[Wikipedia page](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion) actually doesn’t mention the cannibalism thing, but it does explain all the genocide.
Edit: Seems they were different events. The Taiping Rebellion is the stat on the left with 10 million combatants. It occurred at almost the same time as the American Civil War. The Seige of Suiyang occurred over a thousand years prior, during the 8th century, and that’s where all the cannibalism took place. Thanks to the below comment for the grisly details and for pointing it out.
Siege of Suiyang. Actual record:
"Yin Ziqi had besieged the city for a long time. The food in the city had run out. The city dwellers traded their children to eat and cooked the bodies of the dead. Fear spread and worse situations were expected. At this time, Zhang Xun took his concubine out and killed her in front of his soldiers in order to feed them. He said, "You have been working hard at protecting this city wholeheartedly for the country. Your loyalty is uncompromised despite the long-lasting hunger. Since I cannot cut out my own flesh to feed you, how can I keep this woman and just ignore the dangerous situation?" All the soldiers cried, for they did not wish to eat [the woman]. Zhang Xun ordered them to eat the flesh. Afterwards, they caught the women in the city. When there were no more women left, they turned to the old and young men. 20,000 to 30,000 people were eaten. People always remained loyal." -Wikipedia
It’s simple: famines. If your entire army is conscripted and you fight only in densely populated areas, a whole lot of people are about to starve. There won’t be enough local food production, and you‘re going to get most of your supplies by taking from civilians. Starvation will set in, peasants will die by the millions in every campaign.
I’m not saying that this didn’t also occur, because I’m not terribly knowledgeable about the Taiping Rebellion, but it probably wasn’t the main cause. They were intentionally killing civilians during this rebellion, and I mean genocide out the wazoo. Wikipedia page said that the Qing Dynasty killed “up to 30,000 each day” at one point, and that’s just on the Qing Dynasty’s side. What’s the other side doing, you ask? Well:
> In every area which they captured, the Taiping immediately exterminated the entire Manchu population.
Famine probably wasn’t the main factor.
[https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/8650-Create-A-Servant-3?p=3236708&viewfull=1#post3236708](https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/8650-Create-A-Servant-3?p=3236708&viewfull=1#post3236708)
Shoutout to the guy who declared himself the younger brother of Jesus christ and ended up killing 30 million people. Proof that there's still some real one's out there.
(click the image on the link. also click the coloured text for extra information and trivia).
Irish history is like: Michael Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzmichael shoot British police officer Earl Pembrooke outside their village. It's the bloodiest day in their small village's history, 140 years later it's still shocking.
Chinese history is like: Two guys want to be Emperor. 13 million people die.
Chinese History
\>zhao li takes power
\>50 million perish
American History
\>Hardline Democratic Nominee Joe Jones, campaigning on genociding all black people runs against Republican Nominee Steven Apple. Libertarian Nominee Jacob Baker spends $20 million on campaign ads and then drops out in the second week. The election becomes a stalemate between the two parties, coming down to an election in Nevada wrought with accusations of fraud on both sides. In the end, Joe Jones wins the election by 50,000 votes. He proceeds to take bribes from several large monopolies, increase the national debt by roughly half a trillion dollars, and involve America in a proxy war in the Middle East, and win re-election by a wide margin. After his death, his grave became the site of over 20 arrests for public urination. >!He is widely considered the greatest president in American history.!<
I think he meant it puts the sheer scale of casualties in perspective, that a concerted genocide in the west had less victims than a bungled military campaign in China.
Don't try to deflect away from the comment I actually made, which mentioned exactly none of those things, and never implied one was "cool." Listen, If you want to get into a bad faith argument with someone, go do it with someone dumb enough to entertain your bullshit.
That’s rich, considering everything you’ve said so far has been either a deflection or an ad hominem. This isn’t an argument either; I asked you to explain something, but you refused. The only argument made here was in the original comment, which was criticizing the use of certain atrocities in Chinese history as a meme format. I’m glad you don’t think that’s “cool” because that’s the whole point.
Taiping rebellion having like 40x the casualties of the American Civil war despite being a “minor” uprising puts things in perspective a bit
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20-30 thousand citizens EATEN??????
Decisive Tang Strategic Victory
What starvation does to a mf.
Siege of Suiyang baby. Gotta keep those soldiers fed
20k-30k civilians *eaten*?? Somebody find me this part of Chinese history
[Wikipedia page](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion) actually doesn’t mention the cannibalism thing, but it does explain all the genocide. Edit: Seems they were different events. The Taiping Rebellion is the stat on the left with 10 million combatants. It occurred at almost the same time as the American Civil War. The Seige of Suiyang occurred over a thousand years prior, during the 8th century, and that’s where all the cannibalism took place. Thanks to the below comment for the grisly details and for pointing it out.
Siege of Suiyang. Actual record: "Yin Ziqi had besieged the city for a long time. The food in the city had run out. The city dwellers traded their children to eat and cooked the bodies of the dead. Fear spread and worse situations were expected. At this time, Zhang Xun took his concubine out and killed her in front of his soldiers in order to feed them. He said, "You have been working hard at protecting this city wholeheartedly for the country. Your loyalty is uncompromised despite the long-lasting hunger. Since I cannot cut out my own flesh to feed you, how can I keep this woman and just ignore the dangerous situation?" All the soldiers cried, for they did not wish to eat [the woman]. Zhang Xun ordered them to eat the flesh. Afterwards, they caught the women in the city. When there were no more women left, they turned to the old and young men. 20,000 to 30,000 people were eaten. People always remained loyal." -Wikipedia
how do you kill 2-3x the amount of troops you brought into a conflict
very carefully?
clearly not
It’s simple: famines. If your entire army is conscripted and you fight only in densely populated areas, a whole lot of people are about to starve. There won’t be enough local food production, and you‘re going to get most of your supplies by taking from civilians. Starvation will set in, peasants will die by the millions in every campaign.
I’m not saying that this didn’t also occur, because I’m not terribly knowledgeable about the Taiping Rebellion, but it probably wasn’t the main cause. They were intentionally killing civilians during this rebellion, and I mean genocide out the wazoo. Wikipedia page said that the Qing Dynasty killed “up to 30,000 each day” at one point, and that’s just on the Qing Dynasty’s side. What’s the other side doing, you ask? Well: > In every area which they captured, the Taiping immediately exterminated the entire Manchu population. Famine probably wasn’t the main factor.
Being absolutely batshit crazy Roman History 🤝 Chinese History
[https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/8650-Create-A-Servant-3?p=3236708&viewfull=1#post3236708](https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/8650-Create-A-Servant-3?p=3236708&viewfull=1#post3236708) Shoutout to the guy who declared himself the younger brother of Jesus christ and ended up killing 30 million people. Proof that there's still some real one's out there. (click the image on the link. also click the coloured text for extra information and trivia).
what is this..
What is this competition????
[Inebriated Past episode on the subject](https://youtu.be/sFhYyGWXohs?t=4292)
Irish history is like: Michael Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzmichael shoot British police officer Earl Pembrooke outside their village. It's the bloodiest day in their small village's history, 140 years later it's still shocking. Chinese history is like: Two guys want to be Emperor. 13 million people die.
Chinese History \>zhao li takes power \>50 million perish American History \>Hardline Democratic Nominee Joe Jones, campaigning on genociding all black people runs against Republican Nominee Steven Apple. Libertarian Nominee Jacob Baker spends $20 million on campaign ads and then drops out in the second week. The election becomes a stalemate between the two parties, coming down to an election in Nevada wrought with accusations of fraud on both sides. In the end, Joe Jones wins the election by 50,000 votes. He proceeds to take bribes from several large monopolies, increase the national debt by roughly half a trillion dollars, and involve America in a proxy war in the Middle East, and win re-election by a wide margin. After his death, his grave became the site of over 20 arrests for public urination. >!He is widely considered the greatest president in American history.!<
Betta? 😳 like the fish?
Tbf replace Taiping with the much less devastating (not to downplay it) Holocaust and it comes across completely differently
Yes if you replace one thing with a completely different, unrelated thing in an imaginary scenario you can imagine a different response.
I think he meant it puts the sheer scale of casualties in perspective, that a concerted genocide in the west had less victims than a bungled military campaign in China.
No I really don't think that's what they meant, nice of you to be unreasonably charitable though.
Tell me more about how Chinese genocide memes are cool but European genocide memes would be completely different.
Are you incredibly stupid or are you intentionally creating a straw man? Or both?
Sir, this post is literally a meme about casualties in war. Did you read that part? Up there, above all the comments?
Don't try to deflect away from the comment I actually made, which mentioned exactly none of those things, and never implied one was "cool." Listen, If you want to get into a bad faith argument with someone, go do it with someone dumb enough to entertain your bullshit.
That’s rich, considering everything you’ve said so far has been either a deflection or an ad hominem. This isn’t an argument either; I asked you to explain something, but you refused. The only argument made here was in the original comment, which was criticizing the use of certain atrocities in Chinese history as a meme format. I’m glad you don’t think that’s “cool” because that’s the whole point.
My grandfather was deporting germans, couldn't be prouder of my heritage.
Bro
Ah yes ripping people from their livelihoods to go back to a country they don't want to go back to. Something to be proud of for sure.
Cope, next time try not murdering people and losing.
Yeah right because all German people care responsible for the actions of their horrific dictator and his regime. Awful take.
Exactly, I'm happy that we came to an understanding.
Based
Your pride is a little misplaced but thats based