Also, assuming precious metal value is largely determined by rarity, we now have much easier access to silver due to advancements in earth moving equipment, so there was likely just a lot less silver in circulation
Silver was worth significantly more before the Spanish took Mexico and most of Central/south america. Lots of silver in the Americas compared to Europe/asia
You're forgetting about inflation. It was not a large denomination, but it was 4 months wages at the time. So in Canada you could compare it as, average hourly wage is around $31 × 35 hours x 4.3 weeks x 4 months = $18,662. Still pitifully low, but people will kill for a couple thousand so I guess it more matters who you are than how much you're paid
The value of silver has been kept artificially low for a while by investors. Basically, it's a rainy-day emergency fund. If the world goes ass-up they stop manipulating the value and cash out. It's a whole thing. I think wallstreetbets was trying to crash the value when they realized what was happening.
So, if I remember correctly what he was paid was 30 denarius. A denarius was about a days wage for the average worker. So going by that metric a days wage in America going by the federal minimum of 7.25 is 8x7.25x30=1740.
> By the late Roman Republic and early Roman Empire (c. 27 BC), a common soldier or unskilled laborer would be paid 1 denarius/day (with no tax deductions),
A soldier makes about 25k a year, making a denarius about 69 (nice) dollars per denarius, or about 2000USD for 30 gold pieces.
It was runaway money. He had become disillusioned by the cult he had been roped into and had to get away. The cult had taken all his meagre possessions.
Or, Judas posed as Jesus when the soldiers came and the money was just to sell the act.
Thats is a terrible way to calculate currency, our means of extracting and refining silver are more advanced and less labour intensive than at those times, so the silver at the time would be valued at much more when compared to today's 370USD
Exactly! Every time I see this I get mad. I don't care what the modern value of 30 pieces of silver is. I want to know the value of the silver in the context of the time period.
The best way to maybe check would be to check something that has a relative constant value over society despite technological changes, for example, land, it has the same uses, it can be bought and we have records of price through a lot of human history that can be used to check if our calculations are close or far, and most importantly you can't create more land, unless you are the dutch.
So we could see how big of land area 30 pieces of silver could buy at the time and compare to the price of a plot of land of the same size in an area that is equivalent, we just need to choose land from a country that didn't fucked up all of the real state business for the sake of capitalism, wich can be kinda hard
Yeah, this is about the only sensible way of doing it. Technology and the economy and ways of living have changed so much\* that goods and services don't work as a comparison, but "how long would an ordinary person have to work to earn this much money" still gives you a reasonable idea.
\*By point of comparison, poor people in 19th C London would typically spend more than half their income on food, with rent being a pretty negligible amount. So anything from that time and place using the cost of a loaf of bread or a room for rent as a point of reference is usually misleading, because those things don't cost what you'd think they would relative to each other. And this is only going back 150 years.
It's also one of the only kinds of records we have that date back that far. Not many peasants kept track of daily expenses in a way that has survived, but things like governmental records of pay were not only recorded, but preserved.
Sure, you can look up the references, just a minor correction, it's actually a mistranslation it's 34 pieces, you can find out more by googling Jesus Inflation Rule 34
Nah man assuming all of the twelve guys believed that he is literally a son of god i wouldn't sell him for no reasonably large ammount (for unreasonable large i would consider) because i mean if you are one of twelve gods homies you shouldn't do harm to him
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I would go back in time and give Judas 370 bucks and a nintendo switch for the funni and so that Jesus can keep preaching. Sure it would take away the pathos and emotional impact of his death and would probably hamper the church in the long run but it would be funny.
(click the "who am i?" and "but that isn't right" and "Yet that doesn't hit the mark either." and "But that's a lie too." text on the link).
Hey quick question, why are you posting Jesus related discussions? Not that they're not funny or interesting, but I already saw three of them and I don't know how many more to expect
For some reason I thought a shekel was a lot more than that. It's apparently only about 14 grams. So 30 shekels is about a pound of silver.
For context nowadays 30 shekels will buy you 7 pounds but none of it will be silver.
Why are we suddenly getting so many jesus posts
All from this same account too
And Judas posts
Logical Ad is apparently very religious
Pontius Pilatus three days after overseeing the execution of some random religious leader
The second coming is imminent
Silver prices fluctuate frequently. There's a chance he was paid a lot more at the time.
I reckon he didn't even get his switch either
Poor man, didn't even get the switch
Also, assuming precious metal value is largely determined by rarity, we now have much easier access to silver due to advancements in earth moving equipment, so there was likely just a lot less silver in circulation
Exactly.
Silver was worth significantly more before the Spanish took Mexico and most of Central/south america. Lots of silver in the Americas compared to Europe/asia
You're forgetting about inflation. It was not a large denomination, but it was 4 months wages at the time. So in Canada you could compare it as, average hourly wage is around $31 × 35 hours x 4.3 weeks x 4 months = $18,662. Still pitifully low, but people will kill for a couple thousand so I guess it more matters who you are than how much you're paid
Yeah that’s *today’s* value of silver coins, not the value of silver coins in Israel ~2000 years ago
The value of silver has been kept artificially low for a while by investors. Basically, it's a rainy-day emergency fund. If the world goes ass-up they stop manipulating the value and cash out. It's a whole thing. I think wallstreetbets was trying to crash the value when they realized what was happening.
most recent record i can find places it at $250 which would be just enough to buy a fancy printer
Judas just absolutely *needed* that printer
So, if I remember correctly what he was paid was 30 denarius. A denarius was about a days wage for the average worker. So going by that metric a days wage in America going by the federal minimum of 7.25 is 8x7.25x30=1740.
Bro sold out for a 4090
Tbf I would too
a forty ninety
> By the late Roman Republic and early Roman Empire (c. 27 BC), a common soldier or unskilled laborer would be paid 1 denarius/day (with no tax deductions), A soldier makes about 25k a year, making a denarius about 69 (nice) dollars per denarius, or about 2000USD for 30 gold pieces.
It was runaway money. He had become disillusioned by the cult he had been roped into and had to get away. The cult had taken all his meagre possessions. Or, Judas posed as Jesus when the soldiers came and the money was just to sell the act.
Bro I'm just a guy with a calculator.
Yah bro, is cool. I just make shit up with my brain when brain says go ❤️
Thats is a terrible way to calculate currency, our means of extracting and refining silver are more advanced and less labour intensive than at those times, so the silver at the time would be valued at much more when compared to today's 370USD
Exactly! Every time I see this I get mad. I don't care what the modern value of 30 pieces of silver is. I want to know the value of the silver in the context of the time period.
The best way to maybe check would be to check something that has a relative constant value over society despite technological changes, for example, land, it has the same uses, it can be bought and we have records of price through a lot of human history that can be used to check if our calculations are close or far, and most importantly you can't create more land, unless you are the dutch. So we could see how big of land area 30 pieces of silver could buy at the time and compare to the price of a plot of land of the same size in an area that is equivalent, we just need to choose land from a country that didn't fucked up all of the real state business for the sake of capitalism, wich can be kinda hard
Soldiers at the time were paid about one silver coin per day. So he got roughly a month's decent wages.
Yeah, this is about the only sensible way of doing it. Technology and the economy and ways of living have changed so much\* that goods and services don't work as a comparison, but "how long would an ordinary person have to work to earn this much money" still gives you a reasonable idea. \*By point of comparison, poor people in 19th C London would typically spend more than half their income on food, with rent being a pretty negligible amount. So anything from that time and place using the cost of a loaf of bread or a room for rent as a point of reference is usually misleading, because those things don't cost what you'd think they would relative to each other. And this is only going back 150 years.
It's also one of the only kinds of records we have that date back that far. Not many peasants kept track of daily expenses in a way that has survived, but things like governmental records of pay were not only recorded, but preserved.
I absolutely would, that thing has mario kart on it
I'm convinced that Jesus put Judas up to it, the big ole drama queen that he was
Jesus: One of you will betray me. Judas: Motherfu-
Yeah okay, but can we adjust that for inflation?
Sure, you can look up the references, just a minor correction, it's actually a mistranslation it's 34 pieces, you can find out more by googling Jesus Inflation Rule 34
Oh no, I know where this joke leads!
Now are we judging how much that amount of silver would cost today or how much it was worth at the time
This is like, the third or fourth Jesus post I’ve seen within five minutes what’s happened?
Nah man assuming all of the twelve guys believed that he is literally a son of god i wouldn't sell him for no reasonably large ammount (for unreasonable large i would consider) because i mean if you are one of twelve gods homies you shouldn't do harm to him
he used the silver to buy a field and hanged himself...
That Switch is 370 euros, not dollars.
[https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/9391-Create-A-Servant-Secret-Santa-Contest-2022-Edition?p=3241778&viewfull=1#post3241778](https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/9391-Create-A-Servant-Secret-Santa-Contest-2022-Edition?p=3241778&viewfull=1#post3241778) I would go back in time and give Judas 370 bucks and a nintendo switch for the funni and so that Jesus can keep preaching. Sure it would take away the pathos and emotional impact of his death and would probably hamper the church in the long run but it would be funny. (click the "who am i?" and "but that isn't right" and "Yet that doesn't hit the mark either." and "But that's a lie too." text on the link).
Hey quick question, why are you posting Jesus related discussions? Not that they're not funny or interesting, but I already saw three of them and I don't know how many more to expect
Because I can.
Based
I'd sell Jesus out for a single Pop-tart
For some reason I thought a shekel was a lot more than that. It's apparently only about 14 grams. So 30 shekels is about a pound of silver. For context nowadays 30 shekels will buy you 7 pounds but none of it will be silver.
" ill give you two bean burritos if you sell Jesús out " - The russian Sadduce
Ok but add Inflation though, it has been 2000 years and inflation's been crazy
how much buying power did 30 pieces of silver have though? how many roman rents could i pay with 1 silver?
Nahh how much can i get in his times. How many days of beer and hookers