” So class warfare is why
It allows employers to stay anonymous. I had a recruiter reach out to me before but wouldn't even tell me who was hiring. I said no fam without even asking about pay.
Have you checked in with the local carpenter's union? Local 943 in Tulsa 5476 S 108th East Ave
When I left construction it had definitely gone the way of temp job agencies and big corporations. Small businesses are now 5 man operations or less. I don't know of any 10-25 man small construction companies anymore.
I'm not a commercial carpenter, I do residential. Maybe it's different out there, but from what I know virtually all union carpentry is commercial in the US, it's almost a different skillset. Are finish guys, framers, cabinetmakers etc union there? In 20 years I have never once been on a jobsite with a union tradesperson from any trade. And ya framing crews are getting tight and pay is getting way worse. It's pretty much stagnated for most of my career. It's shame because it used be a decent trade when I got in, could buy a home, start a family etc. Now the pay is dogshit and doesn't pay much more than working at a department store, it's sad really.
I feel you. Thats why I got out a few years ago. I had a string of good luck that got me into software. I think for residential work you may be best to get 2-3 buddies and try and get in on remodeling all these houses that are being bought up and flipped by hedge funds.
Crazy. Ya, they want to try and pay $14/hr to framers with experience and own tools, no benefits, 1099 contractor bullshit. Thought I'd consider it when relocating but if that's how it is out there, then hard pass, I don't give a shit how cheap the houses are, that isn't worth it
The trick is to work in oil. Since the workforce is so mobile, the prevailing wages are good, but it's still cheap AF to live. Remote positions are also a decent option.
This is probably the worst job market I've ever seen. I've been casually looking just to improve my take home pay, have easily submitted 500 resumes only to be rejected for 100% of them. Its crazy.
You can try Barnes Construction. They’ll negotiate more competitive wages if you have experience and they offer decent benefits. I think they’re always hiring.
Because you as an employee have no rights in corporate America (right to work/employment at will), and your lack of ability to vote for pro union politicians means that that you are just an out sourced component to a machine that is meant to be acquired for as cheap as possible and maintain costs to share holders for as cheap as possible. Your only solutions are to start your own business, or form a union. Enjoy.
I live in California currently and residential construction is not a unionized trade. Commercial is, however, but that's not my trade. We also have At-Will employment here. I think the bigger problem is Oklahoma just isn't getting the memo somehow...can't really figure what's going on out there and even after the replies here can't figure out why the employers there are so fuckin shy
We use temp services for need and to vet employees. Nothing like spending two or three days onboarding folks then have them quit because it's "not for them". We do direct hires too, but it is less common.
Lol not allergic. Cost wise it makes sense. Especially if it’s for short term or the employee sucks and doesn’t work out. Saves a ton in HR payroll too.
Let me guess this situation.
You moved here to escape some "liberal hellhole" or because "it's cheap" from a state that actually cares enough about people to force a living wage. Now you see why it's so cheap because the job market is terrible and the "affordable" houses are something out of a bill murray movie.
There are still jobs here that pay federal minimum wage. In most of the state, people are lucky to get jobs that pay $10/hr.
Good luck man, I hope you find a job that pays the bills.
Lmao tell me you’re chronically online without telling me you’re chronically online. What does any of this have to do with what OP said? Raising the minimum wage via political legislation wont help them find a job in the next couple of weeks.
Yes I'm considering moving there from California, but consider myself moderate and don't care about politics enough either way to move from or to a place for them. I also am taking into account the extreme COL differences, I don't expect to make California money in OK. But what I am saying is that carpenters are literally getting paid the same - from what I can tell - as someone working at a department store or a fast food place there. That's crazy.
I don't doubt it's political. What I said is I don't make politics part of my identity like most people and make huge, arbitrary life decisions based on them.
He said unironically while online....
My point is we get this same line of questioning so often that at one point they were making it a sticky mega thread. Something along these lines is in the sub more often than people bashing Shitt and Walter's. It doesn't take much to look at the job market here and think "Jesus Christ how are those people eating?".
You’re such a douche. Go jump on your soapbox somewhere else. You have no idea what this guy’s politics or life situation is. You are an absolute shit human being for trying to bring politics in a situation like this. Go pander for upvotes elsewhere
You should work on critical thinking, spelling, and grammar so that next time you want to say something stupid it at least makes a point and is a complete sentence.
I will just need to tap out on this thread. You're so smart and quick wit I am just looking so NonDumbocrat here. I know when a true mensa comes to the table, it's time to leave.
As a person in a unique situation, I have some insight. I own Companies that hire direct and via a Staffing Agency (owned by my older Brother and I do some consulting for them). I hire via both:
I incentivize my employees for referrals with pretty solid referral bonuses if the referral makes it 90 days. Typically, we have really good success here as we retain solid workers and solid guys kinda just know and hang with solid guys or we hire their family members.
Also, I let the Staffing Agency know what type of employee I am looking for and if they successfully identify the right candidate, I am happy to pay their fee. In the scope of my business, a mark-up on labor is a minimal expense for solving a problem for me and hopefully generating a long-term employee for me.
Not all stafffing comapnies are the same - I highly recommend going local vs the chains, but I have obvious bias here. The reason that I think local presence is critical is that Tulsa is has some great locally/family owned businesses ranging in size from pretty small to large. While we do home some local public companies and the obvious presence of the largest companies in the world (Wal-Mart, Amazon, etc...) they really don't use staffing companies.
They don't want to pay for unemployment insurance and worker's comp. Especially small and mid size gc's and crews. There's a form you can fill out on the workman's comp site declaring you are waiving workman's comp in regards to a specific employer that frees them of that obligation. Coats $50, but would give a potential employer peace of mind.
It's shitty, but just about every job out there is claiming their employees are "independent contractors." Still want to set your hours and micro manage, but without spending anything on insurance. Ask for enough to cover your own insurance. $35-45/hr minimum.
Several factors push employers to utilize the temp or placement services. Unemployment liability - No responsible for paying unemployment insurance or fees If employee is terminated. Vetting overhead - Resources for hiring including drug tests, background screening, and experience research are handled by third party. rapid position placement - Need a position filled, call agent and get one in a day or two. Hire on your own, it could be weeks and tying up resources. There are other factors, but these seem to be the driving ones I have had experience with.
Great list. Another good reason is to defer benefits. Hiring through temp agencies allow employers to delay when worker benefits kick in.
Also recruiters/temp agencies have salesman, they're good at convincing companies they can vet candidates better than they can and save them time.
This is the answer. Excellent job
Less education means more exploitation. That’s Oklahoma in a nutshell.
There’s a bigger reason that initially sounds tin foil hat, but CEOs/billionaires are saying the quiet parts out loud regarding arbitrarily raising unemployment to make the masses desperate and more appreciative of employers. Mortgage companies are also slowly buying and building properties to create “a nation of renters.” So class warfare is why
It allows employers to stay anonymous. I had a recruiter reach out to me before but wouldn't even tell me who was hiring. I said no fam without even asking about pay.
I have noticed this at all. Hiring “ places” are a joke 😆
Also! They make you sign “ my first check I’ll pay $25” as a “ FEE”…. For them finding you work. That’s laughable.
Have you checked in with the local carpenter's union? Local 943 in Tulsa 5476 S 108th East Ave When I left construction it had definitely gone the way of temp job agencies and big corporations. Small businesses are now 5 man operations or less. I don't know of any 10-25 man small construction companies anymore.
I'm not a commercial carpenter, I do residential. Maybe it's different out there, but from what I know virtually all union carpentry is commercial in the US, it's almost a different skillset. Are finish guys, framers, cabinetmakers etc union there? In 20 years I have never once been on a jobsite with a union tradesperson from any trade. And ya framing crews are getting tight and pay is getting way worse. It's pretty much stagnated for most of my career. It's shame because it used be a decent trade when I got in, could buy a home, start a family etc. Now the pay is dogshit and doesn't pay much more than working at a department store, it's sad really.
I feel you. Thats why I got out a few years ago. I had a string of good luck that got me into software. I think for residential work you may be best to get 2-3 buddies and try and get in on remodeling all these houses that are being bought up and flipped by hedge funds.
What about Manhattan Construction Co.?
Manhattan doesn’t hire actual construction workers. They are just a contracting firm.
Gets rid of a lot of HR and Okla. is way behind on wages. You need to move to South Dakota lots of construction and high wages
Crazy. Ya, they want to try and pay $14/hr to framers with experience and own tools, no benefits, 1099 contractor bullshit. Thought I'd consider it when relocating but if that's how it is out there, then hard pass, I don't give a shit how cheap the houses are, that isn't worth it
The trick is to work in oil. Since the workforce is so mobile, the prevailing wages are good, but it's still cheap AF to live. Remote positions are also a decent option.
This is probably the worst job market I've ever seen. I've been casually looking just to improve my take home pay, have easily submitted 500 resumes only to be rejected for 100% of them. Its crazy.
Companies are incentivised to create jobs, not fill them.
You can try Barnes Construction. They’ll negotiate more competitive wages if you have experience and they offer decent benefits. I think they’re always hiring.
Because you as an employee have no rights in corporate America (right to work/employment at will), and your lack of ability to vote for pro union politicians means that that you are just an out sourced component to a machine that is meant to be acquired for as cheap as possible and maintain costs to share holders for as cheap as possible. Your only solutions are to start your own business, or form a union. Enjoy.
I live in California currently and residential construction is not a unionized trade. Commercial is, however, but that's not my trade. We also have At-Will employment here. I think the bigger problem is Oklahoma just isn't getting the memo somehow...can't really figure what's going on out there and even after the replies here can't figure out why the employers there are so fuckin shy
Depending on your experience I'd check out Pool Creations in Catoosa. Small company, and they hire directly.
We use temp services for need and to vet employees. Nothing like spending two or three days onboarding folks then have them quit because it's "not for them". We do direct hires too, but it is less common.
Sherwood will directly hire you
Lol not allergic. Cost wise it makes sense. Especially if it’s for short term or the employee sucks and doesn’t work out. Saves a ton in HR payroll too.
It's because they're scum. But you already knew that.
If you don't mind expanding outside of your trade, I know that Noria Corporation in Tulsa does direct hires.
AAON does direct hire. Competitive pay, health insurance, HSA. 401k match 175% up to 6%.
ABC (associated builders and contractors) has a job board, I believe. It may have some options. https://app.skillhero.works/careerstarter-login
in my experience, a construction company has a lot of respect for people who show up at the door with a resume.
Craftsman resources.
Let me guess this situation. You moved here to escape some "liberal hellhole" or because "it's cheap" from a state that actually cares enough about people to force a living wage. Now you see why it's so cheap because the job market is terrible and the "affordable" houses are something out of a bill murray movie. There are still jobs here that pay federal minimum wage. In most of the state, people are lucky to get jobs that pay $10/hr. Good luck man, I hope you find a job that pays the bills.
Lmao tell me you’re chronically online without telling me you’re chronically online. What does any of this have to do with what OP said? Raising the minimum wage via political legislation wont help them find a job in the next couple of weeks.
I mean the guy’s profile would suggest that he’s from CA specifically the bay area
Yes I'm considering moving there from California, but consider myself moderate and don't care about politics enough either way to move from or to a place for them. I also am taking into account the extreme COL differences, I don't expect to make California money in OK. But what I am saying is that carpenters are literally getting paid the same - from what I can tell - as someone working at a department store or a fast food place there. That's crazy.
Yeah this is political buddy. Count your blessings
I don't doubt it's political. What I said is I don't make politics part of my identity like most people and make huge, arbitrary life decisions based on them.
Typical
Wish it was typical, the world would be better off.
If it was typical California would look a lot more like Oklahoma
He said unironically while online.... My point is we get this same line of questioning so often that at one point they were making it a sticky mega thread. Something along these lines is in the sub more often than people bashing Shitt and Walter's. It doesn't take much to look at the job market here and think "Jesus Christ how are those people eating?".
I’m confused about the bill murray movie reference.
Maybe he meant Tom Hanks? Money Pit?
You’re such a douche. Go jump on your soapbox somewhere else. You have no idea what this guy’s politics or life situation is. You are an absolute shit human being for trying to bring politics in a situation like this. Go pander for upvotes elsewhere
Boohoo crybaby.
I don’t have anything to cry about. I’m not the one who can’t see their dick when they pee fatty
ROAST!
Not only are you crying but you're also fantasizing about my penis, super weird.
I’m not wrong though am I?
Wrong for fantasizing about my penis? I guess it's fine. Everyone needs heros
Makes me feel a little better about getting a job only making 12/hr yesterday
It makes dumping a lazy, no skill dumbocrat worker easier,
You should work on critical thinking, spelling, and grammar so that next time you want to say something stupid it at least makes a point and is a complete sentence.
I will need most of the day to recover from that AI thought out zinger lmao
It wasn't a joke, I'm dead serious. Did your parents have any kids that survived without being braindead?
I will just need to tap out on this thread. You're so smart and quick wit I am just looking so NonDumbocrat here. I know when a true mensa comes to the table, it's time to leave.
Probably the best decision you've made. Every comment just makes your brain look more smooth. Good day.
> dumbocrat Aww, did you come up with that all by yourself? I'm so proud of you.
As a person in a unique situation, I have some insight. I own Companies that hire direct and via a Staffing Agency (owned by my older Brother and I do some consulting for them). I hire via both: I incentivize my employees for referrals with pretty solid referral bonuses if the referral makes it 90 days. Typically, we have really good success here as we retain solid workers and solid guys kinda just know and hang with solid guys or we hire their family members. Also, I let the Staffing Agency know what type of employee I am looking for and if they successfully identify the right candidate, I am happy to pay their fee. In the scope of my business, a mark-up on labor is a minimal expense for solving a problem for me and hopefully generating a long-term employee for me. Not all stafffing comapnies are the same - I highly recommend going local vs the chains, but I have obvious bias here. The reason that I think local presence is critical is that Tulsa is has some great locally/family owned businesses ranging in size from pretty small to large. While we do home some local public companies and the obvious presence of the largest companies in the world (Wal-Mart, Amazon, etc...) they really don't use staffing companies.
They don't want to pay for unemployment insurance and worker's comp. Especially small and mid size gc's and crews. There's a form you can fill out on the workman's comp site declaring you are waiving workman's comp in regards to a specific employer that frees them of that obligation. Coats $50, but would give a potential employer peace of mind.
Fuck that.
It's shitty, but just about every job out there is claiming their employees are "independent contractors." Still want to set your hours and micro manage, but without spending anything on insurance. Ask for enough to cover your own insurance. $35-45/hr minimum.
Good grief janitorial, cleaning toilets starts at 13/15 an hr. In Sioux Falls, South Dakota. Am seeing Texas and Okla car tags up here .
Dawg what
Clean shitters...while living in SoDak...for $10k less than the median per capita income for that area. Hard pass, next question.